Episode 4: Ciarán Hodgers & Tina Sederholm

In this episode, I’m joined by two guests - acclaimed poets / creative practitioners Tina Sederholm and Ciarán Hodgers. We explore self-compassion, curiosity, and using kindness as a tool for overcoming challenges. Tina and Ciarán share highlights of their ‘Mourning Pages’ programme, and they share a few phrases that are gems of reminders for self care.    Below are links for some of the things that we discussed: Tina’s Substack: https://tinasederholm.substack.com/  Everything’s Working Out Poetically, 30 April 2026: https://oldfirestation.org.uk/whats-on/everythings-working-out-poetically-5/  Ciarán’s website: https://ciaranhodgers.sumupstore.com/  (follow Tina and Ciarán for updates on The Mourning Pages programme) Willow Defebaugh’s chat with Maggie Rogers: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3OUQhJKVFn2HwlLilv7CMZ?si=ae2a1f93282748b3  Mary Oliver: www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-oliver  Julia Cameron (The Artist’s Way / Morning Pages): https://juliacameronlive.com/  Tap with Brad: www.youtube.com/tapwithbrad  David Whyte: https://davidwhyte.com/  Rose’s website: www.rosecondo.net  Rose’s website artwork is by Niamh Wood: www.etsy.com/shop/LittleBadgerArts  Have A Kind Word With Yourself podcast music was composed and recorded by Eleonora Rosca: www.instagram.com/eleonorarosca