EP245: Arithmetically Impossible, With Al Lewis, Cofounder and CEO of Quizzify

I want to talk about the wellness industry today. In the parlance of the famous (or infamous, depending on where your revenue is coming from) Al Lewis, traditional "to employee" types of wellness programs are health care done to employees, not for employees. They're like forced health care. Generally, these programs tout cost savings to the employer. And also generally, these programs aren't optional; they may include sticks as well as carrots and sometimes sticks that are dressed up as carrots but are actually still sticks. The wellness industry is big business—like, regulated by the SEC big in some cases. That's why this Clay Christensen quote is so apropos. Despite the fact that your average wellness program is often, let's just say, heartily suboptimal from a cost, quality, and satisfaction standpoint, most employers continue to basically force employees into them. Many brokers continue to offer these ineffective programs as well. I mean, why wouldn't they? Everybody in the supply chain is making money. Besides, it's time consuming and maybe even risky to try to re-educate an employer organization who might not know any better. It's one of those great examples where doing the right thing isn't as profitable or safe as exploiting outdated thinking as long as the market will bear. Employers are getting wise to a lot of things right now. I'd suggest a fast follow-on is going to be their view of these wellness programs. It will be interesting to see if current vendors are able to compete with the newer solutions that actually work and which employees actually appreciate. It will also be interesting to see if there's any backlash against the supply chain that continues to offer up these solutions, especially given some of the lawsuits that are currently under way and all the research which is eminently available. After about ten people wrote in looking to hear an interview with him, in this health care podcast I'm honored and pleased to speak with the one and only Al Lewis. Al is basically synonymous with wellness programs' analysis and evaluation. One of my favorite things about Al is that he is as controversial as he is respected. He's been called both "the founding father" of disease management, and he's also been called the "troublemaker-in-chief" of the wellness industry. Regardless of your opinion of Al's views, his integrity and commitment and rigorous analytical approach is open and shut. Al is the author of two books, which you can find in the show notes. He's also the CEO of Quizzify. Quizzify is a company and an approach that teaches employees how to get the care they need while avoiding the "care" they don't. Quizzify's claims have been validated, by the way, by the Validation Institute. You can learn more at quizzify.com. Al Lewis wears multiple professional hats. As an author, his critically acclaimed category-best-selling book on outcomes measurement, Why Nobody Believes the Numbers, chronicling and exposing the innumeracy of the health management field, was named 2012 health care book of the year in Forbes. Cracking Health Costs: How to Cut Your Company's Health Costs and Provide Employees Better Care, released in 2013, was also a trade bestseller. His 2014 book Surviving Workplace Wellness has also received great accolades, and excerpts appeared in Harvard Business Review and elsewhere.