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It's not just like oh, I saw light and sky Well, thanks for telling me that doesn't matter my life in this right away This is all humanoids and it's for the time period 1900 to 1929. So a lot of old-school stuff I'm imagining there's gonna be a bunch of fairies It's like whoa do this to Ross and then I get to end in there like and they were only nine It's just all I'm like oh dang it man Nick and Helena Thank you so much for giving me this book for my birthday You guys are gonna be our captain or pilot this episode if you guys can't swear to patreon if you guys can't find me birthday presents That's fine, too Just helps read the word about the show that really really really helps out a lot now Nick and Helena I'm gonna toss the keys up into the air you guys fight over who actually can grab them first Let's hop into Jason jalopy. We are leaving behind that rabbit man. Take us on out to Florida As you're driving out to Florida, we're gonna stop off first at North Carolina Specifically Winston Salem North Carolina on June 28 2022 and Winston Salem at a Target store There was a confrontation.
There was four people involved in this you had a guy walking through the store And he was confronted by three other dudes and you know, you know words were exchanged the guy He fell he was a danger man a danger for life and he starts slapping at the three dudes It's like one on three and three dudes keep coming. This is in the store By the way, this is like by the toothbrush aisle and then the dudes I go No, I'm so scared and he pulled a gun out and he shot one of these three dudes and then they took the gun from them They did a little like I give it a gun They took it from the dude and the three guys took off running, right? You're like man, how scary would that be right? Like you're just walking through Target and then three dudes confront you and you're like, oh dude I better start shooting now.
I totally give that right three on one you can fear for your life that happened And that was pretty much the tone of a lot of articles covering this crime But let's look at what really happened and we'll see which we'll see which side you pick now you pervert Huh? The guy being assaulted was the victim. Oh, you're sick. I'll put listen into my podcast But that is the way a lot of a lot of news articles reported this story what happened There's a group called dads against predators and it was these three dudes who lure I have a heart I'm saying that word So it's gonna make it sound like I have some head injury slash French accent.
They would lure men Generally, so they were shot to catch a woman, but I don't know if this group did but these type of groups anyways dads against predators they they go online and they pretend to be underage girls and then They say hey, you want to meet up and the dudes like oh, yeah, dude. I'm told scum. Oh, dude I'll totally do that and then when they meet up generally at Walmart I watch a lot of these channels on YouTube. I'll be sitting there eating dinner and they'll be like, but I'm not a pervert Let me show you these chat logs.
What it is is they lure them to a public place and videotape them and go your child predator You're so sick. You're a big old gross dude and videotape and then they post it on YouTube for me to watch while I'm eating chili beans That was this group dads against predators and there's a ton of these groups out there There's dozens at least that are active That's against predators. We're talking to a 25 year old man And they got him to come to this target and when they confronted him he slapped the because they were filming him They're like, what's up, pervert? Huh?
What's up? You're here to meet this little girl He slapped the camera slapped the camera phone out of the guy's hand a scuffle broke out And so then this dude pulled the gun on shot the guy he's referred to the 25 year old guys refer to as the victim multiple times Even by the police and I'm like, yeah, okay. He did get roughed up by three dudes. He was the first guy to slap He's also to join me with little girl Right like it's so weird to read these articles and yes I guess you might actually he didn't she didn't get shot the only thing he did was get harassed and then he hit somebody and they Started beating him up and then he shot somebody and he's the victim This is and you know what's so funny So you can find a lot of articles about this and we're missing some key details We don't know how old the fake girl was generally.
It's a teenager generally. It's not like I'm six type of thing Normally, it's like between the ages of 12 and 16. That's the ones that I mostly see online the girls don't actually exist We don't know how old the girl was right, which is weird the news article though I have a couple articles in the show notes You'll start to see the first ones are like dads against predators were luring this dude I'm assuming the news reporter could pronounce the word correctly Well, they don't see other articles where it's like have her through the article they set it up and they're like Yeah, this guy this poor guy was at Target and he got jumped and then have it through the article They're like yeah, the people who jumped in more from a group called dancing and spreaders So they'll build it up like look at this poor guy So this could happen to you, right? The reporter is a big pervert So he's like let's get out of any of us and everyone else is like no, it only happened I mean sure I guess anyone could beat a bit of Target But this guy specifically got roughed up Oh, and they were like they're like article to be like we don't know if they're gonna charge them in with robbery for stealing that gun You're like, what are you talking about?
This dude was here to meet up with a kid, right? Now listen, I understand like there are people who go These people aren't legal professionals the groups called dads against predators were creep catchers a group called creep catchers They're not legal professionals. They're not law enforcement nothing like that I totally get that and they say well They can falsely accuse people of doing things. Yeah, they could like I can totally see that ruining somebody's life, right?
They can say that they're actually in danger in active police investigations into these pedophiles I don't believe that because I don't think that the police are actually they're obviously these YouTube I mean it is catch after catch after catch if you can have a YouTube channel with 140 videos and you're just in your Town the police are not doing anything about this and that's what all of these groups say they're like we're doing this one because We really love that Chris Hanson show to catch a predator But to like obviously if we can catch these many people then law enforcement is what active investigations am I interfering with? You're not doing it I shouldn't be catching anybody I shouldn't be catching anybody now when I watch these channels I prefer to watch the ones and it's boring and I'm not saying that I watch the first five minutes sometimes I'll skip past it But you need to post the chat logs because otherwise I'm taking you at your word that this guy is as creepy as you say There are some channels where I just do we'll just walk up to an Arby's restaurant and be like hey, bro You're a pedophile and they'll be like what they're like you were trying to meet up with this 14 year old girl And he's like what oh, no, I wasn't I was just trying to be friends with her and stuff I'm still gross. It's still gross It's still gross But I'm thinking like if they're the chat was shows some of them will show screenshots of the chat log so you can see how gross They are I would be taking you at your word when you go You're trying to meet up with this girl and she said this and you were being all perverted and stuff like that There's a lot of groups like perverted justice that will put all of the chat logs online So you can see how gross they are right? I don't want to get all the details you can even blur out the grossest stuff But show me you've done some investigations But anyways you have a bunch of these groups and they're actually starting to get taken down like I actually was looking for this video because they put Post this stuff up this group called dad's against predators.
We're putting on their YouTube channel the video of them and the target I couldn't find it apparently they took their this is always a bad bad thing They took their spiciest videos and put them behind a patreon paywall So join our patreon and then you get access to all this additional content apparently it looks like patreon shut them down So all that content's gone. They didn't back it up. It's all gone and their YouTube channel is no longer any of the stuff They have a podcast where they sit on the couch and talk about I don't know if this is all they talk about looks like they have a guest and stuff like that They bring they bring up their files. They're like, yes, meet me at my house come and talk to my two big brothers I don't know I don't know what they're talking about all of their catches I couldn't find them on YouTube anymore creep catchers creep catchers.ca was so big they had their own theme song It's dope you want to talk about like a battle wrap if you want to talk about a diss their theme song is amazing I might play a little snippet for you How much I want to go through the fight of copyright violations and stuff like that It's a good song Every day But there I can't find them anymore I think creep catchers Ca is gone like their website's not even pulling up So there's a couple that are selling YouTube I know because what I'm in my feet all the time But you have to like the question is is like are these groups doing a good thing and yeah You could go they could ruin people's lives people get falsely accused all this stuff That just happens with all enforcement, right?
The real police can falsely accuse you the real police can throw you in jail and ruin your life and all that these people are just putting you on YouTube So what's the difference? They'll be like well This guy committed suicide when he ran into one of these groups and he got caught and that sucks dude I'm not like promoting that at all but people do that when the real police and this is why Vigilanteism happens right because the real law enforcement isn't covering us and if you want to talk We were talking all last week about the percentages of people who believe in stuff like the elites in Hollywood is Has a human trafficking child trafficking thing? It was like if I remember correctly like around 30% of Americans believe that one of three Americans believe that the media Establishment and the elites of America have a child trafficking reads So the read some of these articles in the show notes of how they talk about this Dads against predators group they these news outlets are all saying the same thing the man What the man who shot them was a victim. They do not give his name out.
They never say this guy's name Generally when someone opens fire in a public place, they're the criminal Regardless of what led up to that, right? If someone had a really really bad day at work and shot someone at a target shot in the lake that guy's name is going to be in the media They don't give a guy's name. He's referred to as the victim There was a news report WFNY news. They did a news report.
It was five minutes long It was not until three minutes into the news report They kept saying this man was lured to target by these people They were lured to target by this group. It's not so three minutes into they say they thought they were going to meet a juvenile child a juvenile girl Three minutes into a news report. They're just like yeah, this horrible group just got this poor innocent guy to come there And he had to shoot these people. It's the most bizarre Like this is why people believe those conspiracy theories They're actually going against you can listen You could hate vigilantism and you could hate dads against predators or any of these groups But I wouldn't not call the other side a victim and anyone else who pulled out a go Who started the fight doesn't matter what what words are exchanged a second Whoever throws that first blow that's a criminal act sitting there and calling someone a pedophile In a public location that would get you like a misdemeanor, right?
That's disturbing the peace. That's nothing Well, I mean, it's a lot so much. It's calling you a pedophile, but yeah And so this is why people believe stuff like that because we see stuff with our own eyes Right, so yeah, this is the vigilantism is filling that hole It's insane. I'm curious how where you fall on that right like do you support digital vigilantism?
I think that it can have its place and it can go too far But to say we can't have any of these groups because one time this guy got falsely named They were talking about this one they falsely named this police officer They approached this police officer and said you're a pedophile. You're a pedophile And he's like what no, I'm not doing and they're like that wasn't the right guy But then the report ends with it them saying the police did arrest another one of their officers for solicitation of a minor so they didn't have a cop who was doing this they just got the wrong guys So maybe he was using a fake name, but it's so weird But the reason why I wanted to tell this story wasn't just because I am curious vigilantism doesn't have its place in society I was wanted to talk about this. This is an interesting story another interesting thought experiment for you Nick and Helena busting I'm gonna go and attach the keys to the carpenter copter. We're gonna leave behind North Carolina, we're gonna take the carpenter cop to the rest of the journey.
We're headed all the way out to Florida I'm hoping we get to the near-death experience story in Chile, but I wanted to hedge my bets and give them some carpenter copter time This was a weird one. This is a really weird one and this happened over the summer A lot of you guys know I went to California for the summer I hang out with my family met some old friends and just this was a weird this story I've been waiting to tell you guys and I was kind of waiting until it got closer to the end. It's a weird one It's a weird one because again, it makes you think What would you do? Down to Sacramento.
I grab lunch with an old friend a good friend We went to this place called Twin Peaks off of Howe Avenue It's a place where not where the cherry pies delicious and it's full of memorabilia from the best television show ever made No, it's a place where all the waitresses wear bikinis and they serve you the least serve you delicious bar food So I'm even my buddy and he goes how you want to go to Twin Peaks I was like of course who doesn't so we go to Twin Peaks and we're sitting there We're getting our food and stuff. I got a place of order and he goes There's like this moment, right where I watch my friend. We'll call him Jerry. My buddy Jerry Sit across from Jerry and there's this moment where he kind of does that side-to-side look All right, he's looking to see if anyone can hear us We're crowded restaurant all the waitresses are walking around wearing bikinis Not the most secure place to start talking about serious subjects But it kind of does a side-to-side look and then he goes dude you won't believe what happened to Kamal Kamal is Jerry's best friend best friend They've been friends for at this point.
It had to have been 20 years, right? One of those super long super tight friendships. Come on I've personally met Kamal maybe three or four times But those three or four times Jerry who's a good friend of mine would come over to my grandma's house Or I would stay sometimes I'd be living with my grandma sometimes I'd be hanging out with my grandma Sometimes I would just drive her to my grandma's house to get some soda, right? And so because I would bring my friends over there.
We've done episodes about me bringing Josh and Jackie They're like please don't put us in the story, but This is a dark one Josh and Jackie would come over to my grandma's house. We'd hang out and we this is where we would get so does the replenish get our diabetic powers back I've done stories about living there with my haunted backyard and everything like that Every all my friends at one point or another in Sacramento have visited my grandma's house So it wasn't unusual for Jerry to come over to my grandma's house and for Jerry to bring Kamal And Jerry is a very very good friend of mine, but I've only met Kamal maybe three or four times like in person. Hey, buddy What's up? So we're sitting there he does that side-to-side look and he goes Kamal got arrested Now again, we're all old at this point, right?
I'm 46 on Tuesday. My buddy's 50 and Kamal's 50 So we're all the men at this point and so of course I had to what in the world What could this possibly have led us to this point and this is the story Jerry tells me he goes listen me and Kamal We're best friends. We talk on the phone when we can or sometimes on the internet in Facebook or whatever once a week And we've been doing that for like years Because Kamal moved to Florida. They would talk every single week make a little bit of time out Maybe it's five minutes and minutes whatever to talk.
I mean best friends. I don't even do that to my best friends Talk to my best friends every week. I'm really bad communicator But a week every week every week they would talk to each other and he my buddy Jerry goes listen It had to have been in like January of this year 2022 in January a week goes by Kamal doesn't call Now you can't guarantee that it was every single week, right? Seems like every single week and if you can't call send me a quick message email whatever he goes But come all didn't call no email nothing and then another week goes by Nothing Jerry's starting to get worried right?
He's talked to this guy continuously now. It's two weeks He can't get a hold of the dude. He's like actually calling now sending messages out nothing three weeks go by nothing So my boy calls up friends of his in Florida Like mutual friends people who know both him and Kamal goes hey, what's going on? What's going on?
How come is everything okay? Like I'm all gonna hold him you're nothing like that and the friend go I don't know that that that is weird Kamal's always talking to you. Let me find out I'll go snoop around see what I know put my ear to the street So that friend apparently went to Kamal's apartment complex Kamal's not home That's one of the neighbors. Hey, where's Kamal at?
Kamal's not home one of the neighbors goes. Oh, yeah Couple weeks ago bed showed up kicked down his door ran inside guns drawn. He's under arrest Kamal Was trading child pornography online? He has this stuff on his computer apparently and he was trading it online And at one point he traded it with an FBI agent They scooped him up and I'm sitting here at this twin Peaks restaurant I'm talking to my friend and he's telling me this whole story And I'm just like I mean you just have more questions every time another piece of this story is revealed like what in the world What in the world and I'm not one of the questions I asked was was he always like this?
You think he was always a child predator. You think he was always into the stuff and Jerry kind of looked at me kind of Took a deep breath inside and he goes. I he says I just think he got into some really degenerate stuff Which is possible, right? There's two types of people who look at child pornography There's people who are child molesters and that's the type of pornography they prefer and then there are people who go down this pornography rabbit hole Where they just can't get off unless this stuff gets more and more degenerate It's it's a crime either way.
It doesn't matter if you're robbing the bank to buy meth or to pay for your grandpa's funeral It's still a crime It doesn't matter if you're a child molesting freak or someone who's watched so much porn and becomes so degenerate You're watching it, but you're like I would never actually do it. That's not the point you're watching what you're watching is a criminal act And I always have to take the time out to say this I know a lot of people when they go oh child point What was it some 16-year-old girl who's pretending to be 18? That's not what this type of stuff is I was always under that impression to that Oh, it's some 15-year-old girl who looks older, right? It's like someone who looks like she's 18 and no this stuff is like nine and under generally That's the type of stuff that's being viewed I don't know exactly what this dude had what Kamal had on his computer But it wasn't enough for the feds to bash down his door and take a minute gunpoint and I remember I'm sitting there Obviously wasn't the best meal anymore, right?
It's like now the food can take a while to get here It's probably not gonna taste that grand because my buddy Jerry was was grappling with this all of this still if I remember correctly It started all like in January of February of this year and now we're in July and we're sitting here and he's still talking about it with the same Pause's and the same emotional tug-of-war inside of him that I'm sure he was going through in February March in April and you know He's still coming to his best friend got caught with these images on his computer And it's interesting because there's two other ways to look at this is one is we're old men Kamal is 50 years old. I don't know his last name I can't pronounce it Kamal is 50 years old and federally when you commit a federal crime when in your in possession of child porn It's five years of mandatory minimum per image So I don't know if he had a hundred images I don't know if he had ten but unless you have a good lawyer that can really wrap it up and do a plead deal and sometimes that happens, right? He's looking at a minimum of five years minimum if he can get all of these combined into one crime But see the thing is to is that's where possession. He also traded it.
Apparently. He was passing this stuff around I said earlier this season. I go when you're a 20 year old man, right? When I was 20 years old stomping all over Sacramento getting fist fights It was like I was a kid in a candy store fine over candy whatever ten years in prison.
Whatever. I'm 20 I'll be out when I'm 30 like that's kind of your attitude right first I mean you're ever gonna get caught but secondly you think I beat someone up and sure you don't really do ten years unless it's like Second degree manslaughter something like that really beat someone up I spend a couple weeks in jail year whatever It's really bad a couple years in prison doesn't matter. I'm gonna get out. I'll be fine When you're 50 The idea of spending five years in prison There's no way right you're not institutionalized You didn't go in and out of juvie as a child and then in and out of prison when in your 20s You're totally living a civilian lifestyle now.
You're in prison for five years, and here's the thing will he get five years Let's say he got let's say he had five images on him Which I think would be the minimum for the FBI to kick down your door five to twenty five years is the sentence you're looking at And here's the thing so he's not in jail right now. He gets sentenced on my birthday October 4th is when he's going to find out how long he's gonna have to spend in prison and it's funny Because Kamal committed this crime, right? He did commit this crime. I feel bad for Jerry Because he didn't commit this crime and Jerry has to watch his best friend Go to prison he understands why he has to go to prison and I've been thinking as I'm looking forward to my birthday Like I do every year Kamal will find out on my birthday How long he will spend in prison and this is where the letter comes in Kamal's dad Called up Jerry over the summer and said I need you to write a letter to the court Telling them what a good man Kamal is They have those letters that you write that you are able to present to the judge and say listen These are all the letters from community leaders.
These are letters from members of the church These are letters from friends and families and employers showing that my client is not just these crimes That called up Jerry and said I need you to write one of these letters for Kamal I asked Jerry. I go. Did you write the letter and he goes? I don't know if I'm going to And he's struggling with this decision.
I don't know if I'm going to Do I write that letter what he did was inexcusable? It's his best friend It's his best friend and his best friend's dad is calling him up and saying can you write my son your best friend? Can you just write a letter saying that he's a good person because you've had experiences with him for over two decades? But the crime is so awful If he had gotten into a bar fight and smashed a bottle over somebody's head and sliced their face up and they lost vision of one of their eyes You'd write the letter All right.
It's a good guy. He has an out drinking problem, right? But these are all the other experiences I had with them. He was driving down the road drunk Slams into a Subaru in front of him killing kids sitting in the back seat on their way home from soccer practice You'd write the letter horrible accident horrible horrible accident and there's no way that he can give back the life that he took but I've known him for over 20 years He's more than just that But when someone has a collection of images on their computer that they've obviously been hoarding collecting and giving back out trading, right?
Distributing how do you write that letter? It's fascinating. It's fascinating when we think about that if it was someone who snapped and killed people if it was someone Who was drinking our drugs and killed people it was someone who robbed a bank And killed people I keep using that as an example you would write the letter But this crime is so gross Do you write the letter? It's so fascinating because I hung out with Jerry a couple times on my vacation and sometimes we would talk about this and sometimes we wouldn't, right?
But it was so fascinating because so Kamal's 50 Kamal's father's in his 70s Man, it means 70 years old and everything going pretty according to plan and then you find out your son just got arrested for I mean, it just it's the people on the sidelines that I feel bad for Kamal did what he did and he needs to pay for that And here's a thing Jerry knew the stakes Jerry knew the stakes he thought about this a lot There's a big difference when you're 50 between five years and 20 years But I don't really I understand that as a period of time. This is the difference between me and Jerry This is the difference between somebody who has a family and somebody who I have a family But I don't have my own family. We don't have children and stuff like that when we're talking about the sentencing and that's coming up He said it's the difference Five and 20 years right this time period to me a five years in prison with Sock and 20 years in prison with Sock You'd be getting out when you're 70. He saw it as a different way He goes it's the difference between whether or not you can attend your father's funeral.
Oh my God That's true. So I'm not a family man. I don't think of it that way Jerry is see and to him that was the big thing Kamal's dad is going to dine a very short time period, right? It's not a threat.
It's not a threat But if Kamal gets 20 years, then he'll never see his parents again When you go into a federal system when you get arrested as a federal crime They can ship you anywhere in the United States But even if his parents do come to the prison that he's at and they get to visit him He'll never be able to hug him again. He'll never get another kiss from his mother He'll never stand at the site of his father's death bed Holding his hand Think about that. It didn't even occur to me He may in fact if he got 20 years never even be able to visit his father's grave one day he dies in prison himself And that's a weighty decision, right? Because Jerry's thinking should I write this letter?
Could be the difference between whether or not Kamal gets to go to his father's funeral Can I remember shortly before I left to end my vacation when I came back up here? I was hanging out with you I think I hung out with the Jerry a total of like four times, right? We would go over to his house and stuff like that. I asked him, you know, we're getting close to the end I go did you write the letter and I told him too I said before I asked him because again like I needed to know on a narrative level, right?
Because I already had established I go I have to tell the story on the podcast So as my vacation was winding down, I asked him did you write the letter? He goes he couldn't even lift me in the eyes and look down and he goes in half Now, I don't think it would have done any good anyways But at this point I'd actually done research on these types of letters I don't remember them but they're called off the top of my head with these letters of reference or whatever it is Personal character character letters character witness letter and I go they actually can do some good They actually can help the judge see the defendant in a different light and he just kind of goes I didn't write it and so we wait We wait until October 4th on my birthday Jerry's best friend is gonna find out how long he's going to spend in federal prison And that's a whole other Psychological battle going on, right? I was thinking I was going listen if I'm out and I'm free And I know on October 4th. I'm going to walk into a room Surrounded by armed guards and someone is going to tell me how I'm going to spend the rest of my life whether it is five years in A federal prison 20 years in a federal prison 50 years in a federal prison Do you enter that room?
Because he pled guilty he has the files on him all of that stuff Do you walk into that room knowing you're not walking back out for a minimum of five years Do you go on the run? They paid the bail right that money would be gone You go for a run and hope they never find you do you spend the life as a fugitive? Do you just kill yourself Do you just end it there the unknown the Undi I can't I can't imagine being in that situation, right? I cannot imagine being in that situation, right?
I was with my buddy Billy when he he was in court right my cousin Billy when he went to court And I sat there in the courtroom and they gave him 17 to life for murdering that guy He stabbed the guy to death with the steak and I really stabbed him once but he just went right in and was hard and they just killed the guy Over they were having some sort of disagreement I mean that was rough, right? But again, like you're like he murdered someone that totally sucks Whenever you have the L at the end of a sentence he may never get out But at that point he was already arrested. He couldn't play bail. He was on trial for murder So he didn't have any choice but to walk in that room But if you had a choice if you're out free and you know on october 4th You're going to walk into a room with armed guards and a judge is going to tell you how long you are going to spend in prison.
There is no zero years Do you walk into that room? Fascinating. Sorry, right? It ends next week Well ends in a way The sentencing will happen Kamal will find out how long he's spending in the federal prison system For a completely avoidable crime For something he did to himself There's so many moral questions involved like I haven't even touched on how the parents must feel about this whole thing, right?
Imagine being in your 70s and getting that phone call from jail your son It's insane, right? It's insane and it happened like I've learned about this this summer We've been recording all these episodes since the since I came back, right? And I've been wanting to tell this story because it's such a close-up view of a true crime story You know standing on the outside I'm looking in but I'm looking at one of my really really good friends struggling over simply putting pen to paper Because how do you defend this? Can you even defend the man?
Can you even separate the man from the charges and something like this? So fascinating. I'm lucky. I did not have to make any decisions like that I'm very very lucky that I didn't have to spend the past couple months thinking about whether or not I would write a letter To defend someone against such heinous acts because your first thing you know a lot of people listening to this would be like No, of course I want to write a letter that's disgusting But I've never been placing that situation and I hope that I never am I'd be shocked obviously if I was just like Jerry was shocked but So just a fascinating story and yeah on the day that I'm sitting there eating my cookie dough ice cream cake from Dairy Queen Opening up my presence He's going to be walking into a room full of armed guards and finding out how his life is going to end While I am celebrating my birthday Kamal is going to be finding out if he can attend his father's funeral Deadrabbaradio at gmail.com is going to be our email address You can also hit us up at facebook.com slash deadrabbaradio to talk is at deadrabbaradio Deadrabbaradio is the daily paranormal conspiracy and true crime podcast You don't have to listen to it every day