EP466: What Is Rising Faster, Insurance Premiums or Hospital Prices? With Vivian Ho, PhD

Healthcare costs keep rising, but what's driving those increases? In this episode, Stacey Richter speaks with Dr. Vivian Ho, a health economist at Rice University and Baylor College of Medicine, to break down the real reasons behind skyrocketing commercial insurance premiums. Are insurance premiums rising faster than wages — and why does it matter? What's the biggest driver of premium increases? (Spoiler: It's hospital prices.) Are hospital price hikes justified by rising costs — or is something else at play? Dr. Ho shares data-backed insights on hospital consolidation, executive incentives, and how health system pricing impacts self-insured employers and plan sponsors. If you're a healthcare executive or a jumbo employer managing benefits, this episode is a must-listen. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN ✅ Whether insurance premiums are actually outpacing wage growth — and what the data shows about the gap between what employers pay for insurance versus what employees take home ✅ What's really causing hospital prices and insurance premiums to go up so exponentially — and why it isn't simply a story of rising costs of care ✅ Whether razor-thin operating margins for hospitals are actually behind these rising hospital prices, or whether that explanation doesn't hold up against the data ✅ How these hospital cost increases actually happen mechanically, and what a study by Zack Cooper, PhD, reveals about the pattern ✅ Who typically makes up a hospital board, and why those board members' own financial incentives can end up driving hospital price increases — making board-level change a vital lever WHY THIS MATTERS The story hospitals tell to justify rising prices — thin margins, rising costs — doesn't match what Dr. Ho's data shows. Real change, in her view, has to start at the board level, because that's where the incentives that actually drive pricing decisions live. For jumbo employers and healthcare executives, understanding this dynamic is the difference between negotiating from a position of insight and negotiating blind. MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE EP450 with Marilyn Bartlett, CPA, CGMA, CMA, CFM: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Other Apps EP418 with Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Other Apps === LINKS === 🔗 Show Notes with all mentioned links: Episode Page ✉️ Enjoy this podcast? Subscribe to the free weekly newsletter 🫙 Support the podcast with a small donation to the Tip Jar 🎤 Listen on Apple Podcasts 🎤 Listen on Spotify 📺 Subscribe to our YouTube channel === CONNECT WITH THE RHV TEAM === ✭ LinkedIn ✭ Bluesky ✭ Threads ✭ X 00:00 Introduction. 05:12 Are insurance premiums going up? 05:59 What is the disparity between cost of insurance and wage increases? 06:21 LinkedIn post by Byron Hugley. 06:25 Article by Michael Strain. 06:46 How much have insurance premiums gone up for employers versus employees? 09:06 Chart showing the cost to insure populations of employees and families. 10:17 What is causing hospital prices and insurance premiums to go up so exponentially? 12:53 Article by (and tribute to) Uwe Reinhardt. 15:28 Are razor-thin operating margins for hospitals causing these rising hospital prices? 16:56 Collaboration with Marilyn Bartlett and the NASHP Hospital Cost Tool. 19:47 What is the explanation that hospitals give for justifying these profits? 23:16 How do these hospital cost increases actually happen? 27:06 Study by Zack Cooper, PhD. 27:50 Who typically makes up a hospital board, and why do these motivations incentivize hospital price increases? 33:17 Why is it vital that change start at the board level?