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From the glow of St. Paul's number one, welcome to another edition of cabin country. Give us the time and we'll take you out of traffic and away from the levee. Let's find the place where the loons call out among the moonlit waves, where the wind sighs among the Norway pines.
Pull up a dock chair, have a sip of your coffee and get a line in the water. This is cabin country. Now here's Bjorn Lloydstead and I'm Fudd Klugman with another woodland escape. Well welcome back to cabin country.
I'm Fudd Klugman. I am Bjorn Lloydstead. And yes we know it's been a little bit of a stretch of time. Highest, a little bit of a hiatus.
Another hiatus. What's going on with you guys? But projects galore, projects galore, like last year, 2022, you found yourself kind of getting involved with a band. Yeah, yeah, a couple of them.
Came out of the way. Still very much a part of that. We get to meet one of the guys who kind of started the band as it were. And David Eppmann.
Yes, songwriter, guitarist, vocalist, and if you will. And he's got a beautiful cabin that his parents own on Lower Gold Lake. Yes, unbelievable. He was kind enough to invite us up.
Right. We all used to love this show called Second City Television. Right. There was a John Candy character, Gil Hodges.
Gil Hodges was a Los Angeles don't you? Anyway, the fishing musician. That's right. And he'd always have rock stars and pop stars on him.
And they'd go to Lodge and do some songs and then they'd have film footage of them out fishing. And to avoid a lawsuit, I guess we won't call it the fishing musician. We've got an open platform, I guess we could say, to the regional cabin country, musicians, poets, artists, authors who also like camping, cabins, fishing and possibly hunting. And give these people an opportunity to talk about something other than what they usually do, which is music, art, poetry.
Right. What do you like to do on water skis? You know, that kind of thing. But you also had a project going on.
It took some time and deserves some air. Let's hear about it. Back in the golden year of 1989, when you and I were gainfully employed at a food joint, a family food joint, we were paper hats and greasy. It was surly cooks in the back line.
That was a year before we built a cabin and my dad's place. Yep. But the fall of 1989, I got involved with some other friends, including Buck Fielding. Or should we call him Ed Brewster?
Yeah. Any one of the things. Yes. Yes.
Anyways, we shot a film in 1989. It was called The Wrong Door. A very low budget mystery suspense thriller. Full length feature.
Feature length. And the notable thing about it, since we had no money and we were in our early 20s and I was at mere four or five years out of high school and we figured we could do it on Super 8. Super 8, you know, Super 8 if you're familiar with it, is the original old grainy, everyday working person's version of making movies. Of course, now our phones have apps on them to try to make them look so...
You like that? You like that? Gradient scratch. That's the phone video.
Look like it. Exactly. I do have that app, but there's nothing like the real thing. If any of you have watched some of the videos on the cabin country YouTube channel, you certainly see some old home movies, my dad's home, of Gramps and Uncle Joe, right?
Upland Gamebirds. Yes, all kinds of cigars. Cigars and Upland Gamebirds smoking cigars. Yeah, that's right.
You never smoke an Upland Gamebird. It's an interesting, interesting, interesting, interesting. We made our film, You Can't Find It on YouTube. I uploaded it just a couple of years ago for the 30th anniversary.
Oh my. At any rate, it's being re-released now on a Blu-ray DVD. Blu-ray. Because for some odd reason, just in the past couple of years, people have been reaching out to me and some of the other guys, there are VHS collectors out there.
They'll collect any movie they can find on VHS. Yes, take a set. Yeah, oh my gosh. And even though we didn't become famous or did lead to any big film projects, we did get it distributed mostly on the West Coast.
And it got into some video stores, even Blockbuster. Right. So it's out there. And we've been reached out to and I sent the last couple of copies I had.
In fact, they were both my parents' copies. Hey, Dad, you mind if I have this? Somebody wants to buy it. Not only are there VHS collectors, but there's a releasing company that distributes low budget films, reached out to us and said, hey, we want to redistribute the right time.
Yeah, for the wrong door. Right. Here we go. Yes indeed.
Knock knock knock. We've been scratching our heads going, do you believe it? Look at this. After all these years, some of these films we made, wait long enough.
Not only are they going to re-release the film, but of course they did the bonus feature additional things like they interviewed us. Sure. We also did some commentary where we watched the film all the rage and made comments mostly like, oh my gosh, you believe that the poetic license we took there? It was a lot of fun.
And I cut together a documentary called Men Make Movie, if not millions, and that title is taken from a St. Paul paper news article that the film critic at the time, Debra J. Kunk, wrote about us. We wanted to get a review of the film.
Yeah. And she didn't really review the film. She kind of, it was more of a process. Look at these boys dead here in the old neighborhood.
Under the glow of St. Paul, number one. I'm one in there. Actually quite literally.
Oh, yeah. I was on set a few times. That's right. I remember seeing the glow of St.
Paul's number one on the horizon. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Full of art. Yeah. Yeah. We shot out there at night and you can see the glowing number one in the background.
Yeah. A little bit hard to see because again, we shot on super age film. It didn't have a lot of latitude for exposing at night. But that was great.
And yes, Bjorn, you made an appearance as a party goer. I was yes. No one might believe this, but kind of a sarcastic, snarky party goer. I know.
It was truly out of care. Stretching was not tight cast at all. Way beyond. Okay.
It's called the wrong door. Wrong door. It's about a scene telegram. Who also sidelines as a scene telegram messenger and he goes to the wrong door.
In fact, it's Bjorn who grabs him when he's at the wrong door. Hey, no, no, you got the wrong place. It's what pleasure looking for us down here. And you even say nice suit because he's wearing a court jester of it.
Kind of like the joker out of the bicycle deck. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, a brilliant costume designed by one of our production assistants who volunteered her time.
Wow. At any rate, it's a fun film and the documentary was fun to put together and it has taken up quite a bit of time early. 2023 here for me. I do recommend that you go and try to find it on YouTube.
It's called Men Make Movie, if not Millions, on YouTube. Maybe you'll find the Blu-ray release at some point. My wife Molly said, you know, you should talk it up. Why not pitch?
You can tell people what you've been up to. Give you a little personal history of Bjorn and I's beginning and we kind of started hanging out more in my junior eyes. Yes. Yes.
Lean in hungry days. And creativity. Built a cabin in 90 and I think your first time up was about 92 with your lovely wife and newborn son. Yes, we had the Bjorn Junior.
Yes, Bjorn Junior was up there in fact. When it came to time to sleep, we let Bjorn in his wife and Bjorn Junior sleep in the main cabin. And my wife and I slept in the shop. Oh, yes.
Frankly, there was that. Don't feel guilty. Go ahead and do it. Don't like the sound of jet skis?
Check out an infant at 3am. But anyways, that began the long tradition of Bjorn and Fudd. You bet. Was that the only time that your wife was up there?
Yeah. Wow. It was one shot. It kind of became like, well, you boys go and do your thing up there.
Yeah. You know, it was kind of handed off. Like, well, you know, I got to see that and that's cool. But you guys like to fish and solve all the problems in the world and drink way too much coffee and go right ahead and do it.
Yes. And we do. Yeah. And we turn that into also film talk and old radio show appreciation week.
And of course, cabin country. Cabin country. And our cabin country outdoors artists. Yes.
I'm not quite sure what we're going to call it. Fish and musicians. Pretty good. But Mike Lean is not a musician.
I mean, he's an author. But you know, we've had John Munson. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
He's a musician. We've also got some other people we're going to reach out to. You know, all the things we kind of like. Music and outdoor stuff and eel pout.
Well, eel pout. Yeah. But, uh, courtly eel. Some of the music you're going to be hearing from.
Yeah, yeah. Fine. Yeah. Fine.
You were part of that. I am. I am. I am one half of the rhythm section.
Yes. I'm the bass player. The bass player. That's so pay close attention to the bass lines.
Because there's Bjorn Lloyd's there. There he is. You know, all his. He's grooving.
It's good stuff. I think you're going to like it. Some calloused wonder. Yeah.
It's kind of like a cabin. It's kind of like one of those lake halls. Beautiful. Yeah.
Unbelievable. And I love the sailboat art motif. Oh, yes. Outdoor art work on the walls.
A big fireplace with a stone. Yeah. A good. Stone, found stone fireplace.
Yeah. The stuff of cabin dreams. That's right. That's right.
We still like our little... The shack has a cabin on the river. You bet. At any rates.
Why don't we introduce Mr. Ebene here? Let's, uh, hear it from ya. Yeah, yeah.
Finds David Ebene. And we are joined today by Twin Cities musician. I'm coming to go away. I'm here and say St.
Paul. Don't forget. We are joined by musician, songwriter, troubadour, extraordinaire, David Edinger, founder, monuments, humanity, and yeah, yeah, fine. The hottest boys coming out of the North at this point.
And musician, lifelong, but he likes camping. And cabins, and fishing. I do. I don't fashion, even see me go.
Good to have you, David. Thank you for having me. Actually, you're having us. We're in the spacious Edinger cabins, as we speak.
Yes, it's kind of blown away. It's quite something to go from the fishing shack. The sort of fishing shack. Yes, my dad's still.
20 foot by 24 foot two room. I don't know. It's cozy and clean. It's got electricity in the shower.
We had it up almost 80 degrees last night. Oh my gosh, yes. Well, we got up last night, and it was about 42 degrees inside, which is cold. And it took a while to warm up in there.
But once it did. Oh, yes. Well, I kept waking up every couple of hours and stoking the fire. And on one of those times I woke up, I saw that you had gotten rid of your sleeping bag.
It was like, no. All right, all right. You have to warm up enough now. So, it's got water.
But David's place here. So, it's your parents? Absolutely, correct. Yes.
It's beautiful. It's on lower gullible. So, you can look out the windows, the porch windows here, out of the dining room, and just see a huge expanse of clean water. No water.
No water. No food. Now, you said there was your family, part of the family, hail originally from Brainerd. Correct.
My father being from Brainerd, he had actually family further north that came to Brainerd from Fulton, Minnesota. Wow. Now, where's Fulton? Fulton is close to Fargo.
Okay. North, what's going on? I'm living on the border there. Yeah.
And Canadian climates. Yep. Yep. Absolutely.
And so, yeah, actually it was fascinating because I ended up going up there three or four years ago to kind of visit the cemeteries of where my kind of great greats were from and spent some time up there because I had a friend that was up there as well so we went together. Sure. A lot of them came down to the Brainerd area to start their families. Okay.
Is there any kind of like businesses or here or anything? At the time, yeah. So, at the time when my father was an only child and my grandfather, his father, had was running a pharmacy in downtown Brainerd. Right.
And so he had done that for quite a while and then eventually my father moved down to St. Paul and my mom. Right. The rest is history.
Absolutely. I would always have to ask if there's an old pharmacy in the family where they're making things like phosphates and green river shelves. Yes. Yes.
Yes, there was a phosphate bar that they would run. Oh. It was a big deal back then. You know, that was kind of the precursors to mass produce soda.
Yeah. And you go on Green River. Interesting. Interesting.
I'm not that big a lime fan. I think it's actually where the sink, Claire broiler used to be. Yeah. Kitty corner there on the drugstore.
They used to, I think they still do. They do. Yeah. Phosphates.
Yeah. Yeah. And they got an ice cream counter and 5 cent coffee. Yeah.
At least that used to be. Yeah. I think that's, that's might still be their thing. Yeah.
Yeah. It was good, good stuff. Yeah. My kids loved that place.
Yeah. I didn't do. It's, it was always a fine place. Oh, you can see it.
And have an ice cream. Yeah. Wonderful. The regulars sitting there at the bar drinking their coffee.
Absolutely stuff. But then once they kind of got really fancy, I'd have a, they do the French where they put the like the cream in. Oh my. And then really kind of jazz it up.
Jazz it up for sure. We showed up and David, you'd already told us about your, I'm going to talk about all things music. Yes. Really we need to know what your favorite lure is.
Yes. Yeah. Go ahead. So mine is the daredevil.
All right. I have a particular color scheme. Yeah. I loved the kind of the banner of the white and red.
Yeah. Class of the white. Just kind of my all around favorites growing up. But size, kind of a smaller version.
I would say it was a medium size. Okay. And didn't catch too much with that particular lure. That's always love to use it.
Kind of interesting shape to them. They move strangely going through the bar. Yeah. You know, unique on the Gulf River where you're at there for the, it's a weed rubber.
Those travel hose are weed grabbers. Yeah. It's very weedy on the Gulf. So we, we have to cast in the middle of the channel if we can.
We have a dock that goes right, we're just 15, 20 feet away from where the channel is. So it's a great fishing spot actually. Yeah. So you cast your daredevil zippets right before it gets too weedy.
I was always keen on the kind of like blaze orange hammered copper. Right. Yeah. It's just, I never found one with a little daredevil head on it.
Yeah. Yeah. Like the daredevil head. Yeah.
Of course we're going through old tackle boxes. Oh yeah. You and I both found. Old old old old.
I think even our friend Mike Leon commented on the right, you know, stay away from the knockoffs, which your dad had a few. I did had a lot of them. We went through the orange tackle box and found some old daredevil's like black and white and green and white still in their plastic. Zayer Shoppers City.
Oh sure. I'm familiar with 75 cents. Yeah. Never taken out as they must be used.
Never used. Maybe 80, 85 cents. Not yet. Not an old fucking half or so.
But daredevil was your favorite fish that you caught most often or that you liked to catch the most? So I mean, the one story that I really remember quite well was when we were over on the other side of the lake out on my neighbor's dock. It was just this awful storm with just, you know, white caps and everything. I had nothing on my hook and I was just doing it for the leisure and I caught a large mount bass.
I had that mounted in Brainer and is hanging on my wall mount down in the city. So that was when I was probably around 10 years old. Wow. Was there a weight on this David?
How big a fish are we talking? Oh gosh. I mean, for me back then because I thought it was just enormous. I would say it was probably about five pounds.
That's a good size. Yeah. It's a delicious pass. Yeah.
Nothing on the hook. I was just blown away. We usually are go to or either Nightcrawlers or leeches. Yeah.
Yeah. And so yeah, that particular day I had nothing going. Wow. It's impressive.
I did something similar with the neighbor's dock at one point on the white fish chamber. It was, I think my dad was just trying to get rid of me. Right. And I had a neighbor friend up with me and why don't you guys take this can of corn.
Oh. And your zebco reels over under the neighbor's dock. And it was, I have no idea why they had like an eight section dock going away. Yeah.
I didn't know this long skinny lake because I was like, that's almost hazardous. Yeah. You know, if people are water skiing or whatever, but yeah, it went and went on and on and on. And so we stood out there on the same kind of deal and I humid and gross and grey and steamy and the weather was starting to get funky.
But with whole corn nibblets and hooks, we got into a school of sunfish and it was just one after another after another. And I know it's a dad. We're keeping them all. You're going to clean every one of them.
He said, absolutely not. Oh, I'm right. That's genius on the corn though. That's a little.
I guess it was. Yeah. My dad shared a story in a recent episode of ours where he was with my cousin dog at the culvert, which is just a spot of back bay up on the Gulf River that goes into a back lake, red fox lake, I think. Oh nice.
They didn't have worms or ran out and my cousin dog used a dandelion and caught a sunfish with it. Wow. So there you go, depending on hundreds of guards. On a past episode, a couple of years now we got, I tried featuring a cigar button.
A cigar possibility. Or something. There's a Japanese lure company online that offers a top floor. That's a cigar.
That's a cigar. Nice. Yeah. Wow.
That's unusual. They're biting on cigars. You know? Yeah.
Oh my. Depends. I can't tell. I was a roboosto.
Right. A Connecticut rapper. Wait, Churchill made it for a musk. Well, looking out again at this beautiful lake, I guess.
What's it? I'm asking this is somebody who's had like a five mile strip of a river to go up and down. Right. We're like, well, we're going to spend the day and we're going to go to the other side.
No, it's a great question because what we end up doing is we just kind of start out and take the whole kind of coastline and go around. Okay. For two reasons. The first being is that we like to look at, you know, the cabins and the different styles of wave to people.
But also, I don't know the full story behind it, but back in the day, this could be part myth. But there's a huge rock pile if you were to go straight across from where we're at and on the other side. And it's laid out in buoys unless you're really familiar with the lake. I mean, you could easily hit the propeller with it.
Right. That's what you do. Absolutely. My serious damage.
Yeah. So that's another reason why we've kind of been doing that every year. It's on all the lake. Yep.
It's on all the lake. And this is officially lower goal lake, right? And then gull lake is over some more. It kind of looking out at the lake where we're at, it wraps around to the right.
Sure. It goes a little bit more. And eventually you get to some restaurants like Bar Harbor and Zorba, which will then take you into Margaret Lake. Okay.
And then if you keep going and take you to like Niswah Lake, sure. I know that also this part is also referred to as Dutchman's Bluff. Dutchman's Bluff. All right.
So yeah, I like that. It's a really cool name. I'm trying to figure out how I can utilize that. That's rich.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like a song title to you.
Right. Exactly. There you go. Yeah.
That's a lot. It's going to have power out on the Dutchman's Bluff. Yeah. So yeah, it's part of the reason why we kind of go around the coastline area.
I had something very similar happen on a fishing trip with my, I always refer to the guys as my sort of my surrogate grandpiler. Okay. Live kitty corner from us. Yeah.
And fun. You've heard the stories of, in fact, you've used the man's bamboo rod. Yes. You're the hunter of fishermen the whole bit.
And from the, on Alaska, Wisconsin, the cross on Alaska and Cooley country, as they like to call it. But he and my dad and I went to kind of mid northern Ontario way back in the day, by 1977. He was kind of on these flying things with the flow plane. Oh, for sure.
Huge. Huge. Like back bays and main water and more back bays and all this. I had its own waterfall on it.
I mean, it's crazy. We saw moose. You know, there were wolves. I was like, wow, man, this is for real.
Um, horrible fish. Unbelievable. And they kept talking about you're never going to believe it. They're just not leaping into the boat.
Well, not leaping into the boat. No, but, uh, fridge full of lard. Yes. Unplugged refrigerator full of old blocks of lard.
They sent you out. Every group went out with at least two pounds of lard because you're going to use that to murder fish, of course. Mop water. And this refrigerator was unplugged.
Oh, I don't know. Any power to the cabin. They were sure they made unplugged. And, uh, it was like filled with old pounds of lard.
I was just like, don't open that refrigerator. Don't let it go. Yeah. But, um, yeah, we're flying along through the middle of the lake at one point and no buoy snow markers or nothing.
I say flying along. It was like a 16 foot fishing boat with a five horse. A wild two adult men and a teenager. And, uh, but out in the middle of the lake hit a column of rock.
It just came, it was like six inches below the surface. I mean, right out, it's like being out in Minnetonka or white bear or something. Yeah. Right out there is this huge basalt column coming, you know.
And I was like, why did they not mark this? Right. But it's like we stopped dead in our tracks. The motor started making a lot of interesting noise.
Yeah. And I had a 75 year old man in my lap. Yeah. And we now had a, I don't know what you would call him, top floater lure stuck in his thumb.
He was just like, oh man, they were both hot. You know, dad and Kenny were both just like, what the heck was that? I don't believe it. Yeah, that's awful.
I have a song interesting. I remember we left the place and we kind of let him know, you know, the one motor didn't work and both boats leaked and the guy flew the plane said, yeah, it's nothing. Both my pon teams leak on the airplane. So no way about it.
All right. Well, you see that in flight? Yeah. I'm glad we got off the lake.
Yeah, something else. But if I do, you look like you're about to say something. Well, I'm just curious again with the, with the, uh, lake and kind of going around the shore and everything. Are you familiar with the depths of most of, at least in the year part of right?
Yeah. Lower gull here. You know, I would say that our dock is out 30 or 40 feet. Okay.
And then at that point when you're standing, it's about five and a half feet, right between here and where Ernie's is, there's, uh, I believe it's owned by like some park over there, where it's just always preserved. Oh, okay. Um, and I remember like we'd have like one of the depth meter, uh, and you could not get anything. I mean, it was so deep.
Okay. Yeah. And then I guess back in the day, I don't know if you're familiar with a place called the quarter deck. Sounds familiar.
Yeah. I think maybe because you were talking about it. Okay. Yeah.
Or is it the lore? It's in that region over there. And, um, in that area, you can't get a reading on the deep, deep, yeah. Wow.
So yeah. And that's if you're moving slow too. I don't know if you're moving too fast. Even if you're going, if you're just like kind of just trailing long.
Okay. Yeah. It's, it's hard to get a read. Wow.
Interesting. Fairly well versed. David in the Niswa area. Yeah.
But now we're lucky enough to have a Sue Scott and Tim Russell on from here. I'm companion. Yeah. And Tim Russell talks about going to a family cabin on lower column.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know what that's at? I know where it's at.
I've not been there, but yeah, I know where it's at. Yeah. All right. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Can't be too far from here. No, no, I would say it's about 16 minutes, 15 minutes.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Interesting.
Yeah. Yeah. Plenty of lakes in the area. Yeah.
Yeah. So, just driving, you know, it's October 15th today. Right. Just to be specific about what time of the year and.
It's nights about. It's a hunting season. There were deer all over the place. Yeah.
This is almost like a refuge and all the cabin properties. Yeah. What's the story with that? We came in here.
I was like, there's deer everywhere. What's going down, man? What's this all about? It's, you know, one of those things where, I mean, ever since we've had this property, there have been deer occupying that particular area coming in, but it's, you know, it's a no hunting zone area.
Right. And they come in, we have a couple of foxes every now and then they'll come, you know, down in the summertime and play around. And at one point, I think about three or four years ago, we had a coyote that was probably me a little coastline here. Sure.
But yeah, I mean, we'll get all types of little creatures right down here, but specifically deer, they do pop down and even in front of the cabin, we'll see them walking around. They get pretty comfortable. They do. Around the island.
Yeah. Absolutely. The coyote. Now, did you, did anybody in this little area of the lake get kind of freaked out and called the DNR?
Like, hey, we got coyote here. No, I mean, at the time, so. Right. Right.
The coyote had come from the back of the truck. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at the time we had actually, we were waking up, it was the morning and our dog, Chucho, he wanted to go outside.
And when I looked outside, I saw that there was a coyote and it was already kind of walking in the water and was coming out. And the paws were like, you know, what? Yeah. Yeah.
And so kept them inside and waited until that to come. But that was the first and only encounter that I had had with a coyote up here. Right. So well, my neck of the woods, which is also your neck of the woods, we've seen several coyotes running down the streets.
Yeah. Yeah. And the walls come from a whole, a little glow of St. Paul's number one, very close to Minneapolis border.
Yeah. And the neighborhoods called Highland Park and they referred to it in a local paper is the coyote. Oh, yeah. The coyote.
And Saudi said, well, I got noose for you, there's more than one coyote. And if you got one, you've got a bunch. You do. They're probably down by the river, hanging out.
That's exactly. I mean, because our house is about four blocks from the river. So a lot of them will come and walk the streets and learn around. Sure.
But when COVID happened, I would say about maybe six months after that, we started getting deer walking in front of our house. Right. Because of the kind of the acclimation of them. Yeah.
and cars and all that. It was just like they got closer and closer. So yeah, that was a first for us. Harold Place, we just moved away from recently, but I remember watching when I thought it was somebody's great dane.
Yeah. Leap defense and come running up the street towards our oddly enough Halloween block party. Yeah. The street day.
Close top and I was like, man, that's a big dog. Right. With eight points. That's a buck.
They just got a flubai and I had a neighbor who was way into that holiday as a time to fester in his lawn and dress up like a... No, he was always decked out like a Hogwarts professor with a hat and a moon glasses. Yeah. I don't think leaped over his fence and drew his...
Oh. And he had a tiny little yard. It was like half parcel and they went over his fence and threw his yard over again down Montreal, down Davenport, and I'm sure he headed back to the river. Yeah.
But I was just like, that's a great thing. That's a great point. Great thing. No, that's a buck.
Okay. Weird, weird, weird, weird. I think we ought to take a short break because I see that the rain recorder is down to one bar. Oh, thank you, John.
We'll take a minute. Yeah, we'll take a minute and come right back with David Everett. Excellent. We take you now to a National Forest of the North Country.