Episode 274 – Stop Guessing on Chemotherapy: The Live Cell Test Most Doctors Miss

Deb 00:02What if I told you that before a single drop of chemotherapy goes into a cancer patient's body, we can take a blood sample, grow their actual living cancer cells in a lab, and test 70 different drugs against those cells, all outside the patient's body, to find out which ones actually work. And what if I told you that the conventional oncology doesn't routinely use this test? Well, today we're going to talk about why that matters and we're going to go through and I'm going to share a story that is very personal to me. It's about a 38 year old man with a rare complex cancer diagnosis and the precision testing that is helping to keep that cancer from progressing. Stay with me. This is one that is going to change how you think about cancer treatment.Deb 01:05You guys can put a little ad right in here before we start the next segment here. Hey everybody, welcome back to Let's Talk Wellness Now. I'm Dr. Deb and today we're going deep. I mean really deep. It's some of the most cutting edge cancer testing I have ever seen in clinical practice. Now, normally I don't talk about cancer. And I would not be sharing this story if it was anyone other than my own family. I do have permission to share and talk about this publicly. So I want to do this. I want to make sure that I share this message. And he is giving his blessing to share this story because we both believe that it can save lives. So his name is Cameron. He's 38 years old. And he is my son-in-law. And two years ago, he came to me with a small lymph node underneath his arm and a bullseye rash. So of course, being the lime literate person that I am, my first inclination was to say, yeah, this makes sense. You have an enlarged lymph node because you have this bullseye rash. You got bit by the tick. Let's keep an eye on it. If it doesn't go away, let me know. So Fast forward a year and a half later, he comes to me and says, mom, what do you think about this? This thing is getting a little bit larger. And I said, yeah, it's a little larger. Not sure. Let's keep an eye on it. He wasn't feeling anything. All his labs looked okay. And then one day he was out chopping wood and he started getting numbness in that arm and he felt it again. And it had exploded in size. And so after some evaluation with my daughter and him, we decided to do a ultrasound. And we thought what was going to come back was a fatty tumor. It felt like one looks like one responded to one. He's 38 years old. He's healthy. There's nothing in our mind that's ever thinking the result that we're going to get back.Deb 03:28Is a possible lymphoma. Needless to say, we were shocked by that ultrasound result. And we go fast forward, we have the biopsy. I requested a total excisional biopsy. I was told by the oncologist that that was old school. They don't do that that way anymore. And I need to stay out of this. I need to let the experts take care of this because that's what they do best. And this came from a breast surgeon here in Wisconsin. And so I stepped back for a moment. I let him do his biopsy and what came back was adenocarcinoma of an unknown origin. Had we excised the entire lymph node, we would have had more tissue to work with. I think we could have gotten a better diagnosis. So over the course of the next two and a half, three months, we have some more imaging done. We have some more testing done. They send a pathology out to Mayo Clinic. And what continues to come back is this incongruent test results. If anybody's ever had this, it's extremely frustrating. One test shows lymphoma. Now it shows breast cancer. Then the next week it shows estrogen receptor HER2 positive breast cancer. Two weeks later, another test comes back and it says, no, it's not HER2, it's triple negative breast cancer. And now it looks like it's out of the lymph nodes. Now it looks like it's in the lymph nodes. And we do a PET scan and they can't find cancer anywhere except in this axilla area. But now we find a lymph node on the right side. So it must have spread.Let's go ahead and do a biopsy on that. And so they biopsy the right side and the right side comes back with nothing other than tattoo ink. Now, all of this is kind of crazy. I am not a cancer specialist. I want to start by saying that I am not a cancer specialist. What I am sharing today is from a mother-in-law's perspective, from a medical detective's perspective, I do know how to do research. I do know how to find answers. And so what I'm going to share with youDeb 05:54is totally my opinion and totally my experience. And I'm not telling anybody to do anything different than what their doctors are telling them to do. But I am telling you to ask questions. So I go deep down the rabbit hole and find out that Tattoo Ink can appear like metastatic cancer on a PET scan. And we all know everybody gets tattoos today. They're all over everyone. And yet we're not thinking about how this tattoo ink can cause problems for us down the road, not to mention that there are heavy metals in them and it's a toxin and it's creating an inflammatory process in your body that your body's constantly trying to get rid of. So the surgeon says to us, well, yes, that's normal that that lymph nodes inflamed. It's normal that there's tattoo ink in it. The body's doing what it's supposed to do. It's trying to get rid of a toxin. Okay. I will agree with that, but My son-in-law is covered with tattoos everywhere. And why didn't we mention the tattoo ink that was found in the left axilla? We are only mentioning it in the right axilla. So there's a lot of controversy, a lot of confusion. Many of you would never know any of this because A, you either don't look at your lab results. And if you do, you don't understand what you're looking at. And that creates a problem for us, right? You don't know what questions to ask. So we go into the doctor and the doctor tells us you have cancer and we're going to swoop you in. And in the next two weeks, you're going to be doing chemotherapy and radiation. And six months from now, we're going to be doing surgery and there's no time for questions and you're scared shitless and you're just doing what you can to survive. And I get that. And I totally understand that. And I appreciate that. But I'm telling you that If that is your choice, that is your choice. But as you're doing that, take the time to ask the right questions. When this happened to us, there was a lot of challenging things with the oncology team. Nobody bothered to allow them to be a partner in their care. They dictated their care, but didn't allow them to be a partner. So,Deb 08:17Here's what most oncologists do when patients get a cancer diagnosis. They look at the tumor type, they look at the stage, they look up the NCC guidelines, the National Comprehensive Cancer Network, and they follow the algorithm. Now, I have an enormous respect for conventional oncology. I really do. Working with cancer is probably one of the hardest things in medicine that anyone can do. The advances in this field over the last 10 years have been remarkable. But here's my issue. Standard treatment assumes your cancer is the same as the cancer in the clinical trial that created the guidelines. It's assuming that you and your cancer are the exact same as everyone else. You are the unique fingerprint, not the cancer. And this is the problem because your cancer is unique, just as unique as if you had your fingerprint taken, the mutations driving your tumor, the drugs your cancer cells are sensitive to, the metabolic vulnerabilities of your cancer. These are all different from the person sitting next to you in the chemo suite that has the same triple negative breast cancer or HER2 positive breast cancer or prostate cancer or colon cancer that you have.So what do do about that? Well, in my world, in the integrative medicine world, we test precisely, intelligently with the tools that most oncologists have never heard of. Or if they have, they haven't incorporated it into their treatment modality for a variety of reasons. Either it's not acceptable by the organization that they work for, they don't understand it, They're not going to be able to change their protocol anyway because they have to follow the NCCN protocol. So they don't do it or they use a portion of it and they don't do anything outside the protocol. So today I want to cover three things with you, three tools that we used that I think every cancer patient should be asking for when they start treatment or wherever you are in treatment at this point.Deb 10:44you need to have these tests done. I don't have any affiliation with any of these companies. I don't get paid to tell you any of this. So let me just start by saying that I understand the chemistry behind these and how important it is to give you precision cancer treatment. And that's why I'm talking about them today. The first one we're going to talk about is the North Star response. This is your cancer surveillance score in the blood. How much cancer is circulating in the blood. The North Star Select, your cancer's genomic blueprint from a blood draw. And the Datar Cancer Genetic Chemoscale, the live cell drug sensitivity test that tells us which drugs actually kill your cancer. So let's go. Let's dive into this. Let me just take a drink here. I'm going to cough a little bit. I apologize. I have this horrible tickle. It just never seems to go away, but that is not for today to discuss. So what is all of this? OK, the North Star response is a test that was developed by a company called Billion to One. And yes, that name is intentional because of the precision involved. It's a next generation sequencing test, meaning it reads DNA at an incredibly detailed level. And it looks at something called methylated circulating tumor DNA or methylated CT DNA....