EPISODE · Feb 7, 2026 · 56 MIN
Episode 11: John Smid
from Our Lady of Perpetual Brunch · host Stephen Stanley
Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Our Lady of Perpetual Brunch, host Stephen Stanley sits with with John Smid, a former leader of the ex-gay ministry Love in Action. John shares his extraordinary journey from coming out as gay in the late 1970s, to entering conversion therapy, and eventually renouncing those practices. He discusses the emotional toll of ex-gay ministries, the impact on families, and his path to redemption and acceptance. John reflects on the importance of community, love, and living in uncertainty, emphasizing the need for grace and understanding in a world that often lacks it.This is a little longer than our normal episode, but it's a remarkable journey that I hope you'll enjoy taking with me. Episode Links: We discuss the documentary This Is What Love In Action Looks Like, which chronicled a protest outside the headquarters of the Memphis-based conversion therapy center of Love In Action. Here's a link to that doc: https://tubitv.com/movies/100003746/this-is-what-love-in-action-looks-likeHere's a link to the trailer.To follow this podcast on social or learn more, check out our linktree here. Please drop me a line on social media, or email me at perpetualbrunch (at) gmail.com. I'd love to hear from you!More on this podcast...
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Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Our Lady of Perpetual Brunch, host Stephen Stanley sits with with John Smid, a former leader of the ex-gay ministry Love in Action. John shares his extraordinary journey from coming out as gay in the late 1970s, to entering conversion therapy, and eventually renouncing those practices. He discusses the emotional toll of ex-gay ministries, the impact on families, and his path to redemption and acceptance. John reflects on the importance of community, love, a...
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