EPISODE · Nov 21, 2025 · 26 MIN
Episode 3: Nothing to Cure Here: Rewriting the Narrative about Autism
from Included Not Excluded - A Podcast About Autism, Education, and Change · host Victoria Burnip, Dr Tony Lloyd, Tracie Coultas-Pitman
Guests:Victoria Burnip, Regional Lead for UK and Europe, Institute of NeurodiversityDr Tony Lloyd PhD FRSA, Consultant Trainer, Psychotherapist and Inclusive Education SpecialistHost:Tracie Coultas-Pitman, CEO of BeyondAutism🔗 Learn more about our work: www.beyondautism.org.uk📧 Contact us: [email protected] Copyright (C) 2026 BeyondAutismProduced by BeyondAutism and edited by Jesica Martinez de Hoz.The views and opinions expressed by guests on Included Not Excluded are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of BeyondAutism, its trustees, staff, or affiliates. This podcast is provided for general information only and should not be taken as professional, legal, medical, or educational advice. Listeners should always seek appropriate independent guidance for their circumstances. BeyondAutism accepts no responsibility or liability for any actions taken, or not taken, on the basis of this podcast.
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In this episode of Included Not Excluded, BeyondAutism CEO Tracie Coultas-Pitman is joined by neurodivergent health entrepreneur, strategist, and change leader Victoria Burnip and award-winning consultant, trainer, and psychotherapist Dr Tony Lloyd. They discuss why cause and cure narratives are damaging, shifting the conversation to one of inclusivity and highlighting the practical steps teachers, SENCO and policymakers can take to improve outcomes for autistic learners.
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