Episode 125: July 25: hopeful and fun stories from our public lands

As we continue to bridge our interview format from the past several years to more interviews, stories, and policy discussions later this fall, today is about some hopeful and fun stories from and about our public parks, including Ecosia's global search engine, California's attempts to expand and diversify public access to public lands, and a wonderful "What if" event in Kirtland, Ohio.