EPISODE · Jun 8, 2026 · 2H 7M
Episode 397: The Leckie Protocol and All Things 5-MeO-DMT with Steve Rio
from The Entheogenic Evolution · host Martin W. Ball
The other month the world got to watch as Bryan Johnson live-streamed his 5-MeO-DMT experience with Enfold that made use of "The Leckie Protocol," which combines vaporized with injected 5-MeO. Steve Rio suggested we have another conversation about it given the widespread interest, and I was happy to have him join me back on the podcast. We had another great, lengthy conversation about the protocol and just jamming on the topic of 5-MeO-DMT in general. Also in this episode I've got a mini-interview with a student who completed my 5-MeO-DMT Integration Specialist Training course, Jay Monger. Jay provided this short interview to help promote the Fall Term of my course, which starts on Sept 9th. For more information about the course you can learn all about it at www.martinball.net/courses - enrollment is now open.
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The other month the world got to watch as Bryan Johnson live-streamed his 5-MeO-DMT experience with Enfold that made use of "The Leckie Protocol," which combines vaporized with injected 5-MeO. Steve Rio suggested we have another conversation about it given the widespread interest, and I was happy to have him join me back on the podcast. We had another great, lengthy conversation about the protocol and just jamming on the topic of 5-MeO-DMT in general. Also in this episode I've got a mini-interview with a student who completed my 5-MeO-DMT Integration Specialist Training course, Jay Monger. Jay provided this short interview to help promote the Fall Term of my course, which starts on Sept 9th. For more information about the course you can learn all about it at www.martinball.net/courses - enrollment is now open.
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