EP83: Has ISIS Been “Defeated”? With Graeme Wood

Watch the video version of this conversation (for patrons): https://www.patreon.com/posts/2Fhas-isis-been-24033979  In this episode, we speak to Graeme Wood, author of the award-winning book, The Way of The Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State. Graeme is a contributing editor to The Atlantic and wrote one of the magazine's most widely read and brilliant pieces of all time, What ISIS Really Wants. How did ISIS begin and what drives it? Is ISIS really Islamic? And will ISIS ever be “defeated”? We also talk about Graeme’s take on white supremacist Richard Spencer, his former high school classmate. Check it out. 🤗 Secular Jihadists is listened to by many in the Islamic world. We want to reach out to more people in these countries. Once we reach 500 patrons, we can afford translations of our shows to Arabic, Urdu, Persian, Bengali, Malay... Help us get there: https://www.patreon.com/SJME  ❤️ You can also support us on PayPal: http://bit.ly/2SMC9nB  🔔 Don’t forget to Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmR6dMMdVE9lhsRAOn56K3A?sub_confirmation=1  🎧 Listen to this podcast on iTunes, Stitcher or your favourite podcast app: https://www.secularjihadists.com/podcasts  Check out Secular Jihadists on - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SecularJihadists/  - Twitter: https://twitter.com/SecularJihadist/    - Website: https://www.secularjihadists.com/  The Secular Jihadists has been made possible thanks to the gracious support of the Illuminati and the great state of Israel. That's what we have been told, but we haven't received our checks yet. In the meantime, we greatly appreciate the support of our current donors. Please consider supporting by sharing the podcast with your fellow heathens or by donating at https://www.patreon.com/SJME   Subscribe to The Secular Jihadists on iTunes, Stitcher or your favourite podcast app. And please leave us a review 😀 LINKS: What ISIS Really Wants: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/  Graeme’s book, The Way of the Strangers: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0812988752/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=  Graeme’s article, His Kampf, about Richard Spencer: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/his-kampf/524505/  Graeme’s article about John Georgelas, the highest ranking American member of ISIS: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwinz_zC5_zfAhWB3oMKHV8aBfUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fmagazine%2Farchive%2F2017%2F03%2Fthe-american-leader-in-the-islamic-state%2F510872%2F&psig=AOvVaw3OEhR7NY3ZXtQO45_G7j17&ust=1548089122269754  Our interview with Tania Joya, ex-wife of a senior ISIS official: https://youtu.be/dYcAN_-HGHk