Episode 15 | Jack El-Hai on Douglas Kelley, Hermann Göring, and the Question of the “Nazi Mind”

In this episode of the Southwark Cathedral Podcast, the Dean speaks with American journalist and author Jack El-Hai about his book 'The Nazi and the Psychiatrist' and its film adaptation, 'Nuremberg.' They discuss the psychiatric investigations behind the Nuremberg trials, particularly the relationship between U.S. military psychiatrist Dr. Douglas Kelley and Nazi defendant Hermann Göring, and Kelley's search for a psychiatric condition that might explain the 'Nazi Mind.' The conversation connects these findings to modern authoritarianism, and what we can learn from Kelley's work now.   01:55 Book Origins and Research 04:36 Who Was Douglas Kelly 06:08 Building the Nuremberg Trial 08:09 Meet the Defendants 12:56 Goring and Mind Games 15:20 Are Nazis Mentally Ill 17:34 Authoritarianism Today 20:33 Leaders vs Followers 24:13 Film Adaptation Reflections 26:22 Goring's Death and Aftermath 29:50 Closing Thanks and Farewell