Episode 191: Jill Nagle, Dismantling Racism from the Inside Out

When Jill's team reached out about being on Dancing in the Discomfort Zone Podcast, a bunch of the talking points made me uncomfortable, so I knew she was perfect!  · Jill has been breaking down assumptions and healing rifts for more than 30 years. · Her first book was Whores and Other Feminists, (https://www.amazon.com/Whores-Other-Feminists-Jill-Nagle/dp/0415918227) a collection of writings by feminists in the sex industry. · She is active in a number of online communities and has been published or reviewed more than 150 times in places like American Book Review, Bust, Bitch, and The Women’s Review of Books.For the last two years, she has been running workshops and training programs for white people to take greater leadership around ending racism, in many cases, starting with a conversation with another white person — a surprisingly hard step for most of us.Jill speaks to these issues “from the inside out,” meaning that she uses a trauma-informed approach from her years as a somatic (body-based) counselor to help people engage these issues with their hearts and bodies, not just their heads. She sees this as the only way to make true change.We also talked about a bunch of other resources.  Here are those links.White Fragility book  https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414Jacob Holdt “American Pictures”  http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/Marshall Rosenberg, “Nonviolent Communication”  https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Communication-audiobook/dp/B00TKMBJKE/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32NSYZ46QZI2I&keywords=nonviolent+communication+rosenberg&qid=1658769084&s=audible&sprefix=nonviolent%2Caudible%2C91&sr=1-2Jonathan Metzler “Dying of Whiteness”  https://www.amazon.com/Dying-of-Whiteness-audiobook/dp/B07PYLTPDF/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=Cj0KCQjw_viWBhD8ARIsAH1mCd6JwYR6pR-hc0WCpv_e1xpZ8LejXhFyj7ZVD2jTxFwLQ7cFAUVffbEaAqdqEALw_wcB&hvadid=329721535873&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9012125&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=1984828312528668286&hvtargid=kwd-656717422960&hydadcr=15522_10340746&keywords=the+dying+of+whiteness&qid=1658769064&sr=8-1