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We're all up to date. Big shout out to Jonathan Hicken. What up, John? Nothing?
Hello, Jonathan. Thank you so much. You never know, right? I keep coming with people who say it's Jonathan.
I didn't want to throw a John there and already piss them off. You did. I ended with Ethan. I didn't, I didn't know.
I think his friends call him John Hicken. Okay. You, Nathan, one name. Shut up, Nate.
That's the way he wants to be. Finn. That's the way it's got to be Nate. Thank you, Nate.
And all the patrons, of course, I've always thought about, you know, the patron is necessarily about the extra content. It's with the content that we've got. Speaking of Nate, did you see that tweet from Nate Diaz saying, I can't believe that Connor lost a poor yay twice. What a chunk.
Just to get on your skin. Those guys are hilarious. How was your week? Oh, pretty quite.
That was just those two. And of course, all the patrons, you guys are amazing. Yes, thank you all so very much. Yeah, we love you guys.
Very slow week. But I went back to work at Shaw Center. Yeah, I was a I shouldn't say that anymore. No, you shouldn't say Jack should about where you work.
What sort of banquet conference center, but it just felt like maybe we're on the road to cover. Oh, I saw him to travel this week. We're not and normalcy. We are not they are.
No, no one is. Okay. We'll get there. We're going.
I just want to put two things. I think last week was Ted Nugent and we forgot to mention how Ted Nugent accused the writers of Yellowstone of stealing his speech. Word for word. When was with the animals.
I mean, we mentioned it. We spoke. Yeah. Also, I found it white to him pool.
Oh, okay. He wears the two because it's so recognizable. He's on public. People don't recognize him as much.
Okay, that's not true. But anyway, let's move on. I've heard him say that because there was some there was some troll that took his hat off one time and he fucking lost it. He's like, you don't know how many death threats I get.
That two kids like and I was like dude, really? So I'm just not. That's why I was just not. Where is a person who wears a hat because he's wearing that and I suggest that he wears a hat because it's just so much more versatile like no people notice that to way more than they would know it's a ball cap, or even like a little like a milkman's hat or whatever.
Like that's classy for Tim Poole. No, no, no, no. But you know what I'm saying? Like a little like what Joe wears the paper boy hat?
Yeah, yeah. He could wear that to the White House. It's because the two get stupid. It's the skater thing like you can't wear a poor boy hat and skate unless you're from like Boston and wear flood pants.
Okay, well when he skates he wears his ball cap and when he goes to the White House he wears the fucking newspaper hat and he just lets the two die a fucking sad death. It's time to get you out there Tim. These guys don't have him. Also there's an odd opportunity.
Anyone in the auto area I'll be performing this Wednesday and Thursday at absolute comedy on prison. There you go. Mar finally gets a plug in time. Nice time.
I'd love anybody who shows up because they heard it on this podcast. We're going to give you a dollar. So make sure you tell us at the door. I'm going to make you two tastes.
Okay. They're going to show up. I'm going to be broke. Listen, I know Simon said something.
I got a bug for you. If I say five bucks that might like actually drop out and I don't have that kind of money, but a dollar I think we can stomach and then maybe we'll get a reading on whether. Definitely come out of the show. Say what up.
Okay. Simon, how was your week? He's done. He seemed like he was there.
He was very very. You're done. Meek week. Um, meek week.
First of all, Matt, I'd like to say thank you because I don't know if you noticed but he quoted me in the synopsis of last week's episode. It might be one of my greatest quotes of all time that I don't even remember saying frankly, but it was if there's shit anywhere close to the sandwich. It's a shit sandwich. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean that they'll write that on my fucking tombstone. You know, I just thank you for your welcome. The fact that you would pull that out is just shows what a dear friend you are.
And that is basically the whole synopsis. That was the whole synopsis. That was the whole synopsis. And you're writing them down.
We were all howling that happened. But sure, Matt. Can I be honest with you guys real quick as far as the synopsis are concerned? It's the bane of my existence.
I can tell what kind of week you've had based on what the synopsis is. Like I'm at the point where if I could write a cookie cutters synopsis that I could just put out every week. The plotter plate. Yes, I would do that.
Does it make a difference to you that I so deeply enjoy them? Does that make it. It does actually because I've said multiple times in those liner notes that I don't think anyone reads this horseshit regardless. So like the fact that at least I've never been to our Twitter, I've never been to our Facebook, I've never been to our Instagram, I have, but not in a long time.
Yeah. Yeah. I check religious. Okay.
Oh, sorry. I had to say anyone in the Midwest of the United States, we're hoping all right. Jesus. Jesus.
Jesus. That wasn't saying. That's pants shitting material at night. Oh, you saw the flinger the lightning?
It's 10 X. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have a chance like I'll run it like no, but no, but no, but come on.
Let's be real. If you can see it like if you can keep your eyes on a tornado, you have a shot. You would at least think right better than if you I don't think that's how it works, but okay. Let's say you're in a vehicle an off-road vehicle a heavy like you know, you're in a big truck because you're in a rural area.
No, no, it's worse at night. You're right. Everything is worse at night. Every encounter every it's all going to be bad.
Killer fucking storms at night of the words. Yeah. brutal source. We're going to fucking break in my backyard.
Oh, well, not compared with it to be. It was how insinuating that it was dude. We landed like this like runways like this. Plain is like this.
Yeah, that's ridiculous. We got it. Sorry. Um, so shit sandwich.
That was your no. That was your no. That's a great week as you wrote something. I got into a huge argument with somebody about the lab leak.
The theory. The lab leak I bought this is yeah. Since I've argued with anybody about anything apart from this podcast. How did it come up?
I said they're pretty sure it's a lot of week now because I listened to five hours of Jamie Metzel on Lex's podcast. You guys remember Jamie Metzel? He was on he's been on Rogan twice. I think he was on as like a futurist.
I recognize the name. He would talk about AI and how that was going to lead to whatever we do him in the do we do a throwback with him? Maybe I don't know. Anyways, he is also like huge.
He worked for the who the WHA at one point like he's not the band. Why are you covering your mouth like this? Oh, and his whole thing is like he's 1000% convinced it was a lab leak. He's been kind of shouting that from the start.
He also thinks that they should be giving I've remecked. He also believe like he's a real rational guy. I highly suggest everybody listen to that. Oh, he's the chocolate, the cacao ceremony guy.
Yes, of course I remember this guy, of course. Anyways, it was great. It's a great interview. Just gave me a ton of information and it just reaffirmed a lot of the things I've been saying right from the start with like Jaina and stuff, you know what I mean?
The anyways, but it's just amazing to me that anybody can even argue it at this point and like, were they setting Fauci as their source? No, this guy's whole thing was that he's like, I've been to China and I'll tell you and I hate when people do that by the way, like I've never you've never been to China. You couldn't possibly understand how a lab leak would function in China. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, they probably have a better understanding than I do, but I mean, do like I've been to Italy, not I've traveled there. Do I have any more understanding of how the Italian political system works than you do? No, I went to fucking museums and. So you said that I would have thought you did.
Anyways, just because you go somewhere just because you travel somewhere doesn't make you anymore. It makes you feel like you might have to. Sure, sure, sure. Which I find him.
This guy thinks of bat fuck the penguin and got it. Yeah, he said it's definitely an open air market. And he agrees that there is a giant cover up, but he thinks the cover up was because China is just all about saving face, which is also true. But in this case, it's because they were covering it up.
Like when you listen to Metzel and if that's his name and just like, so they kept it hidden for like three and a half weeks at the beginning where they knew exactly what was going on and they weren't letting anybody in and they weren't telling anybody anything. And wow, that finally came back. Three and a half weeks is like a big deal when you're talking about something like this because just as an example, because it spreads so quickly, Moderna two days after they got the info from China, like the necessary information to then make a vaccine two days. That's how long it took for them to manufacture something once they had the proper information.
So had they had that proper information three and a half weeks early? Two days of the vaccine in a year to test it. Realistically, yeah. I mean, that makes sense.
Well, I'm thinking about like this. They already doing if they're already doing work on novel coronaviruses in general, well, and they were already they have the framework and the RNA distribution. Now they just needed like the whatever. I'm not a scientist.
Point is we don't even play one on TV. Listen to the thing. But what he was saying was if that's the truth, those three weeks, huge amount of millions and millions of deaths, you know, and if that's the case and they can prove that then China theoretically could be on the line to a lot of countries for um, re compensation. But here's my question.
That was like, it's a country that doesn't even respect copyright law. So how do you even how do you even recoup any of that? Well, this is interesting because China holds part of the US debt in some way. I don't really understand how this guy was telling me that I was arguing.
Yeah, they own was telling me that they buy American currency or whatever. But what Metzel was saying is in a situation like that, I guess, if the Americans somehow owed China money, they could just say, well, you now owe us a trillion dollars in, um, restitution or reconpensation or restitution or whatever you want to call it and just consider that that wiped. And when that kind of shit happens, it fucks with the economy and all sorts of screwy ways. Again, not an economist.
So don't know how that works. But again, highly suggest everybody listen to that because it was fucking brilliant. How did you guys argument resolve? I said, no, I think I told them not to get his panties in a bunch.
I wasn't insulting China. I was no, because I said the lab there. Fauci was sponsoring work. The Americans were sponsoring.
They were doing it there because China allows things to be tested that they just don't allow in Canada and the United States. Anyways, it pretty much, I don't like that. It doesn't really matter. The boy was, I just couldn't believe how like, there's two movies going on.
You just stick to this pangolin thing. It's fuck at this point, you know, how about this? Even if you really thought it was, you can't even keep an open mind that it could have been something else. Like there's nothing, there's absolutely nothing close to definitive to say that it started in a wet market.
Not a lot of absolute. No, no. And when you look like Metzel will take, if that's his name, will take you back on like the cover up in this episode on the cover up from China and how you can watch it all happening. These people say something, they get disappeared.
You know what I mean? It's a clear trail of deception. They finally let the hoo in and everybody on the special panel is owned by China. There's no, any who.
And then the other thing was I watched 14 peeks at your suggestion. What an insane movie. Not insane. Fucking bananas.
I can respect that guy to the end of time. Those free climbers can suck a dick. You know what's crazier is that they party. They party so hard.
But he shows up to that one mountain like a hungover. Dude, they had done ecstasy the night before. They save people. Like the guy's amazing.
He's amazing. He's amazing. Dude, what's staggering is like the fact that he climbs so many mountains that they can really only give each mountain like five minutes of airtime. You know what I mean?
There's a few that it's like you seem at the base. You seem at the top. You're taking a photo. They don't even show it.
They just cross off the mountain. And like you said, yeah, like I had to rescue four people on the way up like what the fuck. But it was just so cool. Like the one line in the movie that stuck with me the most and I guess it was the point of the movie.
Is it possible? No, that too. But no, it was like, you know, people will climb Everest and they have for years and they'll say, you know, Matt Floyd and Simon Anismin and a Sherpa climbed Everest. That Sherpa never gets a name.
But that Sherpa's name was, you know, David or whatever his name was. The only reason they get the mongol I David and now they those guys are the best climbers in the world bar none. And now they get the credit for it because of this guy. I think it's amazing.
You guys find the ones who reach the peak of one mountain. You sort of see them all. It's spectacular. But it's the same.
I mean, it's about the climb. I don't think it's a. I mean, come on. It's great.
Like think about it. He climbs three mountains that are side by side in like 48 hours and like you said, it's like save you. Yeah. And then the other two are right there.
You're not seeing something with an M. Yeah, I can't remember. But that Everest is crazy when they're going up and yeah, he takes the picture of that traffic jump and they got by because they climbed at night where nobody else will climb at night and they just like and they're fucking it was so rad when they showed up at the bottom of K2 and he's like trying to rally the troops because they're all saying they got to leave and that one asshole, he's like a guy from Australia. So he's like, listen, Mike, you can't just come into the fucking camp and think you can't shoot.
We've all tried to fucking go up. He said, listen, if the if it's impossible, it's impossible, like you can't change the mountain. He said, I don't want to change the mountain. But listen, you guys want to climb?
I'm going to go set those lines for you. I'll be down tomorrow. You know, it'll be hard for his wife. I was thinking she was nice.
What a pimp though. Yeah, it's an amazing movie. It's an amazing movie. And then just last thing I watched Tusk.
Have you either of you guys seen Tusk? It's one of the most mental movies I've ever. What is it on? I think I bought it.
It's for me. I'm a 49 anyways. Do you know what the movie is though? Justin Long, Kevin Smith directs it.
It's a horror. It's the horror directed, though. No. So basic premise is there's this crazy serial killer he's collecting people because he wants to turn them into a walrus because he was marooned on some shore.
It's like a comedy horror. He was marooned on some shore and he had to spend his time with the walrus and they became friends or something. It sounds like our friend fucking filabayer. Yeah, pretty much.
Dude, you know what? Now that I think about it, it might be loosely based on Phil D'Amare. Thank you. And Sloshee or whatever the fuck.
Sloshee. Sloshee. So he transforms this guy into a walrus with the skin of other people. It's such a weird mental movie.
And then right at the end, or kind of the end, this detective comes into it, this French Canadian detective. He would never know it, but it's Johnny Depp. But you would never know. He's an actor.
And the makeup and everything. I had no idea. You know who's not an actor? Daniel Radcliffe.
I tried to watch this movie with escaping. I watched it. You're just Harry Potter pretending to be an ome guy. It's Harry Potter.
No, I think he is a good actor. Oh fuck. Well, no, I just think that role, it's one of those roles that you cannot escape. You've seen him so many times in that role.
But that's kind of what typecasting is in a way. I don't know who that guy is. But you always know that's fucking Harry Potter, which is grown up. I mean, again, if he keeps acting, there will be a generation that maybe, actually, Harry Potter is going to be that thing that people sort of their kids were.
I think he should just spend his money. He's doing well. Yeah, good for him. Tusk better than cabin in the woods.
They're both horrible. I mean, I'm not telling you this movie because that's a piece of shit. I'm telling you this movie because it's so fucked up that it's almost worth watching. But it's interesting because he's a podcaster and goes to Canada to do this interview.
He actually goes to Canada to do an interview with a guy who got famous on the internet because he cut off his leg with a samurai sword doing the kill bill routine. You know that? Yeah. You know, like the kid with the lightsaber.
So it's kind of a play on that. So he shows up to interview this kid and the kid has just killed himself with the sword doing his routine. So he has to find something else to do. Anyways, check it out.
That's it. What a great week. We got to give a big thank you to Matt cutting his amazing trip short. What a fucking thing.
He hasn't told you about his trip yet. We told everyone about his trip last week. Yeah, but you don't even know. So we had to leave a day late because they changed the.
So my family left. He finished his podcast on Sunday. Let's go there. Yeah, we finished the podcast on Sunday.
I go home. I edit the podcast. I'm supposed to leave Monday afternoon. Now the COVID rules to get into the United States change as of Monday at like the strike of midnight as of that time you needed a test within 24 hours, a clean COVID test.
And my mom is like, go get this test. It's 165 bucks. It takes like a day to get the results. And I was like, well, that's not good because we have to have one within a day.
She's like, you'll get the results. And it's within that day of the results. I was like, okay. So we show up to the airport.
Guys like, no, you're not flying. And that that test, by the way, cost us, like I said, 165 each. So we've each spent that. So we have to not fly that day.
We go back home. We have to go get another test. This one's only 60 bucks. So we each had to spend another 60 bucks.
We even left all the way yet. And we're each out like 200 bucks. So we fly there a day late. The weather in Vegas was absolute dog shit rained two days.
I didn't even know that happened. It was 11 degrees. It was shitty that it could have been that whether here was dog shit, sorry. I mean, I get it.
There was a blizzard here. Like I again, I was here for one of the blizzards. So you know, but other than that, it was it was nice. We saw Nate Barghatsy.
Where masks optional everywhere he went. OK, so here's the funniest part. First of all, Kumar, you would have loved this. The rodeo was in town.
So it was like Yellowstone absolutely everywhere we went. Now, those guys don't wear masks. Well, here's the best part. We were staying at the win.
The win was pretty like mask on. Like if you were out of town. Yeah, yeah. Well, it says to like it's Governor Governor mandate says you have to wear a mask everywhere.
So if you're on the casino floor, you better have a mask on. But again, it's like you're drinking or smoking. You can have the mask down. There's a lot of lot of loopholes there.
But we went to one casino South Point where the rodeo was going on. Not a fucking mask inside. And you could see that it was like a rule for some. Like I got told to put my mask on, but there was like 50 cowboys behind me all spit in tobacco into a cup.
No mask. So it was very interesting. Did you feel more like you were at someplace normal or yeah, we're still in the middle of a pandemic? Oh, dude, again, we're in a pandemic.
Like the amount of fights I saw like Cowboys yelling at, not like fist fights, like Cowboys yelling at pit bosses. Like he's a lot of dry snitching in the cowboy world. A lot of dry snitching. Like he's not where to fucking mask.
You know what I mean? Like that sort of shit. I was like, dude, just chill. I don't know.
I mean, it was you watch neighbor. You're supposed to wear a mask. Yeah. Again, but hold on.
If you were drinking, which most people were. And you can smoke in the casino. Yes, Simon, you would love Vegas. Vegas.
Smoke weed in the casino. Here's what's crazy. You can't have weed on the premises. Oh, that's right.
You can't even smoke on the street, eh? Well, here's the thing. They're not that's not a law. They're upholding like Mary and I were super low key about it, like try to go.
And then I just started seeing people smoking weed everywhere. But again, you still in one of the mess around like we check in the girls like no weed on the premises. And I was like, yeah, I got it. She's like, yeah, no weed.
I was like, I get it. I get it. And like the. You let like they can check your pockets.
No, no, but if you leave, if you leave, you leave, we leave, we leave in the room house, keeping staking it 100%. Okay. Other than that, you're on good. Other than that Vegas is wide fucking open wide open and it was great.
It felt more open than restrictive. Yeah, it felt more open than restrictive walking through the, um, walking through the airport. First person I see Simon Trevor Whitman, Gachie's coach, the dude that made the gloves. The know I spoke about gave him a nice pound saw Gachie super nice dude.
You have bigger, smaller, same size. He's my size. Do not fuck with anyone in public. You never know everyone is a foot.
Yeah, just anyone. Just period. Anybody was gloves hanging from their windshield. Well, that too.
Yeah. Uh, who I saw Ali Abdulaziz, um, didn't see Joe Rogan. I chopped the tournament. So I won 1100 bucks there.
Hey, yeah, that was nice. We saw an eight bar Gatsy. Want a bunch of roulette? What did I win at roulette?
Anything? No, you won nothing at roulette. The question last night was if you didn't know any better and you saw a dozen paraje or charge of the very who would you prefer to fight? You probably look at all the varying be like, I'll fight this guy and he's fucking wrap you up.
You're both round a fight either. No, of course. No, but you just think he looks like he's got glasses. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, look at the guy, the little dude there. What was his name? Maybe on a French Canadian name.
You see he's from New Zealand though. No, I can't. I can't. I can't.
That guy is tiny. Yeah. He starts him. Dude, did you watch?
Did you watch all those fights in the airport in Toronto on my phone? Did you see the fucking I can't believe Nunez was the announcer there? Oh, the new. First bar.
Not Bruce. No, no, no, no, no, John, no, the fighter who still fights. Oh, Dominic. Yeah, Dominic.
That was crazy. All the fights were crazy. It was a very independent car. Yeah, it was a really good car.
I should have done it. It was him against Munoz. If I didn't come back for the podcast, I would have had a room until Wednesday. I had $1,300 in chips in my hand Friday night.
I could have just gone and bought a ticket. Gone to the UFC. I'm a fucking idiot. We were saying it's only cool if you're a ringside because when I went with you guys, I didn't enjoy that experience as much as I enjoyed being like, I agree.
But I was a fight from it. Did we go to a UFC? All three of us. Yeah.
In Ottawa, we went and saw a cowboy. Right, right, right. But keep a mind, Camar. I think being in Vegas.
Of course. Yeah. Like I get it. The sight lines are shit.
It's I'm with you. The day you see me part with $1,300 to watch anything is something's going good for K-dog. Also, you went to the Grand Canyon that you've been there before. Oh, yeah.
We took a helicopter. Highlight for me on your Instagram. Yeah, we took a helicopter to the Grand Canyon. That was fucking nuts.
Is it just a ditch? I mean, it's staggering. It's huge. Like we landed in the in the canyon.
They serve like champagne. It was like eight in the morning. Like, no one wants champagne. I'm like, buddy, look at your watch.
Like, I was like, we're a family of like eight. What's going on here? No, the Grand Canyon is nuts. And then they take the chopper over the strip.
Like you fly over the strip was fucking nuts. But you didn't go to like any of like the ancient civilization stuff at the Grand Canyon? Well, half of the Grand Canyon is on the reserve. So it's like native land and the other half is protected by the government.
So you can't just like they were saying like we can't just land a chopper anywhere. We have to rent this space from the natives. And that's how that's how it rolls. But you didn't go out on the big glass walkway thing.
No, no, no, where people die. Had in and out burger. That's always a fun. Oh, hell is that good.
It's the best. You had it before though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Try Wada Burger.
That's why Texas is an it. It's only Texas. I did not go to Shake Shack, which was regretful. That's the one I didn't get to do a lot of stuff.
Dude, I was looking at my steps on my phone in closing because we will get to the Joe Rogan aspect of this week. I was looking at my phone the week before I left for Vegas. My average steps were like 1400 a day. And in Vegas, I was averaging like 34,000 steps a day.
Wow. And around town. Yeah, dude, my right knee was fucked and not getting it. Were there scooters there?
You can job on a no, we just like we'd spend our COVID tests there were 380 bucks. Canadian. You had to take another test before you get back into the country. Yeah.
And even crazier, if you get randomly selected at the border, they retest you there as well. On your dime. That's a good question. It has to be on their dime.
It must be on your dime. So, but anyways, if you do get if you do test positive, they don't let you on the plane. So you are already on the plane. Like you've got no, no, no, the test.
You have to take the test a day before like within 24 hours of leaving and you don't take it at the airport. And just listen, I don't really carry either way, but like you could get sick within that 24 hours, right? That's the loop. Hold on.
To get back in Canada, it's 72 hours. So you could definitely get sick within those 72 hours. Simon, I could have landed and then because I was only there for four nights, five days on my second day, I could have gone and gotten a clean test and then I could have gone and had sex with every hooker in the city. I could have made out with homeless people on the strip.
Yeah. And then I could have flown back. So it's more lax coming back. Yeah.
It's the changes that affected you as all because of when we were growing around. Yeah. I mean, it costs again, the most money we spent on the trip was on COVID tests. I'd say between Mary and I, we spent close to $1,400 Canadian, which is insane.
And like I bought us like fifth row seats to make our getsy. Hasn't have not. It's not fifth, probably like 10. Anyway, let's get on to the week.
I'm sorry. That took so long. There's really not much this week. So after listening to this week, they'll be thanking us for that.
Can I go over the guests. Maybe the worst week ever that we've ever had to cover. Yeah, maybe. And I'd like Matt.
Tied when it's Matt. That's not said Matt. I'd be usually when I see two guests. I mean, there was an MMA.
I'm excited about the Saturday drop. Yeah. It happens. I'm like Chris came out of this year.
But I mean, again, I mean, again, it's always one of those things to where when there's a UFC, you're like, there's no Saturday drop, but Joe lately might have one in the bag to in the bag and we start off 1745 former Rolling Stone reporter Matt, he's now a sub stack and then we have 7246 Blair White, YouTuber and political commentator. And of course, George Campbell. So yeah, he was an MMA and we don't cover those. Don't cover those.
All right. Well, let's we rate the week first, right? That's what we do here. Do you want to do you want to start Simon?
I mean, one and a half to not tell you to find job. It was just a shitty episode. Like what they talked about it was boring. I think kind of sucked.
I give it a two. Not a great week. I think two is being movie, movie generous as well. I understand that from last week, we can't give zero.
So I'll give it one. That's true. You did learn that last week. Congrats.
Well, you can give it a .5. But five it is. Point five it is that. All right.
Let's let's get into the first guest, I guess. 1745 Matt, Tyb. Now I want to say first off, we always poo poo the hunters and stuff. Yeah.
But they have personality. You know, to me, they have a draw or something. Yeah. He has a charisma of a cane.
It's true. They're saying usually endearing about the hunters at least. That's why he's a reporter. I could not imagine listening to his podcast.
Maybe he's got some life there, but I doubt it. Like he's on the spectrum sort of thing, right? I didn't get that. What speech you listen to it.
I mean, probably two and a half. Yeah. A little speed. It sounds like he's got together, but he is so monotone and boring.
Oh, he's flat. Yeah. And just like, give me something. Now, I think Joe figured he had such a great interview with Tim Poole last week in his eyes.
He said next week when I do the exact same interview with someone else. Did you know what I mean? Yeah. Just the issue here of the guests not having any offer.
It's not just off Joe. I'd say this week to me was like the biggest example of kind of the echo chamber. That seems to be JRE lately. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like it's the same topics.
It's it almost feels like with Blair White, it feels like she's an avid listener and just was like throwing every softball that you knew Joe would be in about that. Yeah. Of course. I just did on this one first.
Anyway, go ahead. It was the exact same podcast, like I remember they started over the COVID lab leak. Yeah, sort of falls right into your way. How's the situation you had?
And it's basically instead of suing CNN or whatever, Joe going after media outlets, he's just having people come on and have passive aggressive conversations about how she either. Yeah. Well, and I think if Joe is trying to fuck the networks, and this is the absolute best way to go about it, you bring on somebody who's like the alternative and then you sit there and you sit on them and you say, look, they can't be trusted. Where should you go?
Well, obviously, sub stack. That's where everybody who is not compromised is going. But to me, like Sagar and Crystal, I know they're like Joe's favorite. Oh, he loves that.
I never like I always got a real kind of I don't know. They seem to me like they would be happy to go where the money is. Anyone in this day, they just know happy to go where the money is. They just looked out.
Do you know Matt Tidy is top five on sub stack? Well, good for him. How many people are on sub stack? They were like five making about $50,000 a month.
That's pretty good. It's pretty good, but it runs in the same issue that we come up in this podcast about like the idea that journalists reporters at one point weren't in this for the money. There was no money to be in for. No, that's what I'm saying.
It wasn't about the money. It was about the money, at least in this case, he's getting money from like it's sort of like a page on deal, right? But it's not like Pfizer's give them money or corporations give money. Just individuals give money.
Well, it seems like this seems a lot cleaner. And again, if you break down $50,000 a month, OK, he's making $600,000 a year before taxes like again, that's a great living, but it's not like he's. And why would we have a problem with him making? I have no problem doing that at all, but that's a fuckload more than a journalist made in 1990.
You know what I mean? And I'm not talking about inflation here. I'm talking about like those guys were busting stories because I guess it was the right thing to do. Where is it now?
They'll only do the right thing if the money is there? Like I'm confused. No, because he's been doing the right thing probably for a long time, even without the money and now it's getting him the money. I'm not necessarily talking about Matt.
I'm talking about anybody who's moving over to a sub stack. Are they moving over there because for the right reasons or because that's just the newest place where you can make money, you know? Well, can't it? But hold on, it can be two things at once, right?
Like it could be that you move over there because you don't want to get deplatformed or you don't want any of your story censored, right? And then in turn, you don't realize it. Like, oh shit, all of a sudden I have a massive following and I'm making 50 grand a month. Like, I mean, it's kind of a weird comparison, Simon, but like, you know, you were saying journalists back in the day and it's not because inflation didn't make this kind of money.
I mean, look at movie stars 30 years ago, what they were making compared to like a YouTube star now. You know what I mean? There's just, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot more money floating around out there now in that sort of entertainment realm. Maybe not entertainment, but like if you're if you have a face that can make money or a name that can make money, it's a lot easier to do it now.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I have no problem with some fact. I don't go there. I don't listen to anything on there. Who the fuck would you?
That's just because he is like, I know that sounds so ignorant. Well, people who want the real fucking scoop, I guess the top five are letters from an American, the dispatch TK news by Matt Taiby, all work and Glen Greenwald. And they all say tens of thousands of subscribers, my TV at five dollars a month. So you might be a mega hundred thousand dollars a month.
And again, I think that thing, there are a few. I think what's our lady that I never liked from. Oh, Barry Weiss. Barry Weiss, I think she's up there.
But I think there's a lot of content contributors, but only a small percentage are actually raking it so to speak. But it sounded like he was in shock about the kind of money and stuff he's making. And I wonder if it's going to be he said for life or this is strike water on its hot and something else. Either way, good for him, man.
Like it's not like he's selling rag mags, you know what I mean? The guy's doing fucking good work. No, I mean, the I think one of the weird things I'm going to be like, I'm glad you mentioned money or that you mentioned money because I think we live in this weird world now where we're like, we deem certain things to not be worth, you know what I mean? We're like, well, they're making that money.
Yeah, everything's worth what people pay for it. Well, because the way people make money now seems so counterintuitive to the way we made it before that. Yeah, I guess I just I don't know. Like it's like even podcasts, you know, like if you, you know, you find out that Joe's making as much money as he is or any, just take anyone, for example, like, you know, there's certain like small podcasts where if you found out they were making like a hundred thousand a month, you'd be like, well, they don't need my money.
And it's kind of like a weird, like, yeah, but they're giving you something you enjoy, like, well, that's what I amazes me by mostly stuff I watch. They flaunt how much money they're making almost and that's not a turnoff to people. They want to support it. It's a turnoff to me.
I mean, here's somebody like bragging about how much money they pull in on their Patreon. I'm like, well, exactly what Matt said. Well, I guess you don't need my money then if you're no, but that's the thing is I don't know, come ours right though. Like I think I think the younger generation, especially like, you know, we didn't grow up with Twitch in this sort of donation world where people are like, take five bucks.
I want, you know, I want my name on the screen and whatever I'm saying. Oh, no, I get it, Matt. I'm the dinosaur. I understand.