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EPISODE · Mar 30, 2026 · 1H 5M

Ep145: Dealing with the next pandemic 1- border closures and vaccine mandates

from Pomegranate Health · host the Royal Australasian College of Physicians

While waiting for COVID-19 vaccines to be rolled out, Australian jurisdictions adopted strong social restrictions to minimise community transmission of the virus. It’s estimated that together, these public health measures spared around 50,000 lives up to December 2022 and that vaccines saved three times as many again. While this public health response the pandemic is described as one of the most effective in the world it did cause unintended social harms and lingering resentment. Our leaders and community need some sober reflection on how to we might respond to the next such pandemic respiratory virus. Over two podcasts we look carefully at the how the cost-benefit calculation stacks up for each of the major interventions. In Part 1 we discuss the international borders closures and overcooked parochialism between state jurisdictions, and also how messaging around vaccine risks and mandates could be improved. In Part 2 we look at the controversial stay-at-home orders and interruptions to in-person schooling and even the evidence for faces-masks. Ultimately, there are some questions that can’t be answered scientifically, and it is for politicians and the public to decide what the cost of freedom and dignity against human lives left exposed. Part 1 Chapters6:46 Border Closures35:04 Vaccine Hesitancy GuestsProfessor Paul Kelly FRACP (Australia’s Chief Medical Officer during the pandemic) Professor Catherine Bennett PhD GAICD (Deakin University; co-author of the “COVID-19 Response Inquiry” ) Professor James McCaw PhD (The University of Melbourne; modeler for the Federal government’s “National Plan”) Lorraine Finlay PhD (Australian Human Rights Commissioner; lead author of the "Collateral Damage" report) Production  Produced by Mic Cavazzini DPhil. Music licenced from Epidemic Sound includes ‘End of the Ocean’ and ‘Raised by Wolves' by Tellsonic, ‘RGBA’ by Chill Cole, ‘Organic Textures 1’ by Johannes Bornlöf and ‘Echo (Kerstin Ljungstrom Remix)’ by Bonsaye. Image by mrs licenced from GettyImages. Editorial feedback kindly provided by members of the podcast editorial group Dr Rahul Barmanray, Dr Zac Fuller, Dr Aidan Tan, Dr Maansi Dr Arora, Joseph Lee and Fionnuala Fagan.Add Part 1 to MyCPD as educational activity or visit web page for a transcript and references. 

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While waiting for COVID-19 vaccines to be rolled out, Australian jurisdictions adopted strong social restrictions to minimise community transmission of the virus. It’s estimated that together, these public health measures spared around 50,000 lives up to December 2022 and that vaccines saved three times as many again. While this public health response the pandemic is described as one of the most effective in the world it did cause unintended social harms and lingering resentment. Our leaders ...

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