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EP20 Windows Under the Hood: Kernel Design, EDRs, and the Shift to VBS with Pavel Yosifovich

from Behind the Binary by Google Cloud Security · host Josh Stroschein

In this episode, we get a unique look at the history of Windows through the eyes of one of its leading experts, Pavel Yosifovich. We delve into his fascinating origin story, including the "fluke" that led him to become the author of the legendary Windows Internals series, and why he describes himself as a developer who "hates security."The conversation explores the most significant foundational changes in Windows kernel design, specifically the architectural shift toward Virtualization-Based Security (VBS) and the long-term strategy behind the "Secure Kernel." We discuss the ever-evolving landscape of EDRs, the reality of kernel-level threats, and the impact AI and memory-safe languages like Rust will have on future development. This episode offers valuable insights for reverse engineers and developers interested in the big-picture trends that have shaped—and will continue to shape—the world of operating system design.Get the latest from FLARE's community efforts: Email [email protected] to join our mailing list for important announcements. Your information will not be shared and is used only for this purpose.Join the CommunityResearch Hub: Threat research, training events and news:https://cloud.google.com/security/flareThe FLARE Insider: Get community updates and announcements. To subscribe, email [email protected] THE SHOW:Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube

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In this episode, we get a unique look at the history of Windows through the eyes of one of its leading experts, Pavel Yosifovich. We delve into his fascinating origin story, including the "fluke" that led him to become the author of the legendary Windows Internals series, and why he describes himself as a developer who "hates security." The conversation explores the most significant foundational changes in Windows kernel design, specifically the architectural shift toward Virtualization-Based...

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