EPISODE · Jun 17, 2026 · 1H 1M
Episode 237: Credit Card Skimmer to Police Trainer: Lessons from Both Sides of Crime with Michael Perez & Steven Webster
from Gravity Podcast · host Chris Littrell and Jaimie Littrell
What happens when a former criminal and a retired police officer join forces to protect organizations from the very crimes they once investigated from opposite sides?In Episode 237 of the Gravity Podcast, host Christopher Littrell sits down with Michael Perez and Steven Webster of MICCLO, a company focused on helping organizations identify vulnerabilities, prevent fraud, and strengthen security.Michael's story is one of the most compelling we've ever featured on the podcast. After becoming involved in a sophisticated skimming operation that compromised financial information and led to federal felony convictions, he ultimately served time in prison and rebuilt his life. Today, he uses his firsthand knowledge of criminal tactics to help organizations, financial institutions, and law enforcement understand how these crimes occur and how to stop them before they happen.Joining him is Steven Webster, a retired law enforcement professional whose career was spent pursuing criminals, investigating fraud, and protecting communities. Together, Michael and Steven provide a unique perspective that combines the mindset of the offender with the experience of the investigator.In this conversation, we discuss:Michael's journey from criminal activity to redemption and purposeHow skimming operations work and why they continue to be effectiveLessons learned from both sides of the justice systemThe power of accountability, second chances, and personal transformationPractical steps organizations can take to protect themselves from fraud and financial crimeThis episode is a powerful reminder that our worst decisions do not have to define our future. Whether you're in law enforcement, business, leadership, or simply interested in stories of resilience and redemption, you'll find valuable lessons in this conversation.Listen now and discover how experience from both sides of the law can help create safer organizations and stronger communities.Connect with Steven or MichaelWebsitePaid PromotionFirst Responder Health and Wellness - An exclusive for Gravity Podcast listeners, Please use Gravity15 for a 15% discount code. To schedule a free inquiry call or to purchase supplements go to www.firstresponderhealth.netConnect with GravityLinkedIn I Facebook I Instagram I YouTube I Website Contact Chris or Jaimie at: [email protected] credit: https://pixabay.com/music/corporate-news-corporate-8307/
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Episode 237: Credit Card Skimmer to Police Trainer: Lessons from Both Sides of Crime with Michael Perez & Steven Webster
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