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We are joined by Mr. Scott Young. Scott is a writer who undertakes interesting self-education projects, such as attempting to learn MIT's four year computer science curriculum in just 12 months and learning four languages in just one year. Scott has a new book coming out, which is going to be absolutely amazing.
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Scott Young. Enjoy. Well, Scott Young, welcome to the Daily Grind. My friend.
How are you? Oh, I'm great. I'm great to be here. Of course, Scott.
Well, Scott, for people listening, being first introduced to who you are today, if you wouldn't mind, just kind of briefly saying a little bit more as to who Scott is and what it is that you do. Right. So I'm a writer and a blogger. And I guess the thing that I'm sort of known for is taking on unusual self-directed learning projects, things that I've done include things like the MIT Challenge, which was a project I took on about eight years ago to learn MIT's four year computer science curriculum in 12 months without taking any classes.
I also did a project called The Year Without English to learn four languages in one year with the method of not speaking English and traveling to four countries, which were Spain, Brazil, China, and South Korea. And just recently, I published a book that was a Wall Street Journal bestseller, Ultra Learning. And it is about how you can teach yourself hard skills like languages like programming in order to improve your career and really to live a better life. Interesting, man.
How long have you, like going back a few years, so to speak, obviously you're a writer blogger now. Did you do something before that? So I've been blogging and believe it or not, since I was 17. So I have done some other things I've been blogging, but I have been, yeah, I think I've been now, is it 14 years or 15 years now?
I have to consult the calendar to check, but it's been a while that I've been writing. So I've been, I wrote the whole time I was at university and that was when I got kind of involved in the sort of study hacking community of how you learn faster because when you're a full time student, obviously the more time you don't have to spend studying, the more time you can have doing fun things or starting a business or all sorts of stuff like that. Cool. So what were you blogging about when you were 17?
Yeah. So when I first started, I think I got really interested in a lot of the stuff on, you know, what could be said, sort of the very early blogosphere on productivity and self improvement and goal setting. And I think I came from it from this perspective that just these ideas were ones that I've never heard before. Like, I know that a lot of people when they get into change, or like, you know, I think that's a very interesting habit.
For instance, they become kind of converted to this philosophy because they just never considered before. Oh, I could just sequentially change habits. I went some months to just change my behavior and I could just become a much more effective person. So I think that was sort of my initiation point.
So I really liked early bloggers. I read where people like Steve Pevlina and then of course, you know, people wrote books like Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy and stuff. And I was really interested in these ideas, but like a lot of people, I didn't have a lot of people in my environment to chat with them about. So I was interested in kind of talking about them, writing about them and I started writing and I just kind of kept going with it and, you know, eventually that became my kind of profession and sort of throughout that I really discovered this kind of focus on learning because I think learning is a sort of under appreciated lens for viewing life that we kind of view it in terms of effort and drive.
But if you view life as being a puzzle that you have to solve, I think that can often be a lot more valuable because when you don't have the motivation, what do you do? But when you view motivation as a puzzle that you have to solve, how do I get the ingredients to be successful with this? I think you can often make a lot more progress. So this has been a theme that has really been since the beginning of my blog, but I certainly wanted to have accelerated over the last decade.
Interesting. Do you ever view like, do you ever view anything like over learning, like learning too much as being like something that's a bad thing or do you just not? Yeah. So actually in my book, one of the chapters I talked about is this idea called directness.
And I think this problem stems from the fact that when I say learning, most of us think of kind of like book learning and, you know, sitting in a classroom and taking notes and they're like, well, obviously you can kind of do too much of that, right? If you look at the research on learning, and I'm using sort of the broad version of learning, meaning kind of like any changes that happen in your brain from experience that are beneficial. This is sort of a definition psychologist's office. If you look at this sort of broader definition, it turns out that this kind of academic overly sort of you take a class and you learn things has a big problem.
And this is what's known as the problem of transfer, which is that you learn things in a classroom that very often you can't apply in real life. And so the idea that I cover in ultra learning is not to focus on learning in terms of studying past tests, but in terms of how you get really good at skills and it turns out that the people who get really good at skills are doing a lot of things. They're not just studying a lot of things. So learning is a very active process.
And so the kind of people that become great programmers spend a lot of time programming and they're learning to try and build their own programs, getting feedback, identifying their weaknesses. There's a lot of this interactive process of getting better at it, which is very different from, you know, just pulling up a textbook and just reading it over and over again. And so I think there is a lot of misconceptions like this about learning that lead us to maybe assume that maybe we're bad students or maybe we don't know how to learn certain things when really we just haven't found the right way to approach it. And this is true for languages.
It's true for skills like programming and math, it's true for things like public speaking and I've got examples of all those in the book. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right? Because like for me, not that I was a bad student, but I was never a great student. Like I just didn't catch my attention.
I did enough to get by. Yeah, it wasn't until after that I started to get interested in something you're completely right that I started to really focus in on it. And then you realize like, I'm actually not stupid. No, it's totally true.
I think a lot of people have, you know, gone through the school system, which is I don't want to I don't want to disparage it too much because there are useful things you can learn in school, but I think it can often be kind of a very specialized way of learning. When you were in school, you get this idea that this whole learning thing is just not for me. When really maybe if you approach things in a different way, you would experience better results. And so some of the stories that I had in here, one of the guys that was really my first inspiration into this kind of world of cultural learning was Benny Lewis, who speaks about 10 plus languages.
And he himself admits that when he was in school learning languages, he was very good at them. Like he didn't get great grades studying German in high school. And it was only traveling and actually going through the process of immersion where he was just speaking with people and having that regular practicing conversations, not sitting in a classroom studying for a book endlessly. That he actually became quite good and was able to learn multiple languages.
So not even just becoming fluent in one language, but becoming fluent in several or more. And so I think this is a lesson not just language learning, but for lots of things we want to learn that we have kind of the wrong metaphor about how improvement looks like. And we've kind of been drilled that, well, if you want to learn things, you got to sit and study a lot. We're really often what you need to do is a lot of practice.
And even when you're doing things like reading or even sitting in a class, there's often ways you can turn and transform that to make it more active to make the things that you learn stick a lot better. And that's another lesson that many students who go to class, they use actually one of the most ineffective techniques for studying, which is this repeated review approach which I document from some of the scientific literature. Interesting. So your story, you go to what university did you go to?
So I actually went to University of Manitoba. This was a number of years ago now and I studied business. And I studied business because a lot of people I wanted to go and start my own business. So I figured I should study business.
And then it was after a couple of years, I realized that, oh, actually, this is mostly how do you be a good little middleman? Sure in a large company and not how you can start your own business. And so after that, I did this project I mentioned earlier than my key challenge, which was trying to get a computer science education or learn how to program, learn how to understand how computers and technology works. But I didn't go to school.
I did this entirely on my own using these free resources and that was sort of one of my first big projects in there. Yeah. So you did it. Did you learn a year and four years?
Would you have said that you successfully accomplished that? Yeah. So what the project was is MIT posts a lot of their class materials online for free. So if you go to MIT OpenCourseWare, there are hundreds of MIT classes, which kind of lectures, which have assignments with problem sets, and importantly, they have final exams with solutions for many of them.
So what I decided to do is I was sort of looking over this and I was like, has anyone ever tried to simulate an education in a computer science degree without actually going to school just by trying to study and learn and pass the final exams? And then for computer science, obviously, because programming is important, and I also did the programming projects as well. And so there's 33 classes in that sequence and with some slight modifications, I was able to go through and do all of those. And because I had that flexibility, because there's actually, you know, you can take an exam whenever you're ready.
You don't have to wait until the actual test date and wait weeks to get feedback from your assignments and stuff. And I was also able to do it a little bit more quickly, I think, than typically my student would be able to do. And so that was also another little benefit of that as well. So I did it over 12 months rather than the typical four years.
That's cool, man. So you do that for 12 months. Obviously, you're done now. Like, did you start your own business at that time?
Did you get a job? Like, what were you doing? Yeah. A couple of months or years after.
So it's really interesting because that was sort of right around when I was doing that project was about the time when, as I mentioned, you know, I've been blogging since I was 17, it was about the time when I was starting to make a full time income from just writing and just having my blog and doing that. And so, although I was very interested in computer science and it impacted my personal business, you know, I was doing well at that point. So I wasn't that keen on getting a completely new job and abandoning all this work I put in. However, you know, I think it's interesting because a lot of people who might like to be learning programming that's what they would care about is being able to become a professional programmer.
And it was interesting because after this project, I read it, the social sort of news aggregator, my kind of story, I kind of posted this YouTube video just saying, well, you know, I finished the project and that kind of got taken up and it was on the front page of Reddit and there was all this discussion there. And some people were sort of saying, well, you know, it's too bad that it doesn't matter because you don't have a degree, it doesn't count. And then there's people in the comments below that who are like claiming to be HR directors for software firms being like, no, no, this is the kind of person that we want to hire who is taking the initiative to learn things. And, you know, even one guy reached out to me and he wanted to set me up with Microsoft and another guy wanted to join the startup.
So I think I probably could have transitioned into a software world at that point. It's just, you know, it just turned out that I liked writing more than becoming a full time programmer and I didn't intend on switching careers. But I think this approach to learning, now you don't have to do a full degree. There's obviously many, many ways about going about this.
But the idea of taking on these challenges to master hard skills yourself, I think very often can produce outsized career improvements versus, you know, either going back and spending tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars on tuition or, you know, just sort of working hard every single day and not upgrading your skills and not really reaching the cutting edge of what you can do with your profession. That's what it's just made. So what would you say to like someone listening who maybe is wanting to break out into something else. They're not happy with where they are.
They're trying to start something. I believe that, you know, becoming an ultra learner, like you said, like it's most important thing you can do. The misinformation is the worst. Like not having the information.
It's like, if you were saying there was no doctor you could turn to, right? Like the lack of information that I think people are missing. What would you suggest to someone, you know, in sort of that crisis say wanting to learn something else, but they really maybe don't know what they're trying to learn? Yeah.
So figuring out what you want to learn is can often be a big stumbling block because you don't know what other opportunities are there. So one of the techniques that I've found really effective in, I've worked with people on this is what I call the expert interview method. And basically the idea is that you find people who have kind of accomplished something roughly similar to what you'd like to accomplish. So if we're going back to my story learning computer science, if my goal had been, I would like to get a job, sort of entry level programming and transition to that career, then it would be fine to people who've been doing that for several months.
And particularly people who you can kind of match for reference class. So maybe don't pick the guy who went to Harvard and graduated with honors if you didn't pass high school, but you can often find people that are similar, like even just programming example, I know many programmers that don't have degrees in computer science, for instance, they're productively employed as programmers. And you can talk to them and just sort of ask them what skills you using your job or what skills are required for you to learn. And then that can help you narrow down to which things might be useful to learn.
And some of them are going to be obvious. So obviously, you know, programming is sort of a hot topic these days of because it doesn't require a lot of formal education, but it's quite lucrative. And so lots of people going to programming. But there's also lots of skills that are kind of unexpected that turn out to be really valuable.
So I was reading on Twitter the other day of One Guy who was basically telling that he basically built his career off of being really good at Excel that he was really good at Excel. And he found some users or some people who were not as good at Excel as he was, and he was able to automate some of the tedious parts of their task by being good at Excel. So that's just an example of if you find some gaps in like being good at X would obviously be valuable to these people or would allow me to get this job. And then you just have to work backwards at how do I get good at X, which obviously there's a lot of detail and you want to get that right as well, which is why I wrote the book, but I think at least if you can pinpoint that goal of if I were a really good public speaker, for instance, that would move my career forward.
Or if I knew marketing really well, like even if you just get that goal crystallized then already you're much further along the most people. And would you suggest like people to turn to a specific resource or website like because there's so much information now, like with little course is that you can get on Udemy to work, you know, doing kind of what you did like, how do you funnel out the information that's just kind of created by Randy and then actually instead get something from like a true expert. Right, so one of the things that I actually recommend in the book is a phase I call meta learning so meta is just a prefix that means something's about itself so meta learning is learning about learning. And in this case, what that involves is doing a research project.
So I suggest what I call the 10% rule, which is that if your project you imagine is going to take 100 hours to complete, then maybe spending as much as 10 hours doing research on what are the ways that people use to learn this. And it's going to vary for every single topic. So it's not like I can suggest, okay, we'll just go to this website and they have everything really good for the resources because it's exactly what you described as a plant garbage out there. But at the same time, if you go and you look around and you look at people who successfully learned that skill and ask them what they learned it to use and what resources they learned and what subjects they learned, you can often come up with some good solutions.
There's actually this really interesting scientific literature about adult learners, just to prove that there's a scientific literature and everything. And one of the findings of it is that people don't do research, they just kind of go with whatever is immediately and they're vicinity when they want to learn something. And so I would say that this is a huge advantage you can cultivate if you're able to do this, if you're able to go out and say, hmm, what's the best way to learn a language, not just, oh, when I search language learning on my phone, this was the first app that came up, because that can be misleading. Sometimes the most popular thing is chosen or is most popular because it's the most entertaining or colorful or flashy and not because it will actually get you meaningful skills.
So just because I don't want to be too abstract, some good starting points is that if you want to learn an academic skill, I would say Coursera is a good platform as well as the leading universities often have coursework. So we're talking about MIT, Harvard, Yale, if it's something that's in high school, early college, Khan Academy is very good. If you're talking about practical skills, so you want to learn a skill to be able to perform it, then I would say try to find people who are already practitioners of the skill and see what you recommend because that's going to be a lot more niche specific. So if you're trying to learn a specific aspect of internet marketing, for instance, you're going to look towards different resources, they may not be covered in a Harvard class.
And so how many languages do you speak now? So I would say that I speak more or less six, including English right now, which I learned some French. This was a sort of a project I talked about earlier. And I also speak Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, and Korean, although my Korean is somewhat weaker than the other three.
What was that process like for you? Because you did four in a year. Yeah, so this was a project that I did with a friend after I'd finished the MIT project. I kind of talk about it in the book, but it was sort of a transformative process for me because my whole life and I'm sure many people feel this way, you know, your big learning experiences in school and maybe have mixed feelings about that.
But doing this project on my own, I kind of felt very free and like what other things could I learn or tackle or try to attempt it, you know, I'd be kind of scared of before. I thought I might be able to not do it. And I'd remembered when I was learning French. So this happened when I went on exchange for a year when I was in university.
I studied abroad and I really tried to learn French and I put in a lot of effort, but it always felt like it was a bit of a grind. And a big reason for that was that everyone around me spoke to me in English all the time. And so every time I tried to speak in French, it would begin this pushback. So it was just like a run set effort.
And so I thought about this. I thought about Benny Lewis, my friend, my friend, I mentioned speak so many languages. And I thought, you know what would be the best way to learn it is if you never spoke in English, if you just landed in the country and then when you met people, they knew you were only speaking the language you're trying to learn. And then you would form a new social network and you'd be an immersion and you would learn much more quickly.
So this was just a hypothesis. And I had a friend who was about to take a gap here. So he was already going to travel. And I was thinking, you know, well, what if we went together and we did this kind of project.
And so there's considerable debate and discussion that I'm admitting here, but we decided to go to four countries and use what we call the no English method, which is land in the country and you don't speak English to each other or to anyone that you know barring some rare exceptions or emergencies. And so the overall method, you know, landed in Spain and it worked incredibly well. Like I felt like after two months in Spain, I had better Spanish than I had after a year in France learning French. Despite the fact that I was, you know, in some ways not even putting in the same amount of effort that in France, I felt like it was more effortful because every social interaction had that kind of well am I going to speak in French right now and embarrass myself or where in Spanish.
It was just, it wasn't even a question. Nobody had ever heard me speak English before. So there was no question about what I was going to speak to. And so any basics on that like any basic.
Yeah. Okay. So we did do a little bit of prep beforehand, but not a lot. Like I think Spanish, we did about 50 hours, which was Pimsler and like a little bit of random other stuff.
The one I had the most for was Chinese. I did about 100 and that was just because I found these like flashcards on my phone and I was just, I just been doing them like six months before and it kind of clocked at the time. But you know, I would say that those are probably good numbers for those respective languages. So for a European language 50 seemed like the right amount to get to get that sort of foothold.
And for Asian languages, I would say probably more like 100 just because they're just so different from English that you're going to have more hurdles. So I wouldn't recommend doing it right from zero because it's really hard to, you know, deal with the getting to a new place and traveling if you have nothing like Brazilian Portuguese, we had zero and that was that was rough just because we're dealing with like moving in and having, you know, you know, we were homeless for a little pit because we had gone out of an Airbnb and kind of find a new place. And so we're wandering around this Brazilian beach asking people in our limited Portuguese if they had a room for two months, which went about as well as you expected to. And so I wouldn't recommend doing that.
I'd recommend doing a little bit of practice. So at least when you want to ask if they have read for new months, you don't have to look it up and Google translate first. But I think that was the sort of overall approach that I would recommend for someone that you don't have to have studied it for like two or three years before you do this. If you go and you commit to the immersive process, it creates this reinforcing feedback group and really it was one of the most incredible experiences of both of our lives of doing this learning project.
So it wasn't just that we learned this languages and that it was also treasury. It was also this fun exciting process. Yeah, two questions to follow up for you. First of all, like three months.
So you obviously spent three months each country learning these lines more or less. Yeah, more or less. Would you say that three month immersion was enough. So I think this is another thing like three months is the amount that is on a lot of tourist visas.
So this was also partly for us doing it this way. So I would say that the three months. You're so for Spanish, for instance, I felt like the sort of when we were starting to get to the point where it's like, Oh, we're hanging out with friends and doing the kinds of things sort of casually socially that I would expect to do in an English speaking country that actually happened a bit earlier that would have been probably about a month and a half. And so we kind of felt like, Oh, yeah, we got to the level that we wanted to get to.
I mean, that's a little bit of a different level than I'm perfectly fluent in could take university classes in Spanish or something like that. But definitely from the level of, you know, what it was going on dates and we were having friends and hanging out and just living our lives. That was pretty easy. China and Korea, Korea was kind of like near the end.
We were just starting to get to there. So it was a little bit harder, but we didn't have any prep for Korea and China. I felt like I was kind of getting there near the end, but it was it was harder and it's a little bit more work to do that. So my advice, if someone was just asking me what amount of time would you recommend if you just had infinite time in the world.
I would say three months is probably a good start for a lot of European languages. Yep. For the Asian languages. I think if you did it in a year, you would be very happy and not not to say that they're like entirely equivalent.
There's just differences in learning each of them. But I think trying to do it in three months for an Asian country, you just have to expect that you're going to be studying a lot harder to get to the same level. It's going to be a lot more work as opposed to, you know, having fun. No, Dez, I mean, obviously you had a lot of fun.
You learned a bunch and that people you merged yourself like what's I want to say the biggest lesson you learned, but like what are some of those like you look back on it and like what are some of those things that you really can take away from that? That you sort of utilize now. Yeah. So one of the big things I would say is how important creating the environment and structuring your project is to your eventual learning success.
And this is also something that's somewhat of a lesson from my previous project too. But many of us when we go into approaching new things, we just kind of go into it hazardly. So the classic example of this is that, you know, I've had this experience and people sometimes say, you know, what's your advice for learning a language and people who are already going to travel. So I want to make that point clear.
They're already in a position to do what I'm saying that I did. And my advice is, well, don't speak English. Use this no English rule, at least in the beginning, you know, maybe after two months you want to start speaking, which is fine. I'm not going to establish those habits in the beginning.
And a lot of people say something akin to, oh, yeah, I don't know what they're going to do that, but I'll try to do my best. And I'm kind of like, no, no, don't do that because you're going to make it so much harder for yourself because if you don't set up the environment correctly, then you'll have what happened to me in France where you really want to do something, but you've created an environment. You've created a structure for your project that works against the goal you're trying to achieve. So I think this applies to a lot more than a language learning.
If you're trying to start a business, if you're trying to master any skill, think about how the environment that you create, and I don't just mean the physical environment, but also the relationships with people you have that you're interacting with, and you're kind of internal mental environment. How are those structured to help you to kind of automatically make those decisions that puts you along your goal, rather than have you constantly be pushed out of them. One of the examples I talk about in the book is a friend of mine Tristan Montabello did a project to learn public speaking, and he had an incredible run of progress that he went in about six or seven months, but from having near zero experience public speaking to being a finalist for the world championship of public speaking, which is a competition put on by Toastmasters every year that has something like 32,000 people every year. So it's crazy to be in the top 10.
And what I noticed about his project is just the way that he structured it initially by, okay, I want to work on it in this timeframe. I'm going to put this kind of investment in, and then also the structure of these competitions because there was a bunch of sort of elimination style competitions, ended up being that he was kind of naturally sucked into the project and working really intensely on it as opposed to, okay, I got to have to do another speech this week. And then it's a slow grind. So I think thinking about those aspects of design and how you design your projects, your efforts and your environment is underappreciated as it comes to success, not only with learning with anything.
It's kind of funny, right? Because as you have so much information and people nowadays, you can just start a business in the blink of an eye and change your career in the blink of an eye. And I view it as sort of an athlete because I come from a sport background where it's not like you can just turn around tomorrow and be like, I want to be a professional athlete. It takes a ton of work.
And I think if you want to do something successful that you need to be able to put in that work. And that's where I think having that structure and plan and making sure that you have people that you can look to and help you, that's why it's so important at the beginning. And just to put in a case in point, speaking about it, it's obviously the case that learning requires work that all these projects require work. I'm not trying to make a claim that, oh, if you do X and it's no work, that's kind of the opposite.
You want to create a project that makes it easy to put a lot of work in a lot of effort. And so the example of that would be, if you are in one of these elite sort of sports programs where you get funneled into it and you have really good coaching and this kind of thing, then you achieve a lot better than people who are maybe, you know, let's say you want to be a runner or something like that. And I'm just going to run outside versus the person who has the elite coaches who's in the school, who is as the environment where he's been trained and groomed to succeed is going to probably do a lot better. And I think running as a sort of trivial case because, you know, the actual active running is something we can all do all the time is not really an issue of resources and issue of structuring.
So I think for a lot of our pursuits thinking about how we can engineer them to generate the motivation rather than simply staying to ourselves while I don't have the motivation to do that. I think it's a more fruitful kind of question is to look at the goals you have and say, how could I become super motivated to do this rather than just sort of, you know, well, if I'm not obsessively interested in this. No doubt. It's super interesting for people who wanted to learn more and obviously grab a copy of that book because I think so many people are intrigued by this sort of idea.
I know I am a cultural learning and learning more and learning properly. Like, where's the best place everyone can go. Right. So my website is got a channel.com that's a COTT, H Y O V and G dot com and I've got thousands of free articles, including my own podcast.
And as well, if you want to read the book, it's available Amazon Barnes and Noble, wherever you get your books. If you want to listen to the book, the audible version is narrated by me. So if you're not sick of listening to me by now, then you can listen to me a bit more. Awesome.
And I'm going to share all these links in the show notes section. Everyone to make it super simple to connect, but visit Scott, akeyoung.com Scott. I want to thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule and coming on the show here with us today. Oh, yeah.
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