Why Some Filmmakers Never See a Check, Part 2

What does a distributor wish every filmmaker understood before the first statement arrives? Distribution expenses are where a lot of filmmakers lose track of their money. They hear stories of films that never paid a dime and assume they're being taken advantage of. Joe Amodei explains what distribution expenses actually pay for, how some companies pad them, and what to ask when a charge doesn't add up. In Episode 218, Christian sits down again with Joe Amodei of Virgil Films, picking up the same day they recorded Part 1. Joe explains why Virgil releases two or three films a month, when some companies release 20, and why he hesitates every time a brand new streaming platform asks for films. He predicts more consolidation in 2024, with Paramount and Showtime already combined and Hulu titles showing up next to Disney classics, and says Netflix may be more open to licensing a really good documentary than it was a year ago. Then the part filmmakers rarely hear out loud. Joe walks through the artwork, the masters and the quality control checks that add up to distribution expenses, and admits some distributors bill $5,000 for something that cost $500. Christian shares what she's learned from her own release: monthly statements she can question, advice from Joe's partner Tim Maggiani that paid advertising wasn't worth it, and the work her team is doing to book screenings. Joe puts it plainly: nobody knows the film better than the filmmaker. Then a story from his days distributing Major League Baseball tapes, and a few Oscar picks. In this episode, you'll learn: Why Virgil releases two or three films a month Why Joe hesitates when a new streaming platform comes calling What consolidation could mean for filmmakers in 2024 Where a documentary's revenue comes from now How one-night theater screenings help a release Why filmmakers have to work their own release What distribution expenses pay for, from poster art to masters How some distributors pad expenses, and who pays for an audit Why a $25,000 marketing charge should raise questions The trades Joe reads every morning CHAPTERS 0:00 Two Films a Month 6:00 Consolidation Is Coming 10:30 Revenue Comes From Rentals 16:02 Where Does Money Go? 21:48 $25,000 Marketing Charge 24:34 Hall of Fame Tapes 28:36 Trades, Oscars, Emmys FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS What are distribution expenses? Joe Amodei of Virgil Films told Documentary First in 2024 that distribution expenses are the costs of getting a film ready for each platform, deducted from the film's proceeds. They include artwork made to each platform's specs (Netflix, he says, wants 19 versions of the poster art), a digital house creating separate masters for Netflix, iTunes, Fandango at Home and others, and redoing any master that fails quality control. Why don't some filmmakers get paid by their distributor? Christian Taylor told Documentary First in 2024 she has heard filmmakers say they never received a check because of distribution expenses. Joe Amodei of Virgil Films said real costs come out of the proceeds first, but some distributors pad them, billing $5,000 for something that cost $500. At Virgil, he says, you can call and go over your statement line by line. An audit is possible, but the filmmaker pays for it unless it finds the distributor did wrong. Should a distributor charge $25,000 for marketing? Joe Amodei of Virgil Films told Documentary First in 2024 that filmmakers have come to him after being charged a $25,000 marketing cost, and his question is always where it was spent. Ten years ago there were magazines, newspapers and late night TV spots to buy. Those don't exist the way they did. Virgil's contracts say it won't hire a PR firm, and he says paying $15,000 for PR means you haven't done your homework. How does a documentary make money today? Speaking in early 2024, Joe Amodei of Virgil Films told Documentary First that in most cases a film's revenue comes from rentals and sales on iTunes, Amazon, Fandango at Home and similar sites, so marketing and social media should point there. One-night screenings in art house theaters, often empty early in the week, bring in some money and help the transactional release. A big streaming deal is no longer something to count on. Listen and Follow https://pod.fo/e/4a7ff1 Support the show Rate us, share an episode, or get our free guides: https://documentaryfirst.com/pages/support Connect All social platforms: https://linktr.ee/doc1st Christian Taylor on LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/meetchristiantaylor About the Guest Joe Amodei is the founder and CEO of Virgil Films and Entertainment, a traditional distributor that releases two or three films a month so it can build a plan with each filmmaker. Earlier in his career he distributed Major League Baseball tapes. Virgil's releases include Super Size Me, Restrepo, Forks Over Knives and I Am Chris Farley. Virgil Films | Instagram | X Joe invites filmmakers to reach him directly at [email protected]. About Virgil Films Virgil Films and Entertainment is a traditional distribution company founded by Joe Amodei. It acquires the rights to documentaries and independent films and places them on digital platforms, TV, DVD, in theaters and with international buyers. Its releases include Super Size Me, Restrepo, Forks Over Knives and I Am Chris Farley, and it distributes Christian's film The Girl Who Wore Freedom. Full disclosure: Virgil Films distributes The Girl Who Wore Freedom and now sponsors Documentary First. This episode has no sponsor read. About Documentary First Documentary First is a weekly podcast about the people behind documentaries and how the work changed them. Host Christian Taylor, director of the award-winning The Girl Who Wore Freedom, talks with filmmakers, distributors, entertainment lawyers, actors and more, from Ken Burns and PBS American Masters creator Susan Lacy to first-timers, across nearly 300 conversations. Each week brings one of two formats: a long-form conversation with the people behind films for HBO, Netflix, PBS and independent film, or The Deep Dive, where Christian takes one insight from a recent conversation and follows it wherever it leads. 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