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EPISODE · Mar 9, 2026 · 31 MIN

Episode 4: Eating with Sinners

from So, What About Us? · host Steven Clark, Ben Phillips, Travis Brown

Jesus walks past a tax booth, calls a corrupt man by name, and ends up at his dinner table surrounded by people everyone else had written off. In episode 4, Pastors Steven, Ben, and Travis dig into the calling of Levi — what it actually cost him to walk away, why Jesus didn't bother explaining the benefits package, and what it means that the "sinners" in this story were comfortable enough to show up for dinner. They also wrestle with some of Jesus's most confusing imagery: new cloth, old garments, new wine, old wineskins. What's he really saying to people who keep living like the promises haven't been fulfilled? And what does that look like in our own lives?

Jesus walks past a tax booth, calls a corrupt man by name, and ends up at his dinner table surrounded by people everyone else had written off. In episode 4, Pastors Steven, Ben, and Travis dig into the calling of Levi — what it actually cost him to walk away, why Jesus didn't bother explaining the benefits package, and what it means that the "sinners" in this story were comfortable enough to show up for dinner. They also wrestle with some of Jesus's most confusing imagery: new cloth, old garments, new wine, old wineskins. What's he really saying to people who keep living like the promises haven't been fulfilled? And what does that look like in our own lives?

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