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How are you? What the fuck is what the fuck buddies? What the fuck next? What's happening?
I'm Mark Marin. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's it going?
How's it going out there today on the show? I talked to Joe Mandy. Mandy's been here before. I like Mandy a lot.
It's a very bright guy, very funny guy. He was a writer on shows like Parks and Recreation, the Croll Show, the good place he's currently on hacks where he's also a writer and producer. He's the guy at the hotel. He's also been on this show several times in the past episodes, 142 to 13, 832.
He's got some great stories that made it into our book, Waiting for the Punch. So it was a pleasure to have him back again tonight. I'm in Munhall, Pennsylvania outside Pittsburgh at the Carnegie Library Music Hall. Tomorrow, I'll be in Cleveland, Ohio at Playhouse Square Saturday, Detroit, Michigan at the Royal Oak Music Theater.
Then I'm back at Largo in LA next Tuesday, May 14th. I love Pittsburgh. I'm hoping that while I'm here, that love remains. I don't know.
I just think it's a beautiful city. And every time I come, I'm like, this is a beautiful city. Look at these little area with the cobblestone street stuff and the few stores I like. They had must be a great city.
It's got a good coffee shop. And what is this place? Oh, I could live here. So these rescheduled dates, folks.
I apologize. Santa Barbara, California, the Barrow Theater that will now be on January 30th, 2025. San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont. That's now January 31st, Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater, February 1st, Iowa City at the Inglour Theater, February 13th, Des Moines, Iowa at Hoyt Sherman Place, February 14th, Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater, February 15th, Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel, February 20th, Nashville, Tennessee at the Polk Theater, February 21st, Louisville, Kentucky at the Kentucky Center for the Performing Arts, February 22nd, Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House, February 23rd, Durham, North Carolina at the Carolina Theater, March 21st, Charlotte, North Carolina at the Knight Theater, March 22nd, Charleston, South Carolina at the Charleston Music Hall, March 23rd, for all ticket, links go to wtfpod.com.
Anxiety is high, folks. I don't know what to tell you. I've got to go, you know, I'm going to do these dates and then I'm going to be up and down from Vancouver. And I've got to get everything set up.
Got someone staying at the house, got to worry about the cats. I get very emotionally attached to the cats. But the level of anxiety I have going into this job is overwhelming and it's hard for me to manage. So I'm digging around inside of myself.
I'm trying to think, you know, why can't I just frame this anxiety as something that my mind is generating? Things will probably be okay. I just have to take the steps necessary to make myself feel grounded and comfortable in the work I have to do. And even if that means spending time away from home, although I come back, I'm coming back.
It's in the paperwork. I'm coming back every couple weeks to do what I got to do, to do some podcasts, to regroup, to sort of spend some time with the cats with kit and deal. But there's something about going away that it is very hard for me, even when I'm just traveling for three or four days. Anytime I have to leave the little small circles of my patterns, my brain just fucking loses its mind.
And I'm thinking back on it. I'm trying to figure out what it is. And I've always had it and it has something to do, surprise with boundaryless parents surprise. I know, look, I talked to Psycho Babble here and there, but there's no end to the seemingly deepening chasm, the rabbit hole.
I don't want to say drama in a big way, but just in terms of being emotionally incapacitated, but also anxiety wise. A couple of times when I was younger, I went to a sleepaway camp, not bragging. But I remember being dropped off by my parents, maybe by my mom, and just being physically ill and emotionally overwrought and crying and just unable to even begin to adjust to this new thing, this new place, these new people, a cabin, not great bathroom situations, bunk beds, it's chilly out there. And I'm just like, why, why?
And I would be fucking incapacitated for days. That's who I was. I may not sound like this guy now or that guy now, but that's the guy that lives inside of me, just utter separation anxiety, I guess. And that was, I guess, since I was a kid.
And because of all that, I live a life of working against that cognitively. I think I'm petrified of almost everything, many major change. But I have learned through doing comedy, through doing drugs, from doing any type of insane thing that I've done or any type of risky thing that I've done, that if I don't put myself in the position, I'm not going to function. I just have to overcome the fears in that moment and make the transition.
Some therapist told me about this. He said that it's almost everything that I do on the spectrum of personal life is some sort of almost compulsive drive or what he called primal union. Kind of sticks with me, man. Primal union.
This is the idea that when you're born, you are sort of sembiotically, emotionally, spiritually, physically, almost connected to your mother. And it's like, it's a deep connection. You are an appendage and you remain an emotional appendage one way or the other. And depending on how your parent was, who the fuck knows what that means.
But if at some point, your parent, your mom, or whoever's in charge doesn't release you on some level into a emotional space where you can sort of develop yourself. If there's panic, if there's worry, if there's a complete absorption of your emotional being by that parent and you never make that shift, they never put a boundary up and go like, you got to take some hits. You got to get up and go again. You got to brush yourself off and figure out how you're going to handle that.
If they step into that process for too long, once you're released into the wild, you have no capacity for functioning emotionally because now you're just missing apart. And I guess I believe that. The idea that, hey, man, after a certain age, no one's going to come help you. You're on your own pal.
Hope you can take care of yourself. Kenya, Kenya. So look, folks, I, why can't I ever get my glasses, prescriptions correct? Why does that always happen?
I had to, I picked out some frames for my character and I had Dr. Kane, you know, make the glasses, but he said I needed to check up. I got to check up and now I got a prescription and I can't adjust to it. It makes me nauseous.
I can't adjust to the new prescription. And now I've got to go back and if this is with every time I've gotten a prescription for my glasses, I've had to get it redone at least once. What the fuck is, it just, it never stops. And I got to see, you know what I'm saying?
I have to see. I'm not adjusting to being 60. Well, I just want you to know that. And it's not, I feel fine.
I'm working in everything else. But man, there's a weight to it. It is a weight. There's an oncoming darkness to it on top of the oncoming darkness of everything else.
But I'm, I've got a flashlight and, and you know, when I go back and get the lenses changed, I'll have glasses. So look, Joe Mandy, he's performing at Dynasty typewriter in LA tomorrow. That's Friday May 10th as part of the Netflix is a joke festival. You can go to Dynasty typewriter.com for tickets.
Very funny guy. He's been here before. I see him socially sometimes. Always enjoy seeing Joe.
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Early. Yeah, I just wake up, man. I wake up. I'm up early.
I don't sweep your shit. But I do. I've got a sweet gig right now where I work three days a week on the show. What show?
Mindy Kaling, an untitled Mindy Kaling show about basketball. I don't know anything about basketball. I know a lot about basketball. You do?
Yeah. That's your thing? Yeah. I saw a picture of you in Malaney at courtside.
Yes, courtside. That's the one rich guy thing I fully understand. Really? Yeah.
Now, who's rich guy? Are you rich guy on that one or? No, no, no, neither of us. Those were already Emmanuel's tickets, I believe.
So we're just like two bums that got tickets through his eighties. Who's with Ari? That's Malaney with that guy? Yeah.
I don't understand how that stuff works. You guys are working at a much higher level. I mean, I'm just a, I'm a barnacle on that. But he knows that if there's courtside seats, that I'm the first person to call because I know he's got a hookup at Knicks games when he's in New York.
Malaney does? He's a basketball freak? I think he enjoys the experience of sitting courtside is so amazing and special that I think even if you're not into basketball, it's like being on drugs, isn't it? Yeah.
It's well, it's just like this, like you hear the players talking shit to each other and like, and you're right there with all the giants. Yes. Yes. It's thrilling.
And you can feel the floors bouncing shit. It's like going like, even if you don't like sports, it's exciting. Yes. Yeah.
It's just the sensory overload. Yeah. Even like, it's weird. Even like a baseball game.
I'm not, you know, you go sit in a stadium. It's not the same, but you feel nice. Right. Right.
You're not like right there. No, but it's meditative. Yeah. The players basketball.
I don't think so. No. And it's a very good position to be in for photographs. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. That's a, I saw a picture of you. Right. Right.
Who's this bozo? Yeah. Who's always a bozo with the main bozo? Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. Well, that was funny. It was that, you know, they also always go in on the Jumbotron.
You know, these are really on your famous person. Yeah. I always like poke my head and, you know, I got to get in there. Yeah.
You know, just for promo. Oh my God. So what did you, was that Michael Clayton thing yours originally? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Those are the art signs? Yeah.
Yeah. That's me. Well, I know because like, I think I've said that on my podcast. Yeah.
Oh, really? Like that exactly. I've been pushing Michael Clayton for a decade. Yeah.
Same. It's, it's, it's my favorite movie of the 21st century. You too? Yeah.
I watched it all the time. And I talked about it constantly. I talked about it with Clooney. I've talked about it.
Like I, who else have I talked about it today? Who directed that? Was that a Gilroy? Yeah.
Was it Gilroy? Yeah. I mean, I can't, I can't get over that movie. I know.
It's, it's so well done. I think it's the best execution scene in any movie. Oh, yeah. Tom Wilkinson.
Oh my God. That's in that. Yeah. I think like over educated manning to a bi-polo guy.
Yeah. Yeah. Who are you, Michael? Yeah.
What's that line? It's, I'm not the enemy that who are. Yeah. Who are you?
Yeah. People are fucking incomprehensible. Yes. That's the best.
So many quotables. I know. And when I tell this one, it drops to her knees. That's, that's insane.
I mean, what an ending. What an ending. I mean, I just, I don't know. I, also like, it is funny.
I, I, well, you know, I, I made those signs and it's a big part of my personality. And I've had friends like Rory Scoville was like, I'm going to watch this movie. And then like halfway three texted me and he was like, so do you like this movie as a bit? Really?
Because some people just like don't, they don't like, I can't even, I can't even understand that. Yeah. To me, it was like one of the last grown up movies. Like it was over time where like there was, there's just movies, big movies, big stars are rarely made for adults.
That's true. Yeah. The legal thriller has sort of gone by the ways that I'd unfortunately. Yeah.
A lot of them have, but I, I don't know. I just, I can watch it. I'll just start it and watch the whole thing. I don't give a shit.
Yeah. Every time. Me too. It's brother.
It's great. Everybody's great. Oh my God. Just thinking about it.
The, the, the the drug dev brother and then the cop brother. Yep. Good family. New York.
Coney. The last scene in the cab. Great. Yeah.
I love that. We could spend the whole time talking. Like how many times a year do you watch it? Oh, at least three times.
Yeah. Me too. Yeah. And I'm always happy to see it pop up.
Me too. Yeah. What's one of those movies. It's like, I feel the same way about like the fugitive.
There's certain movies that it could be on TV. I'll watch it till the end. Yeah. Good fellas.
Any of the casino. I'll watch. Yeah. I'll watch.
Yeah. I watched, I watched black mass like three or four times on the road recently because it was on HBO. That's the Johnny Depp Whitey Bouldroom. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. M. Scott's in that.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. He plays the FBI guy. Yeah.
But you know, Joel Edgerton. Fucking insane. It's insane. I need to see that.
I don't know if I actually I initially I was a little put off by this sort of non-saratu-ness of of Depp and makeup as white and bulger. Well, I mean, like he's at a point now where they have to put makeup on him to look less weird. No, it's for us. Yeah.
No, that's monstrous. Yes. But but over time, over watching it, it's what's that guy's name who directed Scott Cooper? I think he did P.L.
Blue Eye and hostage or hostiles, you know, with Chris and Bill. Oh, right, right, right. But that movie like they, you know, most of the time Boston accent horrendous. All of them nail it.
Oh, that rules. Yeah. That's like the town is hard to watch. It's all over the place.
Yeah. No, they all they all nail it and Edgerton's character is just insane as they sort of like corrupt FBI guy. But you know, thinking he's doing the right thing and he's just like so full. Yeah.
You got to watch it. Yeah. Well, I just watched it several times. I just pick it up and it became better and better.
That's your like road movie? No, it's just on HBO. It's just happened to be timing out when I get back to a room and I turn on the TV. I'm like, all right, I want you to get and Jesse Plimins is in it.
Oh, yeah, he's great. But what's that other guy's name? I interviewed him too. Barack Obama.
Yes, he's got a small part and he does he actually really well. Yeah. No, Rory Cochran. Oh, you know that guy?
Rory Cochran. Yeah. You know that guy? No.
Days and confused. That's right. He was in days and confused. Yes.
He was the kid, the long-haired kid with the dollar bill. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
But he turned into a very peculiar older man. That was very intense, scary dude. The reason I'm talking about it is because I've never seen someone portray a mobster where I saw in their eyes in a real way that they'd killed people. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime you see a mobster, you're like, all right, well, that's a dinner is doing a pretty good job.
Even Joe Pesci, when you watch him kill people, you kind of think he can kill people, but not quite. Yeah. But this guy, I'm like, fucking kill people. That's the thing is like, even in that scene where he's like, like a clown here to him.
It's like, it's like, kind of like, you kind of art like a little clown, man. I don't know. But there's a moment there where he looks up with that, where he's like a knife and knife. Right.
Right. But it's still kind of funny. Sure. Well, he's hilarious.
That whole thing's hilarious. All right. So what I was talking to Brendan about, we've seen the full arc of something. Like, you know, like, remember when you were like, the guy, the Twitter guy?
Yes. Yes. Yes. That was big.
Yeah. Well, big. I was a real real real rascal. Yeah.
I actually, I've been doing a standup joke about that, that like, that sort of like the peak of like the internet for me was around that time. Yeah. Like, no consequences. I was an absolute terrorist.
You were like going after corporations and politicians. Yeah. I used to, I used to just on a daily basis, try to ruin New Gingrich's day. You know what I mean?
And it like, I know, I did. Yeah. Like, you could sort of sense it was less professionalized, you know? Right.
So people ran their own accounts. Yeah. And if you could find someone who was older, who had an account, clearly wasn't tech savvy, like, yeah, you could, I could ruin New Gingrich's day. It was important to me.
Did you ever get validation on that? I mean, did you, did he ever respond? No, I mean, it was just more like, I was, I was sending things to him constantly and I wasn't getting blocked, but he didn't have a lot of followers. I knew it wasn't getting like lost in a sea of comments.
I was writing a new game. Yeah. What was it? What was the best exchange where you really felt like you won something?
Like what was the prize? The prize of engagement. The prize of engagement was sort of the, the arc of my interactions with LaCroix sparkling water. That was, it was such a like, perfect story.
Was it epic? It was pretty epic where I, as a bit just sort of started claiming I was their celebrity spokesperson. Yeah. Yeah.
And they sort of indulged and sent me a bunch of soda and gear, I t-shirts and they were, whoever their social media team was, was like in on the bit, right? Was like allowing me to be the spokesperson. And then I did a show in Texas with Aziz, I believe, and I made some off-color joke about Ted Cruz. And by the time I got to the green room, there were people in the crowd who were so mad that they were, you know, tweeting at LaCroix that how could this person be your, be associated with your brand?
And it got up to the like CEO level and like a week later, I got a cease and desist letter from LaCroix. I had to stop associating with their product and all the stuff. Because of Ted Cruz. Because of the, yes, the joke I made about Ted Cruz.
What was that joke? I think we should repeat it. Well, yeah, I mean, it was just sort of, I was riffing on stage. I made a joke about how the joke was sort of like, I would pay anyone in the crowd $1,000 if they could fling come on Ted Cruz like that scene in Silence of the Lambs.
But then the joke wasn't about that. It was more like me trying to figure out logistically how I could like Venmo money to a straight, you know, sort of breaking down the impossibility of that. I think someone had come for hire. Yeah.
So that got sort of picked up and upset some people. It was up by mom. My mom was a federal judge at the time. And so she was like, you've got to make a statement saying that you were joking.
And I was like, well, obviously I was joking. She's like, no, but if someone actually does it, you can get arrested for like inciting a terrorist come attack. Yeah, really? Yeah.
So then I was like, okay, mom. And so then I wrote a thing on my Twitter that was like an apology, but I made sure to use the term fling the comet Ted Cruz like 30 times. And I don't think my mom thought that was like the best way to handle it. Yeah.
I think it's difficult to have me as a son. Yeah. You made sure she saw it? Yeah.
Of course. And I framed it. I have to have the cease and desist letter in my house. I'm a crime.
I'm a crime. I'm a crime. Yeah. With like the LaCroix letterhead.
Well, you know, it's good to be a shit starter. But like, your mom's a federal judge. Where? She was.
She retired. So I think we're safe now. She was in Philly and then at the end there in Cleveland. Really?
Yeah. How does it like? So you grew up in that? Well, no, she became a judge right after I graduated from college.
She was a lawyer? Yeah. Well, my parents were lawyers. I can't remember.
I know we talked about it. What's how long were you in New Mexico? Until I was 11. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So not big memories. You ever go back? No, I mean, yeah, I go back a lot.
Like every few years. I love it. I mean, it's weird. It's still like, it still feels like home to me, you know, like just being like up in the mountains and the sunsets and the food.
Remember, where was your house up in the near the tramp? Oh, so it's up there. mountains. Yeah.
Oh, it's way down northwest valley. Right. We covered all this. It's another point.
I can't remember the last time you're on. Yeah. It's been a minute. Yeah.
I was actually talking to someone. I started growing up now. Yeah. I know.
It is weird. It is weird. I feel like I'm like two years away from getting introduced at little shows as like a legend. Yeah.
Yeah. They do that to me. Yeah, of course. I mean, I remember doing it to Todd Barry making him so mad.
You know, it's like, I don't know how it sits with me, you know, because it feels like it's sort of just shy of dead. It feels like that. Yeah. Yeah.
I know. Bobby Lee does it a lot. Oh, does it? A legend.
Right. I mean, I'm just I'm still doing really good comedy. Right. So just bringing up.
Right. Fihim brought me up as a treat last night. Okay. That's that's almost in infant.
I ordered something. You know, sometimes guys stop by and I got a this is a real treat and he brings you up. I'm like a treat. I'm here every fucking night.
Yeah. I mean, and also, I mean, like, I love your comedy. I don't know if it's like a treat. I think the initial for those who know me, the initial few seconds of seeing me for sure.
And then it's just kind of a rough ride. You sort of sail into that stool. Yeah. I did.
I don't sit too long on the 15 minutes. That's okay. In the OR I've been moving around a little bit more. I've been full of the beans lately kind of kind of old school, whether and yelling, engaging, getting mad at audience members.
Hell yeah. That's that's that's what it's all about these days. Those are clips, baby. Yeah.
I don't do you tape them off? No. Although I wish I I had like this nightmare weekend in Phoenix. I know I want to talk to you about that.
I wish I had tape the sense for like the opposite of what clips do for people. Just be just like, I just feel like I can do crowd work. I'm good at it. Yeah.
But like now I've made fun of the clips. I've made a quip making fun of the clips. I love that. Yeah.
But there's some part of me that's sort of like, why am I not just putting this shit out? Right. The fuck differences to make. And it would probably sell tickets.
Well, I know it would. That's how it works now. But do I want those people that would come to my show based on crowd work clips? I guarantee you, you would not.
Yeah. I can say what sort of... I don't think I'd be getting grown ups. No.
Well, no. Because they're not really watching TikTok. No. So what is your history with causing trouble on stage in a real way?
I mean, I know we talked at Moshe's party at Briefly about the Phoenix. And I think I actually said let's talk about it on the podcast. Yeah, right. Right.
But I mean, with the Ted Cruising, it seems like you do it a lot. Yeah. I mean, I think everything's gotten so much more even since the Ted Cruising. Yeah.
So much more like hostile and polarized. It's crazy. Yeah. So like, things are just charged in a way.
Yeah. I don't feel like I've changed at all. Right. But just like the effect these things have on people is just like so much more intense than it used to be.
Yeah. And you don't like, I go out, wait, if I'm at the store or something, it's everybody. But if I'm performing, most of the time people are coming to see me. Right.
But you still go out and people don't necessarily know you. Right. I mean, it's like half and half. I'll do shows like at rock clubs or that kind of that.
Yeah. Yeah. Those are my people. Yeah.
But if I'm just like, I just shot a special two weekends ago and so I was just working everywhere. I shot him in the Apple is. But we're at it's place called the Parkway Theater. It's good.
Yeah. It's great. How many seats? It's I say 300 or so.
Yeah. It's like it feels like a I mean, this is a very specific reference, but it's like Minneapolis, Largo. If that makes sure. Well, I mean, all of Minneapolis is Largo.
Yeah. Right. I mean, Minneapolis has been Largo for years. Yeah.
Yeah. I shot a special there. I love Minneapolis. Yes.
I love working there. There's such a savvy community because they've had theater there. And I think in no short, whatever that's saying is Garrison Keeler, I think did something to that town. Right.
Right. Not in a bad way. No, no, no. But yeah.
I grew up there. That's where I went after New Mexico. Oh, okay. I mean, I love it.
Yeah. We talked about the Somalians. That's right. The four buildings, the Somalians.
But yeah, but they're just a theater town and a rock town. Right. All right. So how long is this special?
Just full hour? Yeah. I feel good. I feel good.
It was a like a long time coming. I thought I was ready to shoot. I mean, I was ready to shoot something in 2020. Yeah.
I don't know if you heard what happened. Oh, everyone got sick. Yeah. Right.
Or so they claim. Yeah. No. So then I, you know, then I had that like year of like trying to remember how to do stand up.
And then did you have that problem? I was just, you know, I had like this solid sort of hour ready to go and then like trying to like remember how to do it. And then like feeling the like, that, you know, that awful sort of acceptance that like, oh, a lot of this stuff isn't funny. Funny anymore.
Isn't going to work. And having to like kill those jokes off and start writing new stuff. And yeah. Yeah.
So I got to go do it tomorrow. And I was doing it a lot. But now it's been like three, four weeks since I've done the whole hour and I don't even like the bits. And yes, right.
Yeah. And I had that feeling for, you know, some of those jokes are were five years old by the time I shot it. So I'm like, I'm happy to sort of get rid of lens myself of a lot of that material. But then I, you know, I was really excited about the newer stuff too.
So it's funny. The once you get on stage with all the panic, if you've been doing it a lot, if something happens, you're not going to be like, Oh, no, right, right. What happens now? So what was the Phoenix thing?
So yeah, so I was preparing for this special taping. But this was it was a house of comedy. Yeah, I never been to that place. Yeah.
And it was not my typical show. Yeah, I would say it was probably like 70 30 like 30% of the people there were there just regular me and the rest were like people who go to House of Commons. 70%. Yeah.
Yeah. I would they my people were vastly outnumbered. Wow. All right.
Yeah. And could you feel it? Oh, right. I mean, like I, I have a joke sort of making fun of sheriffs like the idea of sheriffs.
Yeah. Just how it's like an antiquated. I think I sheriff's show there for years. Yes.
Right. And it normally, you know, it normally does well. And it was crickets. And then, you know, I could just up here sing voice say we respect the police here.
And I was like, Oh, no, like it's gonna be a long night, you know, right out the gate. And that yeah, the first night I was just like really combative and you're there for shows? Yeah. Yeah.
Hopefully you gotta keep going back. I had to keep going back. Every every show was a nightmare. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, our and my people really shrunk. They were scared. They were me.
They're scared for themselves. So like they weren't like helping and anyway. And like, why would I expect them to? But yeah, no, it got like really hostile.
It got really, um, like immediately violent every show, every show, like a lot of threats, a lot of, like what? So after, you know, we respect the police. Yeah. What happens that?
How do you hold it together? You're doing 50 minutes? Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, I mean, like the second night, I had a thing on my phone set to 45 minutes and then I the last night, the last show I literally walked out stage being like, thank you so much. And from the bottom, I part, I really mean this. I hope you all get pulled over for D.U.I.s. You know, oh my God.
Yeah, you know, but struggle, but it wasn't just like Phoenix is special because it wasn't just like, Oh, these people are conservatives. I can deal with that. I think, you know, there is, but they don't even exist anymore. They're just that most of them are monsters.
Well, these people were like, like that's where like, I forgot that like that's where like QAnon sort of bread. You know what I mean? That's where it festers. So like these were like QAnon people.
These were like, you know, I said I was from LA. The rest of election deniers. Oh, they were the cyber ninjas. Yeah.
And Sheriff Joe kind of set the standard years ago. That whole kind of a kind of outdoor jail business. Yes. Right.
Exactly. It's always been like the Wild West out there in some version. Yeah. But it's also weirdly balanced.
I mean, a lot of my first white families from there. A lot of Jews there. They do tell it's sort of a 50 50. And I was just like in the wrong part of Phoenix, you know, and like, in fact, there's one point where like this guy was yelling at me, he says, he's gonna beat me up or whatever.