Episode 17 - The Myth of “Clean Hands” in War Games – with Dr. Beorn and Kaluven The British

In this episode, we bring together two guests from strikingly different worlds to dive deep into the uncomfortable questions around morality in war gaming.Dr. Waitman Wade Beorn – academic, U.S. Army veteran, Holocaust scholar, author of Marching into Darkness and The Holocaust in Eastern Europe (coming soon from Cambridge University Press), and host of the podcast The Holocaust History Podcast – joins us to examine how history and ethics intersect in interactive media.Alongside him is Kaluven – gamer, YouTuber, and passionate RTS player known for his video tackling the messy reality of playing the “baddies” in historical strategy games. His recent video sparked our entire debate: what does it mean to choose the side of the aggressor, and do games sanitize moral choices?This is one of our most challenging and thoughtful conversations yet – and one that will resonate with historians, gamers, and anyone grappling with how we remember (and play with) the past.Follow us on Instagram: @worldwarii_daily @samuel.dekorteCheck out Kaluven’s channel and consider subscribing to support gaming with real depth.Kaluven on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@kaluventhebritish?si=2tvx2IMjfVRF-TQVDiscover Dr. Beorn’s work.The Holocaust in Eastern Europe: https://a.co/d/fTHhzS3 The Holocaust History Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/32b7u94Wj36ucQHmzhm40K?si=e3QDoHuwQzCMMq36P2e19g > Support us on Patreon for just $5/month and help us push real history forward: www.patreon.com/user?u=56181043&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator Can’t donate? Subscribing is free—and helps a lot!