Episode 1: John Swinney on grief, leadership and renewal

In the first episode of Unspun Live, The Herald’s new Scottish politics podcast, First Minister John Swinney speaks candidly about grief, resilience and leadership.He reflects on the loss of his colleague Christina McKelvie, how stepping back helped him return as “a different character,” and whether the SNP would consider another deal with the Greens.Swinney also talks about the 2026 election, the rise of Reform UK — and why so many of his MSPs are set to leave Holyrood.