Episode 15: Learning about co-management, being L’nu and Unama’ki through stories with Clifford Paul

In this episode I am talking to Mr. Clifford Paul who has extensive experience in moose co-management in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He uses an approach called "two-eyed seeing" which integrates Indigenous Mi'kmaq knowledge and perspectives with Western scientific knowledge. The Mi'kmaq concept of Netukulimk is a core concept that embodies the principle of living in harmony with nature and ensuring sustainability for future generations. Clifford worked with Mi'kmaq communities to change unsustainable moose hunting practices towards more responsible harvesting based on Netukulimk principles. Passing on Mi'kmaq knowledge and culture to younger generations through land-based activities is crucial for cultural continuity. Clifford shares examples of how this knowledge transfer occurs. He advises those wanting to incorporate Indigenous knowledge to focus on building trust and providing venues for knowledge holders to share their experiences. Overall, Clifford provides an excellent example of how Indigenous knowledge and partnerships, community engagement, youth education, and co-management with governments can sustainably manage a valued wildlife resource like moose. His words illustrate many of the key principles and practices of effective co-management. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 03:00 - Clifford situates himself and tells his story 09:00 - Two-eyed seeing 14:14 - A story to illustrate the power of two-eyed seeing 22:00 - Discussion about Netukulimk 30:00 - Early stages of Moose co-management 42:00 - Protecting Indigenous knowledge systems Website https://www.uinr.ca