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An entire island of Girl Scouts sounds like probably the most uninteresting place most of us could ever imagine to be trapped. But to the spirit of one woman, it's her only hope of finding some sort of peace. And a bunch of thin mints. And then we travel to Ashland, Oregon.
To take a look at the story of a young woman who was out walking her dog late at night. This young woman always considered herself a very practical, pragmatic, logical person. But when she senses an unknowable danger, staring at her from the darkness, she has no idea what's coming next. Today on Dead Rabbit Radio.
Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Rabbit Radio. You're host Jason Carpenter. I'm having a great day. I hope you guys are having a great day too.
I hope you guys are having tons of fun. Doing whatever you're doing to the birthday presents are still rolling in for your favorite podcast host. I'm sure Mark Merrin might be his birthday too, but I'm talking about me. I'm talking about me.
I'm still getting him in, and someone who just sent me a very deadly birthday present. Walking into Dead Rabbit Command right now, everyone, give it up for Kristina Belk. Woo-hoo, yeah, come on in. Kristina, she's sitting there, she's juggling knives.
This person who listens to my podcast, she says she's been listening to my podcast for quite a while now. A couple years, decided to buy me a knife. Buy me a Smith and Wesson combat blade. Now we shouldn't blame Kristina for my upcoming injury.
Okay, no, no, I'm playing her. I did put it on my Amazon wish list, and she sent me this amazing note saying that her roommate, Durg Groberman. That's a long time listener. I remember Durg Groberman back in the day introduced me to your show a couple years ago, and I've been listening every day since.
Kristina Belk decided to buy me the knife that I one day just put on my Amazon wish list and make anyone would ever get it's a wish, right? I already dropped it. And I almost impaled my foot. So thank you, Kristina Belk, for buying me the weapon of my upcoming massive injury.
Kristina, you're going to be the captain, the pilot, this episode. She also said she loved the vehicles. You guys can't swear to Patreon. You don't have to buy me a weapon that I'll injure myself.
I put it on my wish list. You can't swear to Patreon if you can't buy me deadly weapons. That's fine, too. Just help spread the word about the show.
That really, really, really helps out a lot. Now, before we get started, I do want to say this too. I don't like having a lot of intro stuff in the beginning, but it's super important. The Dead Rabbit radio YouTube channel has once again been suspended.
And listen, it's YouTube's thing. They can do what they want. They really wanted this video down. It was the episode I did about aquarium gate.
And originally, they said I was promoting violence. And so I appealed it. And then they said I was being a cyber bully. So they just didn't want the video.
I have a one week suspension. I can't upload anything anyways, but going forward, we will not be uploading the podcast to the YouTube channel. We're going to keep all the past content there. It was an old episode.
That episode came out probably about two months ago. All of a sudden, their AI didn't want that episode up there. I also say I think it was a lot about AI control conspiracy theories, but they don't want it out there. Fine.
They took it down. I got a strike. It can't upload for a week. Fine.
Whatever. That's their right. But I don't. I'm just not going to upload to YouTube anymore.
It's going to be strictly a podcast. And what we're going to do, we're going to see how this works is I'm going to put up a note each time an episode comes out. Because I still want to talk to you guys. That's why I like the, that's really the main reason why I uploaded YouTube.
So we can talk about the episode so I can see your comments and get your feedback and I can talk to you guys about stuff. So we're going to see how that goes. But no more episodes are going to be uploaded. I'm going to lean more into the TikTok as far as anything.
And then I'll probably upload shorts, but YouTube may nuke it because of the shorts as well. I really want to keep it up to do live streams, but I'm not going to. It would suck if it went, I'll be honest. It would suck if the YouTube channel got taken down completely because that's four years of conversations between us.
That's the episodes you can find anywhere, but the comments and the conversations we've had and the last and everything like that, that'll be gone. That'll bum me out if the YouTube channel gets taken down completely. But going forward, no more full episodes on YouTube, but they'll still be available everywhere else. We'll hear them.
Hopefully we can get a little community post that we can comment on. We'll see how it goes, but I can't play by the YouTube rule because YouTube rules are super strict. We can't talk about blood. We can't talk about killing or murder.
That's all you ever talk about that in diarrhea. A lot of true crime YouTube, to avoid the filter, they'll say stuff like he unalived her. I'm not going to do that, dude. I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that. People will say he raped her. Just say rape, dude. I'm like, if you're going to talk about the subject, say kill, say rape.
I won't play by that. And I'm not a cyber bully. Okay, there might be a couple of those that you can say. Anyways, I'm not going to play by the YouTube rules.
Those rules are set up. Those are valid rules for them and many, many other content creators. We're not going to do that. I don't want to water down the podcast so I can just be on YouTube.
I want to be a podcast. I want to be a podcast talking. We'll be talking about it. Sorry about that long intro, but I can tell Kristina's getting bored.
She is getting ready to throw that knife at me. Kristina, let's go ahead and toss you the keys to the Jason Jett. We're going to leave behind Dead Rabbit Command and take us all the way out to Lake Yosemite. Jason Jett is rumbling across the West Coast, splitting the blue sky in half.
Leaving controls. You didn't know that. You didn't know that, Jason Jett. We also lease out to the US government to drop Kim Trails.
We're headed all the way out to Lake Yosemite, which is in Merced, California. Beautiful lakes, like all lakes are. I don't ever think there's an ugly lake. I'm going to be able to prove me wrong.
You're like, oh, here's a lake of raw sewage. Okay, you're right. Lake, none of the raw sewage would prove me wrong. But I think that's a fair thing to say that Lake Yosemite is beautiful.
I've never seen them sure it's beautiful. But anyways, it was many decades ago. Many, many decades ago. So at like 50s, 60s probably.
It was a hot summer. People are like running along the beach in slow motion. They think they're sick. They're like, why can't we run fast?
They're running along the beach in slow motion and there's probably like a dude sitting there. I'm assuming in any beach. I'm like, guys, I'm sitting there. And then you have a mother and her two young children enjoying the hot summer air.
And then jumping in the cool water into that real kind of combining of the elements. Splash. Look at me. Mummy.
I'm swimming. One of the kids says the mom goes, that's the best swimming I've ever seen. And then the other guy goes, I can swim better than that. Splash.
The mom's like, yeah, the first one is better. A mom and her two kids go swimming. And these two kids, they kind of like they're adventurous, right? Super adventurous.
They go, why don't we climb to the top of that boat tower and jump off of it into the water. No, I don't think it was like a, I don't know how tall this thing was, right? I think a boat tower, I think a boat tower, which anyway, the key detail of the story, I don't look at that way. A boat tower I'm assuming is some sort of tower.
You guys can't correct me in the YouTube comments on this. I can say whatever I want. A boat tower, I believe, is probably some sort of structure near a pier, right? So anyways, it doesn't matter.
These two kids climb up a boat tower and they go, mom, look at us, we're King and Queen of the World, one of them's a girl. And they both jump off of the boat tower, but they didn't realize the key detail. The water was really shallow where they were at. So when they jumped off the boat tower, the first kid smashes his head into the rocks and instantly breaks his neck.
Like, that's how shallow the water is. I don't know how they didn't see this. Maybe the boat tower is pretty tall, or maybe they're idiots. And the second kid also, this would suck, right?
You're at the top of a structure and you see a dude jump off. You know, a couple seconds before you do, right? And you're jumping off to and now you're seeing him fall. Now this point is probably like four or five feet ahead of you.
And you watch him splash into the water and then see his necks now. And you have about, you have about point eight seconds before the same thing happens to you. That would be the worst, right? I've always said being eaten by a cannibal isn't the worst thing.
The second person to be eaten by a cannibal is the worst thing. Because you can watch the first guy get pooped out of the cannibal. That was a very specific cannibal related episode. I can't believe YouTube doesn't want to show up there.
It would be bad enough to smash on the water and break your neck, but to be the second person, like watching that guy break his neck and be like, I don't know. Anyways, I don't know what the order was. The mother was, besides herself, obviously, right? She just saw her two children jump into the water and snap both their necks.
Well, she is like, totally freaking out. People see this and the authorities are alerted. This was decades ago. So someone had to go find a pay phone.
I'm sure it was when you're by. I don't think they're like on their speedboat and went back to shore. But the authorities showed up. And by that time, the kids had floated away, had floated away due to the current of the river or the lake that were in.
I don't know why the mom didn't scoop them up immediately. Maybe she was so terrified. Anyways, the kids floated away and the authorities get there and they never found the bodies. They never found the bodies of these two kids who broke their necks in the lake.
So for years, the mother, the respondent, right? She watched her two children die in front of her every day, they say. She would go to this lake and she would walk around being like, kids, where are you? Kids, kids.
And she would walk around the beach, not expect your kids to say something back. Just want to find their bodies. You want to put their bodies to the rest, but you can never find them. And people say to this day is you're driving down old Lake Road late at night.
You may see the phantom of a young mother walking down the street crying out for her children. Crying out for children. She couldn't even find in death, which is a creepy component of the story. That's not all.
We're still going to hang out of the lake because there's another even creepier ghost story here. But obviously there's an element of urban legend to this. We don't have specific names. It's like we don't know when this took place.
La la la la la. We've covered these. These are the ghost stories that kind of border in the urban legends. But there is something particularly terrifying to think like the children.
And this seems to be, I never thought about this before because I come across this a lot in ghost lore where you have a lover die or the children die whatever in this area. And then the forelorn woman is walking around looking for her lost lover. He's head got blown off to the Civil War and she went to the battlefield. She couldn't find him.
And now her spirit still walks around or in this case. And this is a very popular trope as well. The kids dying the mother's still walking around the house or walking through the forest or at this point walking down the shore. Looking for a lot of children.
And you think it's terrifying that they don't even find the spirits in death because the kids died. It's not like the kids are still alive. They just swam to the other shore. They're like, we're going to have a new light together.
The children died in this location. The mom's looking for them in this location, but she still can't find them even though at this point they're all dead. Now, obviously, this is that type of ghost that could be just a recording, right? Someone's in so much misery.
Someone has so much heartache that they soaked the environment with their psychic residue. So it's not a ghost you can interact with. It's just a ghost walking on the street screaming for her children. But then there's also the option.
This one's a little, a little scarier. I think in ghost lore, there's an idea of not having a fulfilled your mission on earth. Having something you've always wanted to achieve and not being able to achieve it. The children didn't have that, right?
The children broke their necks and they're like, well, that sucked. I'm supposed to go to Tommy's birthday party tomorrow, but whatever. I have a broken neck. What am I going to do?
And then they go to heaven. They don't have these long drawn out heartaches. And I don't know what to do without my kids, blah, blah, blah, because they're the kids, right? So they both break their necks and they have a race to heaven.
Look at me. I'm the fastest angel around. Go back, Bobby. I'll leave you the fastest.
They go to heaven. But the mom never went to the afterlife, right? The mom is so torn up about losing her kids like that. This isn't a therapy podcast, right?
But had she accepted the loss and moved on, maybe she would have gone to heaven. That's super. Super not nice. I'm trying to make the right word for it, right?
That's super not nice. But you know, like the fact that callus was the word I was looking for, she could have accepted that they had moved on. And then when she died, she had moved on herself. You know what I mean?
Like had she accepted it, maybe her spirit would have moved on as well. That's actually now that I'm saying that's super callus, right? It's super callus. But in this particular event, not in any other event, not in anything you might be going through.
It's it's it's it is like had she accepted that and moved on. I'm not like found other kids. Actually, that's a good segue for our next one. Let's go ahead and take myself to a bigger hole with my brand new knife.
Kristina, let's hop in the dead right of robo. We're going to row, row, row on out. We're still at Lake Yosemite out to Girl Scout Island. Splashy splashy.
Row in those oars all the way out to Girl Scouts Island. Now it's called Scouts Island. Now it's no longer Girl Scouts. So I don't know if the police council are finally allowed there.
I don't know if the war has ceased. They have made peace on this island. But Scouts Island, if you want to check it out now, again, we have a story that goes back very urban legend as far as the lore goes. We don't know when this took place.
We don't know the names of people. But this one this one has an interesting twist to it. Back on back in the let's say the let's update this one. Let's say this back in the 90s, right back in the 1990s.
A mother and her daughter were at Girl Scout Island and while all the other Girl Scouts were asleep and I'm assuming the Scout Masters is that what they're called Girl Scout Masters. When the Girl Scouts and their masters are asleep. This mom she goes, Hey, you know what? You know what?
Dear daughter of mine. I'm so good raising yourself without breaking your neck. I'm going to reward you with a trip a moonlight stroll in this row boat. I happen to have.
The mother and the daughter get in the row boat and she's rowing out into Lake Yosemite and a whirlpool appears. The water starts going around and around and the boat starts spinning around around. They didn't see this. Apparently this is something that can happen naturally or not.
A whirlpool just appears. Her soul is down there. She's like, Oh, yes, more kelp. More kelp for my army.
A whirlpool. A whirlpool appears and the boat starts spinning around and the daughter flies like falls out of the boat. Ah. And she gets sucked in by the whirlpool.
Now this whirlpool is so like strong. It actually flips the boat as well. Now the mom is swimming in the darkness. She's screaming for help.
Her daughter is under water. There's no marriage badge for how to survive a whirlpool, right? And she's trying to rescue her daughter, but she can't. In the darkness of the lake, she can't even find her.
But eventually she does. This is one where she didn't turn into kelp. She didn't turn into a piece of seaweed. Her body simply floated to the surface.
But the mother also was still completely freaked out about this and through the rest of her life was always looking for her daughter, right? I mean, she knew where she was. She was buried in some sort of cemetery. But I think the point was she was crazy.
No one was like, hey, I know you're really looking for Margaret. You might want to go down to Clear Valley Green, the cemetery she's buried in. No, she would walk around Girl Scouts Island looking for her daughter until she died. And now she's a ghost on Girl Scout Island.
So today, this is how the ghost story goes. And modern times, what will happen is you will be sleeping in your tent. You can rent out this island for like 50 bucks a night, but it says you have to be a kid. Like they're like kids.
You have a credit card. It has to only be for like kid slash scouting events. So we couldn't do it. That would be dope to rent out an island.
That's pretty reasonable. 50 bucks to own an island for a night. Like Jason, you don't get to build a house. Build a house in one night.
But you know, like just camp on an island for 50 bucks. It's you in the hotel. Anyways, I'm not a scout. So I can't do it.
But the Scouts can. 50 bucks a night. That's not super reasonable now that you think about it because you pay 50 bucks. And then you fill it with as many scouts as you can.
I'm just on standing up. You can have hundreds of them on the side. Anyways, I put my master plan into the side. You have Scout Island.
And they'll say late at night when the Girl Scouts are sleeping in their tent. And a ghost of this mother will peel back the tent with her fingers and stick her head into the flap and look, look in your tent, looking for her gutter, they also say that she'll play with the girls hair like she'll brush the girls hair while they're in the tent and sing them songs. Which I can imagine if you were a kid if you weren't a jolt and your tent unzipped and a ghost stuck their heading, your tent, I imagine just everyone immediately would run out through the ghost, you'd have to plasm all over you. I don't think you'd be like, I'm gonna see where this goes.
And then she crawls in, she's brushing your hair. Saying you're like, Jason, that sounds way more pleasant than running through a ghost woman and getting covered in ectoplasm. Here's my theory with this story. There's a real issue in the ghost community where I believe, because we have seen this, we've seen psychics make this mistake a lot as well.
You'll have an actual haunting, you'll have an actual ghost in an area, and then people go, where did this ghost come from? Who is this ghost? And they will make up a story. They will fill in the details.
So they'll say, we'll just ghost. Looks like dressed in Pioneer Woman's clothes in the middle of Nebraska. She's in this old house. Let's see what we can find on the family records.
Oh, a woman died in this house back in the very close that I say I already forgot. Pioneer's out. Pilgrim walks in, big old hat, buckled shoes. And you go, oh, that, he must have died on Thanksgiving Eve.
He didn't even get a slice of that turkey. We make up the details and we'll put together kind of like shoddy research and things like that. We tell a story. So when this ghost woman is sticking her head in the tent, we don't have the name of the woman who this happened to.
We don't have the year. We don't know when this kid died. All this stuff. So it's possible that there is a ghost on Girl Scout.
This is also possible. This is a make up story to scare Girl Scouts and to go and it's late. But if there is a ghost on Girl Scout Island, unzipping your tent and sticking their head inside, the idea of her being a mother who lost her kid, we don't know if any of that's true. We've seen this before in ghost stories where people make up the past.
This might be some crazy perverted woman ghost, like who had some horrible hair fetish and a singing fetish. They always wanted to be on American Idol. Who knows? You think it's like, oh, a loving mother who lost her daughter.
So now she's going to play with your daughter's hair. But if you were like walking on the street and somebody walked up to your daughter and started brushing her hair, you would be like, dude, get away. And you're like, whoa, my daughter died. I just want to brush your daughter's hair.
You'd be like, okay, that's horrible. And also your remaining ex stay away from my kid. Like even if the origin story is real, it's kind of creepy. But what if this ghost just has like this weird like Girl Scout hair fetish or something like that?
Like who's to say that that's the actual backstory? And they either don't know or you want to tell a kid that, right? So I was like, hey, I saw a ghost in my tent last night and I brushed my hair to the cup of master, whatever they're called. We'll be like, that was a friendly ghost.
That was a friendly ghost. And just let's not screw up anymore because they will know there's a big old pervert ghost. Who knows, right? It's probably the first one.
It's probably a mother who lost her daughter. But I read that and I go, who knows? Like, isn't that creepy? Like your tent gets zipped up and a woman sticks her head and then she's looking around in your tent.
And like, what if she just really has like some insidious backstory, like some horribly dark origin? And you don't know, you go, oh, that's just a kindly mother who lost her daughter. And you're like, you want to come in her tent? And she like, slowly walks in.
I mean, I guess this is probably what her creepy origin story may be, the worst she does is brush your hair. But maybe she does a bad job. Maybe you have all these knots in your hair. You're like, ah, ah.
And she sings terrible songs. You're like, oh, no, no more Clay Aiken, please. Kristina, let's go ahead and toss you the keys to the world famous carboner copter. We are leaving behind Girl Scout Island, bumping a little Clay Aiken ourselves as we're flying out.
Take us all the way out to Ashland, Oregon. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Hi, the friend, long time listeners of the show know I have a friend named Sabine. We hang out a lot.
But it's funny because we couldn't be more different as far as this subject matter goes for this podcast, right? She is super pragmatic. To the point that I think she completely ignores things, like evidence, evidence stuff. I imagine when Fox Mulder and Dana Scolie were doing assignments, Fox Mulder probably got really, really irritated at Scolie a lot because like an alien would be like shooting with lasers.
And she's like, I don't know. They could just be mirrors. And it could be the sun bouncing off the mirrors. And the sun could have put a baby in my stomach and then abducted the baby.
Scolie, come on. Like obviously there's aliens and ghosts and stuff like that. You see it every night. And I'm not that irritated at Sabine, but it's so interesting.
We went to go see that movie, The North Man Together, which is like a fantasy film. I expected it to be like a historical drama, like 300. But no, it's a fantasy film where the characters like the great Norse gods actually have their fingers in the plot. They're doing things.
And at one point, this old woman gets wrapped up in the intestines of a man. Like she's literally like suspended from the ceiling like a yo-yo. And I was like, oh, dude, Odin doesn't mess around. He really wanted to wrap up that old witch.
It was a witch with organs. And she's like, oh, must have been a guy who did that. I was like, what can I possibly have done that? There was no one around to do that.
The star, The North Man, Charles North. He also had a sword that he got from a zombie that could only be pulled out of its sheath at night. I go, well, how did you, didn't you think it was weird that every time someone tried to pull it out during the day, it wouldn't pull out, but then at night he could pull it out and kill a bunch of people? And she's like, I can't get into that part of her.
At least she's like, I don't remember that. I don't remember that key line. So she's super pragmatic. But that's the type of person Sabine is super pragmatic, super practical.
Now she also says her house is haunted. So she believes in ghosts. And she doesn't take like human medicine. She takes like thorn whistle and like peacock juice or whatever, you know, like all that hippie, dippy, homeopathic stuff as well.
So she believes that hippies can apparently cure pain even though Western medicine can't. She believes in ghosts, but she doesn't believe in monsters. She doesn't believe in wizards. She's like chasing out and believing that stuff in here.
Now you're on the further extreme. Super pragmatic person. And really throughout her life, you know, she says, I live in a haunted house. But other than that same claim, no, I don't think about it.
I guess she's not that practical, but at her entire life there is one story that she simply can't explain and very, very terrifying experience. Let's go back to the year roughly, we're back in the year 1998. So Bean is a 22 year old woman and she decides to take her dog Sage out for a walk. And where she's going is the Ashland Dog Park, which is located on Briggs Lane in Ashland, Oregon.
It was a full moon out. So the landscape was completely illuminated. And Sage was this big giant white dog that she goes, she just glowed in the moonlight. This big giant white dog, she told me the breed, but I don't remember.
It's like a yellow lab mixed with the similarity in or mixed with something else. She's mixed with the one ring. I forgot what she was mixed with, but she's this big giant white dog. And Sabine and Sage go out to this dog park.
They have to climb over a fence. She rode her bike out there and they climb over this little fence. And they're not supposed to be there until they're not dealing with there. But they're at this dog park and Sage is out just kind of doing what dogs do, having fun in the middle of the night.
Now Sabine was out there for a little bit, right? 10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes. She's not entirely for sure, but she was out there for a while, right? Sage is running around.
And then all of a sudden, Sabine feels something. And she's standing there in the darkness, but the full moon is completely lighting up the entire area. She feels something out there. So being begins to feel that her life is in danger.
It's a full on from like zero to 12 right away. She's standing out there, just enjoying some time with her dog and all of a sudden, she 100% is under the impression that something is watching her with the intent of doing her harm. It's a full on, I'm about to be attacked. The landscape is completely illuminated.
She's turning and she's looking everywhere. And she can't see any movement. She can't see any silhouette out of place. The only location where she can't clearly get a good view is there's a creek nearby.
There's like a little goalie and there's a creek. And she immediately goes, whatever wants me is down there. It's down there because that's the only place that I can't see. And I clearly know that something is in this area that wants to do me harm.
I feel the caveman-like instinct of survival against some sort of unknown predator. I feel it. I know this is gonna happen. And while she is processing all of this, Sage begins to feel it too.
Sage is a good guard dog. Sage has always been there. It's getting in between Sabine and some sort of threat. It's a brave dog.
If it sends something was wrong, it was right there. But for the threat could even get close to Sabine. So when Sage picks up on this threat, full guard dog mode activated. She watches Sage as he begins to snarl, showing off those massive mighty dog things.
Okay, nice, actually. Here's what they're called. But what strikes her as odd is that Sage doesn't immediately run out towards the creek. Because that's where the threat's coming from.
There have been times where she means to walk with her dog. And Sage will take off, go to a bend in a trail. So it means like, what, what, what, Sage come back, come back. And then eventually two hikers walked by and were coming in the opposite direction.
And Sage ran off to be able to eyeball him before they could present a threat. Like Sage will go to head off an assault. But Sage didn't immediately run off towards the creek and that struck her as odd because she knew that's where the threat had to be coming from. There was nowhere else around her where someone could be hiding or an animal could be hiding or anything.
What Sage begins to do is patrol. He begins to walk in this very, very wide circle around her, growling, snarling the entire way. It's a means watching him walk in this giant circle and that's when she realizes this isn't coming from the creek. He would have been out there.
He would have put a stop to this or he would have made sure he was there between whatever it was in her. But he's on this large circular patrol. She realizes, whatever this is, this isn't at the creek. Whatever this is, Sage doesn't know where it's at either.
Sabine's watching Sage make this large patrol and she's thinking, could it be a group of people? Like, what could this possibly be? Like, why does he keep moving around me like this? Is there a group of people, a pack of animals?
But at this point, there's still no visual on this threat. Now, obviously I have a giant white dog may kind of make someone a little more cautious about coming out to you. But where's it coming from? If it was a human Sage would have been right there.
If it was an animal Sage would have been right there but he's walking this patrol. And then Sabine begins to notice that this circle is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Sage is still ready for war. A snarling and growling and gnashing its teeth, ready to scare off anything that comes too close.
And if it keeps coming to rend flesh, but the circle is getting smaller and smaller and smaller, Sage is worried, Sage has no idea where this threat is coming from. She's getting as close as he can to his master. So being still standing there trying to make sense of this until eventually her great protector, this dog who has stood between her and many threats throughout the years, is rubbing up against her legs. The circle has become so tight, he's literally just turning a quick circle, right around her legs, he's rubbing up against her and the snarling has turned to whimpering.
Sage is terrified. He doesn't know what it is. He doesn't know where it is. But he does know he can't protect Sabine.
So Sabine realizes this situation has completely gone out of control. And yet she doesn't know what the situation is. She stands there and she says to Sage, when I say run, buddy, we run. Sabine yells out, run.
And within an instant, both her and her dog are barely full force towards that fence. She has to open it up. Sage runs out, she hops on her bike and they both head home as fast as they can. I talked to Sabine about the story.
I find it so fascinating because other than the fact that she says there's ghosts in her house, she is super practical. I mean, like if you ask her about aliens, she'll be like, yeah, she'll be like, yeah, she'll be like a big place or anything like that. But as far as like alien abductions, as far as monsters or wizards or anything else that I talk about on a daily basis, she's like, she enjoys the stories, right? She enjoys the story, she enjoys the weirdness, but she doesn't really believe it.
And she's a very practical, logical person, and she grew up in a very practical, logical family. So when she experienced this, I've asked, like, what do you think it was? And she goes, I don't know. She goes, but I know this.
It wasn't flesh and blood. It was not flesh and blood. I don't know what it was, but if it was something that was alive, Sage wouldn't have reacted like that. Now I could keep throwing out stuff as like, do you think it was a ghost or a thing?
She's like, I don't know, I don't know what it was. But this is very telling though, because even though when she went into that moment when it was going on, she was still thinking, this is some sort of physical threat, i.e. a human or an animal, but as Sage's behavior got more and more odd. And she started being able to check off every possible thing it could be.
And it came to what it, as far as her logical brain would say, couldn't be. I said, I go, you were looking around to see if you could see anything. I go at any point that you look up. And she says, I mean, almost, I don't want to say like ashamed, ashamed, but there was kind of like an odd emotion when she said this, I go, did you look up?
And she kind of paused and she's like, yeah. At a certain point, I looked up. Because obviously a logical person wouldn't think there was a UFO floating overhead, right? But when she had run out of options of what it could realistically be at a certain point she looked up to see, I go, what did you expect to see?
She was, I don't know, but I looked up. It's a fascinating story. It's a fascinating story of an event of someone who really doesn't believe in any of this stuff. Ghosts, sure, but some sort of like demonic force or some sort of creature cryptid, something hunting you through the darkness, right?
Aliens, this kind of second day, but most people believe in ghosts. It's like 70% of America believes in ghosts. But when you start talking about aliens visiting Earth, the percentages get much lower or cryptids. Monsters really existing against very low.
Especially monsters that can do you harm. Likeness, monster people will be like, sure, Bigfoot, maybe. But when you're talking about some sort of creature in the darkness that can hurt you. That's far, percentage wise, far less likely that people believe in that.
So it's like, that would be where I was at. And it's funny because I'm a friend of her, so I'm able to ask her these questions. They said, what would you have done if Sage wasn't there? She goes, you know, it's interesting because do you listen to that, that feeling that you're in a dangerous situation?
Some people do and some people don't. I mean, she goes, there's the chance that I would have had this overwhelming sense of fear, that grifter from the moment she first sensed this until she was on her bike racing away from the dog park. Like, it never abated. She was always felt like she was in her thread.
She goes, if I wasn't there, I might have just written that off, right? If I have, there'd be no reason for me to be there. She actually said she goes, why would I go to a dog park and laid it not by myself, Jason? I go, well, just saying.
And she goes, if I wasn't there for Sage, there's a chance that I would have just ignored that feeling. But when she saw the dog also having such weird behavior, now it's definitely real. Dogs don't have a sense of imagination. They don't have a sense of wonderment or fear of the unknown, the dogs reacting to a definite real sensation.
It's not an anxiety attack, it's not paranoia. The dogs reacting to it. So what was that in the darkness? Who knows?
But the story may not end there. November 19th, 2011, about three miles away from this dog park, there's a bike path. And really, they kind of intersected a lot of points. Like you have the creek that kind of cuts through this entire area and the bike path is along the creek at one point and the dog path is by the creek and you just kind of have this creek moving through this area.
November 19th, 2011, there was a young man named David Grubbs, a 23-year-old retail employee walking along this bike path late at night near this same creek, was attacked by something so viciously, it almost completely severed his head. There were no defensive wounds. He was found the next morning by someone also going down this bike path. He was laying down and they thought maybe he had fallen down and gone to sleep until they got close enough to realize that his head was almost completely removed from his body.
He had no defensive wounds. They have no idea what the murder weapon was. They say it was something longer than life. Originally, they thought it might have been a sword.
They've also thought it was a machete, possibly they just don't know what the murder weapon was. To this day, this murder has never been solved. Now, if you're in a big city, you're like, that doesn't even make the newspaper anymore. Big cities have multiple murders a week.
2011, this guy was murdered in Ashlyn. The previous murders, there was two of them. They were both tied to these people going insane. Ashlyn had two previous murders in 2004 and the murder before that was in 96.
So Ashlyn Organ is not a place that has a ton of murders. It's where the Shakespeare Festival is. The murders normally only take place on stage. And the police, they don't know who murdered David Grubbs and they've actually looked at someone who took the Renaissance Fair too seriously and attacked David with a sword, with a medieval sword.
Or it was some crazy actor, right? Killed him with a sword. Or they don't even know what to sword. They keep saying it was a long blade.
They were even looking into a link that he was a big part of the online gaming community surrounding Assassin's Creed. I was like, I don't know, there was a thing. I mean, no Assassin's Creed is a thing, but I didn't know there was a gaming community around. It's not really multiplayer, but they're trying to figure out what, who killed this guy?
It's an 11 year old case. They don't know who killed him. They don't know how he was killed. And they say it was a big dude.
They go, this wasn't someone you would think would be picked for just a random murder. But yet here it is. This young man nearly decapitated by what, according to news reports, seems like just one swipe. Didn't even know it was coming.
Now some might say it's, some might say it's tasteless to combine a real world true crime story with a bizarre event that happened a decade earlier, two decades earlier almost, right? Some might find that insensitive. Some might find that cyberbullying. But that's not the point.
The point is is that what is in this area? Like, I guess it is insensitive because I'm gonna start saying a ghoul attacked him, but is it the same thing? Is there something in this area that kills, right? That it's not a guy with a sword, it's not a guy with a machete, but it's something far darker and really even more unexplainable than that.
Like what happens to Sabine? What was something that could scare such a logical person? What could be out there? Like what could be, what could scare a logical person?
And it's not even that. Remember the dog was reacting to it as well. It's such a terrifying story. And I don't know if the two are related, but they very well could be.
They very well couldn't be. But the fact that you had someone experience such a dramatic feeling of dread and doom and fear and the dog felt it too and the dog didn't know where the energy was coming from, didn't know where the threat was coming from. To the point that eventually it laid down it's a mantle as protector and just wanted to leave. What could possibly do that?
Is it the same thing that could decapitate a man in one surprise strike? I'm curious if there's other events like this out. No one else has gotten their head chopped off, but I wonder if other people have also sensed this dark energy in this area. And have maybe told the story to their friends and their family, right?
Sabine doesn't have a podcast or a newsletter, nothing like that. She would just tell this story to people. She's never reported this to any ghost hunting organization or anything like that. So are there multiple stories?
Are there multiple encounters of something like that out there? I would love to find out. And is it possible that when Sabine felt that terror and she had that dog with her and she could see that the dog was also sent in that terror, that got her to leave. But David walking alone, when he felt that fear, he just said, I'm just being paranoid.
I've walked this by trail a hundred times. I'll be fine. What hides in the darkness along the Ashland bike path? Who knows?
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