Welcome to another edition of the Detroit City FC podcast to be named later. I am John Rosina joined by Dean Simmer Hey everybody and Sean Grogan glad to finally be back And a bit about the name we've said it on Twitter and a lot of people probably know this happened But one of the reasons not the only reason but one of the reasons for our absence the past couple weeks is that We got a nasty letter from a lawyer who seemed to think that his clients trademark on the term fan cast or That that man that we shouldn't use the word fan cast and that goes to the dedication for this episode Which is we dedicate this to Libby Janda and Ty Green of Brooks Kushman the Brooks Kushman's an intellectual property law firm I did some work with them a little while ago professionally and when we got an Instagram from a lawyer As you all know, we don't make any money off this we're you know for whatever small cost that are we're out of pocket We do it for fun. We do it for the community and we didn't feel like going alone on legal stuff So I reached out to them and said hey, this is something we do for funds is something we do for the community Can you guys donate your professional expertise to us on this and to their general credit? Ty who's a law student So we're associated with this and great research work Libby who's the chair of the trademark practice which is a pretty big deal give us a really good counsel based on that and Basically as with everything it's you know, well even the laws on your side's not worth fighting So we are not the f word anymore.
We'll figure out what it is. I think at the end we're gonna take some suggestions So thank you again to Libby and Ty and the team of Brooks Kushman. We really appreciate your kindness in helping us out with that a hardy Detroit city FC supporter fuck you to the people who felt like we were worth picking on because of this And that's that even trying any thoughts on that part of things Yeah, you know whatever sometimes it costs money to be right and when you don't have any money It is what it is. So whatever So there's that there's also we've had other issues obviously Dean has been fully engaged as it should be in parenting the the newest and most hardcore supporter of them all I've been dealing with a new job that has me working two hours away and on the road out of town Past couple weeks and we missed a bunch.
So there's lots to talk about so we'll get right into it We'll be back So on Twitter the other day after the really disappointing draw to the United we said the first First segment of this week's podcast was going to be Sean fixes city so Sean fix city That's that's a little bit much to put on my shoulders. I think I don't know that I can actually really fix anything But I can certainly talk about some of the struggles of the team Well, I guess we could I'll leave you off with one thing I was very interesting so the stuff I saw you talking about earlier today in terms of everybody seems to think that it's the Office that's the problem and you looked at some stats in the division even some other thoughts on that Yeah, I've seen a lot of people saying oh, we're not scoring goals And it's true that we seem to be generating a lot of chances for the number of goals We scored but we still scored the most number of goals out of anybody in the division I mean even without say a Will Miller's Blair who's scoring what he scored 12 goals last year I don't remember exactly off top of my head several enough to be in second place in the entire division If it drew wailing but even without one single goals were like that We're getting enough offense like enough people are chipping in goals that they've scored the most goals in the division so that's not necessarily the issue the the real issue in My book is that we've also given up the most goals in the division I think to and that's where we drop some points I mean obviously we let up five against grandrampids, but like even on Sunday when you score two goals in a game at home You sort of have to expect you sort of expect that that's gonna end up being a win and We still let up two goals a little bit frustrating. What is the average goals per game in the episode? You run those or is that something that's um, I have No idea for the NPSL specifically Usually It's in most top-flight leagues that most of them are around 2.5 give or take 0.1 goal or so So that's sort of what you expect in a game.
He's where two years in the better end of the game NPSL is probably a little different just because There's some teams that are certainly weak in some that are really strong and I see a lot of seven and nothing games out there That might skew things. Um, but I don't know that it's that terribly different than most soccer leagues anywhere I mean the the I test is that Regardless of how many goals end up getting scored and you get things like every now the know weird thing like hey We're gonna score four against Dayton or whatever The I test is that the finishing isn't right to use a technical term I mean just that there's a lot of good work in the midfield and then the ball just sort of gets you know Sort of shrugged it in front of the goal and there's nothing there to happen. I Think there's something to be said for that I mean, I think we've generated a lot of opportunities for how many goals we scored. I don't know what the finishing has been the greatest but Still we're generating so many opportunities and we saw that I think we generated more opportunities than grand Rapids We'd certainly did against Lansing Lansing they pretty much control that entire game except for two breakdowns pretty much that kept Lansing in the game And grand Rapids I thought they controlled most of the game too, but just got hit on the counter like every single time Grand Rapids was able to get anything nice sword I already remember what your question was So if it is defense is it actually defensive I know it's it's easy to blame the defense because that's in their name for goals going in but sometimes It's the keeper sometimes it's you know a systemic breakdown midfield folks gonna get back You have thoughts on sort of where you see I mean it looked to me for instance against Lansing that are Fullbacks were staying back more that we didn't have sort of Zach She me rampaging up the side the way the other way I saw Omar having what looked like a clear run and he sort of stopped and collected himself and passed about I could sort of see him thinking Coach wants me to stay home Yeah, I mean I don't know that I put blame on anyone specific factor just all around there's been you know one breakdown here one breakdown there you'd lose sort of Top class goalie and Evan Loro and Nate Seignwacher hasn't been able to play all the games since you're effectively running with your third string keeper for a couple Games there that probably contributes a little bit though some of the some of the goals I think we're absolutely unsavable.
I'm not gonna put anything completely on the keeper situation because that would be completely unfair and I don't know like against Grand Rapids I definitely thought that the fullbacks were pushing up really really high like a lot of the game It seemed like we're playing with two defenders playing like a two four four instead of a four four two As you can imagine that makes you pretty susceptible to counter attack and Grand Rapids that Tread it to them. I mean they exploited it and they exploited it again and again and again and again And they scored two or three off that one was off a long throw but So and a couple others it seems like at the end of the Grand Rapids game It seemed like they went right through the center midfield a little too easily so I mean the variety of factors I think I Don't know that it's I don't know that I can diagnose anyone significant breakdown if that makes sense So some of the things that you hear folks and here includes seeing on social media its questions of Is the team trying hard enough do they quote wanted enough? I mean I'm always really kind of skeptical of sort of the Psychological diagnosis of any team's problems much less something like this I don't know that I've seen anybody sort of lolly gagging around and There seems to be some sort of basic chemistry not in terms of liking each other not But just not knowing where the other guys are which is used to be a problem early on in the seasons and then seem to clean itself up I Don't know what the stats actually look like in terms of how many guys have gotten rotated or you know how it looks Compared to past seasons, but again the eye test of me seems to be that We've had a more flexible Starting 11 then we normally would have in the past by this point And that's with guys who might otherwise be starting on the bench. Do you think the team make up has anything to do with it?
um, I Think Definitely there's been a little bit extra rotation that has just been sort of necessitated basically by that six games in 12 days schedule which is in in Context of the sport nobody anywhere is doing that six game in 12 days. That's like basically unheard of So there's definitely really heavy rotation Because of that through the last couple of weeks and then again for friendly's friendlies have always historically had a lot of players rotated in for them and I don't know that the team has ever really settled into any sort of rhythm at this point this year and some other teams seem like they have So I think that could be a contributing factor Um, when you said you were sort of skeptical about the whole effort They're just not putting in the effort and whatever I I share your status isn't there a bit I mean it I'm not gonna say that teams Never like collapse and don't put in the effort and whatever it's it's certainly a thing. Um, I don't think it's these guys to this team Right and there's so many more factors that can contribute to a team struggling than just putting in the effort I think a lot of people are quick to put everything down to effort When it's not necessarily the case. I mean I would be hard pressed to to To to look at one of our matches and to say That I ever saw In my mind not putting in the effort.
Um, I mean there's There's times when guys may be going 100 full speed, but I mean it's soccer sometimes you have to to marshal your resources a little bit Um, you know, don't die after all that you get you know a 5% chance of getting before crosses the line or something like that Um, but I mean, I think you certainly saw the passion against Lansing I mean on both sides. I don't know if you want to get into the your discussion of your your friend on Lansing who you You enjoy watching his fair place so much or not I don't know what to call him anymore because I called him elbow sprout home after he uh Elbowed Cyrus in the face last year, but now he's he's going for knees. So, um, I don't know We just call him hitman or something. It's good to see that the ghost of man brown lives on right Sean I want to get your um your talk on your thoughts on um, we talked about his roster roll over a little bit We've played at least four if not five keepers so far this season Um, and then I know there's been a decent amount of transition on the back line And it seems to the much less educated Soccer strategy person that I am, you know, that's always been a strength of ours There's been a lot of consistency in the back line in the keeper and just as far as who they are You know, we had essentially we had Jeremy we had Brett and we had cons over the course of four years And I think even last year we saw that there was you know Some communication breakdown and stuff like that when cons first came in as he in the back line figured it out And then as the season wore on there was a lot of strength there Do you think then all that said that um and I understand why our rosters kind of turned over as much in the back as it has this year But do you think that?
The team's ability to grow communication wise and strategy wise in the back is hurt by the changing of the keepers or do you think There is a potential advantage to the fact that we played two different keepers again this weekend Do you think there are other advantages that I don't see to that or is that a disadvantage to us? Um, I mean, I don't think turn over the keeper position and is an advantage in any way unless you're bringing in a very talented keeper um As for how much communication between the defenders and the keeper really makes a difference um It does um the keeper is definitely responsible for like looking out for certain situations and notifying defenders that they need to check behind their shoulder or whatever um but They it's it's also not A complete game-changing thing. Um, there's only Communication between the keeper and the defender can only go so far really. Um, so maybe a limited factor.
I'd say Okay, that makes sense. Great So And the I saw today on twitter that the back line's about to get Recycled a little bit again, Billy Stevens is heading home and is like done for the season for us Um, I guess he's done with his summer school, which is what was keeping him around So, I mean, is this just something that we hope gets better? Um, is it just something I mean, obviously there's nothing we could do much beyond like hiring snipers to actually affect what happens on the field? Um, okay, anyone any idea?
Where's we're listening that didn't mean that? Um, you know, it's I mean, you know, I know you that you said you don't see a simple fix And I think we all trust then enough that if there were a simple fix Um, he'd have made it, but you know at this point We've got six points in six games This is an absolute sort of absolute freaking miracle and effectively lost season Um You know, is there any hope that this is going to turn around fast? I mean, I'd like to the game Uh, at least at the most of the game on sunday, but it still didn't come out right. Um, is that a trend or is that a one offer?
What do you think? Uh, I mean, to me, I think at this point It's definitely going to be a struggle to get Into a position where we're fighting for a playoff spot. Um, I mean, it's been a Great, um, I don't know. I'm not necessarily Crossing my fingers for that until some other teams drop points and help us out, but um sort of our destiny is maybe a little bit out of our own hands there but uh I the frustrating thing for me is I do think that this team is so close to being a really good team um, if If they just look completely overmatched in all these games and you know, they had One six points and scrap for six points like that would be one thing, but the frustrating thing to me is it feels These results sort of feel like we're dropping points not earning them You can when we get ties and stuff and I think syrus said on twitter and sunday that that draw felt like a loss Yeah, I mean, you know, you think about you look at that game and you look at the stars game Both both of which we had leads late Um, I mean the stars game we were up two goals at halftime Um, and there's no reason to lose that match and then last night.
I think we were up, you know with 15 minutes left Um, and I think Ben used the phrase leaky goals in his post game interviews It felt that way, you know, like that so many of the goals that have been scored against us have been Leaky goals where we've lost points kind of in the standings at the end of the games You know, we went from a three point situation to one point at least two different times Um, you know, and that's that that's gonna feel like a loss it feels like a loss on the pitch I'm sure it feels like a loss in the say and without it out Yeah, that's actually a good point being in that I've also seen supporters cranky about the second half performance and People are saying, oh, he's going smaller and faster in the second half he being this easier Um, I haven't been watching close enough to have a feel for what specific strategically might be happening in the second half Whether we're sitting back too much In the formation when we've got a lead Uh, shut us. Is there anything you've seen in that sense that that questions or that makes you point out say this is why we we can't hang on to a lead Uh, I mean again, it's I still don't see any like one specific I think it's changed a little bit. Um, like grand rapids. I thought when we got the lead We Sort of got too excited and pushed really really hard for a second goal and got caught pretty quickly Um, and I didn't see that against Lansing and I was happy for that and I thought it was better, but we still still need two goals of it Um, I yeah, I don't know if it's anyone particular, so it seems to me like With the Lansing game at least they sort of dialed it in a lot more And I am holding out a hope that the performances are gonna start flowing Um, just because like I said again, like we're creating more chances than almost all of our league opponents that we go up against and Limiting their chances.
They're just scoring goals and we more goals. I don't I I'm sorry to be willard And speaking of performances, um, two really stood out for me against Lansing Positively and and it goes to sort of the starting 11 in that uh, I thought cyrist looked really good And uh, I thought troy watson was basically troy watson The the guy that we fell in love with last year. Um, and I thought destroy's absence was really felt In grand rapids, um from the standpoint of he's the kind of guy that can stuff a counter pretty quickly Um, I don't know if you thought on that if there's anybody else that jumped out to you I mean in terms of like since the open cup match was probably the best match we seen the team put together whether that was Um, the function of all the lineup that sees are put out there Yeah, I mean, yeah in the Lansing match. I think that was definitely the best I've seen Cyrus played this year.
Um, he's been a little rusty at the start of the season honestly, which is a little strange considering how consistent he has Been over the years for the team. Um, but I think that was probably the best I've seen him play yet this year And it was good to see troy back again. Um, the other one that really stood out for me over the weekend was jeff adkins performance at grand rapid So like he was sort of on another level as far as ball control and basically every sort of creative attack We had sort of came through him, especially in the first half and then he got a slight knock. I think I had to come off Um, but when he was on the field he was he was he was playing with the grand rapids defenders mostly Um, and for me at this point He's the early contender for the black arrow ward.
Um now that we're getting a full season out of him Um, it could just I sort of get against Lansing I mean it wasn't something he created but he was there to put the rebound in the net and sometimes that's what you need That hasn't happened off enough. Uh, it feels like being the right spot is is a skill that's that's an actual thing knowing reading flow the game and Knowing when to follow something up and be there and just put it in the net nice and easy So and one of the other guys that's been uh, I'd say Mostly positive. Uh, even if he lost his cool a little bit Was uh your boy Danny Deacon who uh, I mean he plays with passion. Obviously the uh, the boot from the uh the kickoff spot Against grand rapids was um, uh, not No, but i was Yeah, huge role was poorly.
Uh, but he certainly seems to have the passion Um that we love to see the players. He certainly has the skillset. We knew that coming in Uh, I thought he and jeff together against grand rapids working together coming down the side Uh, I mean they were putting on a clinic a lot of times getting down there and again, you know, uh, for whatever reason there was No place to go with the cross or with the center, but um, it's been really enjoyable watching him go He's got motor. He cares.
Um, and you can tell he's here because he wants to be which is nice to see Yeah, he's he's been playing a little bit different role than I sort of expected him to I expected him to play Um more attacking like right behind a striker. Um, he's been playing a lot deeper than that But he's been really pretty effective in keeping possession every time he's on the ball Um, which is not necessarily a, um, strength of fourth tier Amateur soccer players in the united states shall we say? Um So especially against grand rapids, um And like you mentioned that he was when he was linking up with jeff those I think those were probably are some of our most dangerous moments where him and jeff along that left sideline linking up Danny a little bit deeper than jeff. Um, so yeah, I think he's been putting in some decent performances Even if he's not playing quite the role I thought he might so speaking of not playing the roles We thought people would be playing let's take a look at the league table All right, um, there are some names at the top of us, uh, that uh that we May have been incorrect about it in our preseason Previews, so uh, why don't you walk us through the the the the blasted hellscape that is the division table right now?
Uh, yeah, hang on a second. Let me look it up on my computer screen right here. Um, so I'm not Not giving you slightly out of date information. I'm sure I got this right the antivers antiversum first And it's not surprising to me that they're a good team Um, and they legitimately are a really good team, especially the got one player called dargos far as it was the ex-cuban national team defector guy who is on top of the golden boot race right now.
He's been he's all over the place man He's he's he's an all-league selection for sure for me. I remember watching him during our first match. Um, so then you got grandrabbids right behind them That was really surprising to me. Um, especially because I still am a skeptic that they heard any good And that sounds really dumb to say after we just got beat five to two by them But I we had to have have had over 60% possession in that game like 65 35 something they could not hold any effective possession I think they've roped up to us a bit there right with It it really feels like we dropped points there and that with a couple tweaks that it would have been a very different game And that that I still silly for saying that after a five two game, but I can't help it deal that way.
Um, maybe maybe i'm an internal optimist but um Kalamazoo right behind them with 10 points by the way antiversum 14 granddeth is on 11 Kalamazoo right behind on 10 Um Kalamazoo Isn't that has also surprised me a bit. Um, there again another sort of big fast strong very direct team and we struggled with that same thing. Um, When we played them away, um, they've gotten the some points, but they're far from unbeatable I mean, they've had three wins and three losses like they're the interesting thing there from a state from the standpoint of city Is that I know that that's sort of like what you're saying there's a chance, but we play we still have one match each against the three teams at the top of the table, not be able to Um, two of them are away, but still I mean, it's it's we have a chance to make up some pretty serious ground pretty quickly in that way Yeah, I think that's right and the other thing to sort of remember is that we've got one or two games in hand over every other team in our division We've only played uh Five games right now. We've never mind that yeah, the Lansing united result isn't on the league website yet.
So well, thanks for nothing at dsl Um They feel the single most basic role of a league which is telling you who won and who lost Right. Um, yeah, it's quite stunning how that's like the thing that they don't have so um, yeah, um, um, Ann Arbor, Kalamazoo, uh, the stars in Lansing have all played seven korean rapids detroit and date and have all played six That's from for the love of footballs, uh, standings, which I believe are accurate as of um yesterday Well, they appear to be more accurate than the league sites. So we'll use them Um We're a bit, but I don't remember what I was gonna say. I was gonna say something that I don't remember So we've got um we've had with the top three And we have stars dating in us Stars Lansing us dating Yeah, I thought I guess Quick things that stand out to me there is that dating lost their first four games of the season Um, and then their next two games they won and tied so after they they fired their uh, manager Um, we went with the promoted the assistant manager, um And brought a couple new players in um, it's probably the stars job Yeah, so they aren't Quite as much of a pushover now.
I don't think um, they picked up some points, but they're still bringing up the rear of the pack but They'll probably continue to take a point here point there off people. Um Lansing Lansing's tied with us has a better goal differential so they're ahead of us in the table but Um Thanks. They have one more draw than us. It looks like uh, so they're a point ahead of us in the table Oh, that's right because that results missing on I can goddamn it mbsl Yeah, so If you look at the table um in arbors at 14 with seven games played Grand Rapids is 11 with six games played kelmles Is at 10 points with seven games played stars are at nine Lansing's at seven both of seven games played we're at six with six games played and they end up 4.6 games played um The real Differences are you know in the wind column you've got you know, but with four grand Rapids with kilnosea with three each Stars with two everybody else with only one and so at this point, you know, Sean I'm wandering into your territory here At this point, you know, we're half we were halfway through the season Um, you know, we still got Dayton at home stars at home.
Kelms do at home Grand Rapids at home. So on one hand you say, you know, we've got a lot of games ahead of us at home at the same time We haven't won a league game at home. Um And the only way we have is against early season Dayton who as you mentioned was was in a bad run of form so It's possible it is possible if we win out to pick up 18 points Uh to finish with 24, um, but as you said, you know, it's gonna require some people to do your source as well Um, but with what you've seen Looking at You know, I think the biggest test is gonna be in arbor away Um, just because they're top of the table. They have four wins and it's away Um, you know, you know, we want to date in the way and that was it um, but what stands out to you as um, uh The likely trajectory for for our club for the second half of the season with the you know with the raster exits We've had with the raster edition of Cody Lang's things like that happening.
How do you expect this team to finish? Um, I'm not looking for points or that type of thing, you know, it's hard to say But like how do you think how do you think you know right now halfway through the season? This is probably the worst run of form we've had as a club, but what do you think we're looking at the end of the second half? I My prediction is they're gonna pick up more points than they did before and narrowly miss the playoffs.
Um, this I'm sorry to say Um, I just I don't it's gonna be very very difficult to pick up enough Points to get the only the top two teams make it and arbor is you got to expect Is gonna be there at the end in that in that top position at this point. Um, so you're fighting for that second position and coming from Points behind. I guess the good thing is we play everybody again, but I think We've backed ourselves into a corner where you can't drop any points if you want want to be up in second spot at the end of the season um, and I Don't foresee us not dropping any points considering considering the way we've been leaking goals. Um, but I do think that will take more than one point a game and I Really hope that's the case.
Um, right? Sort of and then I know maybe go up swinging Yeah, I mean, I think I think in my perspective, um, that's really what I'm hoping for with the club. I'm not I mean, it's mathematically possible that we make the playoffs, you know, that it's I don't know. There's probably you know statistically a 10 or 15 chance that everything falls into place But obviously realistically then there's an 85% chance or something like that that it doesn't so really like for me I'm just looking for this club to finish strong.
I'd like to see us not drop any unnecessary points at home. Um, you know, right now I don't expect them to go into in arbor and win just because we've looked pretty atrocious On the road against good teams where we were tired against kalamazoo and lost and we I mean I hear what you said about the korean rapids match, but I mean we there were some stretches where we looked awful and it cost us five goals So more importantly with like four out of the six games remaining at home. Um, is that right or five out of six? That we got to go to Lansing and we got to go to in arbor.
Um, I'm looking at that Yeah, I'm looking for this club to take 12 points at home. Um, I know that's that's a lot but you know, look at the runs that we've had at home over years past and that to me is going to be The club that we're all we can all kind of hold our heads high and say the club fought to the end You know, the boys did whatever it took and you know at the end of the season if we don't make the playoffs Well, we've had a pretty incredible season with the open cup and things of that nature So You know, well, we don't want to be as on the other side of that where we're looking only picking up five or six points at home over the Over the last four games, and I think that's probably going to be the big difference between finishing 2016 in a way that's going to bounce well into 2017 I agree with pretty much everything you just said so sweet much to add yeah and the The whole point of home is increasingly important because it is the first season of key worth and uh, that's what we'll be talking about in a second We'll be back So the real story of the season despite the uh sort of ungainly and unfortunate results on the field of times Is that we've got a badass new home and uh, it's weird that we haven't really recorded Since we opened key worth, but um, I know that all three of us have having a wonderful time there Uh, it's it's imperfectly perfect. I guess if I could uh sort of coin a phrase or whatever. I mean it certainly got its imperfections But it's just it's perfect for us.
It's perfect in the structure is perfect in the Place within the community. It's perfect in the community that's growing around it I've been just really enjoying having a home that feels like ours and I think the club has done a really nice job with it Um, you know, there's been things that need to get better, but I've been seeing them improve especially after the first match um I know We didn't preface beforehand. So put you guys in the spot, but uh, um What's your all's favorite thing about key worth dean your first? Uh Favorite thing about key worth the general grittiness of the whole thing uh train rolling over while we're standing in the middle of the road on the march Blowing the horn with smoke bombs going that's pretty memorable.
I'm not gonna lie Chugger. Uh, yeah For me. I gotta be honest. My favorite thing is the uh beer sales in the studio.
My favorite improvement Um, I've been taking advantage of that. Um Other than that. I mean, there's not really anything I really dislike though. I think it's been a great experience so far just overall Yeah, so speaking of beer sales, I'm gonna do a personal shout out to uh, Melissa Whiver who has somehow Wonderfully made it her own personal tradition that she brings me two beers Um at the beginning of every home match While I'm drumming so that I don't have to leave and go get more beer.
So thank you, Melissa I appreciate it. I wasn't expecting it. I just sort of jokingly said on twitter so like they're like, hey new real bring the drummer's beer And she did so that's pretty awesome. It's I know but some true of my drumming but some proof my experience Um, I think my favorite thing it goes to that.
I really love Part of its key worth part of this just what's happened is is the um, the the growth and tightness of our drum section the structure there And sort of the first match we were done on the front and we got lost then we moved up behind that one entryway and um, you know when you're in the middle of the drums pretty much all you can hear is the drums you really can't hear much of the chance But from my perspective, we've sounded pretty damn good and I've been getting a lot of uh, uh, of uh Mentions from folks that they thought the drums are really cool, especially with uh, uh, abraham the father of drums that we have now going on behind us So that's been one of my favorite things is just that the growth that you know people have been like, how we should come drum And we're just like show up with the drum and then and like just show up with the drum and that's what people have been doing So, um, that's sort of happened over time But for some reason it really just expanded a key worth and that's been fun to be a part of um, I've right I got one quick story to share that I haven't told you about john So after the fc and i have a manchester match, um, I hung out with some of the players from manchester for a little bit And they're starting goalkeeper wasn't able to play he was injured, um, but I was talking to him a bit and But what he said to me was like the one thing he picked up and he was he was very, um Not sober at that point. Um, what he said to me was at at their home that he said you've never heard anybody sing like those guys But we have nothing like those drums in england. It just it sort of blew his mind Like he's like I love coming here and feeling the different atmosphere than anything i can get in england Um, he he's he still held up his team as the best singers that ever existed, but he was he was a big fan of the drums That's awesome and I have to say too having the space Um, on the con what kind of the concourse area their own offense to have to cap was up on the fences You know to have them have the space for uh to for birth that are really run back and forth Um, you know having that really having a space that's our own that we can kind of do with it What we want in our own way like making those the drum placement adjustments after the first game You know being able to evolve into the space and really kind of stake the claim that it's The club space. It's in the supporters space.
It's the community space. It's not just The soccer field that we use you know for a few hours on it and you know a couple times a month Again, not the demean cast. I enjoyed castor it was but keywers just has that sense of its hours and we get to Um grow into it and it's really felt like that, you know, and I got to be honest stand up on a ladder looking out watching people do Um, you know twirling scars all at the same time or something like that. There's nothing like it I mean I I someone someone along the fence told me that I that every time the black smoke was launched the other day I just cackled wickedly and it was like that smoke.
That's incredible stuff I've been arguing for so long to find us with it. It's because it's you know, the fc colon is the the sort of famous one for them Like where did I get that we need that? Yeah, so I mean just but everything about it It just really felt like we've developed um and we meaning not just like Northern guard supporters or whatever just like this the whole dc fc package has really developed This sense of pride in our space in a way that we probably couldn't pull off at cast just because it was always um somebody else's space that we were just kind of visiting sometimes and uh I'm so proud to bring people to keywers It just there's just a sense of such a sense of ownership to it and the beer sales don't hurt They seem a new beer seems to end up on my ladder for me about two or three times a game And I appreciate whoever you all are keep doing it. Thank you The um some of the fc united supporters came over and stood next to us for a little bit And they were sort of counting and singing us in good in good fun And you know one of their favorite songs was you know, you know, you can't sing without your drums You can't sing without your drums, uh, and they were sort of saying, you know, jeez, you know, nobody over there You know, nobody would drum like this and you know, they'd never make fun of them They'd you know shove the drum up your ass or whatever and I said, you know, well And they were also laughing at us about the uh, the um, no one likes us the the uh, the mill wall chant We're like what people call us, uh, you know, people call us like, you know, hipster mill wall wannabees and they thought that was hilarious Um, but I was explaining that, you know, look we've only been around since 2012 We started off just like everybody else.
I was just sort of copying the stuff We'd seen and then over time is things sort of grew up organically or you know stuff happened in the spur of the moment like detroit city and nothing to fuck with Uh that you know over time the amount of stuff that that we do that other people also do decrease And the amount of stuff that's new to us and you need to us increase and some of that is, you know We just happen to be more into drums than others do and it's fine It's what it is and we're not saying that we're some sort of like, uh, purest about it Just, you know, that seems to be turns out to be who city is is this, you know, big thudding drum thing in the middle of all the chants And I think that's awesome, uh, but the thing that I love the most about keyworth apart from the stuff in the stadium Is the community is in it's just it is so awesome to walk through a neighborhood Uh, and it seems for the most part to that people are doing so respectfully, um And to have the community embrace us the way they have and the embracing In return so there's two really cool initiatives that have started. Um, I mean there's many but two specifically that uh, dean I know you you're involved in one and have some thoughts on the other Yeah, sure. So let's start with um, uh, the ngs come and get it. Um, and I think I think sergeant scary gets credit for this Um, I know some other people have really taken a lead in doing the communication and connections piece Um, you know with the pregame bar Being falling warehouse, uh, falling a big space, but you know, they don't have food There and it's kind of an odd space in terms of you know, Harry's being a really kind of traditional sports bar type of approach Follings Not that at all and so let me put a pin in that for one second just real fast.
Yeah, uh, falling I'll do respect fix your shit. Um, there's nowhere near enough Uh bartenders the security is overwrought for what we're dealing with Um, and you're you're I mean the parking lots wonderful We love the fact that you're trying to be hosts for us But uh, you're turning people away with the lines and hassles and the five people deep at the bar I mean, we we we know what we want and, um, people know what they want pregame and that's that's not it. So sorry continue agreed, um Don't disagree with any of that. So, um, you know, so serge I think after the first game said, okay, well, we're gonna you're really gonna try to take this out in the community Is I'm gonna go somewhere different for like my pregame meal and just invite people to come along and um, And and join in let's spread the love.
Let's you know, let's put money back into the local community by going to restaurants and bars in different places um, and um, there was there was one, um After the first in ngs, um come and get it. That's that's the twitter account that kind of announces all this Um, there was a woman and it was it was shared to individuals I don't want to like pull it up and just blast details all over but um, she sent a message to a supporter who's from him tramic about How her daughter worked at the first ngs come and get at restaurant and just you know how How meaningful it was to her and her co-workers because they had this influx of people coming into the by food and the tips and just that They just felt so important to them to know that people were in their neighborhood in their community in their restaurant And I think they just reflected the whole Ethos that the club had in intern club schools that this would not be something that um Just renovated an old soccer stadium, but that there was a real tangible impact in the community and so um, there's a really Like three three of these so far. I think the the man the s. The united game the uh, buffalo friendly and uh, then on Lansing So we got several more of these you know this season.
Oh, sorry I don't think I don't think it happens. Yeah, um, so yeah, so we've got you know, whatever four um League home games left in a couple of friendlies. So, uh, you know on twitter ngs come and get it is the twitter account Um, you know sarge usually posted there to before where he's going to be and they can coordinate this Together and it's just a really awesome way to also try some local restaurants and some of that places People aren't familiar with him tramic have probably never been to before And it's an awesome way to get kind of further connected into the community there Uh, you guys have any other thoughts on that? It's for those who don't know who and tramic famous for just diverse and badass food I don't disagree there one bit.
Um, and then the other thing, um, that was kind of kicked off for this most recent game the lain's in game Um was the let's make roots Project or whatever you want to call it. Uh, basically it's them from a couple people They said they wanted to figure out ways to get to get tickets out in the community But rather than you know kind of go into the club and just ask in the club to give away youth tickets, which That's another episode. Um, and I'll give you my 25-minute economic rant and why that's a terrible idea. Um, embrace like a marketing Sure, okay.
Um, hang on. Let me take another drink, john Um, now so so let's make roots the idea is that this is there are people, um kind of throughout the dcsc Uh community that want to be able to buy tickets and just make sure they go to someone in the community, you know, a kid a first timer Uh, somebody in kind of the greater ham tramic Detroit area. Um, and so let's make roots was just set up real quickly as a way to Kind of a central collection and distribution point. So it's nothing fancy Um, um, let's make roots at gmail.com is the twitter account.
Let's make roots. Oh, what's the twitter handle like, uh, let's make roots Um, but I think We counted that we ended up But let's make roots just kind of as a collection and distribution point gave about like 32 tickets to the game all of which Have been purchased by individuals, um, and several other people said that they had bought an extra one or two and given those away So realistically probably just a small group of people, you know, maybe 10 to 15 people worked together and probably bought You know 40 or more tickets and just gave them away To you know, just the kids teenagers There was a family that we ran into That was you know, like didn't know that was just kind of saw the march and didn't know what was going on Um, and the idea is really just to get people to To get into keyworth whether it's not something to admit You know, they have the money lying around to do whether they have no idea what's going on You know really given that first time experience and you know yet again I had some some first-timers there some friends and every single one of them walked out of there saying when's the next game Where do we buy tickets? We can't wait to be back and you know, I think we all we all have those stories and you know, uh, Nick, um, make oh Really led the charge on let's make roots. Uh, just as just as a meaningful way that you kind of get people connected Who are in the greater ham tramik and Detroit communities and get them to keep words get them to participate and get them to experience it Give them the opportunity to come back.
Um, and you know, kudos to everybody that participated I'm not going to name drop y'all here You know who you are and you'll be getting emails from the end appreciation here in the next couple of days But you know, given away three four dozen tickets to soccer game that people bought is is really awesome And hopefully this is just something that keeps moving forward and get more kids get more Ham tramikers. I don't know what is ham tramik Right tramikians. I don't know sure right whatever that word would be and then Detroiters get them in the in the keyworth and part of the Whole thing. So there you go.
I think that's I think it's one of the I mean for a Community that's done a whole bunch of awesome stuff. Um, it's one of my favorite things that's happened so far. Um, and Thank you to you and to Nick and everyone else has really led the charge I think it was a great idea and it's gonna be cool to see it grow. Um, and it's it's really meaningful.
I like said, it's it's You know, we are a community. We're now in a community and the more we Make roots as a word into between those two the better things are gonna be Um, and I mean it's it's really been touching to me to see how excited people in the community are how engaged people are how how much Ham tramik sees Detroit City as its team. You have kids saying now that they want to grow up and play for city I started just tweeting some stuff after the first match about kids saying, you know, I don't have a team No, I have a team in city. It's mine.
Um, you know, I don't support anybody else. No, I just support city Um, that's awesome. You know, it's one of those things that sort of Everybody focuses on know what about analysts this or Gilbert and gours that and I'm just sitting here watching what we're doing and being like You know what worry about that later what we got here is really special. Um, and it's it's an honor to be a part of it and I for one couldn't be happier with where we are right now.
Um, you know, I wish we let in fewer goals All right, we'll be back And we're back and one of the I guess sort of upsides of the season even as we sit here sort of um Complaining about the was league results. Um, and then you know, loving key worth But two good results on the field was that where that we finally got the us open cup monkey off our backs and uh, one An open cup match in thrilling form. Uh, and then the other is that we retained the rust belt derby trophy Um, it was a little bit different this year. Um, in terms of format First Sean you have, uh, um, I know you weren't able to attend either match But any thoughts just in general on sort of the how the play and those matches went or um, uh, sort of the the the, you know, sports side of them I mean, uh, I only saw a little bit of the buffalo away match on stream.
Um, it kept kept cutting in and out, you know what i'm saying? Yeah, go for it. It was unpalatable. Uh, groan.
Yeah, it was like we got our dad joke in. That's good. All right. Anyway, Anyway, I mean from what I could see of that game like it was another it was a friendly game.
I mean, there was a lot of squad rotation Um, ended up zero zero got the result they needed. I mean, it's really hard to complain When that happens, um, even though it's not a I'd say it's a halfway competitive match I wouldn't define it as a true friendly, but also not a the same as a league game anymore. I don't know It's a little weird to me where exactly the place the rust belt derby games against buffalo this year as Um, I don't know what your thoughts on them are and sort of like, uh, It's it's like when you're playing the football manager and it's oh, hey, it's the capital one cup so not so much. Um, So that gets into this week's hashtag asked padre which was why was the format strange this year?
Um, and in fact, what is the rust belt derby? Yeah, so, um, it's a good question rust belt derby When we came on the scene as a club in 2012, um, the supporter groups of Detroit city AFC Cleveland and FC buffalo Created a supporter derby the rust belt derby. Okay, so three teams competing, um, particular games would be identified as rust belt derby qualifying games And you know whoever came out typically the most it starts with the most points and there are few different qualifiers or tie breakers and things of that nature, uh Retains the trophy so the first year, um, it was, uh, clewend they wanted in 2012, um, and then in 2013 14 15 Uh, detroit ones of three years in a row oddly enough then with the kind of the league redistricting, um, and I know, uh, clewend supporter always blames us for DCFC for all of that Uh, but you know with the addition of the other Michigan teams and the shift to the great lakes east and west breakup, we don't have we didn't have scheduled, um, league games with clewend and buffalo this year Now you can look at this one of two ways So so to train buffalo worked out a home and home friendly on the same weekend of friday sunday Which is pretty cool when you're entertaining like that before or at least i've done that in a while Um, so then the wild card is why didn't a clewend Detroit game happen now? This is informed speculation, uh clewend didn't put out a press release or anything to this effect Um I think you know we talked about this maybe last episode about what seemed like pretty evident financial hurdles clewend's been facing as a club doing, uh, You know where they moved around so much where they were started selling tickets at the last minute because it seemed like they probably didn't have a stadium in place Where they were selling individual player sponsorships again, which you know, we did our first year to pay the bills and that's hasn't happened in four years um clewend if I you know, i'm pretty confident in these numbers back in 2012-2013 I think 2012 clewend regularly pulled around 2000 people a game um They were in parma that year and had really solid attendance and that was the historic clewend buster game clewend buster had been and everything And you know within the last year clewend was pulling a few hundred fans And you know again when you move stadium to stadium you lose the community you've fostered And there might be legitimate business reasons why you move but all that to say clewend's in a very different place than there were four years ago, um and for whatever reasons Were not willing or able or interested or any combination of those things that you talked to uh, they they did not schedule Um any non required games this year with mv cell teams, which means they didn't schedule games with us so effectively at least for 2016 uh clewend is not part of the rest bell derby which meant that the uh Restbell derby was decided in a matter of about 48 hours Um between us and buffalo going forward.
I don't think anyone knows what's going to happen with the rest bell derby Um, you know, will clewend be back in the picture It's the npsl will so you know questions like if a club is struggling will it even exist next year are always legitimate questions because it's the npsl And um, so we'll see so the rest bell derby is important to us as a supporter group and our club is embraced that it's important to Um buffalo their supporter group and their club as well. It's awesome to see the clubs and supporters really drive that Um, so Detroit's one of four years in a row now, um, and you know the trophy basically just is a permanent resident of michigan Which we're always excited about but as to what happens going forward I guess we'll see with the uh the daytime soap opera npsl league scheduling And team rosters happened again in the fall and winter who the heck knows right this point I get somebody asking once where the the actual trophy lives Uh during the rest of the year and I believe I don't think i'm violating any confidence as I believe the answer is on ken butchers mantle correct Well, you figure Um, you know ken jin and drew founded the northern guard the northern guard is the you know is the independence for a tour Tdse they're the ones that Develop the rest about derby in you know in addition to the six city syndicate and cleveland and the situation in buffalo So, you know, that's what belongs right. Oh, yeah, no, I'm not disagreeing with that So, uh, yeah, I don't I don't actually know. Uh, I've never followed her around to figure out where she goes But I assume I I hope that she resides comfortably on a uh jean ken or drew's uh trophy shelf somewhere Um, that would be fantastic, but yeah, you know the nice thing is it's not just a um It's not just something that the front offices decided to do to try to sell him or tickets So this is something that you know means something to the supporter group.
I think it was last year um that the way the schedule worked out. I think uh Drew had to take it to uh to a buff local evil and match because there were certain outcomes that were possible that could mean One of the two of them need to be presented with the trophy Yeah, he had to come he had to go home if I remember correctly from fort pit via cleveland Which is just above and if you ever wonder what the leaders of the northern guard have to go through Um going to cleveland's high up on that list and watching a buffalo cleveland game um, but uh The I think actually what they ought to do is they ought to take the trophy and have to be like the um Stanley cup where you know truly Supportive driven every support gets it for a day Just pass it off and you know everybody's the things that would happen to that trophy whoo So we haven't talked about this but our average attendance at key worth this year is up like 68 Um, so I think it would take us about you know four or five years to cycle through every supporter Uh a person who's been on the supporter section so far this year Um, so I guess if we wanted to lay the rest about derby next round until you know 2021 or so Then that's who the hell knows it might happen just keep just keep winning it I mean we want it four years in a row so what's up? That's from doing it for four more years All right, that's the scale that jackal combiner days and do one and not to make a supporter purity test We could do something like you know you if you've ever like actually painted teeth over so like that That's sort of um, okay. Well, that is uh the the the rust belt or the the tldr version of that is just to fuck Ohio as for why you screwed up something that was pretty good at the first place um But let me let me let me say one thing if I remember correctly last year They had to play us on a friday and the stars on a sunday or maybe vice versa and They didn't they couldn't justify the expense of getting a hotel up here And like the game timing was such that like their players were basically dead by the second game But like the club was Pretty shoestring budget last year and apparently they haven't resolved it for this year So yes, I hate that state with every ounce of my being But it's not exactly a surprise based on the trajectory of their last year or two that they probably can't afford to play a Unrequired game at this point.
So the nps l circus continues And they're not to go off in too far of a tangent But they are not alone You know, there are clubs that are on an upward trajectory I think at least on the field and even for what I saw on the stands as much as I hate to say anything nice about that organization The stars seem to have they're acting at least slightly more than they have in the past Um, you know, uh, and our workers clearly doing a good job and they seem to be drawing reasonable crowds Kalamazoo seems shockingly legitimate, uh, but You know, dean, I know you've been doing some attendance work, um On Lansing and they seem from a team that came or called the came real hot out of the gate Uh in their first season season and a half Um, they they seem to have lost that steam pretty substantially this season. Yeah, let me pull up the numbers here real fast Um, sorry, I wasn't no we didn't plan on this. Just came up. I didn't have any ready to go.
Um, so yeah from um Last year So so Lansing's in their third year now, uh from year one to year two their overall attendance Um dropped 20 percent Um and from year two to year three their overall attendance is down 18 percent So to put it in to put it in numbers their season one average was a thousand just a little over a thousand Their season three average so far is 660. So that's incredible. Um, when you think about Um, when you think about what it costs to put on a team, you know, they're not free There are in Lansing's a club that you know from the beginning they you know, they put money into their kits They weren't wearing just t-shirts basically and stuff like that You know, they could spend some money on some of their marketing and materials and stuff like that They paid for hoops and sashes correct. This is true and you know when you're in a situation where you're basically down Uh, you know, 37 percent or something like that in two years, uh, 35 percent.
I guess all right Um That um that screams and the whole goal the attendance project that I started putting together and it's got a long way to go In part because most clubs don't have their attendance numbers anywhere. Um But i'm trying to kind of build a build a thesis if you will or build hypothesis that there are very predictable warning signs In these clubs that should be the mpsl needs to put itself in a decision to intervene more quickly So when you see a club that goes from your one to your two and they're down 20 percent That's something you you know, you need to be tracking and you need to be asking certain questions And that they're willing to admit to 20 because that's the other side of it is the the uh, the attendance games that get played Um, you know away at grand rapids They were scanning tickets and then handing people paper tickets and then tearing the paper tickets Exactly. I don't know How the counting actually worked there so i'm not completely conscientious But I do know that the numbers they announced for attendance and my eye test on that stadium did not match up I will tell you this when the uh and for those of you that were there saw that I had a very lengthy conversation with a grand rapids by was cool public safety officer For those who weren't there they said you know the pa you know somebody popped smoke and then the pa knows there's like, you know No, and send your smoke releasing devices where you will be ejected and then somebody pops smoke again Listen, anyway, I got to know the guy. We had a good 15 minute conversation um, but um In a separate separate conversation was a public safety officers.
Uh, they were humorously incredulous about what the attendance and figures were stated because they were like Who you know, like how is that? There's 2,000 people less than what they just said here. It's obvious. We've been doing this for years Um, so I think it's very you know, I think it's very government will say you know the attendance games are foot in many places Um, you know, they seem to think that they're probably 3500 to 4,000 people not the 6,000 that were announced And you know if everybody that bought electronic tickets got kind of twice makes sense Um, but the thing that stands out to me in all the attendance games conversations are um You know, Lansing in their first year was really open about giving out a lot of youth tickets Kalamazoo has been really open about giving out a lot of youth tickets Again, I won't go down that Conversation too far, but all I'll say is this Eight-year-olds don't typically become money spending consumers on their own And when you provide a system for a year where you just give away tickets like it's going out of style Maybe hundreds of tickets again even and then going into the next year you no longer do that Or you drastically reduce them with free tickets you give away And your numbers suggest that those people did not become buying consumers for those families or whatever You have a real problem on your hands because what you've done is and this was very true from this is not a This is not a dig just at Lansing as an organization But like we grew up with not a lot of extra money to go do things So if we had been given free tickets to go do something we would have went for free and done it But then the responses from us would have kind of been okay Well, we'll wait till the next time we get free ones because we can't really afford that and if free comes along sometimes then that's how much it's worth It's worth it's free and it's fun.
Um, I'm like that with the tigers I live a mile from the stadium people offer me tickets five or six or seven times a year That's enough in-person games for me. I don't need to buy tickets um, you know, that that meets my Tiger game going in and so With this trajectory that Lansing's on it'll be really interesting to see how Kalamazoo starts out their second year next year and It's looks very obvious that there are things like college towns with the supporter fan turnover is problematic if you don't have another base Youth tickets are problematic if you don't convert those families to consumers and quickly And if you're in a situation where both of those things are not working in your favor, you're down 35% in two years You know, again, we we talked about this before they won the league two years ago Um that didn't translate into more tickets the next year. They were down 20% the next year. So It's a fallacy to think that you know, eerys Eerys the most storied team in our entire region in terms of the npsl and what does that translate into it's nothing so yeah, um, so I I think that's anyway, we've got way down the attendance tracking project rabbit hole there.
Sorry about that, but um, I think it says something really about sitting I think that it goes to wrap it all up with a nice little bow on top It goes to keyworth which is that um You know, I took my family to our first city of actually third home match of 2012 Because it was an affordable thing to do on a nice summer day. Uh, it was five bucks a piece Uh, it was you know, we weren't soccer fans and I know I've said this many times before we went because it seemed like fun And we fell in love with it and we've been passionate ever since and the club has way made money on us. Um, and that's fine That's so happy about that. Um, the whole youth team thing it never makes sense to me because As a father of a youth sports player, um You just it's not what you want to do as a parent you've spent so much time Sitting there watching them play that the last thing you want to go do is sit there with them and watch somebody else play the same sport Um, not to mention the fact that if you look and we've got some very good youth soccer players among the children of some of the sort of the Cora of the supporters and those kids are rarely there at city measures because they're playing soccer Um, you know, uh, the minions and and others are just you know, they are the older they get to the point where they become sort of You know consumer level they're off playing soccer themselves and their parents are with them Um, so it's it's just it's a counterintuitive group to try to build a market on a new Because to your point those kids aren't spending money the parents don't want to spend money on that mostly youth sports are expensive to Begin with unfortunate or something's literally basically which of the sports is probably the cheapest relatively Um, but you know, we're getting into travel stuff and that's ridiculous.
So, uh, I think that the smartest thing the front office City did was say we want to build a team in an atmosphere that we sort of young professionals Um, you know unmarried or just recently married will enjoy and marketing it to that audience and making an adult experience And then just you know, like every other pro sports team salting and stuff around the side that the kids are like Uh, but making it about the adults first and foremost and I Think that Lansing united tried that but I think they still sort of fell back into the youth trap I don't think any of the other clubs, uh, in our region really seem to have figured that out themselves Um, and until more clubs do I just I think you're gonna see more Lansing's more, you know, grand rapids or commences or whatever in fewer cities Um, and that's that's a remark. I mean, I would love for there to be a half dozen versions of Detroit city Uh that we competed against with all the the passion and and the excitement Um, I mean it would be awesome to be away in something like our stadium, but that's not gonna happen to us for a very long time. I've ever Yeah, yeah, I mean who like I said, it's a it's a really it's a weird, um, the nps l's a weird thing I'm trying to take Numbers and kind of do some honest earnest analysis of them, but you know, when you can't even find the numbers to begin with Um, you know, I mean I talked to a day's attar white dating, uh formerly since he's owner Really awesome guy and you know, I asked him about numbers and he was really honest as he said We never even bothered in Cincinnati. They were just weren't numbers that we were proud of we didn't like we didn't even We never announced them.
We never listed them somewhere. He said they just really don't really exist and um, I don't think that's uncommon, you know, I bet I bet if you tried to get in touch with mud or somebody at eerie, it's a pretty comfortable situation, um, you know, I reached out to somebody in Buffalo and kind of got a similar situation like we really don't have uh tons and tons of information, um available in terms of what the numbers are and You know, someone said that in order as a one club in our region You know, I've been keeping track of their attendance numbers But they have a history of over reporting so dramatically that you can't even track Growth and decline because the numbers are so bogus and this is this is someone who, um, works with that particular club So this is you know, this is not someone who's uh, you know, disgruntled with the club or something Just flat out said no, no, we just pretty much blatantly lie about it So if I gave you numbers, it wouldn't it wouldn't be of any value anyway And it's little things like that, you know, Sean earlier trying to find the correct standing on the league website It's little things like that that a club like the mp sl could do to gain such a level of legitimacy Um, and you know, just take a few steps forward I would like Those things are like these aren't difficult things to ask for lanting puts out a match report at the end of every game And they put out like an updated like she a stat sheet after every game that's for the earth so far and they're fantastic Yeah, I lancing whoever does that a lancing. I am your biggest fan like it's a one thing that I Really really love about Incredible getting something right lancing. Yeah, but we had some and we said that last season I think we probably said that the year this season before deed that that they could just find You know one or how quarter of the country find four College students in sports management programs who want to get like league work on a resume to say your job is to just collect Results from all of the teams in your region and put them up on the website and have it happen Like you know when all the games are scheduled put them up right afterwards And then preferably individual stats as well because it'd be nice for these guys to have some stuff To show potential coaches down the road And it's not that hard like cal Sean does half of himself already for fun Right, but I think um And I think that it would really make the mpsl a better league or region a better region You know if we talk about these owners meetings and stuff I think it's pretty obvious that there are you everybody's running their own little kingdoms and some people are really on top of things And some people aren't but you know having the data to be able to say your club's truly in trouble And someone needs to step in and help resolve this Um, you know you can't put your season tickets on sale three days before the regular season starts And it's they didn't know one's ever heard of in selling a hundred and twenty five hundred hundred five dollar player sponsorships And not scream this club might not survive the year.
I mean like And I hate cleveland Because they're ohio and they're cleveland and there's history there and all that kind of stuff But like I don't want them to go away because I want to keep hating them. Yeah, absolutely It's hard to hate something that doesn't exist anymore No, not cease Okay, john I thought that was a good mic drop to end the episode out. So We're just saying with my pig in this we are down the hole and we'll uh, we'll I'm sure we'll come back to this again this good stuff for the off season and for other stuff But I did feel like the kind of thing that was worth talking about um in the grand episode so um That'll do it for another edition of the Detroit city fc What I really enjoyed using that word anymore. Um, and that's what we're going to do also is is In addition to the hashtag juicing us our edition of the hashtag ash poudry Um, we're also taking suggestions for what we should call this thing.
I mean our instinct is to just sort of Uh, use the just can't get enough city name and uh for those of you who have been enjoying the stuff there as I have it's Just can't get enough dot city uh bunch of stuff from people a lot smarter than I am about this stuff Um, we shouldn't say much but they are smart. Uh, so if you get ideas, you know where to find us Um at the cfc fc don't ask what the f stands for on twitter, um, uh, uh, uh, Football or fuck you don't ask us again. Yeah, um, or individually. I am at john mozzin twitter dean At mojo dean shawn at rise.
I am underscore underscore. Um, but he didn't get enjoying from using that as well Um, sorry. I took us a long folks. You've heard some of the examples of what was going on We are going to try to take it back around to um, uh, some interviews We know folks love those we just uh for various life and everything reasons that just hasn't worked out really well But we will be trying to get back and saw those as quickly as we can and um, we've enjoyed it take care everyone