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So thank you all again and without further ado, here is part two of the final episode of Black Panther with Waffle Cast Podcast. Okay, so we're going to move on. Dang, that was just the pre-spoilers. No, we're going to tell you that Black Panther sucks.
No, I'll get you walked out first guys. So I will start off this, here's the thing I did like about the film. I did like the cool things about it. The, you know, the EMP beads, like just everything around it.
I liked it. I did because I've never seen them before. Oh, the bees. Well, okay, there's something I kept thinking they're talking about like sense of beans.
Oh my gosh. What kind of ones you threw on the car? The ones they were like? I think I finally realized it's the one I have a complaint about that.
Okay, right. I think it was worth the memory. She's like, I have an up and the next idea. I do it.
I have no, I have no way. She's like, it's boring. When he's like, oh, king of the castle, king of the castle. Like she's one when she's like, I have an upgrade.
I thought the brace is worth those upgrades. Yeah, it was a lot of it was very confusing. Yeah. Also that sneakers joke was in there just to reference black people love sneakers.
And then they just were like, just kidding. Here's where those right on hand. I thought she was going to joke about a speed for a little bit. I thought she was going to make fun of his toenails.
I thought it was better anything, but just because it was just like your wearing sandals. And then she was like, what are those? And you're like, oh, man, just be happy that the jokes were a little bit subtle. They weren't like Thor Ragnarok jokes.
It was too many. Oh, yeah. I heard that. Yeah.
It wasn't as I said, it was 12 ounces of comedy in a 10 ounce glass. Don't we're wrong. I like the Ragnarok, but I mean, this was like, I never saw Ragnarok. I enjoyed it.
It's really funny. It had to go down some comedy in a 10 ounce glass. Yeah, but it was a good film. But yeah, Black Panther was like, did you watch it?
I did. I did. I was a big. I was a huge fan of TicowatTT.
Yeah. Have you guys seen like, you were one of the other people? Yes. Yes.
Thank you. Yes. Fucking that movie was fantastic. I love that movie.
Yes. Because they got over something right this time. Every time I've explained it at a long time, you come here. You come here and you get to thank you.
Thank you. Every time I talk about that movie, no one's like, no one's like, no one's like, no one's like, what else was that? What else was that? Exactly.
No one's like, no one. No, I'm from the movie. I'm from the movie. And then I'm what you ask me guy.
And then also like, because I also I really I had a lot of hate relationship with Thor Ragnarok. I like the tone. I think like you said, like it's 12 ounce, how many in 10 ounce glass? That's the perfect way to sum it up.
Exactly. One thing like you're not making this thing a comedy like it very much become like, yeah, like it took on a lot of the stuff that like it was inspired by the Jack Kirby designs was very angular. The color the fact that you had Mark, mother's blog come on and do the score because Mark, mother box scores, I'm a big evo person. So it's like his his fantastic.
Jump Street was fantastic. Yeah, his score for Jump Street. I mean, he's the guy who created the music for like Crash Bandicoot. So yeah, that was the thing.
It's just a Danny Elfman anymore. Because that guy's out of ideas. That man's got 50 shades, man. I'm sorry.
Really? And I just lost it in Justice League. The one woman's team comes up. We did it for all three.
Oh, he's part of this director for those movies. The director of Glenberry, Glen Ross. James Foley. Yeah, he did the second and third one.
Yeah, yeah. Back to back. No, no, no. How do we make these better?
And they're like, higher shit. Higher straight love shit. Okay, going on to the spoilers. I like that part about it.
Hey, I'm going to, this is Jason and I. We got another movie last night like one in the morning. So we're walking back and the thing I liked about it is that they made it to me. This is just to me.
And because Jason and Colton have really challenged me, I'm like, look at film contextually audiences that are watching it. Don't look at it as a film critic. That's like, because I can tear that movie apart compared to gorgeous movies and ones that are going up for Oscars and all these kinds of stuff. You can't compare the two.
You really can't. So compare it to what it is. So what it is are the audiences that are going to go watch it. People in general of every race whatsoever.
I loved how it was just political enough. Okay. Yeah. I like that.
I like how it was just enough. Literally finishing instances. Yeah. I can't.
It was just political enough for me to be like, okay, now Killmonger, almost every single man that came out of his mouth. Man, leave Michael B. Jordan alone. I like Michael B.
Jordan. I just didn't like him in this. It was like everything I did. I want to be a cannon.
I told Jason like, with the movie. Half time is Game Time guys. I'm here to burn it all. I was like, yeah, come on man.
You're almost there. That was a weird experience for me. So the part that was like the motive of the antagonizer in the very beginning, you hear his standpoint in the very middle overcoming the conflict, which is Tachala, to achieve hit. You can say his motive again three times and at the very end he reinforces it when he dies.
That's what it should be. The very beginning, what his motive is. The second one achieving something to become at the very end, whether he failed or succeeded his motive again. But almost every single line, almost the blocking of him, just how he jerked himself, what he did was so much in to a point that I was like, I don't believe this.
He was like, I'm a big old scary black man. I don't want some grits. No, I do. Yes.
I'm not afraid of that. No, but I did enjoy it. Right. That there's a lot of movies out today.
And again, we talk about this a lot that I don't want to be in a racially-intested way or anything like that. But I did enjoy that a lot of movies, they could have done a lot. They could have done a lot of more racially-charged things in this film. But they didn't.
And I told Jason last night and he actually pointed out something. I was like, oh yeah, but they did that. As I said that when T'Challa, he's like, we did this. This is our responsibility.
We charge this. Like this is our problem. And it wasn't blaming any other race. It wasn't blaming any other people.
It was we did this. I liked that point in the movie. I liked that they did this. That's when he goes and meets the council, right?
Yeah. Yeah. And he says he goes, it also goes and started in Africa. No, when he goes and starts at the same time and he's like, I didn't want this and he's like, you were wrong father, you were wrong.
We did this. I liked that because they take responsibility for that. But Jason- No, he's having the heart. Jason.
So I don't think so much as it's racially like we did this as in Black-on-Black, it was more of the people that have the means to help others didn't do it. It has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with anything else but you have the means to help people and you did it. It was an eternal shift of consciousness for him.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I appreciated that. And that's why these like, okay, I can get this.
And that's why when I was talking before I have like I can see why people enjoy it. I can see why that, like I can tear apart on so many different levels like the motivations, on pacing, the blocking horrible, well not blocking as crude, but just how the shots and the editing, it just didn't work. It looked rushed in a lot of places. I just didn't enjoy it.
But on those notes, I can appreciate it. I liked it. I enjoyed it. I didn't walk out thinking this is the worst Marvel movie ever, but I didn't think it's the revolutionary change of a century.
Yeah. I think that I agree. Just going back to the marketing. I think that was unfair.
It's sort of like I would compare it to, OK, I'm going to get off track for a second. My favorite one of my favorite video games of all time is Shadow of the Colossus. I just got done listening to that. But did you?
Yeah. Yeah. No, somebody else's. I don't want to.
No. So anyways, fast forward, like 10 years later, the two finally the director of that game comes out with a sequel. It can never live up to that. Like, that's not even.
Yeah, that's what it was supposed to be a spiritual success. Was it like a straight sequel? It's a single single they don't like. That's what I learned.
I've learned like, well, Bandcamp is a spiritual successor to the American Heart franchise. Yeah, I was going to DVD those. That was making my first. Yeah, so I think it was first for me.
I can actually have a bandcamp on theaters. It actually came out on theaters. Yeah, I know you guys. Bandcamp is right here.
Fuck. That must have sucked. It's going to get enough to continue a $5,000 opening weekend, guys. Fuck that, dude.
We're hitting the big bucks. Oh, yeah. But just I just think it was unfair. Like, nothing can shoulder that burden.
That's just not a fair context to put the movie in. As I like, this is the hope of an entire culture of people. It's just not fair. 400 years.
400 years. And a movie that's established with a giant purple man on the face going like, this doesn't put a smile on my face. And I'm purple Bruce Willis. And you're totally right, because there's nothing that will live up to the hype.
I think the saddest thing is the hype and false hope we put in stupid shit is what we're also realizing. And my big wrap at the marketing going into it was Disney capitalizing on the fact that there's a bunch of fucking dummies. And they won't say they don't like it, because they don't want to be racist. And they'll say they have to like it, because it's for the culture.
It's like saying like, Eminem progressed black music further than anybody else, because that's an actual argument people make in music circles. And it's like, the fuck did you just say? Like, did you just hear his last album? He's out of tricks, baby.
Like, you can wear white crazy for so long. Like, Alaska that was white and crazy just shot up at school. And like, that's as gangster as a shit gets. So you want to hear songs about that or not?
You know what I mean? Like, it's that thing where I think we make jokes to that movie white man's bird in Sir and John Travolta. Wow. No, no, no, no.
It's not on John Travolta. Oh, no, no, no. Just that sense is that movie white man's bird in white man's bird in white man's bird in white man's bird in Sir and John Travolta. Yeah.
Yeah. But it's the thing where it's like someone having this high concept of like imagine if a white man had a black man's problems where they seem that more important. And it's like, that was the whole society for you in that movie. Yeah.
And it was like, yeah. And no, because every culture has problems, like every culture has a hurdle they're trying to overcome. Right. Even for a humanization in modern culture, for some it's like being viewed as an aggressor.
And I feel like what the movie did, is it brought up those motifs. Just enough. And I think to its detriment to me, anyways, to its detriment, because it it's like, okay, so Killmonger's dad is either a gangbanger? Well, I didn't get that or whatever.
Yeah. He was a gangbanger who was using vibranium to help. Yeah. Right.
So why was he said that there was a spy in the first place? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Never saw one guy where you don't have to go super deep.
Nazi Nazis were in a movie. was what it was trying to do politically, was the four minutes into it. So when they start really talking about shit, he's like, show me your loyal or whatever the fuck the conversation leads to. And he shows him his lip and his lips glowing.
And I'm like, we could have had a real moment and you just killed it with your fake sci-fi glowy shit. You know what I mean? And that to me is the issue is like, if you wanted to go historically, this is 1992, post-Riding King beating. The riots are happening.
Is this man in America responsible for the Black Panther movement reigniting around the time of the Riding King riots? Because they're the only ones that got some peace in those neighborhoods for those people. So he wasn't a fucking bad guy. And then my other issue was the original start of the Black Panther movement, when it dissolved.
If Wakanda is responsible for this, what that dad was trying to say is like, we've left our people here and now they're killing each other. Meaning that when the Black Panthers disbanded mid-70s, the blood and crypts were born. There could have been so much more context. There could have been so much more depth.
And that would have built it up. It would immediately just, all you needed was like five more minutes. And I would have bought into whatever dumb CG bullshit you threw at me. I would have bought into like, I called him sneakers.
What are those? Pucking the white boy. So I'm gonna feed you to my kids. He's like, I'm just kidding.
Yeah. Like, you know, when I get playing up those stereotypes, but when you play up those stereotypes for jokes, but you're not going into the causality. You're not rooting anything. Yeah, I agree.
Because technically the way you described Killmonger's arc is actually the arc of a hero. Yeah. So the bad guy who sucks is Black Panther. And I told Carl when I was like, you know what had been interesting movie?
If when he throws him off the waterfall, Killmonger becomes the next Black Panther. And then he has to also realize the weight of wanting the responsibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's totally justified.
You fucking killed my dad. You left me over there. Our people are dying, his whole thing of that line when they're talking to the council is, started in Africa are not all people are responsibility. And the charlotte doesn't say shit to that.
And it's like, yeah, he's right. I'm rooting for that guy. So like the whole time they're fighting, and he has him over the cliff edge, me and Carmen are like, this is fucking cool. Like someone finally got resolved for what they went through.
And I think that's the only time ever to. That's the way they went to say fruit. Yeah, I don't know what to say. Yeah, and I told Carmen, this is where you mimic the Bucky Barnes story.
And he reestablishes that killmonger doesn't have to be a bad guy, right? Like he lost that ability to make that right, I guess you could say. Yeah. And I don't know.
That to me was my bigger issue with it. So all my other gripes are like things like blocking and lazy shots and stuff that was just distracting. Where's like, what the fuck? What's happening right now?
I think the one thing, because I tried to find positive. The one thing positive about the killmonger's story where he said, you're almost on his side. When I totally get you're almost like, do this guy is right. Like he totally got screwed.
Yeah, but the whole thing is like, yeah, I totally get that. He did get screwed. And then the whole thing with Panther coming back and then taking him back off the throne and taking him down. You're like, man, was that right?
The thing about that, I like that, because in that guy at the end of it when the one thing around the throne does finally die, you're like, wow, dude, I do feel bad for this guy. Like, maybe the right decision was to get to Charla back on the throne, because he maybe would have been a better king. But now, the movie did a good job of making you feel bad for the villain. You're like, man, it's for once, yeah.
You're like, wow, that guy maybe wasn't actually villain. I feel bad for him. The way that the way quad was acting in the movie may be very glad that they just got rid of him. Yeah, I really didn't like the scene when I was saying that shit.
No, not that. When they go into the Art Museum, or the Art of the Art of the Art Museum and they're going to take the medal. Yeah, and that gives you a hint of how his performance is going how his performance is going to be. Yeah.
And he also tells the guy, I'll let you go and then he runs away and then he shoots him. And then people start laughing. I was like, dude, that wasn't funny. But it brings you back to my, my, my super fucked up.
And you're laughing at that. Yeah. Murders back up his head. Like the fuck?
Yeah. Like that's humor. Because Marvel has conditioned you. Yeah.
That's that's comedy. That was like, what else like, dude, that wasn't funny. Yeah. That's fucked up.
You should feel bad for that man. Not laughing. The real just said, you can get away. Not like dude.
That's not like that. Like actually like what just happened. Yeah. That's not.
But I know what happened. And anyone else kind of pick up like it's obviously like the James Bond like spyish kind of vibe a little bit. The Globetrotting ask kind of plot. So I know you know it.
So yeah. So yeah, they can see no things. I had to justify myself with when it came to call like that because in that moment you're right. That shit's not funny.
But like they try to definitely play it up like it's the campy kind of Bond villain like oh, I'm kind of kind of get you out. This is so weird that we're on the same as I've been. Okay. So yesterday afternoon, I went to go watch the movie Jason Ginket back to me.
We was supposed to watch it. Three. He didn't get back to me because I might text him go through. So I want to go watch it by myself.
And I'm like, dude, he sounds like a Bond villain. He told me something about Bond villain. He's like, no, it's my brain. It's from Wakanda and women take it back.
You're painting that shit. They kept repeating that fact every single time. As long as the bullets keep hitting him, he'll be all right. Yeah.
It's just like, yeah, I know. I'm in country. I was like, he sounds like Bond villain. Yeah.
Those are my girls. I told Carmen, like it's hard to write these like model movies on like a singular basis because you have to like you have to grade on a scale now. Yeah. Right!
I was like, I was like Martin Freeman's character. There's really no connection to anything. And almost oddly enough, this time it works against it. Where it's like, shouldn't this thing be super pivotal based on the idea that your next movie is this big ass adventure arc?
Yeah. I definitely thought that too when I was a little bummed out that it didn't. I was like, you know what I'm thinking? I was like, you know what I did okay?
Is it standalone? It just bums me out that it didn't connect. Yeah. It's like it could have been cooler but it's still cool.
You know what I mean? It was like, yeah, yeah, it was still a good move. Like, I'll give you around, it wasn't great. It was almost like a casual easygoing movie.
It's almost like once it was over they were like wow that was cool and like the directors are looking at it I go wow kids are big picture and the one guy goes Don't really be moving coming up next like we could have introduced and then I'll go don't We'll still make some cash. It's okay. It's like let it release. Yeah, but I mean that doesn't hurt me too bad My feelings are hurt.
It was cool and yes that In both of y'all everyone actually here that's you know fans of rank cooler We'll take it down a little bit. How do you think that directing? I think it was most likely overshadowed by a studio because you can tell there's there are scenes in lines that lead to a more interesting script So like the scene where Kilmogre goes back to his apartment once he takes power Wakanda, right? I thought that was gonna be longer.
I hope that was longer I was hoping that the movie because the way they set that up the way the father reacts to him is almost like telling his son that Don't do it the way I did it though, right? Like I abandoned I abandoned two people my country I never took you back and to I let these people kill each other. Yeah, I thought when he woke up He was gonna be like changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah And that cost a little bit of a just a shit a conflict.
Almost like an anti-hero. Yeah, yeah I thought there was gonna be more of an inner struggle. Yeah, and then he just wakes up and is like burn the shit bitch. Yeah, yeah Burn all down.
Yeah, yeah, it was like the weirdest shit to me. It was like what the fuck? Yeah, I thought that's what they were going right. They were going right.
I kind of thought maybe the dad didn't say enough to really They probably cut it out. Yeah, I hit that screw. I mean to really make me go You know what dad you're right like cuz that's his main mortem is like dude You killed my dad abandoned me so then I really thought his dad would say a little more to go like son I know what you want, but this isn't like how you should do it But then like maybe I would have been too blunt and they wanted it to be like he needs to decide for himself Yeah, and that to me would have been more beautiful because the way Carmen had mentioned after watching it was like if if do's from get out Ended up being the actual bad guys guys. I know he ends up leaning towards because he could have been like the whisper in the ear Kind of the other that's he would have been fucking awesome Yeah, if like he was just waiting for someone to take power Whether it was to cholar somebody else you can get like we're manipulating it around his little gender that his dad died in that UN thing And I think the reason to kind of go all of our grip kind of seems like they made like Bozeman really just like man Yeah, super like whatever like things were happening around him.
He wasn't active He wasn't like an active protagonist. That's fair because of the fact though that his his origin is in another fucking movie Origin is in the UN bombing. Yeah, I did like how good point But I did like how we found out that like the very beginning the child like that can't tell me story other beginning of our people I thought that was a chocolate first. Yeah, that was cool.
Yeah, it was him. Yeah But that obviously gave you enough to get you to root and like care for the bad guys I was a protagonist because it's like and this is just me kind of because I had to think about civil war for a second So does that mean that if he didn't technically have the throne all the two what was it? I was running that too like did he earn it no right at this point? It's doing this right man homecoming thing where's like what time does this actually take place in yeah?
He already had the fucking the flower powers because Drink that shit yeah, well they still these they gave it a deep power hand Because he already had the power so he had to still that means that he stole the students civil war right It was still that powerful and civil war doesn't make any damn No, you can't take a flower eat the flower go back to still the suit and then go back and fight and then he still made it to the catch that fucking Audi on the freeway No, he was there on a fucking you and me with his dad I mean you can argue and this is probably not Lord, but you can add like fan lore you can argue that I was like you can probably throw argument out there and this is me trying to defend it It's just for the sake of it like the lore where everyone at him you could be like oh since he was a human with his dad Maybe he was black panther up to protect his dad Maybe that cose in the play you couldn't even protect your dad You're not a real king kind of deal so that could play into maybe he was because that can't black panther up So maybe he was just taking the role of the pan don't know that meaning could have He was not pretty old dude Maybe yeah, maybe the prince was the panther to protect his dad and that's a and also failed to do so Not to cut anybody off but the young force would agree not like fucking force would agree at all So lazy would even be Yeah, something yeah, I would have done the iPad Yeah, yeah, no, I'm sorry I was just gonna say is like just bouncing off what you were saying especially about like I would have loved the fact Is it's like he did not earn the suit coming back to silver work? That's what it very much felt like like at the end of civil war with like he kind of like you know Like he goes after Zemo instead and yeah, it's like the kind of like I forgive you not really But like I rather take you into serve justice and then kind of like lead into that and going like okay Yeah, this is a guy who hasn't earned it kind of reminds me of like almost like I don't want to say like a reverse Thor ish Kind of where it's like the humility remember how like in Thor one all the way back to phase one everybody Yeah, I was like Thor hasn't earned shadys like flipping his hammer up and try taking out frost giants. Yeah, I remember that cross giants Yeah, so it's kind of like a Arizona summer and it's the humility and like one and I have that responsibility I kind of wanted something not like close to that But something that said like all right if he's a little bit of a brat I get it from like all right Yeah More sense that even in civil war how he was so stoic and one-track minded that they were deluded to it in this movie that he was Just so in throw-by rage he came back to the suit Because of the death of his father because of the death of his father He's comonter. Yeah, well even just new example because we were talking about this on the way Um it was it almost kind of feels like it could have also been like side tangent here It's like Simon pegs character from Hot Fuzz where he was very much like very stoic in your face at the beginning And all you had to do was just shut off that big old melon of his you know what I mean like that's the actual line I know but it was just like being able to take in that joy of life and being able to save it something along those lines For me to actually kind of give a damn.
I don't know maybe that's just me in terms of thinking like there's so much I could have been done Yeah, but like cuz it's like yeah that he's got some sort of charisma kind of flowing maybe but he's really stoic and he's like I'm trying to get With these lines but this accent got me fucking confused Yeah Everyone else sounds great fucking Bozeman But the thing is that the first time I heard Bozeman talk was in Civil War and then I went to go watch 42 and I was like that was weird for me Because the first time I talked like I am from my conduct, you know all these kind of crap I'm good, but you do good black man boys They just took an African man's voice So like to me the accent wasn't horrible because I've ever seen him in you know kind of thing and I was like whatever Here he gets like really elongated because you can tell he's not comfortable with it Yeah because he doesn't have a lot of lines that were in this Everything's mad slow, yeah, it almost kind of shit up to me It almost kind of sounded like I don't know if you guys I'm sure you guys have seen me and I made this joke in the theater You got to knuckles. Yeah, cuz it's like I ended up cracking a couple of few times every time we kept saying the way Yeah, let me show you the way and then a bunch of the clicking noises It was a I guess it's a nitpick but it was just like when it came to Bozeman's voice It's like I could kind of hear it breaking every now and again Yeah, it did a little bit like certain parts like I thought it was more solid civil war Like in You know did he ever say and the trailer when he does that whatever we decide now I didn't hear it And then he's like I don't care about helping anybody else by yeah, yeah, yeah Killmonger or gold panther I did like I did like spoilers also for everybody who should be listening to this section of the podcast I did like his death. I thought it was a nice death where they to tell like I did because I like to tell I was like you can't swim up a waterfall. You mean killmongers killmongers.
Yeah, yeah No, not like I'm like I'm like I think I'm a 45-man and goes maybe we can still save you Yeah, I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, right? I'm in the heart That's the thing that I didn't like that like to charlotte to me kill monger There was no huge progression of any character It was just like the small little click that happened to people bring But like an idea that we need to expose what con to the rest of the world that is a major mental shift And I you can see that kind of in when he's talking to his father's we mess up We need to always think but you never to charlotte never gave monger the option of like what you're saying is right Yeah, you're right Eric or you're right. He's in there. You're right Eric You're right.
Yeah, can we save you I need you for the future right? No cuz killmongers arc was the arc of a hero right? Yeah, yeah, you can see that and I understand that and Jason We're finally excited that it was it that the villain wasn't a beam from the sky No, it was still it's like it's weird like I don't know Maybe if you guys might be not tired of this or not But it's like are you guys at a point when it comes to some of the marble villains where they're literally just like almost like antithesis of they're always They're the good Yeah, I mean you want to feel so that's like I know what I'm saying like what do you guys feel about that at this point? Especially with the MCU That's just me asking I mean you got it all three ironmen is every single one every single yeah Every single one but in this one I wish that they would have done something like I said like yeah that's a child that realizes I need him There's making that I need to further what kind of let me say I would have a cancel the panthers would have been dope if you had like a league Almost like a Batman incorporated you know where it's like oh there's there's more than one tribe here Which I asked carman didn't make any fucking sense I was like so there's five tribes of Wakanda he rules them all but none of them have a fucking say so anything And then one of them says like I need your help and he's like no I think what I think one of them has their own individual King that answers to each other so is I didn't fully catch that though because I was like it wasn't it wasn't fully explained properly They showed the five tribes each tribe has their land, but he's king of Wakanda, which is what all those five tribes rest on Yeah, they're all like Representatives from each one that kind of like a governor like sovereign nations We're gonna have a plate guy and then they had the it was like the reversal like the episode one council Where was like that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah I think that's what it was each one had like they govern their own but they fell underneath the charlotte's rule even that guy Opposed to charlotte beginning that's why he had the balls to be like So also and maybe because maybe this might have been just me because I thought maybe my stepdad or something really um when Killmongers delivering claw to Dan Glue's character. Where was that at? Where was that at? The Rhino cage Fire jets Isn't there like a huge force feel around Wakanda anyways right outside of it is that they they patrol and guard the gate I wanted to make sure because I was like I had no idea where that was at right outside of it To let him in okay, yeah first I thought maybe I got this man for you.
Let me see already This is Joe Berg Cuz He knew exactly where to go like cuz he has that had that book yeah, yeah, so he Mm-hmm my overall gripe with it is it's completely passive. It's like it's brain candy movie shit Where it's completely passive and I got so carman like it's it's it's not my movie It's not for me. It's not this revolution that people are making out to be I think the thing that bugged me the most about it was The story points that were almost pretty much verbatim ripped from Manas steel and Wonder Woman Which where here's your bad guy just kidding not your bad guy That's your bad guy and then all the technology and hero arc is from Manas steel Which is all of our magical beads come out of some shit we have here on our ships and stuff and then it's like the editing I look familiar that's and in all that beginning And then the whole arc of how you defeat killmonger is zod not a man Determined to show the true power of Krypton to the rest of the galaxy and Earth Yeah, he wants over like and reclaim it and then make Earth Krypton, which is what Killmonger wants to do Yeah, so they fight you could say that Superman is not worthy of the mantle at the time to wear the s But he wears it anyways out of honor does Black Panther not do that fantastic then they fight he's willing to kill his sister There's a family in a fucking train station. That's cornered So there's a decision that has to be made they fight they're almost like brothers You get rid of me you get rid of the rest of the bloodline right?
Yeah, no more heirs to whatever this guess I was I'm your cousin so technically if you died I would you know and then so it's like that's the same arc with zod and then it's like well We got one choice I'm gonna stab you in the heart my fucker and if I want to say we all take 45 minutes to do it Well, it's a great story, but we don't think it was actually well. Well, Chris no one produced it David Escoy I wrote it. Let's rip it. Let's rip it's the same ending and he's like I rather and that's a thing if you rather What is what does that say to kill out at the end of Manas steel when he's looking at the thing if you want to be the people?
You can die with the rest of them or they can die. You can mourn for them. You can mourn for them. Yeah gets the lasers ready for the family What do you make a decision on?
Yeah, you try to kill my sister. This is pretty much Kyle Els family now is earth Yeah, I'm definitely and I was like fuck this movie. That's that's where I started going like it hit me I was like I'm having problems with this movie and it's I'm catching subtle subconscious things Yes, and everyone else bitched about and now I'm just like this movies copying all of them It's doing everything and now they're all copying from each other I think they can copy it but when a when it comes from a different standpoint of a character and different motives of a race do you think it changes Character and put them in a different scenario a different culture that means that there's different history There's different a lot of things to kind of steer sorry different way Do you think it shifted enough that people could pass that? I mean you you study film and you do to go back to what we all kind of start talking about with the marketing stuff I think we all agree on it The character should be whatever color you want them to be like training day was powerful for everyone because it's powerful You know like what is it?
I mean you could say fucking Rey is a powerful movie because it's a good-ass movie like not everyone's black and blind Or else you couldn't see the movie More and for I don't think so. I think you should I mean like look at like trading places was hugely popular You're looking to be like Ghostbusters where one of the characters is black and they don't make a fucking mission out of it You know you look at something like blank man. That's why we always talk about blank man Black man doesn't make a point out of it. No, it's just not of the times He was just a guy who was a Batman comic book Adam Westner who believed in right and wrong this predates super Which is James Gunn's super here movie before Guardians was that right with the ring listen?
Yeah, you know And it's like that speaks to anybody. That's a movie that was made for fucking everyone You know like you look at fans of the Terminator and like predator, you know, especially represents the predator man You ever thought of that? Maybe you seen those threads? Yeah, I know I know And so that's that's where I feel like I hear was journey is a hero's journey, you know, it's why those those archetypes are so prevalent It's why like the edit this complex is a thing like edit this journey is also thing And so like that to me is is the just the things I realized like this movie just borrowing from those things I've seen those things done better everywhere else So I think the thing that bothered me was just like those movies at least dove into the serious nature of Yes, like the idea was that you know, I guess you say Clark can die my bigger issue with Black Panther was like It seems like he just can't die You know you shoot him.
He gets stronger. He takes a little flower juice. Hey, baby Stab him a couple of times. They'll be all right, you know I mean and that was my problem like a bunch of guys are beating them up They'll just like fart nets that explodes, you know, and that's me was like how the fuck is that happening?
Which I don't even think that's lower from the comments. No, but that was something that they needed to kind of get around So how does this because you realize it wasn't in the trailer when that car originally flipped? Well, yeah, it was but it wasn't done like as good. It wasn't that yeah It seemed like the car was already yeah, he takes the wheels off and then the car flips in the trailer No, and then he does that weird thing on the wall Yeah, I was the kinetic energy who he's doing it Cuz I know because a couple days ago it was like a review from like right like exhilarating I can see and like the car was perpendicular to the ground.
We don't see like that's what causes it You do see him go yeah So what something hits right oh And again, it's the kinetic energy when he was taking tons of bullets when they just we keep reactivating the pull like those guys are like Jumping them while they're fighting in that field. Yeah, what does it make? What does it was when was he activating it because when he tested he kicked it then kicked it again activated because it's like When I hit him after getting hit those times I'm trying to explode it You know what I mean like that it was like He would have been discovering powers That would have been hilarious though Just say that it's a by brain even Right now you get a lot of fun again like when that ricochet kill people just standing by like when they be that much faster It's a weird power that they added to it. I don't know like was it just in general They just made him like super skilled and see and that was my thing.
Okay. I know very little. I'm mostly a DC guy I know very little so let me give you my Damn it I know very little marble but for me just in general my my favorite heroes are always like I you know guys are like More skilled and like there's some tech to yeah, it's why the bat family is so popular with people exactly They're just people. Yeah, so I always thought black panther was just a badass with like some cool tech in a suit Yeah, but this movie like be out so everything Yeah, but you know what it is for the franchise though is what it's doing is because Tony Stark has to die because he's 75 years old No that the place everyone's gonna get their suits made is now Wakanda man Their weapons and shit, you know, so the Tess rack was the was Probably I mean whoever's contracts when it's by first But my thing is like you look at like the trope is the blue energy guns in this movie look like the ones that were powered by the Tesseract Except now you have an excuse because you know what's his name's gotta get a little yeah You know and that's what it is really it's just like we got to set up the idea that everyone gets their suits from here now Cuz fuck it, you know, yeah You gotta make something work.
Yeah, I switch it up or something like Tony just can't become a fashion designer Yeah, you know what I mean? That's what he's just become. He's just become like Versace the superhero realm That's actually great Okay, so final final final thoughts we have to get the shades final thoughts and rain fine final thoughts and ratings on the start with I'll start with me. I final thoughts.
I think it was a good movie. I enjoyed it. It was eye candy and places Story you can see you can appreciate some aspects of it But they could have taken they could have gone a little bit further with a couple more minutes there and there and dealt so much deeper And it would hit so much more to a place where it could have been revolution it could have been something that would everyone like dude It's so you would have forgiven all like the oversight dumb shit. Yeah, you know over said that but they didn't so that's why I'm like Me but for the most part I went in with a seven.
I came out with like a seven seven half, okay Like it meant my experience it didn't be my expectations in some way because I thought it was gonna be different Like you guys read the rebirth of Aquaman in that series because Aquaman is lame My god The DC Black Panther he's the king of a nation that's technologically advanced separate from the rest of the world still aim He's the waters and a prince So in if you guys are the rebirth with an event yeah, yeah So he wants to create an embassy for Atlantis and then you know black manta sets it all up. There's an explosion now. There's a war about to go on I thought it was gonna be that I thought it was gonna be him taking over the throne and already realizing like Wakanda, I need it. I need to separate this gap and not that over so I think it was gonna be that I thought it was something totally different as far as Wakanda's concerned right relationship to the rest of the world and I thought that's what was gonna be and this guy was like no We separate ourselves even more because we are better.
Yeah, the bad guy had a better idea Yeah, it was like the way this thing really guys I think that's just like I'm sorry. I don't want to cut you off But I think like they had to go that route, you know what I mean Like you can't just be like secluded anymore because when we heard like oh, they're gonna go like a whole like Wakanda route That's the first thing like a writer's mind is gonna go thinking like how do you disguise that how you keep a story generated that whole time Also, all those operatives in the world that you have everywhere What what it's like how they built like how they the rooster well Who's about us are talking about when her soldiers like you know just logically thinking thinking of like how to do winter Soldier and saying like how do you get cap into the times like as of right now? Yeah, just literally thinking from a logical standpoint And how do we get bucket to start dating black women and it's like If we can spoilers, well, isn't she 16? I just mean in general?
Oh, oh, okay No, I was saying that because like she was the one that was in the the We're in store the territory, right? Right? Yeah, no, no, she was in the snow. She was the one that was in the post credit scene the second.
Yeah, we're but he wakes up And he's like tell me everything she's like well you're white and That is the one that I thought of when he woke up was like I started quoting as I thought it was totally different and he wanted We'll call it be separated. I thought it was something that opposite that but yeah logic was my window Because when it comes to marble a lot of times I'm like logically to me how to make a great story would be those points that we all made like Yeah, I'll write all those things. I was like no nowadays I throw that out the window what would you know would be good? So I thought it wasn't something but what I saw I would give a seven seven and a half seven and a half because that was fun It was good acting was good.
I like those men Lupita was badass. Yeah, I know it's yes I love how even even the general she her she was always always Throw in the show like who's still I finally I can overthrow this guy who thinks he's like I like that They kept consistencies within the characters. I like the Martin Freeman stuff, too They finally gave him something to do before he was just like some guy in the background or some guy you just kind of I was like asshole. Yeah, some reason or yeah, but now he's like okay cool.
Yeah, so I would give it seven seven and a half I think was horrible. It was above average of a movie In the rank of 18. I would probably put it around Yeah I could see that yeah, I guess for sure Carlin your thoughts. Um, why don't I don't think I went in I mean?
Fuck like there was so much against and against the movie for me Like I like I said I removed myself from a lot of it because it left me like just soured thinking like oh man Like this is gonna be it this is what the rest of the culture's gonna think Everyone's gonna say like this is gonna be the one to carry all the weight and it's like we're forgetting a lot of aspects And it's like there are some fun moments to be had in the movie. Yeah, um definitely like I was still like a 6.5 I will bump it after watching the movie 6.9 because I know if I give it a 7 I'm like but that's the thing is because it's like even outside of the blocking I've lost some of the shots like when he goes to see his dad for the second time when would Chad wicks against that green screen? It stands out so hard. Oh, yeah Yo, man, somebody needs to come in and clean up this rotoscope get somebody for free on Yes, we'll rack out the go-go a little bit on the background and blur it out because it's like way too sharp I mean that was green screen, but I'm like you guys watch all land.
Yeah, yeah Like the dancing lovely night, you know that was gorgeous and that was like the same practically color scheme of the first dream Like why didn't you do that? But they threw a green screen on there and they just try to pick up shot probably Yeah, I could be a picture of a reshoot and I was just like that was kind of half-assed So little nitpicks like that like but but outside of that It was just because it's like you know like the blocking the set pieces things like that because it's like if everyone's kind of going in like Thinking casual movie going experience like you want to be fucking floored like wow the spectacle like in terms of story It was all right There was a lot of I mean there was a lot of things that they could have done if they would have focused on just one Maybe I would be pushing towards that seven, but I'm still like 6.9 Maybe I'll see it again just to give it like one more like look through But I will still say like there was some stuff that was like like really like a bull about it Bozeman was a little stoic so I'm hoping we'll get a lot more like charisma like just him and his sister like playing that up Like a lot more that chemistry because it's like everyone kind of outshine Bozeman a little bit Yeah, it's like everyone's acting was a little rough But his was yeah very like compared to like the sister and like the royal guard that should yeah like Angela Bassett Yeah, Angela Bassett. Yeah, and I'm just like and even compared to like I forget the guy's name But it's the one who wore the the first time he fought in the challenge Oh Fantastic, and I'm like I guys charismatic as hell and then they go back like both of them like I just fucking bore a guy over here Yeah, like that's pretty true, and I don't know I don't know if it's the accent I don't like something else to get used to or he didn't want to be a war like out the character himself Yeah, I mean I'm in civil war bro. I almost feel like I know I was like the director was like well Maybe I don't want to blame on rank you but you're regal you're regal every like regal you're not you're royal Yeah, you're royalty.
Yeah, but you're playing it up like that though I mean you would expect I don't even want to say swagger, but you would expect like a little bit like some meaner. Yeah, some Yeah, I agree it could have been it could have been a lot better Yeah, but I just think I just feel like that was like a one track mind It was like I have to be this like not stoic more like regal like I'm the king. You know, I mean cat Yeah, that's what it felt like it was like you just had this like distinctness. Yeah, almost like I mean wait, I mean like no no he seemed like Like I'm approachable like at first he's like talking that one girl and like don't freeze and I never freeze and he's like oh Yeah, you know, and it's like what is what like you ran through the UN you're like drove through traffic you flipped a car over You just jumped out of a plane Right no he fought cap you fucking and yeah, yeah, yeah I was like even if they wanted to take some inspiration for bond like they could have at least like injected a little bit of fun It's like yeah sure like the previous bond bonds have like show a lot more charisma like you can say they're like meaning everyone like Even or like even Daniel Craig and like I was gonna say Daniel Craig No Daniel Craig and I kiss you know where I like when he's being like tied up by the henchmen and he's just like talking about I was like he over glorified my ball something like that.
He's gonna tell everyone that you scratched He's gonna scratch his nuts. Yeah, just a little Something like that would have been a lot more like easy going and it's like maybe Bozeman still needs to do this because it's like if this is his second appearance This one should have been the one where it's like this is where this character is yeah It still seems like he's still kind of trying to find him Yeah, you know what I mean, but then again the third one will be infinity war so who knows little how he'll be like So 6.9 on the on the topic real quick But on the topic of bonds we have a Fan casting for a black bond is not just a yes I Think There's amazing I just I feel bad Yeah, no, yes, he would have been fucking I this whole Tyree's rumor thing always be infuriated I just it lasted way too long. Yeah, don't be should have came in and smash that one out tweeting Speech man double or sorbating I would probably leave Black Panther just because like I think my big thing is and this is for every movie And this is my grip with even like justice like is like the problem is like with originality I think it's my bigger issue like I can forgive all like the some of the janky CGI and sloppy shots and blah blah blah But it's like you started off original like that concept was original you had all these agents everywhere and blah blah blah And were they responsible with starting the black Panthers in America? Like was that an actual thing you did like is that initiative is there like a It's black person act left a lot of questions right and it's like is that black panther initiative like your version of shield?
You know what I mean where you have these secret ops everywhere and then they were like I thought you hated that when like you know Transformers are like Illuminati after that when that's in that movies like that but this movies this movies premise We're even late on like when I know the movie is black panther. Yeah, it's a organization based on them But like you know when killmongers talking about he goes we have operatives all over the world when he takes over Wakanda war pigs Yeah, the war dogs and I was just like oh, yeah, that's right like that's just that's still a theme in this Yeah, they're working to put lockers are like do that they just left my ass here I would have liked to be saw somebody like all these put locker employees just like leave Like there's this bank tellers like Yeah Yeah In the DC universe Kate Kane is that like Batman train from an early age the Grayson train from an early age Kate Kane an Army Brad kind of hung out like she was an army brat and then she was as you know She can fight up there with you know dick and Tim I just don't believe it to child has been trained to be king and a fighter and a protector since birth And he was like not that really consistently very much right but then this killmonger Yeah, but the Navy so if that was a case you know how many Navy seals out there could destroy the world if they were as motivated Whatever his training to take it was like a destralization agent for the US government Yeah, like if that was a case we would have a lot more you know fucking I don't recognize guys Navy seals just you know I guess you can say the bottom line for black panthers like black people will just still not rise up and overcome Because they're just waiting on somebody else. I guess I don't know what the story is that's my big problem with this was like And you're right like we go through all these things, but he ends his own life and then I can actually like that I really dug that to me was cool. Yeah, I'll take death over bondage Yeah, it's like I'm not gonna accept you I tried to do this and failed.
Let me go. Yeah, you'll be king Yeah, and he's got no home. He's a hero without a home. Yeah, which would have been nice if we actually got to see his burial Yes, respect to it which makes me think he's not gone.
So, you know Remember Martin Freeman was supposed to explode when that the force filled in that tower went down with the shielding of the glass And that you got one second and it blows up and he's like hey Yeah, everything's all right. It's like we're the consequences in this movie. Yeah, you know It's everything happened thing like that goes back to the door. I don't even see the doors I've been so what's her face?
You didn't see her go down. That's right I mean you don't see her die and you can see Loki die either and you got sucked into space It's not into the floor like a million times. All right, I think what that the speculation is that she's gonna be the become the mistress death We're fan of Let her die. Yeah, that's what I thought I honestly don't my my my kind of final thoughts on why panther or it's and I can come from my point from the analytical filmmaking side of it, but It's it's like it's brain candy.
It's like I'm gonna go in it. I get it You had all the opportunities and it's in it's Disney's Black Panther. It's not gonna get super cutting edge It's not here to like push a boundary or upset people. It's gotta be this it's gotta be that quadrant.
Yeah It's gotta be this changed and that's I wish it wasn't that but stepping away from it like and I was I can't terrible with numbers Do I don't know how to great things? So I'm just like yeah at the least I would give it is like a 6.5 Which means it's still kind of in where I thought it was gonna be Yeah, I guess like it was right around where I figured I wish there was more Ryan Coogler in it because the scene we're coming on talking to his dad actually was great And he said one line as Michael Jordan as an adult and then that says nothing cries right back to the kid Yeah, yeah, and I was like and then he goes back to burn it all like yeah Yeah, he just had this emotional weight moment And to me for this this antagonist and you could have done so much yeah, but it's like bounce Yeah, I think like Ryan Coogler like he said like I want to see more right go away You see when he has full control you saw him create and you saw I bet you see it through the stations a lot of it Yeah, I've seen all these things and it could have been something because of that Disney You know CGI school the other put the directors into you can tell the scenes that are completely cooglers And then the scenes that had to be ramped into the set piece that was already designed way back when yeah, it was very Shakespearean light Yeah, yeah, oh Jason make that point. He's like it felt Shakespearean. Yeah, very Shakespearean or at least like Lion King level You know I do like I'm really cold said about like the like he's in the museum and he's like no He's like telling her everything.
Yeah, and it that's yeah. That's yeah. That's like this mask. Yeah I feel any dog Yeah, and it's like for me like even some of the directing blocking I'm like he like before the doors even close it Make out with you real quick Bonting that's one thing.
Yeah, yeah, he shoots her. Yeah, yeah I mean I agree with everything that's been said so far so eight 12 At least it's well Everybody I agree with everything that's been said so I have nothing to add in terms of the stuff that I disagree What you laughing out? So what I'll do is just kind of be like a counterpoint for a minute. Um, I Don't know it's really I really have a hard time with some of these you know ongoing franchises that just Exists forever and so for me even though I had all those same issues It could have been much better, but I'm just gonna bring it back to you Trying to bring it from the eyes of like, you know for me.
I think about myself as a kid like Lobamba And that movie of the bomber was huge in my own life of just Not the actual singer No, I'm gonna wear an angle here It was a story, you know loosely based whatever biographical story of this the first Mexican, you know Anyways like just for me That was a pretty pivotal moment seeing that story told and just like oh here's this brown kid from a porn neighborhood And he learned to play guitar really well She's storm apps and that really influenced me as a person and just like my own love of music and just seeing that was kind of inspirational And a big you know, I don't know inspiration. So anyways just for the sake of my kids I'm basically going back to the point of representation So like my daughter I mentioned earlier with Star Wars She couldn't give two shit's less about Luke Skywalker like every time she's like I love Star Wars and I'm like Yeah, so I'm like alright. Let's try and watch these OG ones. Here's how it all started.
She's like, yeah I know I don't care. I want to see Ray for her being a little girl scene Ray on screen is like the awesomeness thing ever She loves watching that shit. I just think I think it's hard. We talked about the other night How it's like I don't think that just because here's a Movie with black talent and a black director and automatically and like we said earlier because it dropped in black history month It should get all the things free pass and most definitely should not but it's almost like one of those things that I'm What's so hard about it is that when you look at like what's released?
How many movies are released in a year 150? I don't even know between independent and Hollywood, you know studio films So between this large of a pool you're gonna get the cream of the crop because the sample size is humongous of talent So you're gonna see that and then there's gonna be the outliers and there's gonna be the people in the middle kind of stuck But then so here you have this small group of maybe there's ten films or whatever that's made by this group And so you can look at it again It's kind of it wasn't really that great, but if you don't give it a chance and say okay I'm gonna recognize it for it was what it was so that that talent pool could slowly expand over time And then you're gonna see like more the cream of the crop rise out of there. I don't know. It's really hard.
I feel like it Yeah, go ahead. Oh, no, I was actually gonna ask you that um Big going off of that now in terms of asking for your final thoughts Would you like rewatch this or like well buy this by any chance? Like would you give it another shot to extend the life for something like this for future purposes? I think I think I mean I think so I think I would give it I wouldn't go watch it in theaters again But I would probably at some point on sale on black Friday Guess who's coming home on black Friday black panther black movies in the blackest days You know the best thing about that is the idea that like you're gonna get the ideas from the turkey and then you go by black Everyone be become the stereotype That was the best most well set up joke of all fucking time because it took like minutes Fine damn it, I don't know.
I'm just gonna stick with my seven. It wasn't the best movie I've ever seen it most definitely I could Yeah, there's a lot of stuff even the stupid tropes. I hate like I think I really likes the dynamic between him and his sister And I think she was really charismatic, but at the same time like she's a tech genius I like that that was just like not even a thing. It was like yeah She's a genius whatever the general of the army She was a woman who was like more badass than he was practically and it wasn't even a thing I like that But what I don't like with the sister is that here's all these like trained warriors who are like getting run over by rain Ostrices and dying and she's like a lab person and she's like holding her own the whole battle and you would have gotten killed Two seconds to like bolt on guns under him.
Yeah Largely imperfect film, but I'll give it a seven I think it had a lot of good going you say imperfect. That's a good way to describe it I would probably say uneven. Yeah, you know, it's like wonky in areas where like what it's like confusing But you can see the in the bed of the ambitions there. Yeah, you can see all the ambition pretty much you can see what it wanted to be Oh, no, I'm just not gonna do that much right.
Yeah. No, but so was there like a follow-up with what you were saying of like Was it recently? Yeah? Yeah?
Well, um, like would you? I was like the day you would buy it on? Yeah, yeah, as I said I was Valuing Money was good. Yeah, we can we can pick the hell out of it 100% Yeah, what can it achieve?
For the future of like people like rank. I think what I was saying is doesn't have staying power with you though Like is it something like we talked about early like getting the DVD and only watching the second disc like that kind of thing Like I'm not gonna do that with this right? You know, I thought it was just like I have no fucking interest in it Yeah, like I wouldn't spend my money on it Like I bought blood run a 24 night and I've watched all of the special. Yeah, and I pull carbon like that's a real movie It's got like dialogue pacing shots editing sound design sets, you know, and it goes into what our review for Grace will cover But like that's a big thing is like second watch.
It's like I guess yeah, you know, I mean It's like yeah, maybe it's a hard sell in terms of like doesn't have staying power Which is why there is that you know coming in under on like, you know saying movie has fatigue the Friday it releases is not a good thing But maybe we over thought it's hope on the impact. Yeah Small little thing what I personally where I'm at in my stage of life buy it to like I can't wait to rewatch this Kind of like 29, you know, but I know Mike my son my children are named after she So you're sent to chalow No Connor can't in grace and Allen So they love superheroes and they want to learn more so when they see new posters when we go to horizon Roger gives them free posters and I know my children will dig this movie just for the I candy part of it But I wish that when they grow up there's more depth for them to be substance There's more substance for them, but for right now They would watch the shit out you know and if my children like that but I can introduce them to movies like 2049 They're like here's here's death, but this is a good. It's like a game. We drug It's good.
Okay, I can see these things. I'm gonna get my kids drunk I'm gonna watch this movie and then I love it. Give me some incredible Sample and this little bit to kind of progress us I can get that and I wish it well and I want to see more diversity I want to see all that yeah, but I want to see it done right right with the respect it Her locker her locker's yes You want to see more those but sad because there is so many you know the Oscars there are so many you know white directors Why all these things that they don't even get the other ones a chance right coupler is giving them a run for their money and pay But he's like he's like the defensive line that opens up for other people yeah Like if he even if he eats shit on this, it's like well We tried it yeah, you know and it's like and then he's got the easy out because if it flops he gets to go like well That's a good mistake. Yeah, yeah You know Jordan peeling get out didn't play off the big where black history and that was awesome He dropped it in the middle of a summer that Jordan peeling it out and that's up for Okay, so February wasn't it last year no No, it's been around that.
No get out with summer Could you imagine being dropped in black history? Oh my god dude that would have started that would have started the revolution Yeah, we're gonna get the fuck out of here Black director and it's upper best Turned one year recently that's why I was asking because AMC yeah It wasn't February I don't think any studio would have the ball said I'm having March was in March first. Yeah, either March or January. That's what I'm thinking.
Please get an answer He's going I'll jump in my panther. I did the Truth walking out of it last night. I did these towers of one stars. It was a one effect where everyone's like good.
It was great I walked on I was like damn dude. That was good. That was fucking sick. I saw a lot of cool shit I saw a lot of it woke up.
I was like okay. I had a lot of cool shit But a lot of shit I was a little skeptical on yeah I wanted to give it my original rating which I think is a little 8.5 almost an eye and I was a damn dude so flashy a lot of cool shit I like all the choreography was really good. Did I talk to you? Oh shit?
Oh I Bring it I agree with Danny on the 7.5 is my final score what I buy it on Blu-ray Probably not probably not I would definitely red box it watch it again for friends to see who do it or something I would definitely get a rewatch and I would probably still go you know I appreciate this and it's cool and it's not like I wouldn't exclude it by the Marvel marathon I did that with Civil War that's how I watch Civil War it was like I was like yeah I was like all right. I mean I also don't buy a lot of movies in general just because yeah But you wouldn't like you can't wait for the digital to drop so you can rewatch it. Yeah, you're not counting on it No, I wouldn't count it but yeah, but like not specifically on black Friday Jason But I just say I'm so many movies are so cheap. Yeah like Blu-rays.
It's like I'd give a watch I'd enjoy it, you know, so I give a 7.5 but I agree with everything that was said that does hurt it Yeah, but also I'm very optimistic to films because I haven't worked behind the scenes so talk for me now We gotta get you watch 50 shoots. Yeah. Yeah. Can't wait for positive.
I cannot wait I want to see some positive. There's a big revelation coming on what we got But yeah, 7.5 is what I enjoyed the film. I thought it was fun. Cool.
Well guys. Thank you so much This is a long episode. It's going to be dropping the weekend of black man coming out So all of our biggest episodes have been you know large franchise movies that come out the weekend up So that's why this is a long extended edition sure can I interrupt? Should we just do like part a and then the spoiler version?
Yeah, I'm gonna split up into two Sunday and then Monday There you go fans So, but thank you so much for hanging on there Between the Marvel side the the cultural side the social everything and I Great coverage great analysis on this film. I thoroughly enjoyed it. So from the opinion hearing pot Those cats and mr. In my anatomy teacher's class they got nothing on the dissection So from the opinionary podcast we have You guys