Episode 4- Conner Habib On Leaving the State Behind and Finding Where Our Power Truly Lies

In this episode, Shuli talks with Conner Habib, author of the novel Hawk Mountain and host of the podcast Against Everyone with Conner Habib. The discussion goes into many different places, with certan themes about the connection between relationships and politics running throughout. We start this discussion talking about "breaking up with the state," an idea Conner discussed on a couple of his podcast episodes and that was influential in Shuli's thinking about the crossover of relationships and politics. The conversation uses both personal and political perspectives to think about the dynamics of the failing state, its fascist grasps at power, what protest can do, how we respond to harm and conflict, and more. Hope you like it! You can find Conner and his podcast at: patreon.com/connerhabib You can buy Hawk Mountain here: https://bookshop.org/a/4714/9781324064862