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EPISODE · Oct 24, 2025 · 43 MIN

Episode 17: The Data Wrecking Ball: De-Risking ABA with a Clinivise

from Rad N Bad Podcast · host Sean Yocum and Michael Carrero from Hickory Learning Group

Rad N Bad moves from calling out the broken system to showing you how to rebuild it. Host Sean Yocum welcomes special co-host Christopher Jones, PhD (CTO & Co-Founder of Clinivise) to dissect the intersection of data science, entrepreneurial excellence, and clinical impact.Dr. Jones, a Caltech-educated veteran and Tillman Scholar, brings his mission-driven expertise to the chaotic world of behavioral health. In this episode, we dive deep into:Eliminating the Blindfold: How data transparency and platforms like Clinivise dismantle the "information asymmetry" that gives multi-billion dollar payers leverage over smaller, clinician-owned practices.The Access Problem: Why simply "revealing" provider deserts isn't monetizing failure, but is the crucial first step in de-risking underserved markets, incentivizing ethical expansion, and utilizing creative solutions like telehealth and mobile units.Negotiation Anchors: How objective market benchmarks for salaries and reimbursement rates can empower new BCBAs and RBTs, eliminate unconscious pay bias, and prevent employers from simply "low-balling" labor costs.Beyond the Billable Hour: Shifting the industry from a "zero-sum game" (volume over value) to a "positive-sum game" by establishing a baseline for outcome-based negotiation, where clinical progress directly translates to higher value.If you believe a broken system can’t be profitable forever, you need the intelligence layer to challenge the status quo. Get ready to raise some hell. Check out Clinivise here:⁠https://www.clinivise.ai/⁠

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