Ep 389 - The Franklin Scandal (feat. Nick Bryant)

Wow, wow, Wes. Well, this is a big one. Special edition. Special edition.

Normally, we're goofing around. I've never been more ashamed to let somebody into our studio. As soon as he came in, I was like a lady. I was like, oh, sorry, it's so messy here.

We're here with Nick Bryant. He's the author of the Franklin scandal. And. Confessions of a madam.

Yes, confessions of a DC madam. Fessions of a DC madam. The politics of sex lies in black. Yes.

Oh, pull that like a little. You speak a little more into the mic. So what you were just saying is how you got involved in the Franklin scandal at the very beginning. So let's jump right in.

I was telling you, I knew an editor at Rolling Stone, and he said, pitch me dark stories. And I said, just kind of throwing my hands up there. So I mean, what do you want? Do you want a story on Nazis?

Do you want a story on Satanists? I mean, what do you want? And he goes, Satanists. That sounds good.

So I started this whole odyssey, this very dark odyssey. I was talking to Satanists. And they struck me as, they didn't strike me as very ethical people. I'm actually quite on to us.

And I felt like I had to wash my hands after I hung out with them. But anyway, so, and then I was trolling the internet, looking for subject matter. I mean, when you're going to write something, you try to get as much information as you can, and then distill it. And then I came across a cult called The Finders.

That had been busted by the US Customs for trafficking children. They had six kids in Tallahassee, Arizona, and some concerned citizens called Tallahassee Police Department, and the Tallahassee Police Department arrested the two finders and put the six kids in protective custody. And the two finders were arraigned on multiple counts of child abuse, multiple counts. And they had $100,000 bond.

I think it might even been higher. And then two of the kids, according to the Tallahassee Police report that I got, two of the kids have been sexually abused. And then the US Customs got involved with it because there was child pornography. And they got a search warrant for the warehouse where the finders lived, and they found child pornography.

The warehouse is in DC, right? Yes, in Washington, DC. And they found all kinds of really unsavory things. And actually, the finders had been connected to a murder, too.

And all of a sudden, the CIA came in and quashed the entire case. And those two finders were just let out of jail. And those kids were repatriated with a cult. And I thought to myself, I kind of thought I knew how the world worked.

But after I read that document, it just blew my mind. I mean, what have I missed as far as my understanding of the world? How is this even possible that the CIA goes to bat for some very strange people that are treating children nefariously? I mean, how does that happen?

So that started my Odyssey. That was in 2002. And I've been on this Odyssey for the last 20 years. Wow.

So what did the editor say when you came back with that? He said, you know, let's just try to stick with Satan. What do you think? How many Satanists have you talked to?

And what's their life philosophy? Isn't it just pretty much selfishness? Well, I mean, there's different types of Satanists. That's the case.

I'm going to be a Satanist. I'm pretty selfish. You will not start. You're talking about.

There's different types of Satanists. And they run the gamut. Some of them, it was very strange. Some of the Satanists that I talked to were really, really stupid.

And some of them were really, really smart. I didn't find any Satanists in between. But I was going to go to one of the Black Masses. Here was my, it was a simple plan.

I'm going to go to this Black Mass. And I'm going to write an article about it. And one of the high priests that I had to read this book written by one of the Satanists, the founder of that particular Satan Act, and I read the book. And I said, well, you know, I read the book.

And he said, well, you got to do this. And then I just, if it's trying to leave me down this primrose path to embracing Bill Zebob, I realize that they were actually proselytizing to me. And it wasn't really like a religion that I felt attracted to. He was like, what's the point?

He had to be like a conqueror. Yeah. So that was one of the problems. Would you edit her like, come on?

The host was the potentiated ministration and semen of the high priestess and then the priest. On what? And it was like a flattery wafer. The Satanist, everything is anti.

Like it's an anti-host. And it's an anti-Black Mass, whatever. But well, that was the deal. If I read the book, I wouldn't have to take the anti-host.

And oh, really? That was like if you don't read the sentence. You read the book and you want to. But then I read the book.

And I said, I read the book. I said, I read the book. I know you still have to take the anti-host. Oh, it's like, I'm really up to it.

I like people who live up to their word. That's important to me. It was kind of apparent to me that the people in the dark are fraternity. So then Cher is true with the way that I did.

But you were at an ashram, right? When you were younger? I lived in ashram when I was 19 years old. How did you fall into that?

It's not necessarily Hindu. But it's like. This was a Hindu. This was a Swami.

It was from India. Swami. It was a genuine Indian guru. There it is.

When I was in my teens, I was really searching. And I tried all kinds of spiritual paths. And then I ended up living in this ashram with a genuine Indian guru. He was a Swami, which means he was celibate.

And so I got there and I was just thirsty for knowledge. And then I was telling you the Swami one day. And I could have swore I smelled cigarettes on his breath. And I went to one of the people on the ashram who I later called the pod people.

I said, you know, I could have sworn I smelled cigarettes on Swami's breath. And he goes, you have to deal with that is. He has to have one vice that keeps him tethered to this plan of reality. So he can teach us.

Now, needless to say, that didn't make a lot of sense to me. And then I found that out that he was having sex with all these girls on the ashram. And then I found out he was investing money for some of his more affluent initiatives. And I was thinking to myself, that guy must be really spiritually developed.

If he's got to do all that, just to stay on this plan of reality. I was a lot of it. Yeah. That was a bit of Swami.

No. And I was finding that intriguing when people end up on the same thing, like a cool place, but just a place you would go rather than a Christian youth thing. And then I was thinking to be like, I'm feeling certain every single one of those is that. What do you think?

I don't know if I've heard of one story. Don't be smurching all the mess. I've never heard of one guru that wasn't definitely banging a bunch of the people. Yes.

That's what I concluded. Because I looked into a lot of different gurus after that and they all have lower shock red problems. Really? Every guru has lower shock.

You know, they're old, ugly Indian men. And then they come here. They're talking about the best way to get involved. And then they come here and they have all these beautiful young American women who are spiritually scarred throwing themselves in.

And then it's too much information. Yeah. I found a book, I found a book, or I could use books for one time. They write really good books though.

Like I read, this is why I preach. It was like one of the best little books on spirituality I've ever read. I'm like, I got to Google this guy. I'm like, I got to googles guy.

I'm like, I'm on a fire. Damn it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I read it.

Ramen's books. And I was really fascinated by them. And so I mean, that's why I ended up at that. So what do you want to get into first here?

Because I read the beginning of the Frank, I read about half of the Franklin's scale. Like I said, I was falling asleep. I listened to, I listened to audio books at night. So I was listening to the Franklin's scale at night.

And it was fucking me up. Like every night I was like, Jesus Christ. And then I was like, I never went to sleep. I would just start googling things.

Like the finders immediately I started googling. And then I started going to like, pizza gate because it was in DC. And they were attracting the sit like, and I was like, it's pizza gate. You know, it's just every time I started reading is pizza gate real?

I have no idea. I'm fantastic. With my philosophic training, I said philosophy in college. I try to approach everything agnostically.

I really try not to make judgments on something. Even though it may seem like a tautological truth, I've tried to withhold judgment. And with pizza gate, I'm agnostic. But the finders, I was listening to you talk about it.

It was the same thing where it's like once you explain, like six children were found with two dudes in suits, they went like suits. Yeah. Children are all malnourished enough so that just a regular person called the cops when they saw them. The concerned said it's true.

And then they got nothing. It was like, yo, this is very weird. And then there's no way they were like, no, we're just making sure they're good. We just like addressing us and we haven't had the more than they were yet.

And the guys wouldn't talk right when they were getting into the card ready. The card actually went unconscious when the police started to grill him. He went to a state kind of trance. But yeah, he just went conscious.

Yeah. It's in the US. That's my wife. She's talking to you.

You might have to hook your wife up with the finders. I don't know if I'd advise them, but you never know. That is crazy because you do that. There's a lot of people who are delighted in being like, that's all bunch of bullets.

They don't want to hear any of it whatsoever. But that's like how much of it is like, because you say like some of it's conjecture, some of it is like, like how much of the stuff you've done is like ends in kind of like some nebulous weird stuff or like what's like factual, anyone could take this as a standard. I mean, the Franklin scandal, I was very, very cautious with it and very, very careful. I wanted to nail everything because I knew what I was the book that I was writing was so antithetical to people's mundane reality that it was going to be met with very, very a lot of skepticism.

So but what happened with me with the Franklin scandal is I was able to score like there were three grand juries that covered it up. There were two grand juries in Nebraska and one grand jury in Washington, BC. Now, I don't know if you're viewers are familiar with the grand jury, but grand juries are infamous for covering things up. Actually, like there was a grand jury in Florida looking into Epstein that said that Epstein hadn't molested a single child.

What happens in a grand jury is a special prosecutor is chosen and then grand jurors are just regular people that have come in to do jury duty and they've been funneled to a grand jury and it's not adversarial. The special prosecutor picks the evidence that is shown to the grand jurors and calls the witnesses. So special prosecutors have a tremendous amount of power over grand jurors and actually there was a New York judge that had a famous grip that grand jurors have so much power or special prosecutors have so much power over grand jurors that they can get them to indict a ham sandwich. So with the Franklin scandal.

I've been thinking a few of those. With the Franklin scandal that goes to grand juries and Nebraska said that not a single child had been abused. Yeah, I read the article he sent as far as like, and then this is gross detail. But one of the reasons they were able to discount the children who said they were molested by Epstein was one of them said he used a purple vibrator and another one said he used a white vibrator.

So they were like, well, these two are lying. What? Yeah, I mean, they only called one of the victims. Okay, one of the underage victims.

And it was obvious that was a cover up job. Yeah. And it was really a shame that most Americans, because when you think of a grand jury, you think the gods of jurisprudence have spoken. But that's not the case at all.

It's just a special prosecutor that's been chosen to show grand jurors what he thinks is compelling evidence. And that's where a lot of cover up statements. I know where. And then everything is sealed in a grand jury.

And what happened with me is I was able to get everything. I was able to get the sealed testimony and I was able to get the sealed exhibits from one of the corrupt grand juries in Nebraska, which at that point I was able to write the book. And like I had a list of 60 victims. So it was up to me to find the victims.

And that was tough because a lot of those kids, and you see with Epstein too, you see with a lot of telephone networks, a lot of the kids come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds and dysfunctional families. And that makes them ripe for predators. In this case with the Franklin scandal, Orange King and also Craig Spence and with Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein and all the predators that were around him. So finding them was very, very difficult because a lot of them I just dropped off the planet because these kids were from really dysfunctional backgrounds, poor backgrounds, and they were given money and repeatedly molested.

And then once they lost their youth and marketability, they were expunged by the network and they went on to become criminals to support. They were all drug addicts. Most of them were drug addicts. So they became criminals to spend and they ended up in prison.

So it was very difficult to find a lot of them. A lot of them never really use their social security numbers. So and I found them in projects. I found one in a homeless shelter.

I found one in a prison. I mean, they were difficult to find stuff. Are they like excited to talk to you or are they just kind of like, who are you? Or like, how do you get to like have them actually talk to you other stuff?

Well, you've got to be patient and you've got to be compassionate. I mean, I was very compassionate to all the victims that I met because of what they've been through. And it's a matter of trust. I mean, you've got to build up trust with them.

Sometimes the trust comes immediately and sometimes the trust it takes a while to build up the trust. But once you build trust with them, they won't tell you about the worst horrors of their life. So let's let's get a what let's what happened with the Franklin's. Yeah.

So with the Franklin's scandal, it was a it was a large interstate pedophile network that was that flew kids from coast to coast. What a lot of that also got flight receipts, like to one of flight receipts, a lot of the planes that they rented or chartered went to Washington, DC. And in Washington, DC, there was a lobbyist far road named Craig Spence. And he his house, he was a CI asset.

And his house was wired for audio-visual blackmail. I get into his reality pretty heavily in conventions of a DC matter. And I also get into it in the Franklin scandal, but a little more in confessions of a DC matter. So these pedophile parties would happen at Craig Spence's mansion in the Colorado section of Washington, DC.

And it would be like a pretty much a straight political party initially, that would there would be Washington, DC, Littorati and Littorati and power brokers and politicians. They would attend these parties. But then like maybe a ten o'clock or something, someone would fire up a joint or something sexually inappropriate would happen. And these people have been applied with alcohol.

So if someone wanted to stick around for the after, then they would be compromised. So see like a level of grease, a person could handle. Yes, they would get me. Boss out of line.

I'd be hammered doing, yeah, they'd get me. You don't want to say that. I'm truthy. I only deal in truth.

So it didn't go all the way back to the start of the Franklin scandal stuff. It went back to Vietnam, supposedly. Well, that was a good word. King in the two primary pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spence, during Vietnam, King was in Thailand with the security clearance, top security claims.

And Craig Spence was in Vietnam as a reporter for ABC. So they were both in Thailand at the same time. I'm surmising that, and this is just my surmise, I'm surmising that both of them were molesting kids in Southeast Asia. And then ultimately the dark corner of intelligence that does this type of stuff got to hold them and said, you know, you can either do time or you can work for us.

Because when both came back to the United States of America, I mean, they were both from bringing class families and all of a sudden their careers just went exponentially. Hi, so I'm thinking that that was probably the deal that they made while they were in Southeast Asia. Yeah, and it's the Franklin scandal because Larry King was in Omaha. Well, he was the general manager of the Franklin Credit Union.

And he was like his personal ATM. When it's kind of interesting, the feds, you're supposed to be audited every year if you're running credit union, but he hadn't been audited in four years. So shortly after George Herbert Walker Bush won the presidency, the Franklin Credit Union was rated by IRS and FBI. And there was $40 million missing.

So but basically that credit union was a cash machine for Lawrence King, but it was also a front for this interstate pedophile network that they ran together. And he was definitely pimping. Absolutely. He and Craig Spence were pimping.

ABC reporter? Yes. Craig Spence was that guy who went and was watching NBC. Oh, shit.

So he was the one who was having to have the parties. Oh, that was the guy who's hosting. I mean, the parties were all over, but Spence's the intelligence, like I said, the documentary intelligence that does this type of stuff had installed the cameras, the hidden cameras. And Epstein, now this is kind of interesting.

Maria Farmer, who worked for Epstein, said that Epstein showed her the secret room where men as in plural were monitoring all these monitors and that all the bedrooms and all the bathrooms had hidden cameras. So that set up was very much like the setup in Craig Spence's house, where both places were worried for audio. Yeah. So Craig Spence was the Epstein of this particular story.

Yes. Yeah. I got you the party boy. He was the party boy.

He was the cool guy. He was the cool guy. He was the cool guy. Yeah.

He was the great expense was the Prince of Darkness. Yeah. Was he in a Satanism too? I do not know.

I mean, I guess kind of, yeah. I do not know, but nothing's got a question. That guy was a pure psychopath. So nothing that he would do would surprise me as a pedophile psychopath, a drug addict.

Jesus. He was, I mean, the cream of the crop in Washington DC politics would go to his parties. And isn't that strange? Yeah.

Isn't that kind of weird? The same thing with a, who was it? When Gates had to go to Epstein for like funding or whatever, it's always strange like, well, you know, the thing about Gates and Epstein is there's an article from the Evening Standard, the cover story, there's so many problems with the Epstein cover story, but there's an article from the Evening Standard from the UK that says that Spence or Epstein and Gates were doing business in the 90s, that their relationship went back to the 90s. So if that's true, everything that we've been sold about Gates and Epstein is all bullshit, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

Because with Epstein, the media has just been into digging up salacious narratives. They have been screaming the Epstein article that I wrote, which no major magazine would touch, you know, call for justice. All these kids were molested. We need justice.

And, but that doesn't seem to be a priority. And the Franklin network was much bigger than Spence's network. The Franklin network, I think was, was around for about 12 years and Epstein's network was around for about 25 years. But the Franklin network was bigger.

And I thought it was a kind of gentler petafile network initially, but then I came to believe that because the Franklin network, a lot of those kids were pandered to statistic petafiles. And there was a lot of pornography made, child pornography. And I think the same thing was happening with Epstein. I was saying that you thought the Epstein one was quote up with gentler.

Yes. But now that I've gotten to know the Epstein network pretty well, Epstein was pandering girls under the age of 10 to eight year olds that I'm aware of. And I'm sure that there were more. And he was also pandering these girls to really statistic petafiles or some of the clients were very statistic.

Yeah, because it didn't his first case get sealed. Was that sealed at Grand Jury as well? Yeah, that was one in Florida. Yeah, that was one Epstein was like, he got in trouble.

Yeah, I could be wrong. But it was like, it was going to be tried like a regular trial. And that's Rich, Rich, what's the guy's name? He came in and said, no, let's make it a grand jury.

So it was sealed. Well, that was very Christian or the same. What happened there was the 14 year old girl went to the Palm Beach Police Department with her parents and she said that she'd been molested by Defry Epstein. And the Palm Beach, she described Epstein, she described his house, she described his anatomy, and the Palm Beach Police Department started a year long investigation into Epstein at that point.

And what happened after that year investigation is that they felt like he could well, they had statements from five victims and then they had 12 corroborating statements. So they were immediately going to arraign him on five pounds of child abuse. But then that case got taken away by Barry Christian in the state of Florida. And then there was a grand jury, which is very strange because usually grand juries in Florida are reserved for capital cases.

So and then that grand jury found that Jefferson had molested a single child. And only one of them. And here's the thing with that. The Palm Beach Police Department had the statements of five underage victims, but they were aware of 17 more.

So they were 20, the Palm Beach Police Department was aware of 23 underage victims. And that prosecutor only called one. So it's very, and it's very obvious to me that that was a cover up. Jeez.

And then the matter was sealed. But then he had a sex offense under his belt after that or something? Well, here's what happened. When that grand jury came back and said that Jeffrey Epstein hadn't molested a single child, Michael Ryder, who was one of the heroes in this story, he was the chief of Palm Beach Police Department, he got very voice-ifers.

He raised can. He said, and he went to the feds. And they said, this is obvious malfeasance by this grand jury. And you've got to do something about it.

So the feds were going to get into it. They were going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein while they were talking that there was going to be a grand jury. And then all of a sudden the grand jury was adjourned. And there was this really unctuous deal made.

And I've got the emails between the assistant US attorney and one of Epstein's attorneys, Jay Leffowitz, and Emery Villafon was the assistant US attorney. And they're talking about how they can minimize Epstein's sentence. And then one of the emails says, well, the deal that they made was so corrupt that they had to go to a special magistrate to sign off on it. And basically what that deal did is it exonerated everyone.

It exonerated the procures, it exonerated the perpetrators. Jeffrey Epstein had to plead guilty to a single count of child abuse. He was sentenced to 18 months in a county jail. He did 13.

And he had his little wing of the jail decked out like the Taj Mahal. And he didn't he could go out during the day. So he was molesting girls during the day while he was supposedly doing. He was like nights there.

He was hitting on the end. It's been like what? Also, and this is this was 2008. He got arrested.

I mean, he did serve time technically in 2008 for what like 13 of the 18 months. Yeah, he did 13. But here's the deal with that. He's hanging out with all these people.

But here's the deal with that. Yeah, yeah. The B.J. was hanging out with him after that.

Still chilling. Yeah, the fans had a list of 32 Epstein-Pagams, 32. And they did nothing with with with any of that. And according to Alexander Casta, who is the US Attorney in the Southern District of Florida, he was told to back away from Epstein because Epstein was quote unquote intelligence.

So and to the kind of power that is required to get a US Attorney to stand down can be done by two people, can be done by the Attorney General and can be done by the President. So that's how high the strings were pulled. The same with Franklin. The strings were pulled at the very apex of power.

Jesus, man. That's terrifying. That's fucking terrifying. It doesn't it doesn't speak well about our society.

Yeah, I would say you want good morning America. Yeah. But it's I don't know. Isn't it just it's clearly it's just clearly they're just clearly intelligence?

Like there's no real debate here anymore, right? Well, it's kind of interesting how else could this be done? New York Magazine conscripted six quote unquote experts on Epstein. And I was one of them.

And I kept my teeth. We have seen in 2012 and I acquired his black book in 2012 and I tried to sell an article about his black book and nobody in the mainstream media wanted to touch it finally go after was they touch it and we put his black book up on the internet long with a bunch of his with all the names and stuff. The black book, the names of I mean, the names went to model limits. Yeah.

And the black book, he had like 22 contact numbers for Clinton and 17 contact numbers for. Why would they keep a book? I don't understand why they would keep a record of that. I would say you don't get killed in prison.

Yeah. People like that are very arrogant and they think that they can get away with that. Yeah. I mean, they've had Jeffrey Epstein been trafficking children probably since 1995 and and actually he was the first time he was reported was 1996 to the FBI and nothing happened.

So he thought that he could do anything you want. Yeah. And the guy who got the black book who took it out of there who took it out of Epstein's possession didn't I think he got 18 months in jail. He got the same crime punishment as Epstein did for moving the book except he had to go to a real prison, a federal prison.

A federal prison. It's a guy who stole the black book. And I'll let him tell it. Alfred Rodriguez per one.

He was Epstein's house manager and per one the book and it ultimately and then he tried to sell it to a lawyer that was launching civil civil said Epstein because he was representing these underage victims. It's pretty interesting. So Alfred Rodriguez approached the lawyer the lawyer and went to the FBI the FBI did a sting and got the black book and then that's kind of how I got the black book. Can't really give the source but but Alfred Rodriguez circled the names of people that he felt were part of Epstein's network and there's a lot of names that are circled and it's kind of interesting.

Virginia Gefri who was one of Epstein's victims has named a number of the same people in her. She was some of those people. She named a who Barack Allen Dershowitz and both of them are circled. Prince Henry, right?

Prince Andrew. He's got multiple contacts but I don't think his name was circled. Let me see a couple of former mayor or governors of New Mexico, Bruce King and Bill Richardson were circled and the thing about Richardson he was also Clinton's energies are. So and then a number of big time fans financiers were circled too.

So it was like with the Franklin scandal it was the cream of the crime of our society. Jesus. Unfortunately the upper crust is a bunch of dough held together by crumbs. A bunch of crumbs held together by the way.

So and so and then there's a link of being I guess though the links have been made between the CIA or like does anybody know what they do besides like doing like sex traps like what else is a why is it why are they doing that I mean obviously to like trap people up like power yeah it's all about power yeah and the CIA started with a mandate when it was originally when Harry Truman originally started the CIA it was it was a precarious time Joseph Stalin had the hydrogen bomb and Joseph Stalin was someone who had zero appreciation of humanity. So but what happened there was the CIA started its own funding mechanisms and then also the honey traps because they felt it was too important that fighting communism was too important to be left with politicians. So that's where this really dark part of the CIA comes in is the various types of schemes to make money and then also the honey traps. Yeah did you talk about William Colby at all?

And the Franklin scandal I do talk about William Colby. He was the director I think. He was the former director of the CIA and actually there was in the church hearing there was there was a senator named Frank Church in 1977 who wanted to blow the lid open on a lot of the CIA's nefarious activities and and he did a lot and there were two William Colby was called and the calms was called Richard Helms Richard Helms was the then director of the CIA and Colby had been the former director of the CIA and Colby really showed people how nefarious the CIA was some of the stuff that it was doing but Helms kept his mouth shut. And what's interesting with Colby is he was actually conscripted the Franklin committee what happened when that when Lawrence King was busted in Besling 40 million dollars and wasn't charged with single count of views.

There was a Franklin committee that was part of it was the Nebraska Senate was a subcommittee in Nebraska Senate and they had a very good investigator. His name was Gary Caratory and a lot of the evidence that I have comes from Gary Caratory like the list of the 60 victims that I had that came from Gary Caratory. The flight receipts that I got that came from Gary Caratory. All this was put into a grand jury and sealed but a lot of the he was an amazing investigator and his plane what happened he was the FBI was hunting for him.

I mean here was the hunter became the prey because he was finding victims and he was finding all kinds of stuff that was that was corroborating these kids and these kids were coming forward and being videotaped. And if the dominoes had started to fall in Nebraska they would have fallen all the way to Washington D.C. So it had to be covered up at all costs and Gary Caratory realized that the FBI was trying to put him away for scripting what these kids were saying. I mean it was none of the kids said that but the FBI was I mean what the FBI did in Nebraska was very very nefarious threatening perpetrators threatening victims.

So what Caratory realized that he needed blackmail pictures that that was going to be absolute proof what was going on and he got a hold of a black male photographer named Rusty Nelson and they met in Chicago and I've got five corroborations on this that Rusty gave him pictures in Chicago and Gary was flying back to Nebraska and his plane blew up in mid-air. And then that was pretty much and then the grand jury came out shortly thereafter and said there was no child abuse and there's that Chinese proper kill one man silence a thousand. Well with this case it was kill one man and his son and silence ten thousand because nobody was willing to come forward after that especially after the state in the feds said that there was no child abuse. But the Franklin subcommittee hired William Colby to look into the death of Gary Caratory and he didn't say that Gary Caratory had been assassinated publicly when he didn't tell people that were affiliated with the committee that Gary Caratory had definitely been assassinated.

Damn. So and there were a lot of other suspicious deaths in the Franklin scandal. I mean every chapter there's a strange death or two. Yeah.

Suicide suicides. Jesus Christ man. That's nuts. And then Rusty Guy that's the guy you were driving with the couple over with.

Yes I was I myself was looking for blackmail pictures and which I don't know if that was very prudent but but I was and Rusty said that he had some now Rusty is a guy that he takes blackmail pictures of adults and children engaged in. How does that try to get into that? I guess how do you get into that? Why do I rise it's to its own level I guess.

So I I relationship would be too strong but I forged kind of an alliance with Rusty because he was having a lot of problems with legal problems and I said that I would help pay for his legal bills. All he had to do is provide me with blackmail pictures what you said he had. So we took me on a wild goose chase to get blackmail pictures and we didn't get any and then I was driving him home on this desolate highway and we got pulled over and I start the Franklin scandal out with this is the cops. You know I show the cops my ID and he doesn't even look.

I says get out the cops. And then he deposits me in his car and then and then he runs me through and I'm clean and then he runs now Rusty Nelson through and then there's a lot of numbers after him and I'm sure that they weren't nice numbers so they take Rusty out and then they rip apart the car that I rented. All they found was my ginseng route so that was that was about it. But Rusty was gave me a lot of insight I would never use Rusty as a sole source but Rusty gave me a lot of insight because I you know I went to ask him you know how does how does this work.

You said it's like you're on a yacht and it's a beautiful day and you can have anything you want on the shot. But if you decide to get off the yacht the people in the yacht are going to make sure that you ground. So once you are compromised there's zero motivation to come forward and it's very interesting. I wrote about in confessions of a DC man and my pick up some politicians who had been obviously compromised.

One was Larry Craig and Larry Craig was a very conservative representative and then Senator he was in Washington DC for 25 years and he had the worst record of voting against gay rights I believe in the Senate if not the worst certainly up there but he was getting gay S where it's from Henry Vincent who ran an S where it's sort of Henry was a guy who I wrote the book with confessions of a DC man. So Craig was getting S where it's from Henry and then he was getting S where it's from elsewhere because Kirby Dick's film Outrage talks about Craig getting S where it's elsewhere and then Craig was busted in an airport bathroom in Minneapolis trying to pick up a vice guy a vice squad cop. So here's a US Senator trying to pick up someone in a bathroom. I mean a US so how hard would it be to compromise that guy?

I mean a kid doing an after school project with a smartphone could compromise Larry Craig. So he was in an airport? He was in an airport. He was like you know what?

He was kind of interesting. He was the old foot tap in the bathroom. Yeah it was a foot tap because I'm from Indianapolis and I've been to that airport at numerous times and I was going to the bathroom once and one of the stalls and somebody next to me was slapping his foot on the ground. And I was singing to myself poor guy.

He's got to have like a neurological disorder or something. So you wanted to play. Yeah he saw your shoes. Now an interesting guy is a fair game.

And this is kind of interesting Dennis Haster had a he was the Speaker of the House for seven years from I believe 1999 to 2006 and he was a strong arm specialist but he had he was a pedophile he'd been molesting kids going back for years and there was a whistleblower named Sibel Edmonds who talked about Haster because the FBI knew about Haster going to a house of ill repute. Well he was Speaker of the House in Chicago. So so the FBI and I knew that Haster was a pedophile or chances are they knew that he was a pedophile and for some inexplicable reason they took him down. I don't know why the feds took him down and he had to do some time.

The only thing that I can think of is he was getting too greedy and he was told to back off because he had a lobbying business that just exploded exponentially especially with Turkey. So we don't really know the exact mechanisms of what he did to be taken down but it was very strange that whole thing. And then everything was sealed and there was gag orders. So I was because I was really looking very hard at the Haster but I just couldn't get any information at that point.

Yeah I mean I can see the thing you're saying about the guys getting on to like the special cruise if you're like a rising star politically you're probably feeling pretty good you're like on the man I'm making money now you know all this stuff and someone's like hey come hang with the big boys. You smokey joint with him you're like cool yeah like a girl comes out and like yeah by the way she was wow. Yeah you get done. Yeah she was 16.

Yeah it's like we own you now. Damn. Yeah I mean it's that easy. And when you think about like our politicians they've got a potent psychological alchemy of power lust and arrogance and nothing makes people stupid like arrogance and lust.

I mean really smart people do unbelievably stupid people hate to make it because of arrogance and lust. Yeah it's not. And if you don't play ball they can probably just block you out of it all together anyway. If you're like no that stuff's not for me.

Yeah I think you're going to lose fucking. But I've been in this realm for 20 years now and what Americans don't understand is that many of our politicians are compromised. And take Epstein for instance. With Epstein he was blackmailing some of the most powerful men in the world.

He had hidden cameras when the Palm Beach Police Department searched his home in Palm Beach yet they found hidden cameras. He had hidden cameras in his New York residents that Maria Farmer talked about where multiple men were looking at the monitors and then his island was also where for audacious black now. So he was so he was blackmailing people and what people understand is a guy like Jeffrey Epstein a guy who is he's from a blue collar family in Coney Island. He's a college dropout.

A guy like that cannot blackmail some of the most powerful men in the world because they have access a lot of them have access to thugs and organized crime. Like Les Wechner is heavily enmeshed and organized crime. He was the billionaire. He owned Victoria's Secret.

He was the billionaire that gave Jeffrey Epstein millions. And if Epstein was in fact. He owned Victoria's Secret and he still had to go to the pedophile parties. It's like bro you have it.

I mean you're still just a mannequin blown out from the mall. He's a mannequin. He's a old frightening scary looking dude. If I was a young woman and he showed up I mean I'd split.

But anyway so there's no way that Epstein could have been blackmailing people by himself. There was obviously a large organization behind him that said to these people that were blackmailed. And Spence had the same thing with the Franklin scandal. If you come after this guy there's going to be huge retribution.

And that's what kept I believe Jeffrey Epstein. How many types of those organizations do they have running? Because I mean they caught Epstein. But how many of those do you think?

That's to be a pretty consistent. Yes I think that networks like that are ubiquitous in the United States of America. Because of the writing that I've done last 20 years a lot of people have talked to me about these networks. And they want me to investigate them and I'm only one guy.

So I tell them I don't know if I can really help because you can tell when you see major judicial malfeasance. That can be an indication that there's a network there. So yeah when I was talking earlier like in Central Pennsylvania there was the Penn State. Yes.

There was I think a district attorney that was looking into the case years before and he vanished. Yes he was. Yeah. He was found he vanished as car was found by I think a late river at the river.

Yeah. And I did talk to a prosecutor under him and she believed that Jerry Sandusky was part of a pedophile network. She really believed that and she believed that that prosecutor had also been murdered. It sounded like it sounded like it because it was from the second mile foundation which was a lot like Boys Town.

Yes. I was a troubled kid. Yeah. Jerry Sandusky was doing this but then it is a weird story.

I was at the day the first game Joe Paterna didn't coach so it was the week after that story broke. You went to that game? I went to that game I was pretty excited about but we were supposed to go I went to a second mile dinner. What?

A dude that was high up at Merrill Lynch I think or one of those Goldman Sachs. Yeah. We went to his house he was a Penn State alumni. I don't want to be smurgeon because he might not have been a pedophile.

Yeah. But it was supposed to be a second mile dinner with like Joe Paterna Sandusky like all these guys. What? And then I was walking around as a giant mansion it's just a picture of him with every single president.

All these things. No, no, it's just like you can see the political power these dudes have. They have that power. And then the one guy who's friend with all them is doing exactly what they were doing in the Franklin scandal which is getting kids out of a orphanage type situation and banging.

He was a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit of work.

Predators. Predators not on a parade. A district attorney just vanished. Was it a district attorney?

Yeah. I think it was named. Yes. I thought his laptop and the hard drive was taken out of it.

I mean dude. Like it was like yeah. That was uh there's indications that that was a network. And I pursued that for quite some time but and I was I got pretty close to somebody who could help corroborate it but I just I couldn't nail it.

And that's a thing. Investigations like this like the Franklin scandal it took seven years to investigate that. And I've been investigating Epstein since 2004. I'm ready to write a really good book on Epstein.

I'm finishing up one book and I'd like to write because so many of them. Get that quiet. So it's out. So many of the books on Epstein have been Epstein light like filthy rich on Netflix.

That looks over here. That's why I turned it off. I was really I didn't want to come close. Really?

They get the same thing with Sandusky where they're like yeah it was just one guy we got him. It's like no. Yeah. I never thought about the grand jury thing before that is kind of an indicator.

You're like well let's do like a special trial for this guy. Yeah. I don't even know what those things were to be honest. I thought I was like oh you're in trouble.

Yeah. Americans have no idea about grand juries and how easy they are to to corrupt. So it's unfortunate that some of the Americans are unaware of so many things about their judiciary. It's also like the same reason people weren't taking your articles.

It's like people don't want it like they don't really know. If I told this to my dad he'd be like what? Yeah. I don't want to even think about this.

Yeah. Or like there's creeps out there. Yeah. But my there's only one member of my family that reads anything I write.

So yes. Even a one. I mean but if you want to be an ostrich and stick your head in the sand. I mean the evil is only going to get larger and larger and larger.

I mean and that's the problem. As I said earlier a huge problem has been the media. The media was into digging up salacious dirt and that was that was it. No one called for any kind of justice.

The New York Times did an article that named Six Percures aka Pimps and the only one that's been indicted is Maxwell. So there and if this was if Epstein was an actual trial if there was jurisprudence that was that wasn't corrupted. Those those procureism we know more than six but you could start with those six. Those six procureers would be indicted on multiple accounts of child trafficking.

A count of child trafficking goes anywhere from 15 years to life. So you could rack up they could all be looking at a thousand years or whatever and then you get them to flip on the perps. I mean that's how the mafia was taken down. You get the lower people on the lower echelon to flip on the higher echelon and reduce their sentences.

The only Maxwell is and and the plain Maxwell trial was such a travesty of justice. The girls are women now who really knew a lot about the network and who were molested by some very powerful people none of them were called. It was just the only the only victims that were called I think was only four were molested by just Epstein and and Maxwell been sentenced to anything. No she has not been sentenced and there's that judicial problem of one of the jurors saying that he'd been molested and Maxwell I don't know how that's waiting right now.

The whole thing everything about Epstein there's nothing rational about it nothing makes sense. Laws of the land have just been throwing the toilet and how did you feel when they well when he committed suicide allegedly did you know that was coming there because I think it seemed like everyone was like they're gonna kill him and then one day the cameras didn't work in the guards took a break well the guards took a break the cameras didn't work I am I mean it's probably what it's cameras it's certainly very suspicious yeah I don't think there's ever been more of a clear somebody killed him in case yeah I mean there was a guy in prison that the whole world was saying they're gonna kill him and then one day I mean they knew the guards knew this guy's a risk and then one day again the cameras didn't work in the guards were taking a walk yeah I mean there's there's a lot of anomalies the uh his summit was taken out of the cell I didn't even know we had a summit yeah I got taken out of the cell and then he yeah that must have been crazy like what are you in here for? Is somebody to have been a multiple murder at one point a former police officer and they took him out and um what's kind of interesting William Barr our illustrious attorney general who helped now this is kind of interesting this is where Franklin and Epstein connect William Barr helped was Bush One's Attorney General after Richard Thorneberg ran for the Senate and Barr helped cover up Franklin the Franklin's Scale and then Barr played an integral role in covering up the Epstein's scandal there and Barr said when Epstein um killed himself heads are gonna roll and uh no heads rolled and actually the warden um of that particular the Metropolitan Correctional Facility in New York she was given a cushy job in New Jersey that she was what yeah I mean so Thorneberg by the way wasn't he Harrisburg's governor? Thorneberg was fascinating.

Hey they're like second mile really what I said what about Ed Vandal? Um he has to come up but Thorneberg definitely helped cover up the Franklin Scammering up that yeah see and then Barr what and then Barr yeah oh god Thorneberg is uh I believe the Thorneberg is a pretty dirty politician yeah they oh no what is the guy who's house I was at I was probably nothing too close now I'm part of the part of the thing now yeah the guy was the reason I was there was the guy I was with was he worked with Thorneberg what and we were at a second mile dude see this is what happens when I read the what I listen to this you start getting started like oh no yeah you guys it's unsettling it's weird though because when you do boil it down to like you think about like little kids it's just heartbreaking but it's been politicized the issue of sex trafficking I would say is kind of pursued more by people who lean to the right politically for some reason well actually there's uh the feminist left and the religious right are equally against sex trafficking yeah they're strange for lack of better word bedfellows but um I've been very disappointed by the anti-traffiting community because um they have not been vociferous at all about what's happened with Epstein we know who a lot of the perps are we know who a lot of the procures are there should be a lot of people in prison right now yeah but um and it's really heartbreaking for me I've spoken the national center on sexual exploitation as like an anti-traffiting son and I've spoken there at the last couple of years and I've seen them do very little to um to get this issue out and a lot of most of the anti-traffing organizations um unfortunately have not been vociferous about this issue at all yes it's it's it's heartbreaking to me because when the government doesn't work and when the media doesn't work you know you've got a lot of anti-traffing organizations they should band together I mean either you're if you're against child trafficking you're categorically against child trafficking and and here is an obvious case of child trafficking being covered up and none of these organizations are getting you know making any noise about it which which is very difficult for me because I know some of the people involved in these organizations and I just expected more from them it was uh troubling yeah what is it so with the media in general how do you how do you think like how much of the stuff do you think they know and cover up or how much this stuff does not come across they're like desk or like have they had any like specific roles in like kind of it's hard to say um I will say this that I do believe that a lot of people in the media are compromised yeah and I think people very high in the media um and I don't know if this is 20 more but uh but it would be close six corporations own 90 percent of the media that's imbibed by Americans and I got handed to is the CIA or intelligence or whatever you want to call it I mean they don't compromise people at the bottom I mean they go right up to the top when they want to compromise somebody so I don't know exactly uh I've got some suspicions about who's compromised and who's not um but I don't know exactly but I will say this that um the way that the media reacted to this with uh just you know as I said earlier just kicking out salacious there it just was uh it was it was an embarrassment for me as a journalist to see them the way that the media handled this yeah it seems like all they ever do is post a picture of Trump with Maxwell yeah yeah they never look into anybody who's guilty of or not guilty but who's been named yeah Virginia's were free named a bunch of them and her and her deposition and her deposition was unsealed and a number of the people that she named were circled by Alfredo Rodriguez in the Black Book so there you've got double corroboration and um but none of them have been arrested I don't even know if any of them have been questioned I mean it's um Prince Andrew got hit he got like but it's weird it's like it seemed like he settled with people didn't he then he said a lot of work yeah I think I mean I've heard 12 million but I'm not exactly sure so but he you know that's kind of like I think his mommy uh he came in he came in oh my god man that's embarrassing god you gotta wake your mom up in the middle of the night you gotta stand in the doorway can I play with you for a little while I'm in trouble oh what did you do Andrew I was coming to the court parties with the other 12 year olds yeah so he got I mean his apology that one interview he came on which is like I'll admit I let my flat down that was his own well he also said he didn't sweat to I mean it really showed how stupid he is I mean I don't know I think it might be too much royal inbreeding the Europeans but yeah that made me see an interview he really showed I mean it's also he's probably just so out of touch with talking to any normal people for sure normally I'm sure he spent his whole life saying I don't sweat and everyone in the room and oh wow that's really interesting not one person ever was like what the messaging is weird because they're like I absolutely did not do that I just apologize I let my side down also here's 12 million dollars like so wait dude dude there's someone like you must have kids like no I fucking did it like you was 12 million bucks I'm like no I didn't wasn't even I don't have it that's not the weirdest part to me when it's like well I absolutely did not but I would apologize it wasn't as if anybody else a prince Andrew but has any of any of these other people that have been named come out and talked about it or been because anytime I see Bill Gates was never really Bill named in those books was he was not really I know he was no he wasn't but according as I said earlier that evening standard article said Gates and Epstein go back to the 1990s that's not great if that's true I mean I don't see how Bill Gates could not be compromised and Bill Gates is showing LaBiena's behavior amongst his employees so really yeah I'm going to put it to LaBiena's behavior so no goodness predatory yeah it's no great so it's it's difficult to know I mean if Epstein and Gates go back that far I do not see how Bill Gates could not be compromised yeah yeah yeah well you know now we spent a weekend at his place post yesterday yeah it was like yeah I'm not there that was an oversight I might have I needed yeah he's like well he's dead now I know that was just that was just thing he said he's dead now so yeah I mean it's hard to people wrap their heads around you know it doesn't mean like every single person in the government's corrupt is just there are psychos that don't get stopped and you know I was there ever because I remember after the Epstein suicide wasn't there another it was somebody who did the autopsy that said this was conducive with hanging or not hanging self-hanging but he there was yeah there's been a number of people that have come out Julie Brown of by an herald who wrote the three the series of articles that really ought at Epstein she's convinced that Epstein didn't but will there ever be an investigation there's never been any investigation the last time there was an investigation it was the Palm Beach Police Department in 2006 I mean that was the last time I mean the feds as I said earlier the feds had a list of 32 victims and they did not indict Epstein on one single count of child abuse and it's very it's very obvious that Epstein everything that he did have been covered up and as I said earlier the first known reports of Epstein of victims going to the FBI were the farmers sisters went to the FBI in 1996 so Epstein has been covered up all those years which is and like with the Franklin scandal the Franklin scandal was a huge network it was bigger than Epstein's um wasn't as was around about half as long as Epstein's but it was much bigger than Epstein according to federal and state authorities not a single child that had been abused um that there wasn't a network I mean it's and that shows you and then with the Epstein stuff that you know all the stuff that went on like the cover up in 1996 and then the feds covering it up with the 32 victims it shows how much power had to be deployed yeah to cover that up and and as I said earlier the only people the only two people that can tell a US attorney to stand down or the attorney general in the president so someone is as I said earlier someone's pulling strings at the apex of power to cover that type so when the what you would call it when Larry Lawrence King got busted he was president of them that was George Herbert and he said he was friends with push right yeah he was friends with everybody did he have was there things about like the White House tours and like like bush having kids in his house or in the White House well Craig Spence we talked about earlier the sociopath that lived in Washington DC um he took kids and male prostitutes on midnight towards the White House what yes just and that's been hot dogs and pizzas to the White House yeah that's crazy and that has been corroborated really yes male prostitutes go to the White House yeah that's nice it's all bad and and at least one underage though one one at least one yeah so just hanging there like do they say like what like there was like night out like he checked us out or they apply I think Spence just wanted to show some people how much power he had Jesus man after after night of partying or whatever they get he said I'm gonna take you guys on a true White House that's pretty awesome no yeah like wouldn't there be I used to play there's a no real ramifications sometimes and George H. W. was just in there just like a little did he know you know there's a little parade that's so fucking crazy and you know the Washington Times broke that story and um and the Washington Times also broke stories about Spence is so being wired for Audubacial Black male where what being white?

Spence is so being wired for Audubacial Black male. Oh okay gosh so and unfortunately the Washington Times is owned by Reverend Mone of of Unification Church fame they've done some amazing reporting but they're tainted and then the Washington Post did everything it possibly could to cover up Spence's pedophile network. Who owns Washington Post? At that point it was Catherine Graham okay and now her son owns the Washington Post.

Oh no what's your son? What's Beetho's own? I thought Beetho's own to the Post. He owns part of the Post.

Okay yeah and then before that one buffet it don't part. Did you watch the show's succession? I did. What'd you think about that in terms of like because that's pretty much what it mostly shows about how people can just completely spend the media narrative and kind of just move politicians to their pleasure.

I didn't think I was gonna like it but I kind of got into it. Yeah it was a show. Well I mean it just shows I mean and that's in a very focussive sense. Sure.

But I mean I think it you know all reflects reality and I think that that show really shows that the reality of how easy it is to cover things up and to get away with unbelievable malfeasance. Yeah and how many death threats have you received? Yeah. I was midway through this podcast I was like oh well we're gonna get killed.

It would definitely get killed. I've only had one and now I've had some very strange stuff happen to me. Yeah but especially with my phones. Really?

But I've only had one death threat. Yeah. What was the threat? Like knock it off really.

There was um so this is it's kind of interesting to stop being a party pooper. We're having fun. Okay so earlier I talked about living on an Indian gurus ashram and someone who lived there we maintained a friendship over the years and he lived in Omaha and my first trip to Omaha I knew that something had gone down in Omaha but I didn't think it was you know big and malignant like it was. I didn't think like I didn't think that it was an interstate pedophone network.

I didn't think that Boys Town was involved because Lawrence King was plundering Boys Town for underage victims. I knew something had gone down so I went to I originally went to Omaha very skeptical and I told my buddy um Dirk uh you know I said I'm I had seen him for I had seen him for I don't know four or five years and I said yeah I'm gonna go to Omaha and it goes whoa he went I come to Omaha and I said well I want to I'm looking into this story and you know he was a little he was a little concerned about my mental health at that point but so um I stayed in his at his apartment and um and then the the Nebraska State Patrol started calling his apartment I did this is 2002 I didn't even have a cell phone and uh Nebraska Patrol started calling his uh um leaving messages on his answering machine was this after you got pulled over with the rusty guy before this is this is long before this is this is two or three years before so um so there was a woman I was sitting Dirk was coming back from his work and I was sitting watching the history channel or something like that and then oh I hear knock on the door and um I go look to the hole and it's this really freaky looking woman and she says I've got a book for you and and okay so by the time this happened I'd interviewed a victim I'd interviewed Rusty Nelson um I caught someone following me um I was you know I was like you know Def Con 4 at this point and um so and my buddy Dirk was you know he was getting you know kind of uptight about it too because we I mean I'd obviously kick the hornet's nest and so this one I want to give you a book and at this point I did not want my fingerprints on that book and I didn't want her fingerprints in my friend's apartment yeah so I said you know please leave and she wouldn't leave and I said come on just just leave you know and then um and then I got her and then she eventually left and then my buddy Dirk came in with some grocery we're gonna put dinner that night and uh and he goes you know I saw this freaky woman and um I said we keep she's been you know I've just been talking to her for about five or ten minutes and then so uh we're Dirk is making dinner and then she comes back and um and then Dirk looks at her I look at her you know through people and um so dude we can't let her in this apartment we don't want her fingerprints in this apartment we don't want her finger right on that book so what was the book did you say I didn't see it um say she's a dive on real time so it isn't very spooky dude that's terrifying so um she decided to leave but her parting shot was you're in a great deal of danger you're gonna get killed and uh now that really short-circuited not only me but Dirk you know Dirk realized you know this is real and um so we had a very nice dinner that night but we didn't get a lot of sleep that was the part of the book that I I was going to sleep and then that story is told and I was like that's that's very scary I know that I know the look of a crazy like you know looking through a people seeing a lady out there like true yeah like that type of oh they always stand like right up against the door I crazy lady knock on my door she I think she was just genuinely the crazy lady and they like I open the door and her face is right there like yeah yeah very scary well at that point I got very cautious and like I said I didn't want my fingerprints or dressing red one so um cool but yeah you know an investigation like that you've got to kind of think about like before I went and got tried to get pictures with Rusty um I made a video of myself and I said this is what I'm going to do you know if I get busted for these pictures this picture I mean in pursuit of the story um if I don't come back you know yeah I mean you know we probably obviously got the pictures so um what do you do with that you just like give it to your friends but yeah I give it to my friend what I did is um all my interviews I put them on CDs I give everybody and then all the documentation that I had it's in three different areas scary the scary part about it has got to be that they don't really care who knows you know I mean like the way they did with Epstein I mean they blew up that guy's plane they killed Epstein in front of the entire country oh yeah like it seems like they're really not worried about it I think once they survive one news cycle it's they're clear yeah yeah I think with my situation I was a freelance journalist and I think that other journalists had looked into that and they put heat on them and and so they just thought that that kind of be the end of Nick Ryan and um and I can remember I was I had a mentor he since I was a journalist and um we're why they're watching Square Park and um uh I was looking up at the buildings for snipers I mean I left Nebraska very freaked out yeah and um you know we sat down and he was uh he was a mentor of mine he was a great guy I loved him deeply and he goes you know if you don't want to pursue this I'll still respect you and um and I thought about you know I said you know I think I have to pursue this I mean I know about it I got to do what I can to get it out in the world so yeah and it's an undeniable fact that a ton of kids are sex trafficked it's like there's no like you know it's isn't like people like they love this like all this all conspiracy stuff it's like well there are kids getting sex trafficked there's been big sex traffickers getting busted and then it just goes away so like you were saying like the only people who can do that are you know like two people that's like clearly something to miss how do you how do you get kids or what's like you're in this myself like what's like practical advice to like make sure your kids don't get caught up in this stuff is they're saying now with like the internet they can kind of just contact kids online and like they look for kids or like slightly to shovel what's the thing I mean if if a kid's from a lower social economic background is a central background they're prime yeah as open to the predators I mean and predators really know how to pray I mean guys like Lawrence King and Craig Spence and Jeffrey Epstein I mean those guys are predators par excellence they know how to how to get children and and they obviously really don't have any legal problems so retribution so they can get kids and molest them with immunity to Jesus Christ that was the thing I was watching today was just about this one guy would go to like football games and just go to high school football games like he saw a girl thinking ankle monitor and he's like perfect she's good I guess we just see a girl without a dad yeah or parents yeah it's like perfect that's and Epstein was also buying children in eastern Europe too oh man it's what didn't the that Satanist group didn't they weren't they like breeding allegedly they were like breeding kids for like the purpose of selling them um the finders there was like some fingers were there was a a tell-x about the finders buying a kid okay and um in Hong Kong and um and then there was also evidence that the finders would respond to people that were looking for babysitters oh yeah I think you look up the finders because when I was reading the book I started trying to look up them there's there's almost nothing really great article you're defined there Elizabeth boss VOS wrote a really good article on the finders it's the most uh it's the best rendition of the finders that anybody's ever come up with yeah and um I did find one of those kids um and um I got to the grandmother I found the grandmother and then the grandmother taken on the finders to get the kid and the finders had really subjected her to you know a terror just a lot of terror and but she's hung in there she wanted her grandchild out of that call and um I asked if the kid was only 17 at that time or 16 and I asked if she would mind if I interviewed the kid and she said that she'd want me to interview me. So we're getting close to time here yeah how about you got a book coming out you said in July I do I've got a book talking about that it's called the truth about Watergate a tale of extraordinary lies and liars and um what you'll see in this book is that the Watergate cover story is uh is almost purely fabrications and Woodward and Bernstein are pathological liars um I've got them nailed in so many lies I mean they even lie I mean they lie about important things but like Bernstein's talking about you know he's going out to talk to someone and he's in this storm and then on that particular day there's no storm I mean they're lying about inconsequential things like that I mean not so I mean they're just telling lies and um and Bernstein said that he was gonna he was ducking a subpoena and and hung out in a theater where he was watching Deep Throat well actually Deep Throat wasn't even shown you know during that period of watching ABC so there's so many lies and deep throat what were it's you know a segacia source um yeah I really show how that's kind of impossible. Mark felt who was out of this deep throat after he was very uh suffering from dementia and wasn't quite there and and I do think that Mark felt gave uh Woodward some information but Mark felt was living in um he got fired from the uh FBI and supposedly felt would go by Woodward's uh apartment and if the flowerpot was out then that meant that Woodward wanted to contact him and they and Woodward would take all these cabs and they'd meet in you know in Virginia and um and it's kind of funny because the real critical information that Deep Throat gave Woodward um is when after felt that fired from the FBI so he's driving in from Alexandria uh Virginia every day looking up at the looking up at Daniel but here's the kicker um Woodward's uh apartment faced a courtyard I mean you cannot you to see to see what words apartment you had to get out of your car and then walk 50 feet and look straight up so I mean that's just one of many things so the whole just like a summary Watergate was like what was the thing you think are covering up.

Watergate was um it was a silent coup um people now Nixon I you know I don't dispute that the dude has some major psychiatric issues here but um but what Nixon was trying to do is he was he was opening up China for a called reproachment diplomatic and then he was doing strategic on limitations with the Russians he wanted to really scale back on nuclear weapons and what happened there is like the gingos in the military and also in the CIA really um and Nixon was conducting these negotiations with a time secret communication system that the uh that the Navy have it's called SD-1 so initially the Joint Chiefs of Staff had an espionage ring against Nixon and then the administration out of them and then like then the CIA started to infiltrate his administration the intersancums because all those burglars that were busted at the Watergate except for uh G-Gorton Label, he wasn't actually busted at the Watergate but he was busted later on um they were all CIA so uh and you know Woodward has an extensive background in intelligence and um and actually the special prosecutor that was able to get rid of Nixon he has a background in a lot of connections the CIA so the CIA was you know wanted to get rid of Nixon and it got very it had some fortuitous things happen and then um and then but Watergate was like a completely abonched job I mean those guys should they were in the Watergate twice and they should have been busted the first time but the uh the security guard was cognitively challenged I mean he just wasn't that right I mean at one point okay so the force gone no no Forrest Gump made this guy looked like a nice guy no so um the uh he was on the cover he could have been the Democratic National Committee was on the eighth floor of the Watergate and um the Federal Reserve was on the sixth floor now someone had burgled the Federal Reserve a month earlier but at one point and this is mind-boggling um McCord who was a CIA guy forever um led the burglars or all CIA assets um up to the uh signed in and went to and this was around midnight and went to the Federal Reserve I mean I mean I mean I mean and they couldn't and that security guard was too stupid to to call the police so they they were like we gotta do it again yeah so they had to do it again and it's the reason you're here burglary yeah I mean yeah go ahead when you read the book it's kind of mind-boggling what what what happened what really happened at least Nixon got off easy compared to Jeff can I true well I think they toned it down well they're like we're just gonna fake a thing you'll get impeached it's better than getting your head blown off during a parade definitely well the thing about that is um there's been so much blowback with Kennedy um and the Warren Commission uh like a majority of the Americans didn't believe the Warren Commission I mean the media has had all these years to work on them and brainwash them it's 60 percent still don't think that Oswald acted alone so I think and then you had the death of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy so I think had you not had those previous assassinations the sky brother and the sassane Nixon what this way it was got you it was a kind of gentler it's almost like why Maxwell's still alive yeah you know there's no way they can do that again just like that I hope it's like every other thing they can do every other yeah like I listen to civil rights leaders then it's Oh they can do it I stand pretty badly yeah they had a nice little run of assassinations there for a while yeah yeah I got greedy more sophisticated like I guess we could just make up terrible shit about these guys yeah yeah it's a little easier well I think that's it yeah that was awesome thank you so much thank you so much and uh yeah thanks for looking into all this stuff it's pretty scary to do yeah you keep looking at it when you're just trying to find the one that I don't get you know I don't get you know it's once once I was on this trajectory I wanted to see justice yeah I've talked to so many victims I've spoken at so many conferences I've interacted with you know so many victims and I just want to see them get justice as they possibly can yeah it's funny with the feminist dudes they talk about the patriarchy and like oh here's a bunch of powerful men abusing children they're like that's conspiracy theories like no isn't that like your whole philosophy for how the world works but no let's get through it there it's like no there they are yeah lock them yeah lock them up here's their names yeah this kid's man it's little kids it's like it's definitely happening and it's you know it's fucked up yeah it's uh had the media had any integrity whatsoever why shouldn't DC would have been filled with moms under manning justice there was a similar situation in Belgium and it uh a hundred couple hundred thousand Belgians to the streets really yeah this is how long ago was that it was uh late 90s yeah I remember there was a joke in a movie I heard about in the movie in bruge oh he is when he makes a joke about Belgium that's the only thing I've ever heard about the Belgian pedophile thing it was uh Marc du Troe was the guy that got caught and um but yeah that was uh I mean at that point you had law enforcement coming on saying this is a cut row like with uh what happened with the home beach police department Epstein yeah he blew the whistle on it pretty yeah and they still cover it up like all right next level yeah yeah well all right well thank you very much and uh yes goodbye all right well that was our interview with Nick Bryant man and I know about you I feel spooked and I'm ready for this definitely to get taken down and all of our money to be taken possibly gonna kill me with the heart attack on you think so yeah I've been talking about being fat doing code uh yeah tell me with the heart attack gun the sonic wave you you're jumping off a building I think they'll let me eat trail or that it's like MKL for me let me go crazy 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