Okay, episode four is in the books. Sorry for posting this so late. I'm at the post this last week But I got busy with work and all sorts of other stuff. I get my house ready for a baby shower for our lovely friend Kelly Congratulations, whoo hoo Today's special guest is Joe King and it's special because it's largely because of him that I was inspired to do a podcast in the first place He had a podcast called the video game book club Which is sadly no longer and he had me on as a guest and I was super nervous I drank like six beers in like a span of an hour and I was just nervous rec.
I can't believe I even got through it But basically I loved his podcast so much and I was like man I want to do that and so here we are but it's also special because he had just moved to Texas to work in the video game industry And as all you know video games are sort of a hobby of mine. He went to go work for gearbox Yeah, the guys who made Borderlands and Borderlands 2 so in this episode We talk about really his quite inspiring journey on how he got to work for gearbox and how they said hey come move to Texas And he's like okay, I'm just fucking go and he did it's awesome. It's a great story and I'm excited to share it with you guys So here's Joe King Doing it live doing live do it live Exist and Mike put this dick in my face real quick Welcome to another episode of the video game book It's I guess It's it's a it's a special episode of the video game book. This is very very detached episode We should have done I've actually I've only met like do you like twice maybe that's enough We don't need anymore.
I love that guy. I'm hoping I get to see him all rent down Have you seen him since you've been at home? No, not yet not yet I sent a text and invited him to go with us tomorrow to watch the hockey stuff downtown and he's like well It's my girlfriend's birthday, so I don't know. We'll see which is totally understandable.
Yeah, I got that bro both married We understand but yes, I don't know I hope I get the same though. I'm gonna do everything I can to see him That's for sure Well, when was it okay, so I asked you this before what was your last episode of the video game book Club? I can't remember what month it was. I think it was like We moved it.
I moved to Texas We basically made this Texas in March and it was probably like last April maybe or something like that I don't know I'd have to look at the feed because the episode will be dated I guess like it was something like that it was like less spring sometime. It was pretty we had lived in Texas all along before we did that Yeah, so I understand like you moving to like like Dallas kind of because I'm asking this because I really enjoyed your podcast Yeah, and your podcast when I was on it like open my whole world. Yeah to like podcast I imagine that podcast I was actually listening to that a while back So it was your podcast that kind of inspired me to like be confident enough to like to have my own setup and it's fun Yeah, so it's really a couple years later here. I am and here you are in mine So this is pretty cool.
Thank you for doing this coming full circle. Yeah, it's come full circle, but um, so obviously you couldn't have done it Being a difficult you being living in a different state and do you living in out here? Did you guys at least try to do like the plan thing the plan was going to be to do that originally like originally the plan was gonna Be that I would move to Texas and once I got my setup once I got all my stuff there My setup rebuilt and all that we would just do it remotely and just continue on as normal But then I felt weird doing it because like the the idea of the podcast was that we were talking about games from like From the perspective of just gamers, right and consumers Yeah, consumers and of course the reason that I moved to Texas was to like join the industry So like it felt weird to it felt weird and disingenuous to me to be sort of like speaking about games from one angle as if I didn't have this other angle kind of like tucked in my back pocket It's just like felt weird and I was kind of like didn't know how to balance it Yeah, and at first like I told you gee I was like yeah, here's the thing and he kind of like had this he kind of had this sort of like I don't want to say this attitude Like he had this like feeling of like I kind of saw this kind of dude You know like okay here we go and then but then when I explained to him like where I was coming from why you know It wasn't just like oh man, you know, it was like yeah, but here's the reason I'm gonna break up He's like okay, dude. He's like actually that makes a lot of sense So he was totally supportive of that and you know it I kind of hated that we had you know That it kind of had to go that way, but I just felt like it did you know I mean well, yeah, well, you had that huge opportunity present itself Yeah, and I have to ask so for our listeners from my hundred thousand listeners This is the most top rated podcast on iTunes if you didn't know But I'm like I'm still like keeping up with the podcast But I want you because you you have a job that is a dream job for me and like To be able to work in a place like like your box or it seems like a very like Google esque kind of company the building You walk in there's all these crazy kind of a little bit a little bit like really cool I don't know what thing is fear one thing we do have it suspicious or we don't have it is suspiciously missing from our Office is a slide, right?
Why don't you have a slide? Yeah, I'm like hang on hang on hang on we have this using my quote fingers for the listeners This epic staircase that goes from the fifth floor to the fourth floor and it's really great And for the battleborn fans out there There are there's a big statue of Montana from battleborn on this epic staircase Which makes it even more epic and there's like a big gearbox logo there and it's really cool But I'm kind of like the epic staircase is great and I love it But what about like an epic swirly side, you know like when can we get or a fire pole? Yeah, our fire pole would be great. It's probably like a liability thing You know too many people in so I can work out in the gym and sign a waiver But I can't jump from floor to floor wearing some crazy moon moves Can I just sign a waiver for the moon?
I mean a fire pole is you know like when you want to have a fire pole in your mansion? You're a theoretical mansion a fire pole has always been mine at least a fire pole and a lazy river underneath my hall man a lazy River would be so good. That would be so good. Wow.
Yeah, so many ideas And it'd be a glass over the lazy river so that I can hit a button in the glass would receive you could either walk across or I can feel like Swimming in the kitchen and have fun. Yeah, so back to my original Question though our question though. I went like I like tell me the journey of like getting that job because I know There's a lot of people out there including myself. I wanted to like somehow I don't know be it like a gaming journalist or something I'm not the greatest writer, but I wanted to do something with you being involved in some involved in some way That's I mean, that's pretty much where I was and I was working at this warehouse here in Nashville and It was just miserable, you know and I remember having a I it was like the summers you Sweated your ass off and then in the winter you froze your ass off because like it's not a climate controlled environment Which is really funny you will realize this but it's really funny because we had like drums and percussion equipment in this environment That was like changing temperature and I'm like hang on a second Check the science doesn't make sense, you know, right?
But whatever your whatever it doesn't matter my opinion. It made sense that there's obviously like an overhead to that sort of thing So whatever I didn't really care that much anyway, but I'm working at this At this warehouse and it was miserable and I remember having this conversation with a buddy of mine there And you know, you know, we were kind of commiserating with each other about how miserable we were and he was like Well, you know, the classic question right when it comes to your career path like if you could do anything in the world What would you do and you know, I said something like oh well, I'd work for video game studio I think that'd be really fun, you know, like work for a video game company doing, you know, like community type stuff would be really cool And he was like and he gave me like the classic the classic kind of shut down answer of oh, yeah, man But that's like too hard. That's too competitive or you could never do that and he wasn't trying to shit on my dream or anything It was just saying it's because it's true, you know, and he was just saying like oh, that's too hard That's almost like it's almost like saying I'm gonna be a rock star. Yeah, it's like all I want to be in a big band and play and tour That's that's kind of not that hard to do in a sense when you think about it.
It's just a lot of hard work You know, I mean like it's doable It's just not easy and so I kind of was like, you know, maybe he's right whatever and then It wasn't long after that that I just saw on Facebook that your box had posted like a Thing that said hey, we're looking for community manager and my thought was hey, I could do that And of course I look back on it now I'm just kind of like patting past me on the head like you're adorable like I had no like little like brand new babe You know has no idea what exactly is a community manager for also so the layman well so right now to answer question a community managers basically It's it depends on what studio like where you're at like what your studio like different studios, you know Do different things with their community people for example like what we do is I? I now do I have moved from like a marketing side of things more to like a production side Which is really cool because I actually now get to be like boots on the ground with our development teams as people are reporting issues I work closely with our support team and our development teams to like coordinate communication regarding these in game issues And just any sort of things like that and then help coordinate the fixing of that so like hey someone found this thing Are we aware of that? Yes, we are what's the deal? Oh, it's actually been fixed in the next update or you know We're looking into it We're about you know and I can then take that back to the community and message that out and say hey guys Here's the deal working on this that's basically what it is and there are a lot of other things that I'm kind of doing and working on But it's really cool But it was just funny because I saw that job posting and I was sort of like oh I could do that That's easy, you know and I didn't and I admittedly at the time even I knew I was like I'm not really sure What that job is like I'm not really sure how to do that But I'm a big fan of Borderlands and I'm a big fan of your box and I feel like I can do that you know And then I kind of literally just sort of just sort of started learning What it like what that sort of thing demands and the more I learned about it the more I realized like yeah, you know This is this is me.
This is for me. I could do this, you know and so at the same time I went ahead and I applied for it and I went home that day and I think I even I think I even sent a text to Anna's brother my brother-in-law who's who's in the industry and He's a composer right no, he's a he's a I believe he's an environment artist or he's an art lead of some time Okay, that's right. He works on like Call of Duty and Bioshock Infinite right so so I send him a text and I'm like hey just so you know I'm gonna be sending you this tonight I'm gonna go home and shore this resume up and I'm gonna send it to you know read it over and find the typos and all that stuff Let me know what you think right He's like yeah, yeah, cool man. That sounds great.
Send it to me So I went home and I kind of updated my resume and then send it to him And he sent me back this kind of long email like a couple of paragraphs long Which for a guy that had you know two very very young daughters at the time, you know baby life is crazy And I don't have time to do anything but baby stuff, but I do have time to sit down and write you this email I was like what's wrong? You know like yeah, that's kind of he has a lot of notes. He has a lot of notes Well, his basic note was don't send them this And I'm like was that like the last sentence? Yeah kind of it was like don't send them this he's like you don't he's like here's the thing He's like you don't have any experience in this field.
You don't have any industry experience You know you're you have a good reason for doing this like you're on the right track But your your angle is is weird in that you're just a you're just a big fan that knows you can do this and that's enough But it's not enough to just send that along with the vanilla word doc of you know Hey guys, I can breathe and blink like yeah, you know, that's not enough So I immediately knew what he meant and so I went back into I actually went into Photoshop and I redesigned my resume with like borderlands and Gearbox branding and I don't know if I ever showed you the photos I've been showing you that You may have one I think was your last day before you left maybe so but at any rate I Readed that in Photoshop. I went to the craft store and I bought like this wooden box And I painted it like a treasure. We know the red chess and borderlands like open up in the guns and stuff in there I painted it to look like that and I did the the it's not technically cell shading. It is concept art style artwork on it technically But I but I did some like concept art style shading and things like that on it and it was really cool And I'm like iterating on this thing and I'm working really hard I think I worked on that box for like three weeks and I'm iterating really hard and I got to the end of it And I was like all right the last thing that this needs is I'm gonna put a light in the box I'm gonna wire an orange light into it because it's it's like the orange weapons and items and borderlands or legendaries, right?
I want to know I'm legendary Really genius. Yeah, I mean I started like doing the blueprint my brain for that. I was like wait a minute hang on hang on I'm about to put a box with some wires in a battery in the mail to gearbox That could go that could be weird on a number of levels. So I thought okay I will get game development from what I've learned so far in my very, you know limited experience is about Iteration and editing yourself, right?
It's just like writing. It's just like minute like music It's just like many other things like you come up with the best most grandiose idea You can and then edit from the new start chopping things off cut features We called it right okay, so the legendary light in the resume box was a major cut feature But I put the whole thing together and I shipped it off I had like I had put a thing in the top where I had like I had clapped wrap in the top of it And it was this note that I had written as clapped wrap that was like hey gearbox weird buds me and this guy Joe Our co-op buddies or whatever you guys should hang out. That was sort of the premise right it was like hey I have an introduction from vclap trap, you know, you should look this resume over so I pack all that up and I was really proud of it I was nervous but excited and I send it off and I gave it like a week And then I just called the number I just do like your box software phone number It turns out that's a thing you can do it's there our number and it's just out there in the open there So I was like oh wow that was easy, okay, so I called the number and I talked to receptionist and I just told her my name I told her I was and said hey, yeah, you know, I sent you guys a Red chest resume in the mail. I'm not like looking for an answer anything like that from you I know that's not your deal I just wanted to make sure it arrived okay I just want to make sure you guys received it and it was it was okay, you know and her response was oh that was you I was like yeah, I was me good sign and she's like that was really cool and I was like Even that's great that like even the reception and yeah I was about it because I was one of my goals like and his brother and I talked and he was like look if you can Do something really cool that has like the other people in the studio like talking about it and they think like oh hey Did you see this thing that person sent in or oh hey, whatever that's that's good, you know and so apparently that worked So she said she's kind of like okay, so look I'm not trying to blow you off right now But I'm gonna have our HR department call you back.
I'm gonna get your info I'm gonna have them call you back is that cool and I was like yeah absolutely Get in my info and then the next day at like 330 on the dot they tried apartment called and they were just kind of like hey So what's up? What's your deal man? You know, I don't know I'm just some dude whatever, you know, I don't know That sounds cool. All right, so we talked I talked to HR for a few minutes.
I went really well and and And then they were like well, we'd like to schedule a call with our marketing department is that cool and I'm like yeah So she's like all right great date and time here again I'm like all right cool so I called and talked to the marketing department of many people that I still work with now and That went well and they seemed to like me and I like them and they're like are cool And I guess a few days or a week or two went by and then I got an email and it's like hey How would you like to fly to Dallas and I was like yeah, you know, I don't know what you know what you know and Yeah, and I was like yeah, of course that'd be amazing So then at that point I decided like if it all goes to hell now like totally good like I do not This is totally fine cuz like a couple weeks ago I would not have imagined that I would have even gotten this far like this is insane. So I flew down to Dallas and this was in the old office. We're in a new office now, but When in you know one of the office and they show me around it was really cool And I had several meetings that day and then the marketing team took me out to lunch and while we're at lunch a couple of The guys were talking I heard him. I heard one side of the other What time do we have to be back for the hot seat and I'm like oh and I must have noticed me sort of like huh?
What yeah, I'm like oh yeah, did anyone talk about the hot seat? I'm like no and they go well the hot seat is the part of the interview where We basically sit you down and everyone in the studio everyone in the whole company is invited Oh my god, whoever decides to show up can just ask you anything they want and I'm like oh my gosh I was freaking out. I'm nervous for you I was freaking out because I was freaking out because I'm imagining like the stage with like a like a stool and big Gilded red curtains and this gigantic like 2000 seat auditorium and every it's full and people are just like What do you think you need both? You don't have no beaches just working for Gerobooks, you know whatever and I'm like I don't know either I gotta go Where's the bathroom what makes you better than my brother?
I don't know Whatever so so but it was funny because it turned out we got back to the office and it's actually like a really casual thing And it was in the same conference room that we'd been meeting in and it was basically the same people I'd been meeting with all day and then there were a few extras and you know they they came in and like we you know They basically just asked me questions like you know star wars or star track What's your favorite ninja turtle stuff like that? You know and then they asked me some other questions too But it was really more like the design of it is more to just sort of get a feel for like who I am yeah Your personality makes you not crazy or you know like or make sure you're the right kind of crazy Yeah, I don't know. I'm not saying I'm just saying so so that went really well And it was cool and then like I went back to the airport and I get on the plane and I'm feeling really good You know and I get on the plane and I sit down and then I'm immediately like oh fuck like why did I say this? Why did I say that what was I think and then I immediately start picking it all?
Yeah, just torturing myself which of course was ridiculous, you know like it went fine and whatever And then so I kind of bugged them for like a month or so after that and I was like so any news so any news what do you think? You know and then it was kind of like oh check back in in a week check back in in a week whatever and then finally About a month later. They were kind of like yeah, here's the thing like we decided to go somebody else um, but Sorry cool. Nice to meet you.
I was like, uh, I was like really kind of kind of cool. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Even though I did say before I was like if it goes to hell it's fine whatever and it kind of did for the moment But I was bummed but it was like whatever so then Like a day or two later, um the guy that is now my boss emailed me and he goes he was kind of like, hey man You know like yeah, we decided to go this other direction with that position whatever but you know You seem like a pretty cool dude and what you know what if we offered you a contract position doing You know some things for the forums and the community and stuff like that and I was like really like yeah That's amazing You know and that is cool because you know if you're trying to get into the game industry That's a good way to do it is find like a contract position Right and lots of people do that in gearbox is great about that like we have a whole program called cogs and it's a acronym I forget what the acronym stands for but it's basically You know we'll bring in people that are just kind of getting their start and gearbox is really great about you know Helping to foster their passion and helping them learn at you know It's like on the job learning and then you know, it might turn into full time and it might not but either way you still got some experience You know kind of get your foot in the door, which is really cool. So anyway long story short Uh that went on that contract stuff went on for you know about a year and a half and And then in January of 2016 I guess they called up and they were like hey, can you fly to Dallas tomorrow?
I was like sure what's up? And they're like well, you know, uh, we've been we've actually been working on this for a few months now Some restructuring and some moving some things around and we're ready to kind of like do this So like are you good and I'm like, um, yeah cool So I flew to Dallas next day and then I basically went through the whole interview process again at the new office So I was like I've been to the old office The previous time and I was like, oh my god, i'm a gearbox. This place amazing Yeah, and then I went to the new office and i'm like that place was a fucking dunk It was like the new office is like amazing, you know, and I was just like, what you know like blown away And then um, so yeah, I went through the whole thing again and I actually I don't know how I mean I have no idea if this is applicable to anyone else at gearbox, but i'm probably one of a very few people that actually had two hot seats So we so we did the hot seat again, do they need to call it the hot seat can they call it like the gilded gen now? We just have it's not a hot seat.
It was just kind of like hey jose here if you guys want to come say hey Hey, buddy So uh, so that was cool, you know, and i was still a little bit nervous about it But it was much more of kind of like a it wasn't as much like a we don't know if we want you to do this It was kind of more like are the pieces going to fall into place for this to happen, you know? And uh, and they did so that's kind of basically it and then they were like, yeah, okay, we're good Offer good accepted. All right, come move here. Okay.
See you in a couple weeks, you know, man We did and I mean you may remember I mean I was down there for like five weeks while anastate here and try to dog and then try to house this whole thing so It's been really weird even from like a just a personal like adult thing standpoint of Uh, oh, this is how you move to a new city for a job. Oh, this is how you like I've never done that before, you know Yeah, I mean my 30s now and I'd never really left Nashville, you know, certainly not to live, you know, so it was just really weird of like Oh, we have to find movers and we have to figure out all these things. It was just it was really strange, but it was really cool Like I obviously have no regrets like it was it's been an incredible. It's been an incredible ride, you know I mean that's such a that's such a great story and such an inspiring story too.
It all started from here You were just like I can do this. Yeah, I mean I can do this and then you just went for it I think you ask anybody I feel pretty safe I mean I can tell you for a fact that I have seen a lot of people give a lot of other people advice and how to get in the game industry And the best advice that you can get is once you set your mind to something like I want to be a level designer I want to be a producer. I want to be a writer a unity manager a writer a composer anything Once you set your mind to that do not deviate and don't ever give up on it and just keep grinding and keep pushing That's like that is the that's the key. It sounds so cliche, but it sounds so true though reason because it's so true and people are always like I'm after my dream job, but then for a lot of people it's like their dream job is like It turns out their dream job is actually just kind of like similar ass all day, you know, I mean Like and I think that's true for all of us to an extent But like your dream job is never easy, you know, like don't don't expect to get your dream job and then you're like, uh, okay I can relax and relax and coast because that's a great way to lose your dream life.
Yeah, your dream job and dream life mixed Yeah, so that's that's always my biggest advice and advice I hear from people is just like don't ever give up grind and always like always be working Hard to be better, you know, yeah Like once once you do finally get in because if you're working hard enough and you and you do have to get lucky Like there needs to be some luck in there too for sure But just be smart think out the box Work really really hard and then once you get there just keep learning and try to be better and try to you know expand your skillset Yeah, I mean, but that story is so inspiring to people like me Because especially when you're going through like a transitional period like I am right now because like you know Five times was going really well for a while and then it started not to and then you know, because it's the music industry and as it does Kind of suck, you know, it sucks sometimes It's funny for me coming from the music industry into the game industry because it's it's similar in a lot of ways, you know, it's like I mean I hear all the time just like these unfortunate stories of like, you know Even friends of mine in the industry that are like getting laid off or you know, let go for downsizing things like that and that's it's really happens, you know, and um Yeah, it's similar. It's really similar. It's pretty funny I felt like even at the beginning that my experience in the game industry would really serve in the music industry would really serve me well in the game industry And it has like it's it's it's very I think it's really softened the The blow of like, oh wow, what is this like, you know, it's kind of like I have a point of reference for a lot of different things because of that Yeah, well, because you're very you're very people oriented like you do very well when talking to someone. Yeah, you're a very Social butterfly.
I run my mouth a lot I we were able to get along with you're able to get along with anybody you meet and that's a special quality because there's some people out there that Just try to they like they have like stone face if like I don't like this person. Yeah, I don't like this person. Yeah, um, you know It's uh, yeah, it definitely helps to in my line of work to be a people person. That's for sure.
Yeah, that's important And you coming from the music industry, you know, you kind of have to be a people person Sort of yeah, yeah, into an extent if you want to keep fans you can't just be like Well, unless you're like a super rock star like you're saying like, you know, you gotta shoot it at that point You're just like whatever. Yeah, whatever kid. But until you get to that point you gotta be you know, personable You gotta be socially you gotta be like thanks come to the show, you know, I learned a really weird lesson pretty pretty soon after I came on full-time at your box and that was When you're like sometimes people come on a gearbox and I've noticed like like because sometimes we'll set things out in the kitchens and whatever to have fans Have signed for fans, right? Like some of my contacts and say hey my friend is really sick and he's a big Borderlands fan Could you send me something and then it's like yeah, of course hell yeah And then we set things out and then you know People may come behind sign those and sometimes sometimes newer people feel weird about that because they're like, um, well I didn't work on Borderlands, you know, so I feel weird signing this copy of the board of the game for this fan because I didn't work on this Right, um and I and I felt like again my music industry Experience sort of taught me that like when you're and I told this to one of our one of my coworkers once when when she was pretty new and I said You don't it's like joining a band like it doesn't matter if you wrote the songs like you inherit the catalog, right?
You're part of this team right now like you're part of the history now Um And one time I walked out of the office at the end of the day And I think I'd worked a little bit late that day and I walk out of the office and this kid walked out of the coffee shop Because because down in the office at your box We have a coffee shop in a restaurant on the first level and then and then on the second level There's a bunch of other businesses and then three four and five at your box And so I came down and I'm walking out and as I'm walking out of the office this kid is walking out of the coffee shop And he said to me hey, I just wanted to tell you I really love Borderlands and I wanted to say thank you And I said to him And my desire to be humble and honest I said something like oh well, you know, that wasn't me man You know that was a bunch of these other great people but you know, yeah And and I remember he had this and it was just a split second But he had this look on his face like a little bit kind of defeated like disappointed You know what I mean? He's kind of like oh, okay And I and I realized immediately that it wasn't that like he wasn't impressed that this guy didn't work on Borderlands It's that I kind of like shot him down and like he like he was having this moment with me You know what I mean? I'm like this thing that the company you work you work for meant a lot to me It meant something to me and I'm thanking you for it and then I'm like oh, you're thanking the wrong guy man That wasn't me, you know, and then I sort of walked away from that And I immediately realized like I should have just said you're welcome. Yeah, that would just I should just say man Thank you for playing, you know, like so that that's one of those things like to your point like yeah It definitely helps to be a people person that helps to be you know I feel like self-aware in a way of situations like that where it's like, you know You're gonna be always constantly learning lessons as you go And just even throughout life in different ways And I feel like it's important to really learn from things like that and like, you know improve on that because it's like yeah Even at that moment I consider myself a people person, but then it was like When it came to really be your people person.
I blew it, you know, your musician instinct like can that came? Yeah, and like I said, I was just trying to be humble and honest with her I didn't want to take credit for something that I didn't do but then it later occurred to me quickly that it was like Well, yeah, but again like once once you sort of like once you start to represent that to someone you own it, you know, so just like just own it You know, it's okay. It's like someone thinking Robin and then Robin said it wasn't me. It was bad man It's a guy that saved you man, but if you want to go out But now she kind of was I don't know.
That's weird. That's a weird analogy. That's a weird analogy Okay, dude. I was actually I looked on your Facebook today I was like I gotta see if there's anything that I need to talk about this podcast and the first thing I saw The first thing I saw was this cake that the gearbox guys or someone had given you or given somebody a cake And it said girls gone wild never forget what the hell is that all about?
So every every Wednesday gearbox is cake day, right? So like uh and it could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on who's diet you ask For me, it's a very good thing and I embrace cake day, but uh everyone's a cake day and so at about three o'clock Someone from our ops team will sit on an email and say hey, there's cake, you know, like the old Jim Gaffigan joke It's Bob's birthday. I hate that guy. It's taking the conference room I should go say hello So it's kind of one of those things like hey, there's cake in the kitchen on fog or whatever come and get it ding ding ding ding and then um One of our receptionists just has this really great sense of humor and she's hilarious and she comes up and stuff like that So like she came up with uh girls going wild never forget and it has like a eagle and an American flag on it The same day there was like some weird like happy birthday mr.
T and like someone else oh so it's just random It's not just you guys don't have like girls gone wild Saturday You know and then like her emails are really long like she comes up with it's almost like cake day lore I like the call you know and she's like here's the reason this was happening to you And then these birthdays thank these people for this thing. I mean, it's brilliant. It's hilarious and it's little things like that That just always keeps things fresh and you know keep the job fun because you know you kind of hit these moments where you're like Oh, man, you know, I'm so like mentally tired or like, you know, whatever and then you remember it's like oh, yeah, but they're gonna give us cake today And it's gonna probably be hilarious, you know, and you're like I can keep going, you know It's little things like that they're fun, but she I think she got a cookie cake once that had like A penguin on it and it said happy Thanksgiving or something like that. Yeah, it's pretty great Funny oh my god.
What is your life? You're at your job. Yeah, it's insane. It's weird.
It's definitely weird It's hard. It's like man because I remember when you were working at uh, where is that that that drum company? What was mine? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I was like, hey, man, you're a drummer.
You want to do this? No, thanks And they're like come on man. I'm like screw you dude. You know like not worth it.
Well, yeah Yeah, it's just it's like I said, it's everybody has those jobs that are just they're just they just suck, you know, like it happens to everybody But the important thing is like what's happening in your head about okay? Well, I have this this uh unpleasant situation right now But what am I doing to get myself out of it? Even if it's long term, you know, I mean even if it's a couple years down the road or in my case Probably not possible, but hey man dream Always think about the next big thing is like, okay, you know, it's us humans. That's what we do Even if we climb the highest mountain, it's like, okay, where's the next mountain?
Yeah, yeah I think so and then sometimes like I even kind of have problems with that sort of thing We're like I'm looking too far into the future and I'm like thinking too much about it I'm working right now on just like being mindful and being like in the moment and worrying more about the present than the future, you know, right? That's something I'm really working on personally right now. Um, so like with your job like So it's so now that you're in the industry. Do you still do you have time to play games or is like do you have like this crazy?
Like eight hour days where you're like, it's like crunch period, you know, yeah, like I mean not I don't really have to get caught up in crunch because I'm not important enough frankly for that kind of thing like they don't care They're like you just don't sell yourself sure dad. Yeah, you just do your little thing over here You guys get back to work. Take us off for you, you know, I'm like you're like the new You're like the new kid. You're like, it's just you know, it's like the it's whatever but you're the new kid I'm there and so I don't care but um But uh, but yeah, I mean it's uh, it's it's it's funny because I'm totally lost my train to thought of what was the question again Like like do you have like do you have time to play video?
Yeah, right? Or is it now like a new schedule where it's like they'll call you in like hey, we have a problem? Yeah, really? Um, yeah, I play so my thing is like I have time to play games, but I'm always playing like the same game You know what I mean?
So like I'll go through periods or like like right now. It's obviously for me I'm a really big destiny fan and uh and so I played like I have max level one all three of my characters and I do the raids and all that stuff You know you love destiny. You would always talk about destiny. Yes.
I'll play destiny now or talk about different listening, right? You're all like what about fantasy? I love loop game, right? Like anything I can uh anything I can like collect and then compare and then min max stuff and all that like that's really what I'm into So like that's why I love destiny in Borderlands and things like that anything where there's like gear for me to collect like guns and things like that Disturbing is that sounds like that?
That's really my thing. So I love I love Luger shooters So yeah, I'm really big into destiny right now. I'm really high for destiny too Um, I did kind of take a break for a while a few months ago and I played ghost recon wildlands Oh, how was that? Is that like great?
I like it looks cool and fun. Yeah, it was a lot like it was kind of like far cry but it had um, but it's third person, right? But it came out first person. Well, so it's cool because it's third person but whenever you go to aim down sites, it switches the first person Right for me.
So I sort of like follow up. Yeah, let's go follow up guys. Um, so yeah, that that was always fun But uh, yeah, I like the lot like I think I think ghost recon wildlands overall it seemed like it got really good reviews For the most part I think it's not like there were some people that took issue with certain things about it But I mean all I know is I had fun playing it and it was anything that I can play where I get kind of obsessed is like fun for me Oh, yeah, and then and I was always like this shit again. Yeah, and I'm like what?
It's I enjoyed it. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Did you play? I mean you were a big fan of what's that other best the first person stealth game?
I was blanking. Oh dishonored. It's honored. It's honored too.
I played part of it and I got to go back and finish it I really liked because I heard complaints about that game I've heard complaints about that game being basically the same thing as dishonored one It seemed pretty similar, but I mean I never played either of them because I'm terrible at first person perspective When a lot of people are kind of after the destiny to reveal I've heard a lot of people say like it looks just like destiny one It looks like it looks like it should be an expansion instead of a new game Which first of all it's pretty early to be saying stuff like that in my opinion, but like I like that kind of I like familiarity I don't need it. I don't I'm gonna like I don't want to play dishonored one and then fall in love with those mechanics and that's that art style and that game And then played dishonored two and it's like oh, it's completely different like I think they change things in all the right ways I mean well if it works why fix it? Yeah, if it's not broke don't fix it and and and I think like in dishonored two's case personally like they gave you a second character a second playable character That was female, which is rad and and then this whole entire new world So it's like yeah, you had they brought back some similar powers and things like that But it wasn't like it was a carbon copy of dishonored one to me at least like I thought it was cool I need I keep meaning to go back and like play more than finish it because I love dishonored one so much that I've done so many playthroughs of it and I even I might have told you about this but I tried to do one of the ghost playthroughs once on xbox 360 to get the There were two achievements where if you could play a complete self playthrough and not be spotted that was an achievement And if you if you could not kill anyone the whole time while doing that that was a second achievement I was like that sounds pretty cool and I saw a series of videos on this guy and how he did it and I was like I have to recreate this because this looks like so much fun So I did it and I get to the end of the campaign and I finish and then one achievement pops and the other doesn't and I'm like Oh, you did tell me about this. Yeah, okay What the hell is it like I started going back through where you can see your stats for each level I start going back through and there's the level in the middle where you're having to make it across Collins bridge And I accidentally threw a guy And I remember it happening to you because what happened was I I choked this guy out and I'm carrying him over toward like the edge And then there was this little ledge like right off the edge of the bridge I'm like oh I can drop him right there.
That's perfect and I dropped him and it must have just been like A little bit too far of a drop for the game and the game registered that as a kill So I was like you gotta be kidding me with the whole game thinking And I just honestly didn't probably I had to do maybe was like go back and redo that level and not kill anybody this time But like I just didn't have the heart. I was like, no screw it. Did you play? Uh the one that got away?
Motherfucker Died too soon. Um, did you play uh doom the new dude? Yeah, I didn't mean to get that I didn't finish it, but see that's the thing too. I should note that like I am I have ADHD dripping out of my ears all the time You may have noticed it So I don't I rarely finish games like even if I love it like I just don't I just don't ever finish games because I'm moving I'm well actually I'm not moving on to the next thing I'm usually moving back to like destiny or borderlands or something like that Something that one of my mainstays, you know But yeah, I played that and I enjoyed it.
I didn't play a lot of it. It was awesome It was really awesome. I'm I'm gonna buy it fast. It was so good I want to buy it just for the music a lot of music is rad.
Did you see that video game award show where the the composer actually did a live performance? Yeah, I think I did I think I saw part of it. Yeah, I mean I was I was floored It was nuts. I was like this just man.
Oh the music is rad the music is rad and those guys is they're in Dallas Like they're they're right down the street kind of so we're so I have a couple I have a couple friends that actually used to work for your box and I work for id And I'm like so what's going on over there now? No, no, they can't tell me but I have to ask you know No, well, aren't they doing a quake next yeah? Yeah? Yeah, I think that's uh, I think that's getting close up I think it's like it's gonna be completely there's gonna be no campaign.
It's just gonna be completely online I don't know. I think so I think it's gonna be like just like old wait cuz I'll take it and have a day in the new yeah But I'm excited to play it. I've never PDP games for me are always weird because like I want to be better at them I'm just not really that great like I'm average. I'm okay But I want to be really good and I watch these YouTube videos where these guys like make it like easy and they're like oh yeah 360 no-scopes and such and I'm like, oh, why can I do that?
That's what pissed me off about playing old halo games Yeah, like playing online cuz that was when it first became like a thing you know console players finally were able to play online and being like PDP and stuff like that Plate man, I sucked compared to all these 12 year old kids Yeah, and it's just my confidence shut down It was like I'm nothing my biggest thing is like call of duty. I'd find these ways to like I would find videos that were like oh, you know Here's how you get a nuke and all that I'm like crazy, all right And then I would sort of emulate like play exactly on the map and where you know the area on the map that they were and I'm trying to like recreate this thing and then Sometimes I'd get it and I'd be like oh man, it's so close and then uh hopes dashed like I'm just horrible Like a sniper across the map like headshot. Oh great. Thanks guy.
I was working towards something here Yeah, I was working towards the dream you ruined it Yeah, I don't I don't play online very often for that reason because I just get to man I threw my controller so fucking much when I was playing old halo. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's so fucking mad Yeah, I think that's a good job of uh of like Putting incentives for people like me that might be Gravitating toward toward like pve content over pvp content and vice versa I think they did some good things there with like oh well if you like this gun or you like this item You can only get that by playing pvp. So you have to kind of give it a shot, you know I did I did that some and I think that was I think that was a really a really interesting thing And I mean other games have done it too.
It's not just destiny, but I thought that was good So what's the okay? So I have never played destiny because like I said, I'm terrible at first person shooter games But uh in halo. I was terrible halo to get I played a lot. Um, what was it like?
I heard something like people Yeah, you said earlier that People are complaining that the game looks too similar to destiny one like is that the only complaint is like I don't know is it in beta right now? Yeah, I think they have a beta Soon I haven't announced the date yet, but I'm really excited about that. But um, I've just yeah I just saw that they did a really cool like reveal stream like a reveal event really it's like a fair call stream like they streamed it But it was just this big event that they did a couple weeks ago and it was really cool and um Yeah, it's like that was just one of the things I thought I don't know I certainly haven't seen a lot of complaints about it because everyone's so hype like the destiny community itself is just so excited But like yeah, it's like so people were saying oh it looks like destiny one and I mean honestly I'm fine with that and I didn't think it looked just like destiny one like the game was gorgeous Like it's so clear that they've gone in and they've you know, they've taken a lot of feedback from the community It's interesting like working community and then also being in a community Right, I think that's like I think that's actually like a really important dynamic that some people miss sometimes is like If you want to if you want to work in community like be in a community You know so that you can see like, you know, you get a feel for like what dynamic is like What's it like when when a developer makes a change on their game and how it's when it's perceived positively versus negatively? What does that like how you know, like observing all those things is really interesting?
We live it like the gaming industry is in such a weird moment with you know the advent of social media Yeah, I guess every industry is now I mean every industry like someone has to say something about something and some sort of controversy is gonna happen if it Like Mass Effect for example like I don't know if I would have enjoyed the game any less or more if I had not heard about all the controversy That came out before I bought the game And you know it's stuff was like Final Fantasy when like Final Fantasy was going through its horrible development process Like and then when it was released and everyone like half the people hated it and half people loved it So it was just I would read stupidly would read all these forum posts about just people just trading bars with one another and it's like I'm just thinking to myself like what a crazy fucking time that we live in now Like it's just like it is really like these poor companies now have to have to like listen to Everybody and then like you know 20 years ago You just made the game and if people didn't like it you would hear it and like like I'm all coming mailbox for me I'll be like, oh, let's let's get the hate mail. Yes. Let's read I mean, it's just a day of hate now every day, you know, so it's hating on something This thing is that uh, it's not always that bad like there have been people that work that are like, oh man, I can do what you do, you know It's like there's too much negativity and things like that and it's like part of it, but it's not you know, it's not like Everything is negative like there's tons of there the positive The positive feedback like overall is always always the negative stuff, you know, I guess that's how you look at it too But it's always that negative comment that just like especially if you're involved in development of the game or if you're For coding or you know and you hear that one negative just like music. Yeah, just like Just like you know, I'm like you're always kind of like well I I couldn't do what you guys do because number one if I try to program anything this place would fall apart and we all die and blow up But yeah, that's the thing is like when you it's one thing to sort of be one of the people that's charged with helping to like drink from that fire hydrant Because you can't you can't please everybody and you can't even you can't even hear feedback from everybody It's not possible You know the key is to like the key is to know where and to whom to go to to get the most valuable feedback and to utilize You know, your influencers and people in your community to to know what's happening in a broader Sense, right and uh, yeah, that's my thing man I'm always kind of like it's one thing to be charged with being one of the people that is responsible to help in that process And then it's another thing to be the guy that like Rode the story or compose the music or did this thing, you know, and then it's like, oh man I hate that characters animations they suck and it's like to me.
That's nobody Oh, whatever, you know, that's one person's giving their opinion But I mean, hey, maybe the person that animated that character that really like affects them and bums them out, you know So like yeah, I'm with you like that's my thing I don't think I could be on the other side of it for that reason So is that what you do is you're basically just like feeding that what the community is saying to the development team? Like not stuff like that, you know, like oh, hey man, your animations suck this one. I know I'm obviously but I mean it'd be the uh being the fine to the development team like hey Specifically related to like technical in-game things, right? So like if someone like someone says hey, I was playing this mission in battleborn And I noticed this bug just wanted to let you guys know, you know And then I can take that to the team and say hey, is this something we're aware of and then they can say yeah it is, you know Next up they or whatever and I can kind of be the person that's like because you know our development teams They're busy developing, you know, they're busy They're they're all really great about staying involved and aware of what the community's doing But at the end of the day like it's people like me and other people at your box that handle these things That are the ones that are finding it and then taking it to them and filtering it too There's a lot of stuff that's like you see and people might be like, oh man, this the game glitched at which glitch is that's not even a real thing What does that mean?
But it's like taking the glitches and finding out is this an important thing that they need to know about that We need to figure out and sometimes it is sometimes it isn't but when it is that's what I do is I take that to them and we're like, hey, let's work this out, you know, that's part of it. So Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, believe me. I believe me.
I know means mean to make it sound like a slob. No, that was like, that's a good. That's a good man. I mean, that's great.
We have a community especially is amazing. We have, you know, just great fantastic people that are passionate about It's really cool to be a part of a team and a part of a group that's making something that people, you know, Draw inspiration from to name their children find a mate, marry someone, date someone. Like we get the craziest stories from people that are like, hey, I had a kid and I named it Roland, you know, because the tiny teen of the LC really affected me and we're like, what? You know, like, it's crazy.
It's just insane. I was gonna say something and I totally forgot what it was. Podcast over. Yeah, podcast over.
Damn. Yeah, dang it. What was I saying? Oh gosh, it was something important.
Oh, yeah, that's, you know, like, like, hooray for video games being art. That's what my buddy Keith said on the last podcast. It's like, he, uh, What he would do to show people who aren't into video games. He would show them, did you ever play a game called Journey?
Yeah, I never played it and he told me about it. Now I really want to play it. Yeah, it's really cool. And so that is my dog.
And that is definitely my name is barking. Silence. Silence. He's like, you never let me be the podcast, dad.
Yeah, Journey is cool and Journey is seems like that's one of those games that when people are having that discussion about our video games art, that's one of the ones they go to is Journey and they're like, what about this? Because it is pretty fantastic. Yeah, cool. And it's just like, I don't know, just like for us, you know, our generation, like we're cutting, you know, we're in when our 30s now.
And I went like, I wonder if the new generation will appreciate the kind of turmoil video games and gamers in general kind of went through back in the day. I don't think so at all. But I think that's natural, you know. I think in order to truly like understand something like that and respect it and get it by and large, you have to go under it.
You know, but there's gonna probably be a few that are like, oh, hey, I've kind of read up on this on this ish and yeah, this is crazy, man. Wow, respect, bro. But I don't know. I don't know.
I think, I mean, I see a lot of, I see a lot in like video game discussion and debate of like things like that. Like our video games are our video games. This are they that like, I don't know, I don't even know if I'm like, I don't feel like qualified even commenting on that because to me, it's just like about. Are you enjoying game and I'm having fun like that?
It's just so simple to me, right? But I mean, I know there are a lot of people that are really into the idea of and it's totally okay to be that really into the idea of having those discussions and trying to get to the bottom of those things. And I don't know, it's just not something I really think that much about. Yeah.
Especially with the things that I really do, I think it's really interesting to have those conversations. It's just not, it doesn't keep you up at night. It's crazy that video games now are going into these like really intense like social conversations about like women in video games and race or Far Cry 5, right? Like, have you seen this stuff?
No, I've had. You want to see any of the key yard or anything for Far Cry 5? No, man. What is what's going on?
I feel like we need to hit pause so you can just Google some shit right now. I don't have my phone is going to worry about it. Okay. So I'll tell you.
So like, don't worry. I'll do it. I'll post post. Do like, do like a post edit and be like, hey, so I'm back, right?
Oh my God. He was right. Far Cry 5, I think this is brilliant. And the idea across the industry that I'm seeing seems to be this is brilliant.
And if Ubisoft pulls this off, this could be like monumental in terms of political statements and video games. I hope I'm not overselling it there, but like, I feel like it's going to be really cool. Far Cry 5 is set in Montana. And you are basically like fighting against a cult.
Let's call it a cult. Okay. They've been using the word cult in their own marketing material, I think. So that's, that's their word cult.
But it's pretty interesting and it's pretty fucking relevant. Oh, okay. I'm okay. I'm intrigued.
You have me intrigued. It's interesting. But it's related to what we just want to talk about. Well, it's like, it just gets into the idea of, you know, like we said, these discussions we're having like, our video games are there's another one that's like, do do politics and social ideas and statements belong in video games?
Personally, I think, yes, I think anything you want to say belongs in your video game because it's no different than music or anything else. And I think that with Far Cry 5, Ubisoft is making a big statement. I am personally excited about it and I'm very excited to see how it goes and I will be playing that game day one without a doubt. I'm really excited.
I'm a Far Cry fan to be to be fair. Yeah. That's one of those games again. I love games like that.
Rock and collect things and things to do and it's all over the place. That's great. I'm really excited about Far Cry 5. It was pretty crazy.
You have color, be intrigued. I'm wow. So yeah, I can definitely sold it the perfect amount. I don't want to oversell it.
I don't know, man. I'm just all I can do is express my own personal excitement about it. You know, that's that's all I'm hoping to do. But it's going to be interesting.
You saw us always kind of. I remember playing the first Assassin's Creed game way back when like 2010 when the first game out. And I remember the end of that game and like seeing the stuff on the walls. You play the first one.
You ever beat it? Actually, I missed the first one. I started Assassin's Creed 2, but I played a shit out of Assassin's Creed 2. A lot of people either hated the first one or they were just kind of like, you know, it was just too much of this too hard or whatever.
They just never finished it. But if you finish the game and you go through the end boss and then it starts and then you go to the present day and then the very last scene. You're in the infirmary of this thing that you've been through the entire game. That Desmond's been through the entire game.
And he wakes up and he uses his special power to look at stuff at the walls. The Eagle Vision, he saw stuff on the walls and stuff. He went to the Lumenade and shit. And I was like, Lumenade!
Confirmed it's in the game. Oh my gosh. And it got me so excited for the next Assassin's Creed as Solomon. But Ubisoft is always kind of teetered on that.
We'll put a little social or political stuff in there. I think it's great. I think it's great. And they're going to do it again, man.
And in a big way. Didn't they kind of do with Watch Dogs 2 or Watch Dogs 1 in the whole conversation about like... Government surveillance. Government surveillance.
So they was reading an article the other day online somewhere talking about that. They said the same thing. They were like, Ubisoft has never been one shy away from this sort of thing. And here are some examples.
And that was like the thing they brought up to was Watch Dogs. I think I was Watch Dogs 1. They were talking about the government surveillance aspect, which was really cool. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. You have, man. I've never played a single Far Cry.
Oh man, you totally should. They're so good. Yeah, they're so good. I haven't played Far Cry 2.
Actually, that's supposed to be like a really classic Far Cry game. I think the first one I played might have been Far Cry 3. Yeah, I think it was Far Cry 3. You would also love Far Cry Blood Dragon.
Because it is like 80s test. Yeah, I remember seeing it as like over the top. Amazing. Like just so, so good.
Yeah, I like the Far Cry games a lot. I really do. They're good. I feel like Ubisoft gets like a love-hate relationship.
Like they make great games like Far Cry and then sometimes they'll like fall off the train and like come out with Assassin's Creed Unity and be totally fucked up. And then everyone hates Ubisoft again. And then they come back with Far Cry 4. And then everyone loves it.
And then... I mean, look again, I feel like I'm not really equipped to give the best commentary on those sorts of things. But what I can tell you is that in my experience, taking risks is encouraged. And sometimes those things work and sometimes they don't.
And it's just like anything else, it's like you can't not make a game or you can't not write a song or put out a record or do it painting or things like that because you're scared people might hate it. And that's funny coming from me. I'm now realizing in my internal dialogue because I've done that thousands of times. I'm sure we all have.
We all do. But it's one of those things that ultimately you got to give the shot. You know? Like hey man, it might work and it might not.
But I guess we're going to see. We're going to find out. I guess that's what I really liked about Final Fantasy XV. And it really divided the fanbase a little bit.
But it was different in that it wasn't such a heavy storyline. There wasn't a lot of dialogue really. But they really embraced the whole open world aspect that the Western gaming market really loves. Like market shows.
Those games sell the most. So they went that direction and did, I think a really good job making it kind of bringing out that open world aspect to it. But again, not a lot of Final Fantasy's were really that kind of open world game. And so that really divided the fanbase.
But they took the risk. And I'm glad they did. I personally really enjoyed XV. Well, you know this about me and people at work have found us out and they're always like what?
I've never played a Final Fantasy game. I think I played the demo for XV and I was just kind of like wait a minute. I'm a truck. What?
I'm a truck. You played the tech demo. Yeah, the tech demo. I was later told they were like someone told me they're like no no no no.
That's not anything like the game. That was a really confusing thing. It was really confusing. It was weird.
It was just, you know, I think when they came out with XIII and everyone hated that game. At least 75% of the fanbase hated that game. Oh yeah, really? Yeah.
And then they had the problem with Final Fantasy XIV, the online version, the online game. And then they had to basically scrap that entire game after it was released for like six months. They were like okay, scrap the game, re-release it for free. They had to completely redo it.
And then now it's become like one of the best MMOs out there. Oh cool. Yeah. And so they fixed that.
And so they just had a lot of big tumbles. Big tumbles rather. And like with XV I think they, you know, I think they did a great job. I think it was done.
It seems I've done well and everyone that I've talked to loved it. Yeah. And I mean, I've seen a lot of our, I've seen a couple of our Borderlands cosplayers online and they've done some really, really cool Final Fantasy XV cosplays that are pretty incredible. You know, that's like a whole other, I could talk, I could do a whole other podcast episode about cosplayers and how much that freaking blows me away.
I know. Actually, I was just talking to Aaron about that last night when we were all at dinner. Yeah. And because I'm trying to think of like what I can do for my next video.
And I'm not going to give too much away. But I'm thinking of a character that has a lot of fucking armor. And I try to find like maybe maybe some like cosplay shop like sells it, you know, but it's not a very common character. It's not like Mario or Sonic.
So, but it's, you just look at all these cosplayers and the amount of work that they go through to make these so real. You believe me? I know it's, it blows me away. It really blows me.
And every time I see him, I tell him, I'm like, you guys are nuts. Like in a good way. Like, this is crazy. So it's so, so cool.
You know, like, especially like the Borderlands cosplayers, they, many of them kind of have formed this community of their own called the border fam. And they're great. And man, there are some people in that group that are like wild. I mean, they are wild.
Dedicated. They are a dedicated bunch. They really are. They really are.
I mean, I, when I did that attack on Titan Video, I like, I was dying, being sitting in a, in a, in a chair getting makeup for two hours. Imagine what they had to go through. They do it on their own. You know.
And then they create these amazing things and then they just pack it in the car and I'm going to go to a show. So just to see my friends and where my cosplay and hang out. It's the coolest thing ever. Mad respect to all the fucking cosplayers out there.
Absolutely. Absolutely. You guys are dedicated bunch. And especially the gearbox related cosplayers.
Yes. We love you. Oh, well, I think, uh, how long have we talked? I don't know.
What time is it? Nine o'clock. Nine o'clock. Nine o'clock.
We're time stamping. We're time stamping ourselves here. I think I can't think of anything else. I don't have any other questions.
I just wanted to. I'm just, man, I'm just so happy for you. I know I said a million times before, but like just such an inspiring like story. Yeah.
I'm glad we're fine able to do this. Like, it's fun. Podcasting. Yeah, this has been fun.
And also thank you very much for like giving me the, you're the first like thing I've ever done in front of like a microphone for so long. Yeah. And I've always been a drummer. Yeah.
So because I've never been confident in my speaking voice. I'm obviously a terrible conversationalist. Well, the thing is like everyone hates their speaking voice. Like I feel like mine, I feel like right now I'm like, yeah, that's not cool.
Yeah, that's not cool. But when we, I hear this back and we're like, no, why did I talk? I should have just drawn pictures. I'm like, I sound like an idiot.
But this is like me doing this is kind of like a character being able to fix some flaws in my speaking. Listen back to these podcasts. Be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Say a sentence.
Say that. Say a sentence. Stop stumbling over your words. I just get really excited when I'm about to have a question and a thousand other questions go in my head.
So hopefully like after episode 50, I'll actually have a nice calm conversation. Episode 50 is kind of where it clicks and you're like, oh, that's what I'm supposed to be doing. I've only got like what like 47 46 episodes. Yeah.
Yeah. They're getting there. You're almost there, man. Get there.
I'll get there. I'll get there. Keep grinding. So you guys just wait.
Yeah. Just do you wait. Listen. Yeah, you just wait back in my day.
We know. Whatever. All right, man. Well, thanks for doing this.
We appreciate it. Yeah. Be like me later and put the check in the middle. Like, really?
I feel like I can hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Thanks guys for listening to the podcast. As always rate the podcast. Get me up there in the ranks.
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So I can't wait to record that. I'll see you guys next time.