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EPISODE · Jun 11, 2026 · 54 MIN

Episode 187: Alison Lucas and Lizzie Bentley Bowers on ‘Goodbye’, the Art of Leading Change Better

from SHINY HAPPY PEOPLE with Vinay Kumar · host Vinay Kumar

Send us Fan MailFor too long, work and leadership advice has focused on beginnings – how to make a great first impression, nail a new job, or start projects on the right foot. But what about endings – how can we successfully lead through messy transitions like redundancies, retirement or mergers? In the current global environment of mass layoffs, ‘Good Bye: Leading Change Better by Attending to Endings’ is brilliantly timely, revealing how leaders can manage endings with care, respect and emotional agility. Our guests today is the dynamic author duo behind this book – top leadership coaches, Lizzie Bentley Bowers and Alison Lucas. Distilled from two decades of working with leaders in transition, and born out of practice, this highly practical book guides readers in navigating the four steps of endings – Reality, Emotion, Accomplishment and Ritual – offering a powerful framework for working through past, present, and future endings.Vinay traces Alison and Lizzie’s incredible journey to ‘Good Bye’. Hit play for the low down!   [4:30s] Their journey into coaching [10:31s] Genesis of their book ‘Good Bye’[17:29s] The need to attend to endings during transitions [24:06s] Slowing down, breaking the ‘cycle’ [40:01s] Managing ‘goodbyes’ in the age of AI[47:46s] RWL Read: Alison and Lizzie’s book, ‘Good Bye: Leading Change Better by Attending to Endings’  Alison and Lizzie’s recommendation to READ: ‘Transitions’ by William Bridges, ‘Daring Greatly’ by Brené Brown; ‘Emotional Agility’ by Susan David;   Connect with Alison on LinkedIn Connect with Lizzie on LinkedIn Connect with Vinay on LinkedIn What did you think about this episode? What would you like to hear more about? Or simply, write in and say hello! [email protected] to us on your favorite platforms – Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Tune In Alexa, Amazon Music, Pandora, TuneIn + Alexa, Stitcher, Jio Saavn and more.  This podcast is sponsored by C2C-OD, your Organizational Development consulting partner ‘Bringing People and Strategy Together’. Follow @c2cod on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook 

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Send us Fan Mail For too long, work and leadership advice has focused on beginnings – how to make a great first impression, nail a new job, or start projects on the right foot. But what about endings – how can we successfully lead through messy transitions like redundancies, retirement or mergers? In the current global environment of mass layoffs, ‘Good Bye: Leading Change Better by Attending to Endings’ is brilliantly timely, revealing how leaders can manage endings with care, respect ...

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