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I'm great. Thank you How are you? I'm great Eric Eric for people who don't know you being first introduced to you If you want minds kind of speaking that adds to a little bit of who you are and what it is that you do Yeah, thanks Colin. Well, as I said on Eric Capitulek, I was fortunate enough to attend the US Naval Academy I was born and raised in very small town in Thompson, Connecticut.
We're up on a farm Very fortunate as I was saying to attend the US Naval Academy I played college lacrosse there and graduated I served eight years in the United States Marine Corps as both an infantry officer And then in Marine Corps special operations as a platoon commander with first force reconnaissance company while serving in force recon My Marines and I were involved in a helicopter crash that killed six of the ten of us aboard on board We might talk about that a little bit later, but in an effort to raise money for the children of my deceased teammates I started to compete in the world's longest endurance events inclined the world's tallest mountains things that I already enjoyed doing But now I figured I could do them and hopefully through doing them raise a little bit of money to send the children in my deceased teammates to college one day So since then I served for eight years on active duty. I left active duty I attended the University of Chicago graduate school of business. That was a dozen years ago at when I graduated I founded the program the programs of team building and leadership development company We have one mission develop better leaders and create more cohesive teams. That's all we do develop better leaders and create more cohesive teams We do so we have the privilege of doing so with more than a hundred and sixty collegiate and professional athletic teams and corporations throughout North America During that time and an effort to raise money for the college scholarship fund for the children of my Marines I've competed in and completed eight Iron Man triathlons of adventure race and ones out of Colorado, a resident in South Africa to the other Across Costa Rica.
I've raced across Alaska I've summited five of the seven summits the tall speaks in each of the seven continents a few years ago I summited Mount Everest through all of that Colin Nothing is more important and I take no greater pride in being the husband to my wife and the father To my eight-year-old son Axel and two and a half-year-old daughter Anastasia Lot to dive into where I kind of want to start is you went to university your student athlete there played the cross What got you into wanting to get in the military? I Don't think if I don't know if there's really a typical If you if you asked a hundred military guys and girls you mean men and women I don't know if they would you might see some overlap for why they why they joined for me I attended the US Naval Academy I attended college really to play lacrosse and I attended the Naval Academy because It was different. It was a challenge and I didn't know I could do it and really that aspect doing things that I don't know I can do Is something that's always fueled to me And it's been a constant throughout my entire life That's why I attend I attended the US Naval Academy now lacrosse would not keep you at the Naval Academy The once you get there if you don't end up having this innate desire In almost need to serve something bigger than yourself You will leave one of the service academies That's I may have attended and chosen to attend the Naval Academy because of lacrosse it didn't keep me there What kept me there was once You know setting foot on campus and being there this need and desire as I said to To just serve our country and I was fortunate enough and really privileged enough to do it as an officer in the Marine Corps It's amazing. So throughout your time obviously going through that And also you serve for eight years like what are some of the biggest lessons that are takeaways from that time that you spent there?
What are some things that you kind of take with you and to doing what you're doing now? Yeah, there's a there's a few things and by few I mean a thousand But let me tell you some of the the I discussed earlier the helicopter crash that my Marines and I were involved in Something that I take away from it and it never leaves me. I think about it constantly every day but rather than the helicopter crash something that I use every single day as a leader now of my company is We endured that helicopter crash on a training mission during a practice mission prior to our deployment to the Persian Gulf Well, we still had to do that practice mission and get kind of signed off on it for lack of a better term for your listeners By higher authority before we were going to be allowed to do it when we go overseas. So we have to do it here in training Well one month less than a month after that helicopter crash we had to redo that same training mission, but I had a full leg cast on And I simply couldn't do it physically.
So the commanding general had said hey, you know captain capitolik ride in my helicopter with me Well, his helicopter was going to be a hundred feet over the over the ship that we were practicing taking over But my Marines their helicopter was going to go and do the same exact mission that they did three weeks prior When that helicopter hit the side of the ship flipped over and entered the pacific ocean So when he offered me to be in his helicopter, I readily agreed and said, oh, hey, that's a great idea. So I would love to Well, the night before that mission I didn't sleep. I just laid in my bed tossing and turning in column. I was afraid I mean scared And I was scared because I knew that the reason why I so readily agreed to get in the general's helicopter Was because I didn't want to get back in the helicopter the same helicopter and do the same mission that I had barely escaped with my life three weeks prior And I was afraid that I was going to just accept going in the general's helicopter Well, we're on the we're on our ship about to launch to go do this training mission to take over another ship And I'm in the general's helicopter and in the last moment I said, sir.
I can't do this. I need to get on that helicopter It's not for me to say without getting emotional about it. So I got off to that helicopter Crushed on over to the helicopter that my Marines were in and I got on that helicopter And I talked to the pilots over the headsets really quickly saying hey Look after my Marines fast rope down onto the ship the helicopter is going to come into a 60 foot hover over the ship We're practicing taking over they're going to kick a rope out and slide down that rope fast rope onto the ship Look, I can't do that. I got full leg cast on.
I mean, it's physically impossible to do that I said, hey, look, once my Marines go Would it be okay? Just set the ship down so I can walk off the back and at least be there And they said yeah, absolutely and Walking on to the to the helicopter that afternoon and seeing the look on my Marines faces That they knew they knew in that moment That they could trust that I was never going to ask them to do something that I wasn't willing to do myself That has stuck with me my entire life It will never leave me and I tell my and I remind myself of it every single day Don't ever tell your Marines don't ever tell your people to do something you're not willing to do yourself That doesn't mean you can do everything or that you should do everything That's called micromanaging but Don't ask them to do something that you wouldn't be willing to do yourself That's such a great lesson, right? Like thank you for sharing that story I think a lot of it really is impactful and thanks a great leadership lesson too, right? Like you can't tell people to go pick up shit if you're not willing to do it yourself And I think so much we see that so often I think that's why people get frustrated with their leaders and with their bosses And why they want to branch off and do something on their own because they're sick and tired of it They're 100% agree Colin not stressing for my agreement, but I could not agree more number one or number two Which goes hand in hand to that or their bosses allow other members of their team to do so So there's even if the boss doesn't do that There's other people on their team that are doing so that well, hey use your you know work hard Well, there's other members of the team that don't work hard Yeah, but they're allowed to remain members of the team And they'll leave because of that.
I mean the people who are working hard will leave because of that too What was the what was the reason after you served eight years? What was the reason for starting this business? Why leadership? Like why is that so deeply impactful to you?
Why did you want to make this Santa on the world when companies and the sports teams? Yeah, you know, you know, Colin I get asked that a lot of now as we've grown right and we're out there and people see as I kick that hell off and people will say man Eric god, they see you guys everywhere Like what a great idea and I always say man. It is a great idea, isn't it? It's not my idea, but it's a great one though, isn't it?
And what I mean by that is when I first started the program 12 years ago my idea was I when I graduated specifically my bio when I graduated from business school I went to work in finance for about a year and a half. Okay, and Who it was like hot coals being stuck in my eyes every morning when I like walked into the office And this is that is not a that is not an indication of finance. I had the opportunity to do it at Goldman Sachs It's a wonderful firm. I worked with unbelievably smart intelligent talented people No, it was hot holes being stuck in my eyes because of me not because of them or the industry or just me just me it just wasn't the right fit for me and And One of the things I did while I was in finance Toward the end of my time there was I volunteered and if I could get out of work on certain nights I would go volunteer at a local prep school in Boston as an assistant lacrosse coach as I said I played college lacrosse and when I was there when I noticed was that a lot of the prep schools that Well, they're prep school Belmont Hill and other prep schools that they played against they all had these unbelievable Strength and conditioning facilities, but at best there would be maybe a science teacher in the weight room You know checking kids in making sure they didn't kill themselves and my idea when I started the program was you know what?
We're gonna have hourly strength and conditioning coaches. We'll vet them. We'll we'll Train them to our standards and then we'll the school pay us to provide these Hourly strength and conditioning coaches because it doesn't pay them to have a full-time guy because the weight room is only used about three hours Again, okay, so that was my idea and in year one we actually did do that We had three clients that did that but about a week before or week after I started the program The head coach of Harvard Men's lacrosse John Tillman who is now the head coach of Maryland lacrosse and in the past 10 years Is the single winningest college lacrosse coach? Having won a national championship during that time.
He had just taken over at Harvard Well, John Tillman coach Tillman had been an assistant coach at Navy when the last thing I did in the Marine Corps was go back to the Navy To the Naval Academy and worked there When I showed up on campus he had the head coach the head men's lacrosse coach We've been my head coach when I played there said some lacrosse players had gotten in trouble And he called me and said hey cap can you come down here and just wear these guys out for a couple days They got in trouble. You do what your workouts with them. So Colin, that's what I did I just wore him out for a few days Well now fast forward a few years later the assistant coach on that team John Tillman is now the head coach at Harvard Just got named the head coach He calls me up after being there for about a week and says cap I just took over one of the softest teams on the softest campuses and the softest sports You know, can you come here and just wear these guys out like you did at Navy? So that's what I did Colin But when I was on campus with them I would call out the team captains to come and lead some of the exercises with me And these are great young men.
I mean smart intelligent talent. I mean all these things good people Everything they were just pretty bad at leading basic exercises for their team Their communication was poor their command presence was poor What they thought their role and responsibility as a team captain was Well, what we think wrong So from that we from that first event. I got the idea of man You know, maybe they've got strength and conditioning coaches They don't need people to make a bigger faster stronger And in all the time I spent with them the things that they were talking about the most were about hey cap Thanks that really helped me like be able to communicate better with my team interesting Yeah, to do those things and that's what kind of put the seat in my head of doing so So in our first year in business, we did three types of events like that from that one event I ended up just calling other coaches that I played for against or with To do what we do now from those first three teams now if you see what we do And I and I always want to make sure I highlight Colin I use the pronoun I and I'm proud of being the founder. I founded the program Yeah, let me just I can't say it fast enough I would be out of business if it were for the week.
We have made it what it is today Interesting. What were you looking for because obviously you started out by yourself You know, what were you looking for when you started to build your team? Looking for an in teammates that I would hire into my team Colin a couple of books that I would recommend to any leader Well, first and foremost, it's our book that we just had published in September. Okay.
That I want your readers to start there Okay, what's the name of that for the program? It's named after our company. It's called the program. Okay, easy enough But very early on when I when I founded the program my company I had the opportunity I'm a voracious reader.
I constantly read and a few of the books I made a huge impact on me were Jim Collins good to great and built to last both of those books And in fact built to last I carried you know how much built to last made an impact on me Colin I carried built to last with me up and down Mount Everest really now If you ever are into mountaineering You understand what that means because you don't want to carry one ounce of extra weight that you have to well I carried this book up and down the mountain with me. That's how impactful it was for me. Okay, and one of one of the great lessons I took from both those books and then another book called the advantage is the the importance of core values And that core values form the foundation of your culture What you do Can and it probably will change over time Who you are is a constant as I write in my book Who we are as individuals is generally set by the age of nine And it's definitely set by the age of 12 So as a leader of an organization define what it means to be you who we are Those core values and I did it very early on in the program. We're selfless tough and disciplined.
That's what we are calling selfless tough and discipline Selfless means you put the team first tough means you do what's right. Not what's easy tough I'm sorry tough means do what's right. Not what's easy discipline means you do what you say you are going to do When I recruited the first few people and now who we all recruit at the program Sure, there's certain things we look for guys men and women with military background. Absolutely But we have literally hundreds of applicants for open jobs who have a military background But we interview them or a and or have them work with us and they're not selfless tough or disciplined Selfless tough and disciplined is what gets you hired and or fired at the program That's what I've been looking for and I continue to look for in every single teammate that we have at the program That's amazing.
How many people do you have on your team right now? We have a dozen full-time and then we will use six other men and women that We consider them to be full-time teammates of ours. We treat them like a full-time teammate But as an example, they might be firefighters or they might be policemen or police or you know In some role where they might work 20 or 25 events with us, but they're not truly full-time with us So not 18 but 12 full-time What does an event typically look like for you like when you're putting these together you sit down with with teams whether it's in business setting or an athletic setting What is a what is it? Well, the athletic teams college athletic teams Colin, it's it's very straightforward because there's so many parameters up Around the number of hours college student athletes can participate in things and there's there's so many things that if you're a college coach calling us I can almost just send to a piece of paper that says here.
It doesn't matter the sport. It doesn't matter You know male female whatever. It's just here you go. This is what it is and in by-law It's always a season-long engagement.
It starts with two days of training With corporations though, and I would think that probably most of your audience is from a more you know Listen from a corporate environment for corporations Our flagship service what we're better and I don't hesitate saying this what we're the best in the world that is our experiential leadership development team building training That's what we're best in the world that we call it our leadership challenge That leadership challenge we will do everything with some corporations that are just doing the company off site for three days And they want to do a team building event, but they want it to be more impactful than a Either a ropes course or more impactful than karaoke or more impactful than you know some sort of treasure hunt for something like that, right? They want to get better and So maybe they will hire me to we'll hire the program But I'll be the keynote speaker at a dinner the night before the following morning We'll do our experiential training one of our four different leadership challenges that we we have small as an I'll use one of those for you Uh this summer maybe a team will want to do our small boat leadership challenge We'll take rubber zodiac boats paddles k-pock life jackets pumps and other beer and equipment Out to a resort. We'll have it set up on a beach After my keynote address the night before about leadership and attacking adversity where I show a video about the helicopter crash that my marines And I were involved in I show pictures from mount Everest kind of a typical Motivational speech, but we're teaching there the standards for being great teammates and the standards for being great team leaders The following morning during our experiential training that team has a chance to develop their skills of becoming better teammates and developing better team leaders We'll have say we'll have a 60 person group the number does not matter But just let's say it's 60 people. Yeah, we'll have the boat teams broken up into 10 person boat teams Okay, either the company can tell us or we'll ask for a volunteer boat team leader for every boat team Got you the first exercise that we do out there is boat prep You're gonna get the boats blown up within a certain amount of time We show the boat team leaders how to blow the boats up what gear and equipment they have to use to do so and we set the time standard for acceptable performance They then have to go back to their boat crews explain it to them work on our communication as a leader communication is key We take exception to the term lead by example Everybody always wants to talk to us about this person who works To super human levels.
Yeah, they prepare as best as they can. They do a hundred percent every single day, but they're quite kind of quiet They don't say anything. They lead by example. Stop saying it.
That's a lot We do not lead. I know what the term lead by example starts with the Marine Corps uses it all the time But it also includes yes, you you have to do what you say for other people to do But then you have to be able to effectively communicate it too. Totally that effective communication piece Colin has been forgotten So now it's just well that person leads by example because they work really hard and they show up early and they prepare great No, that's not leadership. That's being that's part of being a great teammate great leadership is yeah But can you get everybody to do it too?
That requires effective communication So in our training after we show the boat team leaders how to do it and what to do and what needs to be done They then have to bring that and communicate it to their boat crews then we start and Usually it looks like a yard sale. There's yelling screaming boats being flipped over pumps going mission and One boat crew who domain have their boat completely inflated within the time limit and they start high five in each other chest bump And each other talking trash to the boat crews around them and then the time and then the time hits and All the boats get deflated and the boat crews that's that's high five in each other saying wait What are you talking about? We have our boats inflated and then we'll remind the boat crew leader remember It's not about your boat being blown up to the standard We accomplish this when all of the boats are blown up to a standard so do your job But then look left and right and help your teammates do theirs too That will be we'll we'll spend sometimes Colin will spend two hours just getting boats blown up until they're blown up to a standard And by the way depending on the physicality of the group that we work with immediately Both don't get blown up to standard. Okay.
Everybody link arms Take two steps out into the water. Okay. Now lean back Okay, now roll over crawl up onto the beach roll left roll right now we're sugar cookie, right? Now we've got sand all over us.
You can imagine now if they're if it's a company that's incredible shape You know we work with you know some younger companies some younger industries I'll use the I'll use a red bull as an example We have the privilege of working with red bull tends to be a younger crowd and more You know pretty physically fit crowd boy. We're able to be now now that we're sugar cookie We're gonna do push up slaughter kicks mountain climbers jumping jacks the bridge or plank, right? We called the bridge other companies man just getting them wet. Oh boy That is way outside of some companies comfort zone and now hey, let's get back on the boats And now we're gonna give you more time Communicate you plan Execute on that plan and we're gonna retry that's what we do Colin That's awesome.
Do you ever find like as you're working with these companies and they're going through these experiences that afterwards Maybe a company leader will we'll look at someone else and be like wow like this person can really step up Or who we thought was the leader isn't necessarily the leader Colin great question and very astute as well because All of our training is set up based on the idea that everybody's a hero when it's 70 degrees and sunny out Everybody is unfortunately. That's not when you need them Colin We need great teammates and great team leaders when it's not Leaders will then start to think like you know what god that person Boy, they do communicate a lot and they do have a great attitude. Yeah when they're doing well Yeah, when we're having a good quarter here But actually when things get tight here when things aren't going well actually I it's actually this person really that I that more people go to that they lean on more and maybe I need to help elevate their Position within the team Absolutely. You again, we can teach people how to be better teammates You can teach people how to be better team leaders in a climate controlled room Yeah, but you don't develop those skills in a climate controlled so true And that's not where you need them the most just like you said Everyone anyone can be a great leader when it's 70 degrees and sunny, right?
On any column on any battlefield. We're talking maybe you know, maybe talking about corporate America here But I don't care whether it's the military I shouldn't say corporate America. We work. We're down in Mexico a fair amount and love going down there It's the same every everywhere on any battlefield whether you're talking about countries, but industry sport Everybody's a hero when things are going well.
Yeah, unfortunately, that's not when you need them What who are your teammates who are your team leaders when things are not going well? I love that. Talk to me a little bit about the book. I mean you wrote this in September you said the program Well, yeah, we wrote it all of 2019 It was published in you know in the September beginning of October.
Yeah, that's awesome What's uh, you know for people wanting to grab a copy of it? What's like the the core message when someone reads the book? What do you want them to take away from and I'm sure there's a lot But is there sort of one thing that you're like I really want this to him? Well, you know, I want to quote and I just heard this and it really stuck with me because it's a very succinct way of Talking about what what we're doing as an organization and coach matt rule.
He was the head coach at baylor football He's not he just got named a new head coach at that for the carolina panzers in the NFL. Okay coach rule was talking out of at the AFCA which is the college football convention inch in In Nashville last week and he gave a really great shout out to the program in our work with them But during that presentation he talked about what he's always looking for in his players is competitiveness But then he said let me define what competitive means to me Competitive means to me what competitive means to me is into us as a team and now what it means to us at at the carolina panzers is You don't ever finish second to yourself Just try to be always try to be the best that you can be what and that was going to mean very different things to everybody And as we discuss in the book and what we're talking about in the book is that our individual talent whatever it is and however much We have it will allow us to achieve something in life. It will allow us to do well Whatever well might mean because individuals and individual talent. That's what that does.
It allows us to win games the proverbial games But great teams compete for championships on any battlefield and great teams are comprised of great teammates and great team leaders great teammates column Consistently meet and exceed two standards. Number one. They meet and exceed the standards of their organization They set the example in everything that they do Number one number two great teammates hold their teammates accountable to achieving it too We appreciate that we all want to be good friends at the program But you go to the movies with good friends and you go to battle with great teammates because by holding each other accountable That's how we make each other the best versions of ourselves and by the way accountability need not be negative nor should it Yes, hold people accountable if they're falling short of the standard make sure we hold people accountable when they are meeting and exceeding the standard as well Great teammates are held to two standards great team leaders are held to two standards Great team leaders accomplish the mission and we we take this We take it as a given and we know it's not always the case But we're assuming that the reader who's in a leadership position is going to accomplish the mission ethically morally Spiritually to appropriately but great leaders are held to two standards number one mission accomplishment number two Did you take care of your teammates taking care of your teammates means as a leader make every decision you ever make With the team's best interest at heart first Well, Colin that idea being great teammates and great team leaders Yes, it's meant for athletic teams Yes, it's meant as the standards as a corporate teammate and a corporate team leader and it's most definitely meant as a father a mother a husband a wife for team cappatula in this case Trying to be the best teammate and best team leader that I can be on the team that means the most to me Which is my family this team this family team that our book we wrote with the intention of helping people do so Well, that's to me. I'm super excited to check this out for people who want to learn more about it Where's the best place everyone can grab a copy and learn more about you?
Well, they can certainly go I'd rather they learn about us at the program than me I've just told everything I've ever done in my life I've just told you're listening but to learn more about us and and to purchase the book They can either go to our website the program.org or you can certainly find our book at Amazon and at on Barnes and Noble Beautiful. Well, I will share both those links to make it super simple Eric I want to thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule educating us man So super impactful to me and I know it is for the listeners as well. Hey, Colin Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
I'll tell you what this is the first one because it's the first podcast I've ever done Okay, the first part. Well, hold on a second I've done other podcasts But this is the first podcast that I've ever done where the guy who owns it used the word shit in the podcast So I like I'm like fired up right now because I always have to I'm always checking myself when I'm getting recorded or anything else. I'm fired up That's what got me excited to do it here today. So appreciate it.
You got to be real. You got to be real. That'd be authentic, man Absolutely. Well, thank you so much again.
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