Episode 362 - Week of October 6th - 12th

Let's get started You are now listening to the Joe Rogan experience experience with Chico Simon. Come on and your host Matt floor Welcome to the Joe Rogan experience my name is Matt Floyd joined today by just Simon We should have just pretended come on with you. I would have done as worse. It would have been perfect Oh, we could have gone back and forth to like all yeah.

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Hi. Hi. Welcome. Yeah to the program What we do here is very simple the three of us I've listened to every episode of the Joe Rogan experience this week We're gonna rate each episode as well as a week on a scale of one to five Jamie Vernon's But I'm gonna talk about each guest the talking points give our opinions this that and the next Have I ever mentioned that the next is my favorite part?

I'm not so big on this and that yeah this and that usually Pretty keen on the next that's because whenever we're talking about this and that you just shoehorn in the next. Yes Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to get as much next as I can in there. Yeah, exactly.

We did have a new patron this week To Allen Hall Allen. Thank you so much. Joining during sweeps is the very best thing you can do really Simon's not wrong It's true for every sweeps person we get we plant a tree and last week I missed it, but shout out to Jordan Peterson for joining the patreon Jordan Peterson is in some a huge incredible condition. Yeah, yeah I saw this big speech his daughter gave yeah, and it does not sound good No, but she wasn't did you watch her speech?

Yeah, so she's like AI well It seemed like she was insinuating that he was being like attacked on a Like conscious level like a spiritual it's tough. She said spiritual. Yeah, I know it's tough to understand It's tough to understand what Peterson's are on about. Yes, because isn't he I mean again, maybe religious No, he's not religious, right?

You're joking, right? He is religious. Oh my god. I don't remember all his whole thing is built around religion No, I know but I didn't know if it was from like an intellectual point yes But it's like the bloody archetype Joe the archetypes in the vial Pinocchio Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Okay. Got it. Got it. It's what's his name.

Who's not religious. Yeah Say his name. I'm waiting for it. You know, I'm they debated about fucking Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, and your penis any who so our best It's not nice to see anybody no, but it just seems so weird like when you watch her speech I mean again when I can be less straightforward in this thing I mean again We're talking about a guy that out of the blue just had a benzo issue and went to Russia You know what I mean? I was on life support then too. Yes, like that was easily very weird.

Yeah, again So I wonder you know what we just want to talk about it. Yeah, nothing nice to say. I'm always said say things quietly. Sure.

There you go You want to guess list this week's I'm sure I do first one don't know the number. Oh, I actually do sorry I do I do I can just name the names. I know I have it Matt. I'm not even ready to go.

He's got it all ready to go You know what just read the names of the numbers. All right. Well, we had sal volcano Yeah, then we had Jack Carr Jack Carr and then followed up by Duncan Trussell. Yeah, and then we finished off the week with You're gonna know the name of an eye on the CIA guy.

Carry out carry out carry out No, I don't want to speak for you, but I will we want to thank Joe for bringing on the hard-hitting guests who are gonna tackle some of the You know pressing questions that we demand answers to yeah Because when I want to talk about Epstein, I definitely want to hear from Duncan Trussell like there's nobody better But don't ask the CIA guy about it. Don't ask the CIA whistle blower. That was very interesting I often wonder when some of these were recorded though like that CIA one could have been done Why never I guess you're right. Yeah, but even then we mean whenever the same thing has been going on for years is what really bugs me The most is Joe is always saying like well, yeah, you know we have this lots of people want to come on We booked them way in advance You can still have somebody Yeah, like it's not like you're bumping somebody who's coming down from wherever they're pre-recorded.

Yeah, Joe's like apologies to Matt Damon You should do a whole Matt Damon Brendan Sean thing like we're gonna Brendan. Yeah, we just ran out of time Oh, no Whitney Webb would be even better Sorry, she could make a past security. I mean I just don't listen if you don't want to talk about the Epstein thing because you've got Trump elected And that looks bad on you for getting a Pito potentially Pito but definitely someone who hid a Child sex trafficker and gave him a sweetheart deal that definitely happened You cannot deny that and you knew that and you still got elected whatever what this Charlie Kirk thinks things to high fucking hell I haven't and they've talked about it and only the well I guess they talked about it a little bit this week. It feels like just just Like I feel like we've done a better how is he not talking about the wife like at all I mean there's so many things they paved over the fucking crime scene and like within 24 hours the pizza hut is gone You know how they had footage of Tyler Robinson at a pizza.

Oh, yeah, just like hang out getting big demolish the pizza It's at least closed really now again. You could argue like you know Oh, it's a pizza hut thing those things close sure I just do you know that the weapon where they found the weapon? You know that house is owned by Palantir big surprise I mean I don't know what's true anymore But if even like one of the ten things is true. It still stinks to hi.

Okay. Thank you So this is the big point if let's say you and I sat here and we named 30 things that absolutely stink to hi hell even if you wanted to do even if you could solidly debunk 20 of them Yeah, still 10 that have to make you go. It's it really fucking reminds me of the moon landing because like yeah for sure Some of the things you're like, okay fine. That seems like a coincidence But okay, but when they're when everything is a coincidence these Candace Owens texts, but she did you see that the Candace Owens texts?

Yeah, so she released this text read from her and Charlie where he was like just lost a bunch of Jewish donors I'm not gonna kill myself that one. No, even then like yeah, he has a guy from Turning Point USA came out and was like These are real texts and in one of them Charlie said I think someone from Israel is gonna kill me which is insane And then net now who comes out and says yeah, we definitely didn't do that on purple Yeah, yeah crazy shit twice comes out twice. Hey Ben nobody said you did. Yeah, but just in case Hey, there's a lot of anti-Semites out there dude.

Okay, so then Simon gets crazier. Sorry folks We will start the show eventually it gets crazier this week It came out that like Turning Point USA is like Gracie. It's real Gracie. Really real greasy.

This is his Charlie Kirk's so whoever set it up is like a like a tax and Legal loophole genius because it's set up as a like not-for-profit It's set up in a way where you cannot talk politics at all if you do you lose this status the C-2-5, but I don't again I'm not American. I don't know the exact thing You know Ian Carol is it's gonna mustache. She does all these fucking videos. He does conspiracy videos I watch a ton of it.

Yeah, maybe anyway, he did this deep dive into it. You should watch it It's like an hour and a half long unfortunately, but even crazier was this week is real came out and they had to they had You can go on the dot gov website and see the filing because they had to do it on the up and up And I can't even believe you can do this. I can't even believe this is legal to do Americans But they applied for their I'm sure you don't know what a geofences. No, so they're setting up geofences around every single church and parish in Nevada California, Arizona and I don't know one other state.

I can't remember whatever states are it doesn't matter in four or five US States they set up geofences around every church and parish with a geofences is the second your phone goes through this geofence So it's an invisible Tracking thing once your phone goes in Israel then is sending you pro-Israel Christian ads bombarding your phone with pro-Israel Christian ads, so they're specifically spending like dude It was great and it's all here in this in this filing you can see it all the churches are listed It's like pages and pages and pages, but why are they pro-Christian ads? I don't get it again cuz what their angle is that like Jews are important in the Bible, right? So there's so many Christians So there's so many Christians in the states that the idea is like we can gain a lot of sympathy by hitting that sort of Christian Especially young people you know sort of impressionable and they're doing it via like TikTok those target ads that doesn't even seem like an ad It just seems like hey, I'm some guy. Yeah, isn't it's real great Yeah Anyway, let's start the show.

Where did we want to start here? Let's rate the week first. Oh, yeah We should rate this dumpster fire. I don't know what the fuck we're doing here This week is gonna get a 2 does that sound about right?

Yeah, yeah, I mean that's as high as I can go It's been brutal. I feel like I haven't given anything over two and a half and maybe a year and a long time I gave a last week you gave a strong rating, but I think you were just pressured by Kumar. He does this weird peer pressure like Yeah, maybe I don't even remember last week. So I can't tell you but hit that but no, yeah, we haven't agree See how easy that was yes, or start with karaoke's get an agreement.

Um karaoke's yes. Yeah, let's start with him So I'm gonna read you what chopped GPT how to say about it. Well, let's start with this Let's start with the fact that like the US does not under any circumstance want anyone who works for the government or any agency to ever blow The whistle ever 2392 karaoke. Yeah, and when you find out about how terrible Obama was for the whistle blowers Like it's just it's really funny that this guy was able to like hope You know, I mean and then just get a change hope and change hope and change and then get in there and do nothing But like carpet bomb poor people and weddings.

Yeah, like evil and doom open change evil and doom and then still you go ask 90% of the people out there and they'll be like a great president I mean keep in mind if you are American like take these American first American first people that are like we don't care about other countries Or what happens like do you care if Obama bombs a bunch of people in Yemen? I mean I do you probably should especially if they're innocent people You definitely should but point is you could look at it Like there are people that were paying insane amount for health care and because of Obama they at least got cheaper health care You know, some people are just one sure some people are one policy people And if health care was like breaking you and your family and it became 50% cheaper if you don't want to care about people overseas I get that but like when your own head of the whatever it is country is like actively trying to ruin whistle blowers lives. Those are Americans those aren't overseas That's fine. Can you hear the weird thing though Simon was this guy made it seem like uh Like it It wasn't Obama specifically Like Obama was the president the sitting president when this guy got fucked Then he clearly didn't like Obama, but he made it seem like it was actually was it john Brennan The head like he was like this guy specifically now again There's an argument to be made that obama through this guy was like, let's fuck this guy fuck this guy Or like fucking open your eyes and ears obama.

They like this it's pretty clear. What was going on? Keep in mind too. I don't know who fucking I don't know who Snowden was way before Obama, right?

I was under bush Was it? Let me find out. Yeah, either way the point is this um No one has let no one has given him a pardon Yeah, right exactly, but I mean he's out now. So it's done.

What do you mean? Well, so never went to jail. I'm talking about karaoke No, I really know but the fact that this guy even did a day of prison is fucking crazy And that they made it hard time is also equally fucking ridiculous That must be so fucking scary. Like it's one thing to go to prison, but you think you're going to this like You think you're going to club fed and instead you're in like oh, yeah, right?

Oh, yeah, you know. Oh the area in area in brotherhood is everywhere like yeah, can't imagine be fucking terrible Yeah, no, there are no I mean keep in mind. I don't think there's any like real easy time But there's definitely easier time I would imagine and uh if you're gonna do time the easier time is probably what you're looking for Yeah, what a fucking this guy got railroaded hard It's funny too because like it's weird joe would even have this guy on because joe had tin kennedy on a hundred times That tin kennedy is so pro torture. It's unreal.

Like most of you didn't know that though, right? Like most of the operators that joe has on I think are like fairly pro now keep in mind This guy also was like no, we killed people by doing that Like dude that shit chaining you to the ceiling naked and blasting you with cold water and like heavy metal fuck the Story of them falling out of that uh shipping container is a real fucking uh There was like 2000 of them is that what he said or 1800 of them? And I know the argument's gonna be they were Taliban. They're like shit people whatever you want to it's crazy It's insane imagine cooking to death in a fucking shipping container.

Are you still looking for Snowden? There's no way of taking this long It is I can't find it. I don't know man. I don't know what to tell you Um the first point what on comers slash touch apts Thing is my main takeaway is you get more information from a subject from being sweet verse sour That's his main takeaway Okay, it's right.

It's the very first thing number 2392 My main takeaway is you get more information from a subject from being sweet verse sour Yeah, I mean listen, I like I feel like if you're torturing me, I'm gonna get to a point where I'm no longer gonna give you any information I'm fuck you Unless you want it to stop. Yeah, but I mean I guess but what's gonna make it stop you give them a little bit and they're like no No, no, you have more we're gonna keep I mean I personally like I don't know The reason I'm against orchard is specifically because I don't think I want our people getting tortured Not I think I know I don't want our people getting tortured and so if we're in this game of well, we're gonna torture people Then it's a slippery slope. Well, isn't that one of those things where like you can say well We're not gonna do it in hopes that they're not gonna do it But then they still like you think like hamas is not torturing people because hold on if If hamas at torture a us a us prisoner of war we would have heard about it It would be a top story for months. It would be reason to go spend trillions of those You don't think they tortured uh jewish army people when they catch them.

I said american No, but that's not who hamas is fighting hamas Americans are fighting hamas Where who do you think first of all when you say is real don't do that they're fighting it's americans over there fighting No, but it's just really true. It's not there are no american troops fighting over there I don't think I don't think they can do that. Can they? What do we know what do we know maybe there are american troops?

I don't know if listen whether you want to say american troops or not Like seals marines whatever there's definitely a ton of cia on the ground over there Oh, yeah, well for sure shit ton that there's no way these these pagers are blowing up on people's dicks without a little bit of cia help That's for sure. Well, I don't know because the cia seems so incompetent You know what I mean like I mean listen, you can't just tell me that moose on is like that much smarter than the cia. I mean I know they're insanely I think they are We're talking about people who tried like 700 different attempts at um Fidel caster. That's what we're told one was an exploding cigar.

So yeah, no, I don't know But this guy kind of lost all credibility with me right away because the very first thing he did was like blow mike baker for 10 minutes I'm just like I don't buy it man first of all mike baker the way he looks would stick out like a sore thumb everywhere. He was He's just like a weird look dude. He said he met him in greece that he was like that Okay, I was just gonna say if there's one country where I think you could plot mike baker and like if you learned the language You might fit in there enough. I just I don't know mike mike.

Maybe it's because I know I'm so well I'm not gonna my school term. He just He just comes across like such a fucking phony. So I imagine like out on he'd be that guy where right away They're like yeah, nark hello fellow mama Taked on beard. Yeah, exactly.

Come do a lot. What is uh, what do they yell when they throw the plates down? Oh fuck I Was like he said he did the wrong thing though. Yeah, it was like oh dude the best scene when um in Veep when she goes to uh scotlin And they're getting her to drink and they're saying down in one and she's going uh, donnie wall donnie wall It's so funny That show is so great.

I just really underrated. Yeah, it is so nobody ever talks about that It is so not only is it funny. It's the air conditioning thing. I'll keep talking.

Not only is it so funny. It's um really like it's almost like the Simpsons in its fortune telling because Watching her and Kamala it was like it's incredible, you know, and it's so far before that I find maybe i'm crazy. I find that anything made in like the last 15 years has a tough time getting on anyone's list of like Favorite, you know, I mean like there's I feel we're saturated so you forget when do you think Veep came out? 10 years ago, that's it.

Yeah, I feel like it's longer than that You know the check right what is it 2025 2015? That sounds all right. I think it was like 2010 Maybe even before I don't know man 2010 2012. Okay, right in the middle Yeah Um Uh mike baker they didn't talk about mike baker and torture so that must mean that mike baker definitely tortured people I mean, I could probably agree with that I love how he was like, uh, I won't be a part of this thing and then they immediately gave him a nickname human rights guy Yeah That's fucking hilarious.

I guess in the military. That's like a real human right guy. Yeah Um, so he came forth as a whistleblower. Yeah talking about um All the waterboarding they were doing whatever and then just had his life basically flipped upside down Well, I mean they tried to give him 45 years in prison, which is fucking insane Um Think about that dude 45 years.

There's there's guys doing like there's guys in prison for first degree murder that won't do 15 years Yeah, probably not you know what I mean because they like they had to take a deal because they didn't have the best evidence So they were like whatever just give him 15. Yeah, it's crazy. He did 15 years in jail No, no this guy did too. What I'm saying though is they tried to give him 45 is my point 45 is like a That's just a crazy number like you're in jail for like and what what exactly did they what was his crime?

Uh, do you remember? I don't know. I did not leak something to the press I think that was it the press guy duped him. Remember the guy called him and was like I have this comment from this guy Do you care to make a comment in retort or whatever?

And then he said he was like I knew they were trying to take me down at that moment So I I decided to do the interview Right. Yeah, and then just tell them the truth. That was his uh, didn't they didn't he say they were they had like he had seen an interview with someone High up where they were like it was one lone CIA agent and he was like that was the moment I knew that they were gonna try to set me up Mm-hmm. That must be so weird age just knowing And so I mean also weird thing about obama.

I just to go back to that real quick. I saw I saw um Like a seal on Sean Ryan's show and he said he was like, you know I didn't vote for obama and I didn't agree with many if any of obama's policies and he said that the one thing I'll give him is Um They were loading dead troops onto a plane like that ceremony they did when they bring them back home Yeah, and obama happened to be there And he said the first thing that struck me was obama when it went and shook every single Marine's hand Like he took the time to go to every single one of them there He was like there must have been 1500 people shook everyone's hand and he said and when they were loading the bodies on to the To the jet obama stood there full salute like proper salute the whole time gave it And he was like, I don't like the guy. I don't like his policies, but he was like, it's he's like I can understand why people voted for Why do most presidents not do that? Come on dude.

After Charlie Kirk died. He was like, yeah, very sad. Very sad. Look at the ballroom.

I'm Trump just can't be the um Example of a normal I mean, let's say president though, you know, keep in mind this guy might have most people only have one experience meeting a president So this guy was this guy's point was probably just I thought this guy was a piece of shit I'd never I didn't vote for him or like him at all And unfortunately when I met him he kind of showed me why like why I can understand why people voted for him My big question about obama really is Were you a guy who genuinely hope and change and then got in there and got um No, I think the whole uh a reminder of how the system works or was this a guy who was just like Every other president brought up in the game and they put him in there and I think exactly how they were going to use them I think he was a nobody senator and that's why they propped him up to be the president and he was great at talking They were like, holy shit We actually have someone who can like a good orator Someone who sent, you know what I mean? Like he talks the talk And then yeah, like you said there's there wasn't even a when I got in they showed me the jfk It was like before he got in they were like you're gonna do what we fucking want you're gonna be president. You're gonna be rich Right, we're gonna keep your husband's secret I wonder what's gonna happen with that. I asked it.

Well, apparently do the macron thing Yeah, so I said it jokingly last week. What are they gonna do make her show her genitals So apparently they were like you're gonna have to obviously give us a DNA swab for this case because yep We have to prove and they withdrew the case apparently I didn't hear that that that's what I heard but I again I heard they were like raring to go to give to show proof that she was a woman Anyways, I was talking to that guy um You knew him from trivia, but he has like a brother-in-law who's from france Talking to that guy. He's from trivia. Are you mean the guy's last night at ward or on Friday?

Yeah, Friday exactly. Yeah. Oh those guys aren't from trivia. I knew them because the guy used to clean ritual Anyways, whatever Um, so his brother-in-law was from france So I asked him about the macron thing and he was like, yeah, no That's just a russia trying to so descent in uh, interesting.

Yeah, so that's it. I said no, that's not it She's definitely mine, but he didn't want to hear it I mean it could be russia like listen, I said to you before I watched that video all about how russia is specifically feeding like elon musk and joe rogan a fucking gang of memes and information and then they are then going on and Yeah, retweeting and re-spreading that stuff. Yeah, I don't doubt that. Here's my thing is that I want to believe candacellans In what sense?

I want everything. I want to believe that like she's done the work and that she knows that this macron thing and the charlie kirk thing But she just comes across as such a goddamn grifter that it's hard to like really um I'm with you, you know parse out Where she lands in my belief spectrum. Yeah, like I want to believe that she's like this like lady who's going against bucking the system Yeah, she yeah, I'm with you, but I don't know what she really is her wealth is like 10 times itself in the last two years, but keep in mind would she say like she lives in the most litigious country in the world She has lawyers she probably wouldn't go on and say it unless she had some sort of definitive proof or could or knew that she wasn't gonna Lose a massive Alex Jones lawsuit. Yeah, you would think Matt or maybe it's like, you know If you're worth two million dollars, let's say yeah, and you start this macaron shit up Yeah, and all of a sudden you're worth like 22 million dollars and then 60 million dollars or whatever because you're getting so much traction Yeah, on tiktok and all these things.

I guess yeah, maybe the court case is like who even cares at that point It's like how the pharmaceutical things look at it. That's true. We're gonna lose. We'll still make six million Yeah, so maybe I won't be worth 60 million.

I'll be worth 40 million But I already have this traction. I'm gonna make way more money next year in the year after all I have to do is like Anyways, but I may be totally wrong. Maybe she's a totally righteous person who's like Again, I don't know why she would be so focused on this macaron thing like the charlie kirk thing I get Yeah, it's weird like what the fuck does she care? No, it's not weird too It's like you're an American America's never cared about france or their politics or their president And why would you even if she was what fucking difference does it make to you at all?

You know, like it doesn't change anything for us If you found out that obama's wife was actually big mic allegedly, you know Um, I could see how that would make a difference to candacellans Then you could feel kind of duped. I guess or whatever again, not my they're not my president So I don't know. I mean our prime minister is dating katie perry. So suck on that or x prime minister I still can't wrap my head around that shit, but did you see the carney chump meeting?

I didn't actually I had that big meeting there and um Trump started like his whole trans bashing. Yeah, and he has a trans daughter Oh, that's my non binary daughter. I have something of course And you could just see he had to like bite his lip, you know, yeah, you're the white house You're not gonna. Yeah, you're not gonna speak your mind about you're trying to make a deal for fucking tariffs There's no way you're gonna uh, I mean you never know like some people might Some people might say fuck it.

Fuck this guy I mean, I think at a normal time he might have but because we're just like yeah I'm with you our economy is crumbling and he's he'd like to be reelected five times more Oh god, that's such a scary thought eh, isn't it? Yeah, imagine it'll happen imagine it'll happen katie perry was our first lady Well, just in true. That's how i'm saying if it had happened well, he was I would have been insane. Um first lady katie perry today met with the prime That's how you fucking pull kennedy out of the gutter, man.

It's true get yourself a real I mean, maybe not katie perry, but something like that, you know, katie perry's that's she's fine You know who would make a great first lady. I'm listening shania twain Yeah, but yeah, why does that have to be Canadian? I don't know Rachel McAdams then sure any of them Nice, uh, what else you got for fucking cute. Yeah, cool.

Don't say what else do you got? What else what else is chat? What else is chat? Because I don't want to be responsible for these.

No, you're right. It wasn't you the theme secrecy accountability morality and war and security and yes That should piss you off. I'd take this chat as a reminder ask questions of those empowered demand transparency Anything less is a gift to the hidden That's the fucking note. Does that sound like um dude kamar is a fucking Jerry Aku recounts how he as a cie counter-terrorism officer was part of the capture of abu zabeta Yes, okay.

Yes. I remember this. Yeah, he explains his moral shift initially loyal to the war on terror missions Then confronted the use of enhanced interrogation techniques i.e. Torture and concluded it was wrong and counterproductive He emphasizes how the system reacted kara yaku became a whistleblower and was punished prison sentence rather than tortures being held account to account Okay.

Yeah, that's we covered all of that so that's great the notion of deep state slash intelligence community immunity comes up He argues there's a pattern of power abuse within the intelligence apparatus that lacks oversight I think we can all agree on that they may have killed a president a sitting president He talks about books e g his own memoirs like that reluctant spy my secret life in the cia's war on terror and doing time like a spy That's it how the cia taught me to survive and thrive in prison That is the craziest title to a book i've ever heard does he not have an editor The book is titled The reluctant spy my secret life in the cia's war on terror and doing time like a spy. Oh, these are two different books That makes way more sense his two books terror and doing time like a spy how the cia taught me to survive and thrive in prison Now we're now we're cooking. That's all the uh, yeah, that's all that's all she wrote I mean, I know kamar if he were here He would be all over the fact that this guy was like the cia guy that railroaded him was the same cia guy that was trying to railroad Trump and the russia gate thing that's bread i believe so, yeah Interesting it seemed like this guy was also on a listener hit me up And was like it seemed like this guy was on specifically to try to get trumped him apart So that he could get his pension back interesting he did seem and when I listen I because I got that comp I got that message from him before I had listened to the episode so I was listening for it I was like it did at a few points seem a little um like pandering where he was like, I mean try trump's a great guy I know what he says. I mean, I could use a presidential pardon would be the best if You see I mean he should get one you see trump uh trumps like yeah, they um, I was talking to the woman who won the nobel peace prize this year Fine woman.

Um, she really wants to give me the prize, but I said no you keep it like he's fucking nuts. That's incredible. He's so nuts No, no, I said you keep that's yours. But I we all know who really deserves the nobel peace prize I should have taken it could nobody has ever signed a piece of cord like I have this is the best piece of cord you've ever seen Yeah, he really is uh He's really up his own ass about all the wars he's ended But he did say this guy that um That uh, this piece thing is not good for net and yahoo, which is interesting Well, first off let's see how long this lasts like if we're gonna let's do the camar thing and let's wait and fucking see Because we're like three days into you want to give it a year because that's the that's what he demands I don't even need a year like I have a feeling this this will be broken soon Yeah, I I wouldn't be surprised on Simon.

I wouldn't be surprised And I'm I know that I can't believe I'm the one saying this I wouldn't be surprised that there was some sort of false flag attack On a us ship on us people over there and they'll blame aran. They'll blame someone Mm-hmm. And then that will be the reason. Oh, this is far is over Interesting.

I mean it's possible. Listen, I hope for peace over there Yeah, I don't care if it's Donald Trump that signs it I don't care who takes credit for it It would be great if innocent people on both sides over there stop dying Yeah, and they stop killing each other that would be the best for everyone So again if trump pulled this off and this is and there's actually peace over there fucking great If they get net and yeah, who out which again, I don't think will happen I don't think he's just gonna you think he's just gonna go to trial for war crimes Yeah, no I doubt it has been around forever. Yeah, and I assume that net and yeah, whoever the And this is I think a pretty good assumption whoever the real people are falling the strings are They're gonna let him go down state He is tied to those people a lot more than trump is tied to those people a lot more than any president has ever been tied to those people Because the president's coming go but yet and yeah who seems to be forever the promise I don't even know if you could say he's more entrenched than Trump only because Trump was so deep in this Epstein shit that they like who knows what they have on it Oh, that was the other thing I heard that this whole government shut down Oh, it's all because of that it's all because as soon as they get back in she will vote She's the final vote. They need to release the Epstein files Yeah, that's crazy and at the same time You might be willing to shut down the government just to be like the president is not in these files I stopped asking yeah, the best was I don't know if you saw a reporter was like galain Maxwell, uh, so the Galain Maxwell went to the Supreme Court and she said Uh, Jeffrey Epstein signed a deal that said that all that him and all of his co-conspirators couldn't be um Arrested moving forward.

Okay. That was the sweetheart deal it cost to gave him And so her argument was I am a co-conspirator, which means I'm a part of that deal And the Supreme Court said no they shot that down So the only way she gets out now is a presidential pardon So this reporter asked Trump in the oval office the other day like she said what I just said and then she said So galain now her only option as a presidential pardon Would you ever consider that and he was like to the best the best answer ever to he's like Are we talking about he's like oh, I haven't I haven't heard that name in so long I That's honestly that was his and then he goes, uh, I mean, I haven't thought about it So I have to think about it. He goes. I have to ask the doj but uh, I'm not sure I wish her the best Again, think about it.

The answer is just no. Yeah, there's no thinking about it. Are you going would you pardon this? Um, this convicted sex trapper.

No, I would not never. No. Yeah, no. Yeah, it seems like a pretty cool answer.

Also Okay, they were talking about January 6th and the fbi Donald Trump is now the president again. Cash Patel his guy is in charge of the fbi Joseph's there were 200 plus fbi agents down there that were agent provocateurs If this is so why do we not have any evidence of this? Why would cash Patel? Yeah, why is he running like why right away?

We would not be red carpeted to evidence that showed We're backed up with joe saying because the number keeps growing for joe. It went from 18 to 20 to fucking now we're at 200 no, but why aren't they um Why aren't they making a big deal about January 6th like he could be clearing his name at this point if they were railroading him And making it like this it right? It probably because it didn't happen The same thing with the Epstein thing it was like well No, now the argument to is like so pambondi sat in front of congress and she was getting grilled and her only response to the Epstein ship was like you guys got a release to tuba didn't and it's like okay, what fine Yeah, I also think it's it's the dumbest answer ever because it's like none of the democrats ran on we're gonna release the Epstein files They all were like we're burying this thing because we're involved too. Yeah, which is the smart political thing to do Where's donald trump to his base was like oh no first thing I do is tell you who's in the Epstein files That's right.

We're putting clinton in jail. That's yeah, and then and don't forget to he was like uh that letter I'm suing you for $1 billion. I never wrote any love letter to jeffree Epstein. That's fucking day later It's proof it's his and he's like, okay, so I'm not suing anyone anymore.

Yeah, whatever But I definitely wasn't a signature for pubic air That I didn't do that's going too far. Yeah, who does that? He ever changes the whole thing. Yeah, totally.

I do not have my feet up on your coffee Yeah, I remember my feet almost out um Yeah, the whole thing that's just another one that stinks to high heaven, you know, it's like I'm just saying if listen If you want to prove to me that there are age of provocateurs there because I wouldn't put that past an agency like the fbi But now that you have full control over it And you have full transparency You should have file and file and file you should have all the evidence that you can show to the american people otherwise Otherwise, you actually pardoned 200 people who actually attacked cops and you can't deny that because there's a video Even if you're like none of them died, okay, you guys are all blue lives matter You're all fucking and when it wasn't when it didn't suit you you were like, no No, we're gonna go in here and I'm not listen. There were old ladies and stuff who just walked in casually Yeah, I was gonna say I don't know if I ever saw any video of like people attacking cops Oh, I'll show I the break. I'll show you really yeah for sure Like I saw people going in it all seemed pretty orderly. I mean cops is okay Maybe cops is the wrong word security of some sort people like maybe it was You know, there's levels there, right?

It could have been shared. I mean Are you using cops in the bigger term like yeah, yeah, and are you using attack in the bigger term? No, I'll show you video Because I've seen some like because I agree with joe there was people like there were video of people being let in But I again think that is like trump sympathizers who work in the government because that happens too, right? I mean that could also be those agent provocateurs just letting people in like sure listen I don't doubt at all 200 seems like a lot Um, but I'm with you if I don't understand why he's not going back now to that's that one tarnish on his whole thing You know what I mean?

They proved russia gate. They were out to get him It was like we know this now the the one that all the libs go to now is january 6 this guy can't be president because he incited An attack on his own country like just prove it's not it's so fucking simple I don't and the demos don't use this either But donald trump after january 6 promised he was like if you don't impeach me because if he got impeached he wouldn't be able to run again He said listen if you don't impeach me, I won't run again So you don't even have to worry so just let's let's not even impeach and the democrats stupidly were like fine We won't impeach you you just go off into the sun and he absolutely didn't do that and again whether you think donald trump incited or not He could have very easily gone down there with his fucking cavalcade of secret service and and quelled the whole thing It's a listen This is not the way this isn't gonna work if we if they actually stole it will prove in the courts I'm great. I'm super litigious But again, if this is a thing where it was just people like willing merely looking at art and shit Then I could see like that's not keep on up to go down. It depends on how it was painted You know, I don't know what's true and what's not.

I wasn't there I only see what like CNN wants me to see you know, so I have no idea But again The only reason I can see them not wanting to do that is because maybe like the fbi doesn't want to admit that Their own organization was no, you can't it dude It's perfect because you're like we cleared house anyway We fire all these people Elon Musk's doge prove that we got rid of all the there's it's a win win for you You prove a that these agent provocateurs did exist and then it was all a fucking sham and that's why I released these people dude You can clear yourself and all these other Americans. Yeah, you own the FBI is yours get cash betel and that's all I'm saying is like I've never heard a democrat say that I've never heard a pundit say what I just said. I've never heard anyone say that No, it's in it was totally forgot I mean they still talk about January six, but not uh Again like all this stuff where it's like now that you're in charge prove it. Yeah, you have the files They're all all those things that you said well once once we're in charge.

We're gonna prove it to you like dude We got no JFK. We got no Martin Luther King We got no fucking in fact. We got one more assassination on the docket that stinks to high health Right around that. Yeah, apparently the in that JFK stuff.

There was some things that like previously weren't but point directly to the CIA so I think it's pretty clear that um is real probably out of hand in it But like it was definitely a inside job I mean don't forget the CIA got created one year the very next year is real about created and then the year after that muzad got created So it's a weird like when did JFK die in that time frame? I don't know like I guess that was probably 10 years after that he died 10 years after that. Yeah When Israel became a state in what like 47. Yeah, they killed JFK in like 63.

So it'd be like 15 years or something Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, no, I mean, it's all it's all very uh like I said the The people who were running America at the time. Yeah, we're heavily interested in making Israel estate.

So Yeah, we have an agreement Okay, so yeah, that was pretty much it for this. Oh, yeah, that's pretty much it for this guy Um felt bad for him because it sucks to be railroaded by your own country I imagine that must be the most frustrating thing in the world end up in jail I mean, you know what's funny is I can tell you I have like minimal experience in this just from dealing with my dad um Even if like when you think like oh that person got off and this guy didn't get off he went to jail He did time now. He got like he did make the deal and took a lowest amount of time Which I guess was probably this like that lawyer told him take this fucking deal Um But like they go after you every way they can So even if you get off, it's like it's you're getting audited You're getting those they're doing everything they can and not to mention it's like we're gonna drag We have unlimited funds because we're using taxpayer money. You're actually paying for your own trial Yeah, you're actually paying for the trial against you in a way You know, you're gonna pay your taxes and then yeah, it's like the lawyer's gonna call everything will cost you money It's gonna.

It's gonna be a headache. We're gonna make sure that down the road like they took his pension You know what I mean? So something that you're like well at least I have this no matter what I've got this and I can retire No, no, that's gone. We've taken that from you.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean you can't fight the government, right? Like they are undefeated. They will always win.

Yeah, it's a real uh a real shame I mean again, it's like if you were getting divorced and you had to pay for your wife's lawyer You know, I mean you're you're just like this is fucked It's the same thing where you're like oh great I paid my taxes this year and now that same group of people is trying to throw me in prison And I imagine if you're a patriot like this guy probably was if he was working for the CIA Yeah, it must be especially heinous when your country turns on you You know what I find interesting to have never thought of this till just right now they what they see Must be so great like It's very rare to see an XCA person who's like uh Not still kind of romantic about what they did for the CIA Yeah, you know what I mean in the sense where they're still like like even when they get railroaded by the government and the CIA They're still like know what we did was important and it had to be done So I like I wonder what they do See You know what I mean like the guy the guy flying the drone who kills like eight people like He's like well the guy that I'm killing is like yeah, there's seven innocent people there But this dude is like I've watched the the kill pits or I've seen like I don't know You know what I mean like I've seen the drone footage of them feeding someone to a dog like I'm just saying that it's it's rare that you see a guy in the CIA who's after like just straight up like fuck these guys like I'm I'm I'm giving all the I mean I guess I killed them, right? There's that's the other argument. They kill those people. Yeah, but the brakes on their car Just yes, seriously fucking or they fall down an elevator shaft where they hang themselves This is my point.

So if that happens, you never get the story anyway. Yeah, but I'm just thinking of like the guy Joe's buddy the bald guy who's dead now. Remember the guy that that went to the town hall meeting in LA and was like Just so everyone knows the CIA is moving fucking what was his name? Michael Rupert Yeah, um, I feel like he's I guess a guy who came out and was like fuck these guys This is what they're doing.

This is how they fund their shit And he committed suicide and nobody ever asks like did he commit suicide? I think so. Yeah, but I mean even Joe is like he knew a lot of shit and yet it was tough Like no, but why isn't that like wouldn't the CIA really want to kill that guy and then he dies and nobody's like I mean again, I assume that his death the people around him Like here's the thing if you the day before or making videos happily, you know, I'm not suicidal I love my wife and my family and you kill yourself However, if the people around you are like for eight months straight He was like drinking a lot and really not doing well and then he takes his own like again You could argue that the CIA see that and they're like get in there now This is fucking go time. Yeah, yeah I can see that too, but I'm just saying like I assume that's why there hasn't been a big hoop law about it because the people closest to him were like no No, he was I would still be suspicious when you like when anyone like that dies young you should always I think he wasn't that young but no, no, but I mean pre-80.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I'm just surprised Joe is he just always says that with such certainty that he you know was a sad guy I mean I get it too Like if you if you know what you know and no one believes you and they've and like this guy the government's railroaded you And they've taken away everything and you worked for them forever and like you're you're really trying to be a good american Hey, look you guys are selling crack in the streets to poor people to fund your fucking your illegal wars in South America And I can't stand for that like We're at a tipping point right now america is like The reason israel is spending the kind of money they are is because americans right now are fucking fired up They're like we're done giving money. We're fucking done. We're poor We're broke and we're fucking done giving away eight billion dollars a year of taxpayer money We're done fuck that and I get it to Peru farmers or whatever I mean that one's crazy the Argentinian farmers is fucking nuts But giving eight billion dollars to israel every year in perpetuity just for life is why Well, I mean at least with israel you could say again, you're like we have an outpost in the middle east Intel is worth so much to us that I still can't see like eight billion dollars fixes Well, I think like you the ukraine war is a better example, you know the problem with the ukraine war because I've been digging for numbers is again It's a lot of that is just old equipment.

So the number is so inflated. It's not like a hundred and eighty six billion dollars That they've given ukraine. Okay, if that's cash, that's a big problem if it's old equipment Like what I'm saying is if you have if you have a warehouse in Idaho that just has 600,000 ak-47s just rotting away and you give that a street value of a hundred million dollars and you go dump that on ukraine I don't think that hurts the american people as bad as what the the final bill is do I see what you're saying? Um like if I empty out my shed to you and then I say I just gave Simon two thousand dollars worth of goods Yeah, right, you know, I mean I haven't handed you two thousand dollars in cash I guess trump just isn't as chummy chummy with Putin as he thought he was though Because he said he would have that war stopped in 24 hours There is a reason Vladimir Putin wanted Donald trump to be president whether the steel dossier is true or not is I told you marco rubio and a joint group of Bipartisan senators looked into it and said that russia definitely interfered in trying to get donald trump elected whether donald trump and his camp Were aware of that or not has been proven to not that doesn't matter Yeah, but I mean the question is like how many presidents have they tried to sure the point was even if you're donald trump You got to sit there and go.

Why does Vladimir Putin want me to be president so bad? You know what I mean? Like why why okay? Like if I'm running for president right now and I find out that bb netneya who wants me to be president so bad I want to know I'm saying why does oh I didn't want trump to be president so bad I mean a KGB he's a mind-manipulating genius probably and yeah, I bet he was like I have richard crafts fucking Super Bowl ring on currently Fucking mop the floor with Donald Trump.

I'm gonna end up with this motherfuckers I'm gonna live in the white house. I'm gonna fuck this guy's white and he's bald, right? He may just show up with trumps to pay dude. I get a hundred percent see that That would be hilarious.

Anyway, let's move on because we've given karaoke much. What did you rate? Well, let's rate it. Oh karaoke's.

I mean, I found the episode. I'll give it a three and a half It's a three, but it the problem again is like you have this guy on For the second time. Well, is it the second time? Are you sure?

I'm pretty sure okay This is one of those ones where like this guy's here selling a book and trying to get a presidential pardon And that is tough because this one of those episodes where you want Joe to derail it and go no No, let's concentrate on Jeffrey Epstein for a minute or wait wait What about charlie kirk because you're a fucking you're an expert in these sort of operations that we would do abroad Right does this seem like a foreign government could come on to us soil execute a problematic speaker and then get away What do you think about net and yeah, who apologizing for something nobody accused him? Yeah, like again and again, he's selling a book he's trying to get the presidential pardon He's just talking about his actual like I went to jail and this I get it, but fuck man. Fuck Yeah, no, it's so true now that you say that he's like I didn't even think of the pardon Well, I again never occurred. Shout out to I think the guy's name is Brandon LaRoe Was he hit me up and was like because he's like I'm a big fan of this guy for one other podcast That's why I thought it was his first time because this guy made it seem like he'd never been on before It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. Yeah, I give it a three and a half sure I'm gonna go down to a two and a half because I didn't like this whole To the president the part of it partnering I mean in this guy's defense if there's one president who may do it It's probably Donald Trump even though he gives no I really feel like Donald Trump is only doing things if they serve him You know what now that guy doesn't have any money or power now that I've said it out loud yours makes a lot more sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, all right Let's move on. Okay, so you want to do car car car. Yeah, very good very good very good Let me pull up this set of notes here and we will be in Jackson car. No, not Jackson It's a joke.

It's a joke. Why is that funny though Jackson? Well, it's just like those jokes like t-pain is short for Tyrannosaurus pain a source or you know, I mean never mind Simon doesn't like memes or young people. I just I don't get it.

I guess. Yeah, I understood that you didn't get it. That's where I was I think this is Jack Cara right here. Yeah Jack Cara episode number two three.

Yeah, you want to take a guess two three nine eight nine zero You had the nine right uh if it was a girl's phone number I could just dial the other ones and I would have gotten there eventually This guy is really into realism and authenticity Yeah, he's mentioned that. Yeah That's the no Chuck Cara writes military thrillers basically therapy for people who alphabetize their ammo Good one car Wonder if that was his joke or chat GPT. Yeah, who was that? I like that Um, so guess Jack Cara former us Navy seal and best-selling author Um episode date October 8th 2025.

No, we don't need that duration. No, we don't need this. Don't do this Key subjects include okay his new books at a 1968 Vietnam Uh, yeah, so there you go This is so funny. This one is 1000 percent chat GPT Uh, check car introduces his new books in 1968 Vietnam and discusses immersive research Yeah, I didn't care for this episode seven to 12 minutes media publishing historical accuracy Discussion on the media's influence and cars aim for authenticity and representing the Vietnam era I mean the Vietnam war we know from apocalypse now is a fucking Total shit show, but it's a cool There's a lot of angles you take because a lot of angles you could take from a a storytelling or film perspective for sure for sure Yeah But I mean you got to argue too like how many Vietnam is arguably one of the most covered wars as far as like Film and television is it not?

Like I'd say more than world war two. Well, I think it they didn't have like the cameras and shit No, no, I didn't I'm not talking about like recreations of like they could we this year they could make 18 world war two I'm not talking about like actual footage of Like world war one is an example up until a few years ago. There was like no world war one movies It feels like in the last world war one movies. Yes, what did we get?

We got 1914. Yeah, all quiet on the western front But these are on the last time sure, but again I don't know if passion deal was but my point is all these are in the last like 10 years before that There was really no world war one movies was there No, I don't think so. I think you're right. I think maybe before our time, but I mean, but I'm trying to even think of one anyways I mean the world world war two was a more like Flashy war, you know, well cuz yeah, it was all just trench warfare in world war one and slow flying I mean band of brothers really is the best war thing that's ever been filmed I mean I agree it's it's unfair because like if you give saving private ryan Which is again, you could argue it's the same thing Right and if you give saving private ryan 12 hours to tell its story to build the characters It was really all about like in band of brothers you fall in love with character They're dead the next episode.

You know what the difference was though. Go on band of brothers You didn't know anybody they were all they could all been soldiers because you didn't know them They weren't famous actors. They weren't in a whole bunch of shit like what's his name? Winters, maybe you can argue while he's been in a lot of stuff since then but before then you would maybe already been in He was like a Stephen King movie.

No, no, no. He had already been in The CIA show there where he plays the oh, no, I don't think I think that's after no, I think it's before both clair Danes Yeah, what does that show called? It's got mandy patinkin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um I'm I'm not maybe not like unchartered.

You know what I mean? I'm doing no on it's uh the trader. No, that's not it What the fuck is it called? Okay, hold on now.

I have to find out. Wait, let's spend two more minutes trying to figure it out No, no, no, no, I'm fine because I think we get there do your alphabet thing. Okay, so a be No, you're just saying out that it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work for it.

Hey, Siri clair Danes mandy patinkin's CIA show Then give me the first letter in August it right away. Okay, first letter is H H homeland We could go there too. Maybe if I'd gotten to H. I just wasn't on the right I got you on with the right vibe.

That's like that was a good the first season of that show was incredible Yeah, once they start. Yeah, it really after he leaves winters or whatever the fuck his name is who's a Brit by the way Yeah, of course. We were just talking about that. I was talking about that Whatever night that was we went out.

Yeah when you watch a show. Yeah, and then years later find out that the guy is Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins is a Brit. Yeah, shut the fuck up It it's so amazing. Like, uh, it changed the game.

Nolte. Yeah, I had zero idea that that guy was a Brit He never cracks. He never he does though. It's you know what sucks is so you I guess you found out after you'd watch the wire Yeah, see so if you rewatch the wire right now, you'll see it slip through more.

Yeah, yeah Yeah, like the thing is it's like Jude law in black rabbit where kamar said it So it's planted the seed and you end you know for a fact. He's British like he's been around forever You know, he's a Brit so every time it's a struggle. You catch it. Okay, whereas I'm saying with with uh I'll have to go back and watch it because I don't remember ever for a second thinking He was you know, it comes out the most when he's acting drunk and yelling any time he raises his voice I find it tough to maintain an accent the louder you go about Idris Elba.

Did you notice any slips from him? Uh, no, I mean I don't I don't know the Baltimore accent that well What's another uh one where you were just like I can't believe uh, I'm telling Bob Hoskins was the biggest one for me Because I grew up like I must have watched who framed roger rabbit 500 times as a kid like it was one of my beta max that you know, I mean like to fucking watch that movie forever Do you know much that movie cost who framed roger rabbit? Yeah, I mean it was a way ahead of time it was a lot because they were doing this cartoon meld dude like a parent Like if you uh adjusted for inflation that movie cost like 500 million dollars to make yeah like a fucking ton of money Yeah, well that was like a hard thing to do at the time I remember watching a thing on how they did stuff where like there's a scene where he's like holding roger by the throat and he's spitting water and they just have like a And then they superimpose the crazy the cartoon on to it. Yeah, it is crazy Uh, sorry.

Let me uh, let me pull up the rest of this shit. God. What a what a rinky dink operation I well doesn't I'm giving this guy like 10 fuck creative fields They discuss how AI is affecting writing new writing music and the value of human-made art I mean we talk about all that all the time, but uh It's You can you can fight it as much as you want. It's too late They'll always be people who like man made art.

I think you know, I mean, I you know part of me is like I don't know if I mentioned this a couple weeks ago, but like when you listen at 50 cent AI Yeah, it made me think to myself like there was probably someone in the 60s who studio was like all analog Right and someone came along and like had a digital synth or whatever and like hooked it up and that guy was like No, no, no, no, like that's not we'll just play it on the piano like to him That was what AI is now to like us whereas it's like you can't you but you only fight it for so long I guess is my point dude. I I've listened to that 50 cent AI song. I don't know thousand times conservatively Not only that I've heard m&m version nw a straight out of Compton as a r&b It's like I can't raise I refuse to listen anymore of them Just out of fear that one of them may be as good as this because dude Like even if you go to that 50 cent song on youtube right now the top comment is uh It has like thousands of likes as this guy being like tell me this isn't the best thing You've heard in a very long time and that's the scary part is you're like I actually heard another I heard 50 cent in the club as an r&b uh like they all work I mean what I think it is is it's just like that specific time in music that Motown r&b like the temptations Al green sam cook bill withers like we don't make music like that anymore And so you've all the best songs of that era you've heard or I've heard for sure So when you hear a new one, I think they can do it with any genre of music. I don't think it matters I think that they could take a rap song and turn it into a rock song and it would slap you know what I mean like it's just Well, don't forget to that rap doing that is cool.

Yeah. I mean also rap is very lyric driven Yeah, you and I spoke about how like a radio head song is just like a weird poem that doesn't necessarily rhyme anywhere Whereas rap for a long time was very specifically like it has to rhyme. It's got to sound good. It's got to make sense Well, I mean rap is um, it's it's a lot like a poem and you really get it when they do it to like Motown music because you're like Well, it's really slowed down.

So you hear the words are disjointed Yeah, a lot of them don't rhyme, but they shouldn't because it's a Motown song, you know what I mean? It's not fucking a Christmas tune But there's also tricks in rap too like when you listen to like UK grime because those guys have an accent They can rhyme words that Americans can't Yep, or you could just be Jay-Z and make up words to rhyme, you know, when did Jay-Z do that each to the is always very Well, I would say snoop who cares. They're all the same. I don't know that one to me But no, no Jay-Z does it all the time.

He does uh, no, he does not. Yeah, hold on It's gonna come to me just won't because he doesn't do it all the time Even that you know, it's funny about Jay-Z is like when you ever hear someone banging Jay-Z Like when you ever hear someone bumping Jay-Z never exactly right? That's why when people like Jay-Z is one of the best ever I'm like really because I never hear him anymore I still hear Nas I play Nas I bang Nas all the time. I'm like this is fucking sick.

This is not you're not gonna like this Okay, but the only Jay-Z that I really Rock to is the one he did with Kanye. I like that whole album. Watch the throne Yeah, I know you don't like it. I like that.

Are you kidding? I don't know that album has some fucking bangers on it. I feel like you said that it's like commercial nonsense No, no that album has some fucking bangers. Yeah, a lot of good songs bangers on it Yeah, and I don't like Kanye and I don't especially like Jay-Z, but that album Real good No, it's got the Otis the Otis.

That's amazing. Yeah, it's incredible the uh, we're gonna dance one Oh, the ziggers in Paris is incredible ball so hard motherfuckers won't have fun me That's not the name of the song though. Yes, it is It's called niggas in Paris. Yeah with an N.

Yeah, well, I didn't want to say it. So I know that's why I said that You made me say it. No, I didn't. You said that's not the name of the song.

You were dying to say it and you couldn't wait First off. I didn't hard R. Anything. I did the softest A ever Sure Sounds like I'm part of the tribe.

So I don't even know who you're talking about Okay, so hold on we'll move on here adaptation authenticity stunt scar talks about his tv app But to experience the terminalist stunt work. Yeah, the way Joe fucking The terminalist is the best show ever done on it like just slow your roll a tiny little bit Don't forget that when Taylor Sheridan's in he's like he's like yellow stone might be the best television show of all time Which is just unequivocally not even fucking close no and the more like I will like watching Yellowstone, but it was horrible. It's a horrible. I watched it.

Okay, so I'm not gonna sit here It is terrible and I will hear nothing other than that. It's so entertaining, but it's so bad That's tits terrible acting like it has all the check marks It's like all the binge watch this I'm with you, but fuck that show terrible Nothing's going anyone's waist on and there's no touchdowns being scored or nothing's happening Not good tv app of the k will move on vintage gear and vehicles They explore interests and vintage watches land cruisers and how gear ties into storytelling Fuck off fuck off We can't with these fucking guys fuck off nature and outdoor activities discussion include bear hunting snorkeling with golfins Wilderness experiences and their connection to nature Cool Now let's be done. I don't even want there's nothing to talk about in this guy He literally just pushes his own show. He talks about navy seals.

He talks about the military None of this is surprising the The last thing they talked about was a department of war Defense I truly and again, maybe this is because I'm Canadian But I actually think department of defense is a much better sounding war sounds like you're out there actively trying I mean again, that's actually what you're doing. No, it's a little more honest Defense is the the nice way of saying what you were doing We don't need that thrown in and if I'm if I'm an American citizen I don't need that thrown in my face either like we get it We know what you're doing like you don't have to spell it out for us Department of aren't you all pussies except China not you China definitely not you China But the rest of you are pussies total pussies and I don't get the beard thing frankly Well, the one thing they said was not they're not talking about seals and like those high-end operators They can keep beards, okay, but who even cares who cares about the fucking beard Like I'm not saying you should be able to have a long beard, but if you want to have like a trimmed beard I mean the weird thing to me is that anyone who's willing to pick up a gun and fight for you I mean you should be pretty fucking happy that they're willing to do it the idea that you would be like, oh no gays Like I don't do cares. Yeah, well, what do you look at my dick? Like, I don't know Shoot your gun.

Well, that's not a good idea. Not at him. Not at the gay That's not a good idea. No, what I'm just saying like if you're if you're really and again you guys Their military problem is not beards and fucking No one wants to sign up.

No one wants to fight for Israel. No one wants to go to war for not the country I mean they still have people signing up. I think it's record low really. Yeah, I would if you but if you chat GBT the numbers right now, it's got to be record low Yeah, I mean, it's interesting how they've always had like uh, like that's what top gun was all about Yeah, recruited.

Yeah, we need people to join the fucking Navy or Air Force or whatever And then they he did that was gonna do that space thing to try and recruit people into uh, yeah, that's another thing that just vanished What? Trump's a space force. Yeah, like that was a big deal first like oh speaking of space forces. Yeah, so that's another like, um, they uh, A.I.

Atlas flew by Mars. Oh three A.I. Atlas sorry closest it was gonna be for them to take pictures They had like the telescope aimed at it. They had the rover aimed at it.

They have all these Mars Video things they all aimed at it all to get a picture of this thing the second that they're supposed to release it. NASA sites go down Surprising. It's very interesting. At least Joe said he was having uh, Avi Waben apparently apparently to China because apparently this is like the one down for them too Yeah, apparently this is the one thing too where they all share info and when it passed by everyone was like, yeah, nothing Well, China's whole thing too was um Like be more straightforward than the states always post the pictures that like we'll tell you exactly what's happening And then everybody goes dark at the same time.

It's fucked man. This really sounds like the beginning of uh, we know they're coming They're out there that things like um 13 kilometers long Uh spaceship that's 13 kilometers long Like imagine that imagine that in the sky. You can't you can't even fathom it. Do you know what 13 kilometers is?

It's long. It's really long dude. It's it's so long that on this flat earth. You can't see the end of it, you know No 13 kilometers long for sure.

It's so long. It's not a three football fields long. I mean, it's probably unmanned realistically If it's 13 kilometers long It is 100 percent manned because why do you build something that big unless you're Your whole no, no, there could be a bunch of reasons tons of reasons what it could be a fuel thing Okay, I just I don't think fuels an issue for people traveling at the speed of light Well, no, but even okay, forget fuel like the way a tesla has so many x amount of batteries to keep on the road It's 13 kilometers of batteries I mean we don't if this is an actual alien craft They are so far past what we know and can conceive This is what I'm doing But I'm just using it as an example that the reason one might build a 13 kilometer long ship is simply because You need whatever's on that ship is powering the fucking we also don't know like they've started talking about a i Atlas Or sorry three i Atlas when it came into our Yeah, we don't know where the fucking solar system or galaxy or whatever the fuck We don't know we don't know if like right before it came into view for us. That's where it Portal opened from wherever all I'm saying is power might not even be an issue for the i agree But transporting people might be you know sure I mean listen you could also argue that it's that big as like a solar like If it was run on solar for example, so every every galaxy has a fucking it just so big that it eats up I don't know.

Yeah, who knows man the idea though that um This isn't a bigger story. Mm-hmm is super weird to me. I agree Simon we're in full fucking agreement. Like I've heard about Haley's comment for my whole fucking life.

Yeah Huge deal. I'm with you. This nothing This is like so much bigger than Haley's comment the other thing in and nobody's talking about it at all They're like yeah, of course it's not coming towards us If this thing did come towards us for some reason it is a world-breaker Dude, it would evaporate the earth the speed it's going. It's 13 kilometers.

It's over. It's over. It's done It's over that's way bigger than um the I mean, we assume I guess the dinosaur one like I don't think that was the 13 kilometer Either way, I did again to speed this thing's moving out. It's gonna.

Yeah, we're done. It's over wouldn't be life on earth for a million years Yeah, it's uh very it just seems like that should be something that people are interested in And very few people are interested in it. I agree Forget that it could even be a UFO. Just the fact that something that big is in our solar It's passing between us and Mars, right?

Like it's doing weird shit. No, it's not. It's on the other side of Mars I don't even know it's doing weird shit. Well, who knows what it's doing up there, Matt.

Like well, they're saying it's doing weird shit Yeah, the people I watch on tiktok are saying it's being weird shit I'd like I have no idea fair enough You're right, but I know that something is out there and I know that everybody's cameras went out when it was time to show us the pictures of it So we have an agreement. I agree with that great jackr I mean, I can't give this one more than like a one and a half Yeah, I give it a one. We don't need this. Give us some fucking answers.

Joe. You got this guy elected now Get someone on who's gonna give us some fucking answers. I'd rather talk to Mike Baker than jackr Oh my god. I said don't do that.

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Oh, they're so curated. They're so uh, so we'll start with um What's this fuck? Um go on Yeah, a job. Oh, don't contrast.

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All right, uh, start off All right number 23. Yeah Uh 91 We have a winner Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it shouldn't be that hard Do you know the last one was 90 but what I still feel like this is going to be a great fucking afternoon still finds a way to throw shade Jade jade. You know me man. You know me.

I am like a umbrella on the beach Um, yes, you are dunk and trussle everybody's favorite Christian Odysava I don't know. It feels like uh, it feels like he's gone the way of uh christianity and not uh buddhism They were dressed like priests and they spent the entire show talking about religion Yeah, it's hard to tell with uh dunkin because he has always been pretty like multi first on i'll give him that sure religion Yeah, so He's just dipping his tone right now. It's a little more obvious that he has you know been um What pill is that when you become religious? I don't know We gotta make one up right now.

I was gonna say white because that's like the pope color But that's there's already white pill, right? What's that? What's white? I don't know.

Well, that's what it is. It's white pill Interesting. We just made one up just and coincidentally also the color of the kukluks kind of not making a comparison there just pointing out Weird. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, go on dunkin Isn't it weird to that like the fancy bishops wear those red Um things in the top guy in the kukluks clan. Where is red? The grandmaster the grand dragon.

No grand dragon master. No, I think it's dragon. Yeah, I think you're right. I'm talking like rap grandmaster flash.

Yeah. Yeah Okay. Well, there you go That's right. Um topics covered religion political ideologies immigration homelessness capitalism communism alien encounters AI and technology evil and human trafficking brackets Epstein file and ancient civilizations duration two hours and 46 minutes I hate these notes.

I hate the way you're reading them. I like the kumar skips this portion of them I hate that you read them. I just I just read it. I'm told I know yeah times to have topic two details You're like ron burgundy.

It's on the teleprompter mat. I don't know what you want from me I have to read it. I have to read it Oh my god. All right.

Let me see what I can skip over here. Um, oh, where do you want to start homelessness communism? No, we're gonna start at alien encounters communism meritocracy. Okay, focus shifts to Towards speculative for like these don't even notes man.

Um, he had a machine make them the machine doesn't know what we do Alien encounters. Well, what do you want to talk about? I mean, I assume you're gonna take the well Do you believe it? Listen, not everybody's gonna be telling the truth, but when you hear a guy like Travis Walton or I guess that would be the best example for you because I know you've heard that episode Yeah, do you does that sound to you like a guy who's lying?

You know what I mean? Um No, but it doesn't he doesn't have to be lying like we're just gonna talk about Bigfoot for a second. Okay, sure quick second. Sure.

Um, I listen to a lot of encounter Podcasts where it's just they have people on and they people tell their story. Yeah Let's say I listen to 10,000 episodes. No, that's yeah, let's say a thousand episodes just for fun. Okay, it's way more than that But just a thousand episodes.

Okay in that thousand episodes like half of them right away The people are fucking bonkers. You know what I mean? You can tell I have the rep multiple sightings over a lifetime Like the chances of you seeing him once, you know what I mean? So I throw those out right away But let me ask you like if you like if you live near Los Alamos labs or if you live near, you know what I mean Do you not have do not have a claim where you and I take that into account?

That's not what I'm saying. These are people I once lived in California and saw him and then they moved to New Hampshire, but they saw him there too I'm just saying right away. I can throw out Half of the things because I know these people are not on the level. Yeah, okay Then there are um ones where I'm just not sure and we'll call that another 25% so we're at 75% so I have 25% left all when I hear those so I'm being um You you can see that I'm being sitting through you.

I don't know what the word is. I'm sorry. I'm with you too high now but I'm Trying to be impartial here, you know Then there are 25% that I hear that convinced me and then there's probably 10% that would convince anybody So I guess my thing is this is what I'm saying is those 25% of the people that you believe yeah I'm not saying I wouldn't believe them the next I wouldn't believe them what I'm saying that was like with what we know about like MK Ultra or with what we don't even know about MK Ultra or what they may you know I mean it could be That they saw what they saw but it could be a plethora of things could it not? Yeah, it's all what I'm saying is what I'm saying is even half even half of that 25% that you believe Okay, so fine even if it's just 10% yeah, even if it's 5% I'm with you even if it's 1% Yeah, yeah, you still believe and listen you believe either way I guess my point is like the same with alien abductions like I've heard so many yeah if one of them is true um there are aliens it just takes one and with alien abductions like It's just there are so many stories like and same with the Bigfoot like there are so many stories there are so many encounters there are so many people who have Phone the um Bigfoot whatever it is to put in their story like the idea that every one of those people is lying No, it just seems to me like categorically.

I'm with you. I mean I get listen. I agree I agree with what you're saying Let's also, you know, let's do the Bigfoot thing where like again three quarters of the people calling in are probably full of shit Right and let's assume 25% of the people believe they saw what they saw You also know that like if you are out in the thick woods and like you hear a loud fucking Noise and you're adrenaline is pumping and you see something standing up big and again You're like oh, it's Bigfoot. That's possible too and it could be one of many things.

I mean Yeah, no listen It could be like Joe says lots of bears walk on their two feet, you know what I mean? I just when you hear these people talking they're not saying it was a thing that was maybe that it's like When they're describing the fucking look on the Bigfoot's face. Yeah, I just The idea and for the Bigfoot and I guess for ghosts too for all of these things that everybody is lying Like it's just so many people lying Are there that many liars in the world? Oh, I mean the answer is yes, but it's not a lot Again, you're doing this across all cultures like it.

Just see it seems crazy. That seems crazy Listen, Simon. I'm not saying any of it could be true ghosts could be real Werewolves could be real Right anything is possible, but I don't know Again, like when I hear people talking about dog man encounters. Yeah, that's your vision of a werewolf I think I think they're lying, which is crazy because I believe in Bigfoot.

Oh interesting, but dog man is a step too far Um A Bigfoot you can wrap your head around. I mean, I don't like to say anybody is lying are vampires real or were they ever? I've never heard like a credible story from somebody that makes me believe let alone like a bunch where I am The problem with dog man. It's not that I don't believe it's that you saw a fucking werewolf dog man.

No one no No, that's what they call it. I don't like this. No, no, I'm telling you though Nobody calls it a werewolf and it's only been within like there are dog man encounters that go back in time Just like Bigfoot, but I only started hearing about it Like let's say in the last 10 years That's people are starting to come forward with these stories like I saw this thing out there. It's not Bigfoot It's dog man.

And the way they describe it is like You know your definition of a werewolf dog man All I'm saying is I haven't heard enough stories because of the 100 I've heard 50 are fake you know what I mean? So there's just not enough story. It's not that I don't believe It's that I haven't been presented with enough. My only problem is much like conspiracies where once you hear about like 50 of them that are real It's easy for your mind to then open and my point is like It's tough You know, you just you just did that thing where you were like I guess it's weird for me to think like I I think there's Bigfoot But I refuse to believe in dog man, right?

Because it's you're doing that thing where you're like wait a minute I believe in this like quote unquote crazy thing. So who lied I just told you why it's because at least with Bigfoot I have enough sure it goes beyond cultures I can um Say even when I'm left with my five percent. It's still a lot dog man I don't have enough stories yet. So I'll just have to just kind of find a dog man specific podcast So maybe that's an untapped niche that we should get into a fine dog man survivors I think you'd be surprised how many how crazy they would be to talk I know that you don't like it But if if I had my druthers, yeah Those are that would be a fun podcast to do where you bring on people to tell their stories about yeah Have them in my house with my son.

No, no, no, it didn't it wouldn't be able to work like that You know what I mean? I'd have to like get it have to be so successful. Yeah, we got a space of course I'm with you. Yeah, we're at like a mark later level where we're interviewing vagrants on the street in our fucking Listen, there are people out there making really good money off fucking dog man podcast I'm just saying not for you, but they have there's got to be I'd for sure that's a niche.

I bet for sure I'm not being sarcastic. I know I'm neither am I'm being as real as I can so I'm I think you should do like a google daily podcast five minute the five minute dogman update Every day you're like so no new update today on dog man guys, but uh today tomorrow tomorrow. I'm hoping to have Oh, dude, it'll serve me right that I get attacked by dog man tonight Yeah, it just you there for three weeks. There's there hasn't been a dog man update in three weeks And then it's just me coming on we have a Simon Simon Simon's body was found chewed up in the woods They think he was attacked by wild dogs.

We don't know what happened. Yeah, the library burned down Exactly. Um, that's funny. How did we get to dog that?

Oh because of the Abductions. Yes, and the abductions my whole point was like do we not believe anybody of the Hundreds of people coming forward. We believe nobody I guess the problem is is like and I know you're gonna push back on this if like how many of what you're listening to are us based Um some mostly most okay, so here just here's man. I'm not saying this doesn't exist I'm not saying that in Croatia right now.

There isn't a dude sitting down with a six foot four fucking Basketball player looking guy who's like a snake and up on the ship The fact that the majority of them come from north america where we have a serious mental health and drug problem Is a little bit concerning that's all I'm saying right and you would have to give me that that at the very least Um Like I'd want to go to like finland in Norway somewhere where there isn't like a rampant fucking fentanyl There probably is a rampant fentanyl problem. What am I saying? I guarantee you? I I 100 percent guarantee you okay that no matter what My point is just country you go.

Yeah. Yeah. There are multiple podcasts about of course forget the podcast My point is just this is like I want to know if like per capita if any other country outside of north america has as many claims of seeing UFOs And if there isn't just hear me out you have to think of two things a the military presence over here like the testing Right, so the us testing things that like brat every time he gets drunk He talks about the guys that it that invented the sr-71 he brings it up he'll shoehorn the sr-71 into every conversation possible All i'm saying is like the us could be testing stuff that people see and they don't understand it and they're like that's definitely a ufo Yeah, and also And that falls into what they saw was real and what they believe they saw is real so they're not they're not phonies They're not lying if they took a lie detector test they would pass all that stuff is possible again I'm just saying Simon. Yeah, but we're not talking about UFO sightings.

We're talking about being taken by aliens. You're talking about abductions I mean listen Simon. I'll give you this you know after all the fucking Hearings with Congress and people from the navy and tic-tac videos and shit like There's clearly something here that I don't think we are part of or designed and so Why wouldn't there be abductions? We do it all the time zoos are fucking everywhere.

We do it all the time. Yeah, we do it religiously We love doing it grab that thing stick something up to us grab that thing test shampoo and it said grab that thing cut it open Grab that thing rub shampoo in its asshole like we love doing that So why wouldn't they it makes perfect sense? I mean the only thing that doesn't make sense is that they would ever return us I mean I guess at the same time though We like if we here's a thing if you could pull a monkey out of its habitat and do like heinous tests on it for a week But then give it a pill where a week later It's perfectly fine and you can just drop it back in its habitat and it just and doesn't remember what no and it just goes back to being a monkey And that's fine like we would probably do that for the sake of like well We haven't really damaged the habitat the monkey isn't aware right So I guess there is an argument for if we had that technology we would also do that We have no idea why the aliens would take the humans we don't know what they're I mean again I just I just laid it out for you at the very base at the very base of we do this Yeah, they would do this Yeah, no for sure And that part actually makes me believe Travis Walton's story even more because his whole thing was that he got too close and somehow got Yes, it hurt him. So that was trying to say yeah Yeah, we don't want this guy to die.

I mean it's interesting but also at the same time he gets like Well, he's up here. Yeah, let's put something inside We got him here, right? I don't know how much I know the movie makes it seem like there's more about playing than what there actually was I mean keep in mind too, like they could be a species where the anus is the key to everything And that's how they heal people, right? So there's not like for us We're like whoa, but play and they're like but play do I save your life with the up-the-ass life saver thing?

That's right. Yeah, it's like ducks give birth The same place. Oh sure. Yeah, exactly.

That egg comes out of the same hole. There you go. Disgusting. Yeah Old shit egg.

Um, anyways, yeah, so the that's that part of it and then they talked a little bit about AI possibly being like an alien agenda and that would totally make sense, right? Like checks out If you were a super species who was studying the species below it Yeah, the best way to get your kind of info would be to make a matrix for them to go into where you control the parameters and hence are going Right. Yeah, so if we do live on a real world and this isn't a simulation Yeah, that would might be a good explanation It would be super weird if that was going on in our simulation. So it was like a simulation within a simulation There's a dude.

There's I that would be so far. I watched a video about that the other day How there's there's potential that it is just a simulation with in a simulation with innocent Well, it would make sense right like if we were living in a simulation right now Yeah, it would and a free will simulate meaning that like as free as we think this world is as long as you follow the rules blah blah blah at some point we invent AI yeah that AI then leads to The holodeck and we've now made a simulation inside of a simulation That could very well be going on or about to be going on right now We are literally at the precipice run to imagine if that is like the trigger to end our simulation Oh, it's like like in the matrix where he's like seven times when he goes and meets the architect Remember the major in the second matrix and reloaded neo goes through this door And when he gets through the door, it's just a white room with all these screens And there's an old man there with a gravy architect I'm like and the architect the whole point is the architect says seven different times like the same way the simulation runs is that Six different times you've come here and you've made the same choice every time and when you make that choice The simulation resets and we do this all again. Yeah, and the shirad goes on that sounds like Fanciful. I guess mine is just you know the second you try and make a simulation inside of a simulation The simulation ends itself.

It has like a fail safe I mean, it's a lot like the idea of time travel where like the second someone can do it Doesn't it just unravel all of time before that? You know what I mean? It's funny that we Yes, by the way we believe time works We have no fucking idea. That's true.

Yeah, that's true Maybe it's so different than the way we think it is. Yeah, it might not be linear at all We just that's how we experience time. Well, of course, it probably is but it might be one of those things like once you get into I don't know what you want to call it But whatever that flow is on top of us where your consciousness can go. Yeah, and if you're able to like look back And see things.

I don't know if that's how it works, but the Maybe you would see time as like a construct as a Maybe this physical framework. I have no idea. Who knows, right? Listen dude, if we're really just energy Then who like the way we experience time could also just be because we are this energy like time like you're saying time could be Time could still be linear, but it could all it could be like a from this point.

There's a million lines going In a million directions. They could precisely and they never touch each other But they're always just going out from this one point because I was thinking the other day when they talk about like different dimensions Like we have no idea how that works. No Um, we have an idea based on science fiction and things like that But like maybe those are just concepts that are or not maybe it's by design like don't forget too If we that guy on a few weeks ago was talking about uh, and Joe's reading his book currently He was talking about how there's like there's certain genes and humans that like don't make sense Like it's not in any other primates. It wasn't in Neanderthals It wasn't they can't find it anywhere and he was saying it could be the missing link of that makes like the you know That sort of pieces together Darwin's theory of evolution because you know how uh, Weinstein's always on talking about how he's like there's a big gap that doesn't make sense for sure so This guy's theory is you know, I guess it could be alien.

It could be anything But for some reason we have this extra gene and who knows that gene could be like, you know, think about like a panspermia Like maybe maybe Mars was in inhabited planet and like I said they tried to come here But it wasn't inhabitable But they had the the seed of life and sort of planted that and as they die a million years later We end up here. Yeah, they shoot their space giz and yeah, and then a million years later Like I said, we're here walking around with cell phones hating each other Um and then creating the AI that will eventually unravel it all and we'll try to go back tomorrow You know what I mean? That's sort of weird who knows I mean dude. I think given our short lifespan It doesn't matter anyway.

It doesn't matter anyways Like the only way it could matter is if you somehow came to some like proof of some Dude, I don't even know what it doesn't matter If time itself was like a full year. We're here on like December 31st in the lot and the very very very very very But maybe it turns out that you live your life A billion times and each time does matter a little bit the right sure. Yeah, you can do it better every time. Yeah, who knows man I mean, I don't know.

I don't love the idea of doing it all again personally, but I guess the 90s was fun like you hear again like with the um Abductions, you I've heard a lot of stories about people who die And come back and they tell you what they saw like if you ever heard that kid talk about it No That's one of those things when you're here and you're like this is because the kid doesn't experience anything Something a child could make up. Yeah, but it's so it's like rings true to like other ancient things You've heard and I can't remember what it was but I remember listening to it and I was just like Yeah, I'm sold on this kid, you know I mean listen, there's you know There's a chance that we're lacking connection to whatever the fuck brought us here or gone us here or And who knows like do they keep who knows what they find under the pyramids? Not that they'll ever really tell us, right? Yeah, you'll probably never find out.

Well, what's his name is alive? I mean do to be crazy a fucking three-eye Atlas came back around and something happened under the pyramids It just started activating the the core down there. Yeah, yeah under there. Yeah, it takes off out of Egypt It would be incredible to see something like that But it would be scary at the same time because it would mean that shit was happening, you know Yeah, it would be scary as fuck like this three-eye Atlas thing.

Yeah It's it's amazing if it's a giant spaceship that's 17 kilometers long or whatever the number is $10,000 I have no idea how big it is. I don't think I don't care how long it is. It's 17 13 either way It's a long long ship potentially. It sounds like the coolest thing I've ever heard, but if that's true It's pretty scary because we have no idea That could wipe us out in two seconds if it was an alien ship I mean what's scary is that there is something clearly if it is a ship even if it's unmanned what's scary is that there's something out there That has a ship disguised as a comet Flying through space, so they're obviously so much more advanced than we are And they could obviously come out coming here and wipe us all out This is what I'm saying We have no idea what their intentions are what they're even like what you write You know, it's funny is you always talk about like the psyops of like name a psyop whether it's true or not Wouldn't it be great if there's like a positive psyop once where they got together and they were like hey Imagine we just told them it was like aliens And like we all worked together for once You know what I mean like a positive psyop where they told us something and we actually all were like Yeah, you know what fucking the terrorists are like let's all let's end starvation one.

It's called Santa Claus The ultimate yeah, the ultimate side of one of those down So then they talked about the Epstein files finally. We got the The guy who needed the most thank god, but listen it was nice to at least hear them talk about it They talked about child trafficking and the existence of evil um So yeah, I mean that just gives us carte blanche to talk about the Epstein files which which trump is obviously all over I mean other people too. Well, do you think this is really gonna happen? So as soon as congress gets back in It doesn't matter listen though.

What are they gonna be releasing? Let me explain that's what I was gonna say We're not getting anything anything that had any substance in it has been burnt has been fucking shipped to mars in a concrete Like we're not getting anything right if you think you're getting a list of like like a kill list where it's like Little clinton 18 girls like that's it. That's not that's not gonna happen. We're never getting that I just think it's interesting that they're willing to shut down the government to hide whoever is on potentially this list Or that they're involved in it somehow We have to like if you found out if you found out that the cia was that this was a moosade operation that the cia Was fully involved with where they were blackmailing americans because keep in mind It would look pretty bad if the cia themselves had a honeypot operation collecting information on americans who run yeah very Important companies as it were but if you get another country to do it for you, but if all that's in there And we find out that for decades moosade has been like working or the cia has been working using moosade that they're just one The same entity sort of the snake eating its tail sort of deal if we find that out I mean It's so bad for israel first of all like this would be the worst time for us to find that out the absolute worst time For israel it would be bad for everybody there's no one worse than israel if we found that out right this It would be like the and because pr for them right now.

I think is that an all-time low So we have to assume though that jeslane did not have access to any sort of list Because you think she would have used that as leverage. Yeah, no fucking shit But again, what if what if they told her like let's do the real deep conspiracy thing Jeffrey Epstein's not dead He's very much alive. He's in a he's in a house in montana. They'll never find him.

He's in the right They told her like listen you're gonna do five sweet years Like you're gonna get good fellas years. You're gonna be cooking your own for gonna have groceries brought in You're gonna have netflix like you might have to do an interview here there where you're like, oh, please Let me out so but at the end of this you're getting a full pardon under the rug No one will know about it And you can just go back to fucking the south of france and live on a yacht and do whatever you did before because we're still gonna need you Like the idea it's if this was some sort of honey pot operation The idea that it just stopped and has not continued on in some way shape or form is also crazy, right? Well, I would assume that that one was blown Yeah, but that like the office shuts down and they go, okay good work guys. It was a good 25 years Um, we'll regroup in a month.

We got a place down the street start start getting leads start getting a guy You know what like right? Yeah for sure, but anybody related to that Epstein They're all uh blown None of those people are coming back to you to go to a new Epstein island because You're sus now, you know, I mean who knows listen dude. I don't know I'm saying they'll start it again They'll have a DD and they probably have 20 of these hundred of these already going And it's probably a whole like ecosystem where one they know they're going to die off eventually And there's just another one to take its place But it's not with the same people those people on that list they all have to be wary now of It being a honey pot I mean obviously weren't aware that Epstein was an agent of some sort They thought they were going there to right if they knew that they never would have gone Yeah, I guess that's yeah You're just assuming this guy's got a lot of money and access to like super well, that's the whole thing, right? Like did you hear what's his name?

Ludkin Howard Ludkin's I think there's a guy that interviewed this week And he was like the first time this guy lived next to Epstein And he was like the first time I met Jeffrey Epstein his assistant came over to my house Was like, hey, Jeff wants to meet you. He just moved to next door And he's like so my wife and I Tyler Higby touchdown your mother fucker Are you kidding? I'm not kidding plus 300 Anyway, he said he invites me and my wife over we we go over and he's showing us around and he goes the house is like insane He goes it's one of the biggest houses I've ever seen He says we go into the living room and the living room's gigantic and just past the living room And he goes we open these giant he opens these giant doors And it's this huge room and just in the middle of the room The only thing in the room is a massage table And he says and Jeffrey Epstein looks at me and he goes mind you my wife is directly beside me And Jeffrey Epstein looks and he goes I get a massage every day Never miss a day and then he looks at him and goes and the right kind of massage And then he was and then this guy says from that moment on my wife and I said we're leaving We politely left and he said we never ever went back We never trusted this guy and he said I never he said anyone who was in this guy's orbit I tried not to do business with them I didn't want anything to do with this guy from that one for him It's just crazy that like they imagine living next to Epstein and seeing so You're like holy shit was that um the guy in the wheelchair was that uh Steven Hawkins What the fuck is going on here? Yeah, I mean again, I guess you're in a pretty fancy neighborhood You're a billionaire so like you also are like oh I had Chris Rob performed at my house last night for dinner So yeah, I guess it's pretty normal Yeah, it's not like they're living next to you and have Steven Hawking's role Yeah, exactly what the fuck yeah, exactly Yeah, okay fair enough fair enough Um either way the whole thing like the fact that the fact that this ever came to light If you really think about it is crazy The fact that we know what we know is almost shocking Well, don't forget he had been arrested Oh, he had been arrested So how does that go down if he's like Well, didn't a bunch of girls come forward and say like How hard is that to fucking bury this what I'm saying is this Matt if the Government really is responsible for Jeffrey Epstein.

Yeah, how did he ever get caught? People came forward I mean listen just hear me out for a sec in the thing you're playing out They just kill every girl after they leave Epstein Island Um Because I get the argument I get there's the argument that like just hear me Let's say they're going to Romania and they're picking up kids right these kids are disappeared No one's ever gonna find nobody's so their first off I guess it's Epstein Island for a bunch of weird rich fucking people and then after that It's like now they're just working out like regular shitty whore houses in the cities I guess you know, I mean servicing weird people Because like I assume the sex operation continues on like there It's not just a one use and then you let them back into the world and hope they don't tell anyone Again, I've never played out like how sex trafficking works. It's not something that's often talked about Like think about it before Jeffrey Epstein. It was one of those things where you It was like an Alex Jones conspiracy like they're taking kids You know, I mean you heard about like abductions, but you never thought like oh, they're just going into europe and taking like hundreds of kids a year And well, that's where everyone's their name comes.

Erica Kirk. Yeah It all comes full circle And I mean again when you do this whole like If you start tying it all together, there's a lot of Epstein Charlie Kirk like crossover When it comes to Erica and Trump and because Trump's all over the Epstein list And Donald Trump clearly used Charlie Kirk's death as like a I mean listen a guy like Charlie Kirk as charismatic as he was and doing what he did The far or the right Would be crazy not to have Either use that guy or made that guy, you know what I mean? Like it's too perfect for them to sway the youth Who are then going to vote for you once they're of age or who are just you know, making up their minds or whatever the fucking is Yeah, I don't know also But I'm a stretchy if he really did get my I mean both could still be true If you don't know if Charlie was like a Listen all I'm saying is I don't know it was happening. I don't know who Charlie Kirk I don't know who killed Charlie Kirk.

I'm almost certain it wasn't this Tyler person And I'm almost certain that we're never gonna find out because they have done there's been no autopsy There's been no death certificate. They flew his body out immediately. Yeah, they literally Bulldozed and paved over the crime scene the next night. Yeah, there's I don't want to get off Epstein though Because we were right in there.

Yeah, I was gonna say about cash Patel. Yeah, like this is a guy who Made his druthers Yeah off Demanding that we get the truth about the Epstein files Yeah, that's how he began. Yeah, that's how he gets in. Yeah, and doesn't do it That should be the number one signal to anybody who is a trump fan that you got a huge problem here Yeah, like I don't know about that other woman there panbondi Yeah, like I don't know if her whole deal was like exposed the Epstein files and then she got her position and stopped Doing that like I don't know.