Episode 142: It’s Not Just Black and White: A Conversation About Race with Reggie Dabbs & John Driver

The Mattsons loved this challenging and encouraging dialogue about race within the United States and the Church. Having a deeper understanding of racism and its effect on our communities is essential for every wholehearted leader. So, today we have two guests:  friends and co-authors, Reggie Dabbs and John Driver, to discuss their new book, Not So Black and White: An Invitation to Honest Conversation. This episode is a must listen - full of wisdom, practical insights, and encouragement for each and every one of us to step into those difficult, but necessary conversations.   “When was the last time you changed your mind about anything? Having uncomfortable conversations can feel like the worst thing. But reading a book about race that makes you uncomfortable can be the best thing for you—if you have the courage to keep reading.”   Reggie Dabbs has been one of the most sought-after public school and event speakers in the United States and around the world for more than two decades. Reggie shares his own astonishing story of tragedy, redemption, and hope with millions of people each year. John Driver M.S. is an award-winning writer and collaborator of more than twenty five books. He serves as an executive and teaching pastor and hosts the weekly podcast Talk About That.   As fathers and as men of the church who have both served in the public arena, they explore not only racism, but also many volatile topics these conversations spark in the broader culture today. Not So Black and White takes readers through the history of slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow law, and more, because without knowing our history, it can be difficult to know what needs repairing.   To connect with John Driver or Reggie Dabbs, visit:   ONLINE - http://reggiedabbsonline.com/ https://johndriver.com/ SOCIAL - https://www.instagram.com/johndriver/ https://www.facebook.com/johndriverwrites https://www.instagram.com/dabbsreggie/ https://www.facebook.com/reggiedabbsonline   BOOK - https://www.amazon.com/Not-Black-White-Invitation-Conversations/dp/0310363403 To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to: Instagram @TerraMattson @Living_Wholehearted @MyCourageousGirls Facebook @MyCourageousGirls @WeAreLivingWholehearted Websites LivingWholehearted.com MyCourageousGirls.com   Resources Shrinking the Integrity Gap Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace Dear Mattsons Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters