Episode 427 - Fixing your Junk

Motorcycle Men. No, probably not, which would suck because we're going to miss out on some opposite colorful commentary. But hello, boys and girls, and welcome to the Motorcycle Men podcast. Let me time out real quick. What's that? Would you rather do tomorrow or something? Is that better for the whole? Tim and I are going to be on the road tomorrow.

Yeah, we're coming up to Jersey. We're coming up to Jersey tomorrow. Oh, so we should just do it live again. I don't know if we're going to have time. Yeah, we're not going to have time. Whatever. You don't want to hear nothing we have to say today. I don't. That's all right. That's all right. No, that's all right.

I interrupted your perfect intro. No, there is never a perfect intro. I told it. That was the perfect one, and I ruined it. That's all right. You can ruin it all you want because it's always ruined. So good morning, good evening, man. Morning, evening, afternoon. I told you. I said you fucked it up already. Hello, boys and girls, and welcome to the Motorcycle Man Podcast. This is episode 427, and we're here in the V-Twin Cafe in sunny downtown wherever USA. I'm Ted, your host.

And we are hanging out here in the corner booth in the V-Twin Cafe. Joining me, as always, is Brother Tim. You're sounding my way, man. I don't know why. And Chris isn't here, and we don't know if he's going to make it. So we'll see what happens. We've got some issues working out that we're trying to work out with Mom and all that. But we do have Justin. He's here. Hello, Justin. Hello. So how's everybody doing?

We're doing just wonderful. I have a story for everybody. Yeah, we're going to get to your story very shortly. Story time. Tim's story time. You won't like this one. How you been, Justin? You're up and about now, right? Up and about. You're all fixed. Just in time for the rain every day for the last few days in the foreseeable future. Oh, yeah. Wow, great. We've been getting just a ton of rain. That's what Chris was telling us the other day. He said it was raining like hell all the time. No joke, it's every day. That's not even an exaggeration. Really?

Yeah, since, like, last Thursday, when you looked at, like, the seven-day forecast, there was just rain every day. Wow. Was there a lot of flooding? No, because it's not, like, consistent like that. Like, it's cloudy and shitty all day. Right. And you'll get from, like, a light drizzle, you know, then you'll get, like, a downpour for whatever, a half hour, and it goes back to, like, a light drizzle, you know, and then you'll get, like, another downpour.

It's under some lightning. Yeah. Damn. You know, a couple flying cows. No, we haven't had that. Yeah, for us, the weather here in North Carolina, it's been a little bit of everything, but yesterday was the first time we've seen rain in, well, the other day, right? Two days ago, right? It was the first time we've seen rain. Oh, it was at night. We didn't even see it. It was at night. It was at night, but it's the first time we had rain in weeks, weeks. I've been able to get out on a bike finally. Have you been on a bike since you got the okay, Justin? Well, I didn't officially get the okay for the bike, so I asked him about it at my last appointment. Yeah.

And he told me that he would prefer that I wait a bit longer. I have an appointment in a week. So I'm going to broach the subject again. With me, my elbow, I was at the four and a half week, five week mark. And my last appointment, I was doing a physical therapy thing and they've beaten the crap out of me over there. Physical therapy, as they always do. And they told me they didn't want me to get on the bike for at least until week five or six. So, but for the past three weeks.

I've been moving furniture. I've been lifting a crap load of heavy stuff. Yeah, if you can do that, you can ride the bike. Yeah, and that's why I said, you know, look, my wife says, well, I thought you're not supposed to ride a motorcycle. I says, did I also send me enough to lift anything heavy? What have I been doing for the past two weeks? Right, so I did take the bike out, and it felt great. There's no problems whatsoever. But I have, although it's sore from time to time, and they said it's going to be sore for a while, I feel pretty much back to normal, so to speak. And I'm sure you do, too. I'm sure there's days where it feels sore, though, right?

yeah i mean so my biggest issue is not so much the strength anymore uh it's my mobility so like there's still certain motions that there's so because of like obviously the involvement in what had to be done to go put everything back together um i guess there's just a ton of scar tissue oh geez really yeah so i have to you know break all that up and um you know so with what hasn't obviously been broken up that becomes like very restrictive and sure yeah you know what i can and can't do so uh you know i would say like 99 of my day you know, I can do stuff and feel fairly normal and then all of a sudden I might find myself going to do like a thing here, a thing there and just being like, you know what I mean? It's like that gentle reminder that, you know. Now I don't know if it happens to you or you, Tim, but I could bust my ass a certain day, like you work really hard, you do stuff and whatever, and then the next day it doesn't bother you so much, but the day after that, like two days later, then you feel it. That's the way it is with me. I don't know if that happens. Mine's weird, like, I don't know. I've been like struggling to find like rhyme or reason. Like, there's times that...

I'll do stuff absolutely anticipating, like, oh, I'm going to feel that. And then I don't. And then, like, I'll have a day where I feel like I went, like, backwards for seemingly no reason. And I can't even be like, you know. So I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's, like, the scar tissue breaking up and so it's, like, painful for a day. Or, you know, if it's, like, the weather has an impact. Or if it's, like, the nerves that are, whatever you want to call them, reconnecting or regrowing or however that works. I'm not a doctor. But, you know, I mean, there's still, I mean, there's still parts that I don't have 100% of my nerves.

feeling the way that it would have used to have been. You know what I mean? Yeah. Do you have a limp now? Well, not... So my sciatica on my other side, if we're really going to dive into this. No, he's got that Fonty Walker. The Motorcycle Man medical show. I know. People are like, I'm fucking signing off. That means we'll actually talk about motorcycles in like an hour. Oh, wait. We haven't even gotten into it yet. This is the Motorcycle Man old fart show. Oh, yeah.

So I have sciatica on my, well, we'll call it my good side. But because of basically laying down that whole time. Oh, it got worse. Definitely. What seemingly would be my good side is now my not good side. So it's like funny. I go to physical therapy and they're like, your hip side is like fine. They're like, so I have like a sort of limp. But that limp is coming from the tightness in my right leg, not my left leg. Jesus, man.

But actually, honestly, being back to work is helping with that. Regaining strength and being active is obviously better than not. I'm definitely noticing it getting better. Tim, remember this thing you got me? I just I haven't used it yet and I just opened it and it's all moldy. There's green mold. Is it really? It's nasty. Wish I could show it to you. It's got green mold. I don't know. It's all watery like it melted. Oh my god. Wow. Oh god. Well that's going to go in the garbage. I'm sorry. Wow. Holy crap. Well so Justin so glad you're back to functioning somewhat normally.

We're definitely on the right track, for sure. That's good. That's good to hear. So, Tim. Talk to me, Tim. Talk to me, Tim. You know, Justin, after hearing Tim's story, you'll say yours was no big deal, right? I hope so. Yeah. So, Tim, what happened? Okay, if you remember, back in October last year, I had gone in for a, I had pain in my side, which turned out to be a goldstone, I mean, a kidney stone. So I had a kidney stone get lodged in my kidney.

So they said, well, it takes a couple weeks for it to come out. So we said, well, wait. A couple weeks go by, and it doesn't come out. So they said, well, this is what we can do. We can go in and take it out, or we can leave it. And then you just wait for it to come out. So I said, I'm going to just leave it because I don't want you going in there. So here it is. Eight months later, it didn't go down. It didn't come out.

So I had really bad pain last Tuesday, really bad. So I went to the emergency room. They took a picture of the stone. The stone increased in size. Originally it was three millimeters. Now it was six millimeters. Doubled in size. And stayed in the same place. So if I left it there, it just kept on growing. So they told me, well, we got to get it out. So the other day in, I went in to have that removed. Now let me tell you the story because this is going to give you chills. First, they tell you, make sure you get this urinary tract infection medicine first because you're going to need to take that.

So they have to go in from the front door, and they go up in there and they take out the piece. Either they laser it out or they pull it out. Mine was just the right size where they could pull it out. But they left a stent in there, which goes all the way from the kidney all the way into the bladder. Right? Which one was allowed to stay in there for a few days. And it had a string on it, which came out the end of my penis. At the end of his wings. Yeah, and then they taped it to my penis, the string, so it wouldn't get yanked.

Well, when you have this type of thing, now... That seems like a bad idea to start with. I know I'm not a doctor, but I feel like if I was, I'd be like, maybe that's not the move, but whatever. Anyway, so now I get home. Now I go through this. I get in the room, and they... I get pushed into the room. They gave me this stuff just before I went out. By the time I got to the surgical room, which was only maybe 30 feet away, I was out. Don't remember a thing. And then I wake up in the room when I'm done.

And I feel a pinch in my wiener, which is not comfortable. Anyway, but I'm still pretty much out of it. So 10 minutes after I wake up, they have me dressed and out of the hospital. They didn't let me sit there for long. So I get home, and now I feel like I have to pee. Now I have to pee through this hose and this thing. It's burning like a son of a bitch. Okay? And when you have to go with this thing in you...

You have to go immediately. There's no like, let me just cozy go off the bathroom. It's like it's saying, I'm going now. So I'm running to the bathroom every two seconds, try to get ready and go. And one time I went in so fast, I accidentally hit the string and pulled on it a little bit. And pulled it out like two inches. Then when I peed, blood was coming out. And a lot of everything was coming out. And then I was getting pain in my kidney. Horrible pain. I was afraid to pee. It was that bad.

And we're talking about a shot glass where the pee comes out. Not much. And this is happening just in every 20 minutes. I have to run to the bathroom and go pee. It was a fucking nightmare. I'm not kidding. This was going on all day and at night. I couldn't sleep with the shit. Couldn't get comfortable. And every time I had the same damn thing. And I called the hospital this morning. I mean, the place I had it done. And the doctor said, well, you're going to have to pull it all the way out now. I have to pull it out. How is that your responsibility? Well, that's to say, because this is why they do the string, so you don't have to go in to have it done.

So we want you to stab yourself in the kidney. So now, I'm trying to peel the tape off my wiener, which is, I'm off. It's hard, isn't it? I'm trying to get the tape off. Now, I got a pull on this thing. And every time I pull, I felt like I had a piss, the worst piss of my life. So I couldn't keep doing it. And the nurse called me back. He said, get it out yet? I said, no, I'm telling you. I'm sweating like a pig.

I'm shaking. I can't pull this thing out. I didn't want to do it. This can't be. I told my wife, go get a hammer, knock me out, and then pull it out. So this went on for two hours of me just trying to do this thing. And the nurse kept on calling me. Finally, she called me and said, you're going to do this. You're going to pull it out in a steady stream.

Now, I said, how big is this thing? She said, it's about 10 inches long. That's just a hose. The string was another 14 inches long. So I had to keep pulling the string. It's like a fucking magician's hat. No kidding. So first I was going to do it, then my wife was going to pull it out. Then I had to pee again. I said, I can't let my wife do this. I have to do this. And I finally got up the courage and I just started pulling on it and pulling on it. And it finally came out. Oh my God. That was the most hard. Because every time you touched it, you felt like you had to piss so hard.

And it's like, I'm trying to finally get this thing out. Dude, I'm telling you, I would have passed out. I'm telling you, I would have passed out. Believe me, dude, I was sweating like a pig and I was shaking. Until it finally fell. I threw it on the floor and I bent over. Oh my god, it's over. I was ready to cry. That's how bad it was. That's looking crazy. Oh shit. And you know, here's the thing. This is minor compared to what a lot of other people go through. Some people have to self-gathernize themselves. That would never fucking happen. I had a gatherer when I had my injury, but they didn't tell me. Ouch. So...

When they put me in for surgery, after they knocked me out, they gave me the catheter. And then before they woke me up, they took it out. But nobody ever fucking told me. So I'm like completely immobile in this fucking hospital bed. And so they give me these little pee jar things to piss in. So the first time I go to piss in this thing, dude burns. No kidding, right? But I had no idea why.

I was like, what the fuck? And they were like, oh. Oh, by the way. By the way, we had a tube up your penis. And they were like, well, just be glad that they fucking took it out when you were asleep. And I was like, yeah. All right, yeah, not fun. No, I think about how much I didn't enjoy peeing. Right, exactly. I can't think about if I was, like, pulling what would seemingly feel like a never-ending string. You ain't kidding, dude. It was not fun at all. No, thanks. Wow.

I said I was going to tie it to the dog and throw the ball. Dude, I'm going to tell you, man. This whole story, I've got the chills running up my spine hearing this entire thing. And I'm convinced that if something like that ever happens to me, I'm going to tell him flat out, listen, install a petcock valve on my stomach, and I'll just turn the fucker. All right? Just whatever. But you ain't doing that shit. I don't care. We're going to get some drill bits. Whatever we got to do. That can't be like...

I don't know. I still can't, like, that can't be common practice. It is. That's what I'm saying. It is. I mean, I hear the words coming out of your mouth. It doesn't mean that my brain has... You don't want to believe it. There's got to be a better way. There has got to be a better way, right? I mean... Can't they, like, magically come outside and laser that shit? I would never imagine them just being like, all right. Like, I just imagine the amount of money that you spend on health care and insurance and everything like that. If I woke up in a hospital and they were like, all right, so we have a fucking string tied to your dick. And in...

Like a couple days, you're just going to continue to pull it out. Fuck, I am. I would be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Unless this shit, unless I'm getting a massive discount, and that's why we went the route of like the fucking Scotch tape and fucking string routine. I can't even imagine. You're going to get a bill. You're right. I can't wait to see how much they charge you for this guy's tape. There's like a medical adhesive tape for like $230 a fucking inch. And I swear to God, man.

I would say, look, no, I'm coming back in. You're knocking my ass out. That's the whole thing. I was supposed to go back in tomorrow. But I pulled it partially out. They said I had to come out. And they said, well, if you want to come in this afternoon and do it. But I was in so much discomfort because I couldn't really pee because I pulled it out somewhere. So how do you feel now? My kidney still hurts. I mean, I'm getting pain and I have to keep putting heat on it. But other than that, I'm fine. All right. But that stuff, that stuff I'm taking for the burn, which is a urinary tract infection stuff that they give to women. Right. Like an Azo? Yeah, Azo, right. So I took that.

That calmed it down. But I'm also peeing like a bright orange. Like the bright orange you have on the screen, that's the color that's coming out. I did that in solidarity for you. Thank you. And once it was out, I peed so much better. No burning or anything. It was so much nicer. I just got the pain in my kidney now. So what you're saying, fellas.

is if you have a kidney stone and they offer the opportunity to wait, don't. Right, right. No, the better thing is wait into a fucking 5'11 fucking pull-string doll. What time they flush out, they flush them out. Mine just got stuck in one spot. That's fucking crazy. Dude, I'm telling you, I would have told them, you're going to knock my ass out. I am not touching that fucking string. Here's the thing.

If I went in, they were going to take it out with me awake anyway. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Think about it. Would you rather have somebody else do it or you do it? No, somebody else do it, but I don't want to know. I'm going to be out. I'd rather have somebody do it that may have done it before. True. What the fuck do I know about this? Yeah, really?

If they've never done it either, then I might say, you know, get me drunk first. I was worried about the string breaking. Then what would I do? Then they're going in. They're going to cut your winky open. No, they said they have other ways to get it out. Yeah, I bet they do. I don't want any other way. I bet they do. They're going to go in through your ass. Oh, man. Go through your throat. So Tim's got a new dick. Oh, my God. That should have gave everybody a nice good chill.

You didn't go golfing today. I had a thing. I was supposed to play at 1 o'clock, and I called him. I said, there's no way. I couldn't. There's no way I would be able to do it. Wow. And a lot of these guys, when they have it done, they like to leave them in for a week to two weeks. Can you imagine? No. And having to pee every 20 minutes? Yeah. That's not going to work. No. Every time you touch the string, you're going to chill up your body. Do you remember we had the guy, the listener?

His name's escaping me right now. It's on the tip of my tongue. But he used to listen to the show in the morning. He worked at, I forget what store it was. Walmart or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was Matt. Can you imagine if this episode was going across the store? Oh, my God.

Oh, man. Full volume. Oh, man. So briefly, I had an interview last week with Chris Conley. He was on the show because he's preparing. Nice segue. Yeah, nice segue. I got to get a... Well, because, you know, there was other things to talk about. There is other things to talk about, but Chris isn't here. So I can't necessarily bring it up because I want him to be part of that conversation. But so Chris, he got the load rider ST. We talked about that. And he's doing the scooter cannonball.

Now, you've heard of the Cannonball Run, and there is a Cannonball race. There is a Cannonball race with cars and stuff. But the Scooter Cannonball is an event where only scooters and they ride across the country in like 11 days. So it's a cool event. It's a cool event. They're starting in Seaside, Oregon, and they're ending in South Padre Island, Texas from June 22nd to the 29th.

It's yeah, it's it's really it's a crazy event. Let me share this. What is that like 2,000 miles? I don't know exactly. Let me see. But here's what it's 4,000 miles. Eight days. Eight days, eight states, 4,000 miles. Wow. And here's basically the route that they're doing. They're starting there and meandering all the way down through Texas. And the deal is, like, is there like a limitation in CCs or something like that? Yeah, it's basically information resources on the website.

He got into it, and I really, I don't recall exactly what it was, but go to the FA Flickery Ask Questions. Typically, they're traveling 350 to 500 miles each day on back roads the entire way down, and they're who participates. Right now, I see what they have. In 2023, they had 287 riders registered, 181 started, 162 finished. So they're starting up now because this is supposed to begin, what was it then?

It's June. Yeah, it's June. June 22nd to the 29th. So, yeah, it's going to be, it's a cool event. What's the, did I mention, oh, scooters ranging from size from 50cc to 300cc. So these aren't big bikes. No, they're like legitimate scooters. They're legitimate scooters. Oh, 300's not bad, though. You can get up to 60 miles an hour. Yeah, well, they're doing a lot. It's not even, it's like, they sell, like, touring-type scooters, but none of those are necessarily going to really, well.

I don't know. I won't say none. I mean, like here's a guy on a Honda Cub with a milk crate strapped to the back with a gas can. So I'll give you an idea what's involved. So, yeah, very interesting event. So what you're saying is you're doing it next year. You know, it would be cool, and I would do it if I had a scooter. And, you know, of course, there's money involved, too, so I would have to. Well, you do the cannibal run, and then you sell it as soon as you can talk. Yeah, of course, yeah. But here it is right here. One of the frequently asked questions is, what is this going to cost me?

And you say, it really depends on personal circumstances, references, and logistics. A rider with a working scooter, which they will ship in only one direction, as well as appropriate riding gear, should expect to spend $4,000 to $6,000 to participate. Here's an example of a $6,000 working budget for an eight-day scooter cannibal. Fuel, $200. Hotel, $2,000 for 10 nights. Meals, $750 for 10 days. Parks and tolls, $50. Riding gear upgrades, $500. Tires, spare consumables, $500. Shipping scooter, $1,500. Airfare home, $500.

You could whack that up a lot, though. Oh, absolutely. You kidding me? First of all, you don't ship your scooter. You don't ship your scooter to ride it. Well, I was going to say, here's the other thing. If you're buying a scooter just for this thing to sell it, buy it out there. Yeah, exactly. Sell it while you're there when you're done. But hotels? Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's like it even says, hey, for the roommate. I mean, pick somebody that's going and split the... You know what I mean? I don't know. I think that's a lot. That's a lot, you know, to...

I don't know. It's an estimate, but I think that's a really overblown estimate for that. I don't know. I certainly wouldn't ship my scooter. I would just ride it back if I had to. Well, you look at that thing right underneath it. It said many have spent more money than the select few. Yeah, many have spent more money than the select few have done it for less. I know I could do it for less. Absolutely. No shit. What are you saying?

No, I'm saying, like, you could definitely. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, I might end up eating more than $750, but other than that, I could keep all those other numbers out or below. I would definitely eat less than $750. That would be where all my money went. Really? Because I'm like a garbage pit. Well, fuel, too. Fuel, yeah, I could see that.

Yeah, $200. Yeah, maybe, I guess. You know, I guess. Yeah, but here's the thing. A 50cc scooter, I mean, those things are getting like 65 miles per gallon. Well, here's what Chris did. Chris outfitted his with an extra, I think he said it was, I don't recall. I think it was like a secondary tank. Yeah, he hooked up a secondary tank to his. So he could go serious mileage. No, but I'm saying miles per gallon. Yeah. I'm saying that cost-wise. You know, even if it's, you know, 350 a gallon or whatever. Yeah. If you're getting...

65 or whatever miles at a gallon, I mean, you're doing pretty decent. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, so that's happening. Oh, you had a scooter. How big was your tank? I think mine was three gallons. Oh, yeah. And they said that, Chris was telling me, that one of the things you don't do is don't use a Vespa because they're prone to breaking down a lot.

So a lot of guys are getting old. He's got a brand new Yamaha scooter that he's going to be riding during this event. So I split the difference because you could do a 50cc up to 300cc. Sure, yeah. So I asked what the average mile per gallon was for a 150cc scooter, and it says between 60 to 80 miles per gallon. Damn. How many gallons do we have? No, no, no, but that's my point. My point is just from a purchasing standpoint. Yeah, yeah. Right? So if it's an 8,000 mile trip. Yeah.

you're going to spend more than $200 on fuel. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Absolutely. Wasn't that what it said? Yeah, it said $200 for fuel. Yeah, it was $200 for fuel. No, that's not right. Maybe it wasn't. Oh, it was only a 4,000-mile trip, you said. Yeah, 4,000-mile trip. Oh, 4,000. Yeah, 4,000 miles. No, 4,000 in eight days. Oh, yeah, I screwed that up now. Maybe it's, whatever. You can save gas if you use a lot of, like, drafting. Talking behind a semi, right? Yep. Oh, jeez. Oh, man.

Oh, man. Hey, the NHTA, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, has announced that it's updating its rules to allow domestically produced autonomous vehicles to qualify for exemptions from U.S. auto safety standards previously offered only to imports. The NHSTA will continue to require carmakers and other companies to report crashes involving self-driving systems while loosening some reporting requirements. Basically, they're talking about this and motorcycles.

Is that Chris? Yes, it is. Hello, Chris, and welcome. Okay, continue. What were you talking about? So we're talking about the National Highway Safety, Traffic Safety Administration, and they're saying they're actively engaged in developing a multifaceted regulatory framework for vehicles with automated driving systems.

But it is still too early to know how these changes will impact motorcyclists. However, the move does not signal a push by the administration to remove previously restrictions on self-driving vehicles. So for the last decade, the Motorcycle Riders Foundation has been raising concerns that this new technology may be unable to recognize and react to motorcyclists. Now more than ever, the MRF will remain vigilant, working with our partners on Capitol Hill, and fight to protect the safety of everyone on our highways. So they're changing the rules for domestic cars regarding autonomous vehicles and their requirements for...

detecting vehicles and pedestrians. Well, like any technology, it's going to have to get, you know, it's going to get better as the years go by. But yet, it's happened. They've had not just Tesla, all the other electric cars that are self-drivers. There's been cases of them smacking into fucking people. Forget about motorcycles. Oh, yeah. Is that a truck? Do they think it's a billboard? Yeah, right. I feel like, how do you let shit like that go to market without knowing, like you just said, right? You were like, that's the kind of thing that like...

it's going to take time like in years it'll be like where it should be it shouldn't be allowed to come to market until it is exactly i mean you're talking about like a fucking ham sandwich here you're talking about like something like you want to talk about like death machines these things are driving at even at like certain okay even if they're following the speed limit because they're autonomous yeah right there are there are places in this country that the speed limit is 78 miles an hour yeah like you can't just have that like whack it into shit, like as if it's like, whoops, you know what I mean? Like, dude, like, I get that you gotta recoup the money that you made from investing into shit, but like, you have to have that figured out first. It looks like a ham sandwich. Does it taste like a ham sandwich? Well, it's close. Ah, good enough. It looks like a ham sandwich after that fucking autonomous vehicle smacked into it at 80 miles an hour. Well, now they're coming out with autonomous motorcycles, too.

You know what? We don't have to worry about that because I personally believe that'll never catch. It'll never catch. What's the point? Yeah, that will never catch. And all the regular riders will be like, fuck off, you fucking retard. Get out of here. That's a fit of people who would like to ride a motorcycle but are too afraid to. Yeah, most of the first people that are going to die when they get on their autonomous fucking motorcycle. And it has an accident with an autonomous car. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. It's the most ridiculous thing ever, but anyway. Chris, how you doing, man? How's things? Same shit, different day. Yeah? So you've had some things going on.

We've already heard about Tim's broken dick and Justin's mending leg. Well, what'd you do now, Justin? Well, no, he's healing. And we've had enough of my elbow. But so now what's going on with you? No medical issues for you, right? Well, knock on wood. Now that you should put the jinx on me, thanks. Thanks, appreciate that. Yeah, well, as long as it's not your dick.

We're gonna keep bringing up the string, aren't we? Yep, yep. That's frightening. That's frightening. You have no idea. You had a real-life party popper in your pants. I was shaking, dude. I was shaking and sweating. Oh, my God. Shut up. You want the string? Do we call you String Dick from now on? What was that nickname you had for him, Chris? His new Viking name was what?

So, Chris, you've got some new things in your world, and you've also got some old things in your world. Let's talk about the new things. What you got? I finally got a new car, a newer used car. I got a new Navigator. I got that this past Saturday, so I'm only a few days in. Congratulations. And my bike had to be taken to the shop because the rear bearings went.

While you were riding. While I was riding. Thank God I was like a week fast. I turned a corner. I was going to lunch at work. Thursday? Wednesday, Thursday? It was Thursday, I think it was. And I went around a corner. And all of a sudden, it felt like I had a flat tire. So I pulled the bike over. Looked at it. I'm like, wait a minute. Tire's not flat. And I'm like, oh, no. The fucking bearing went. And then when I got it back to my work, I saw the little O-ring popped off from the hub. So I was like, great. How did you get it to the shop? Did you ride it there?

No, I told him. Oh, you did? Okay, all right. And have you heard from him at all since? No, I know Rob. I've been to Rob. He's slow. Oh, jeez. He'll call me a week, two weeks from now. That's not good.

Well, the weather's shitty, so you can't ride anyway, right? Yeah. We'd need a fucking jet ski for the amount of rain. Well, at least you don't have to ride. You've got a new vehicle. At least you don't have to ride in the rain anymore. Yeah. How do you like the Navi? It's nice. You know, it's got some little tiny issues here and there, but that's because it's used. It wasn't perfect when I bought it. It's still clean. It looks good, right? Yeah, it looks good. It's clean. It rides nice. Good. And with all the rain you're getting, the sunroof doesn't leak?

Yes, I already passed that test because we already had rain here in the past couple days. Oh, good. So that was the first thing I was checking because, you know, I don't think this dealer I bought the car from really checked this car out thoroughly. Right. Like I did. No. They just got it in, cleaned it up, and put it on for sale. Of course. Like all these car dealers. Well, take it over to Jiffy Lube and get the oil changed and the filter changed and all that stuff. How many miles does that thing have on it? 139. That's not too bad. That's pretty cool. It's really good. So, wow. Well, because I know a couple of people. I mean, I've looked at Navigators while I was looking for used cars with 250, 300,000 miles on them.

Yeah, it'll definitely go that. I can't. That's crazy. I can't even imagine having a vehicle that long. I've never had a vehicle that long. Well, some of you don't know. I know. Holy crap. But Chris, you missed out on our talk about the scooter cannonball. Would you ever do a scooter cannonball? Oh, is that like the movie where you're going from across America or something like that? Pretty much. They're going 4,000 miles in eight days on a scooter. No bigger than a 300cc. It depends on what kind of scooter I get to pick or have. Well, whatever kind of scooter you want. It's up to you. Would you do it?

You know what? I would do it if I had the fucking time. If I had the time, I would definitely do it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's it. We should get a motorcycle men team together, and we'll do the scooter cannonball. That'd be funny as hell. Are you kidding me? We'll sign them each other. So there's just a couple of things we're going to touch on, and I don't know which one to go on first. Okay, we'll let you guys pick. There are just two topics we can talk about. Jochen Zeitz is out as the CEO of Harley, or we can talk about seven Harleys to avoid. Which one do you want to talk about first?

All right. Chris, what about you, Tim? Sure. Justin? I'm good with that. You want to talk about Tim's dick again, right? I think for everybody's sake, Tim's included, that we give that one a... Give it a rest. Let everybody get the chills out of this.

Holy crap. All right. This is from the Harley-Davidson forums, and they listed seven Harley-Davidson models you might want to avoid. Here are some models that disappointed riders due to reliability issues, outdated tech, or poor performance. So I'll let you guys see these things, and then you can judge for yourself. All right. And here we go. All right. Now, first of all, they show you this wonderful AMF.

Harley-Davidson here. This is number one to avoid is the AMF-era Harley-Davidson's in the 1970s. Everybody knows that. Yeah. When American Machine and Foundry bought Harley-Davidson in 1969, it ushered in a decade of production plagued by labor strikes, rushed manufacturing, and declining build quality. That fucking model, the AMF-era, is what gave Harley the leaks oil thing. Yeah, of course. Because the AMFs, that's all they did was leak oil. Yeah. Are those AMFs worth anything at this point? I tell you what, now everybody wants one.

It's just the strangest thing. It's like a gaff collectible. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So models like the 1971 FX Superglide and various Sportsters from the mid-1970s were particularly problematic. Riders reported frequent oil leaks, electrical faults, and poor overall reliability. While some have nostalgic or collectible value today, these bikes require constant wrenching and are best left to experienced tinkerers. So it's a good-looking bike. I'll give it that. It's a good-looking bike, but...

avoid like the plague there should be a car complaints for motorcycles well they put an updated uh engine on that thing well that's you know it's got that's that's the iron head in there that's a shovel that's a shovel yeah uh number two is the uh harley-davidson street 500 and the street 750 between which ironically that's not a street right that's a sports iron 883 that they're showing in the picture so uh good job uh to the people who look for this image Designed for newer riders and emerging markets, the Streets 500 and 750 featured the liquid-cooled Revolution X engine and modern styling. However, their cheap build materials, vague braking performance, and uninspired ride quality led to a lukewarm reception. Did you watch a YouTube about all this about maybe a month ago?

I don't recall. No. Okay, because I did. I watched a biker guy podcast, and he was talking about all the shit stuff that Harley made over the years. Oh, yeah. He was really picking on these fucking bikes. Oh, dude. I thought they were ugly. I thought they were ugly shit. Like, why would I buy any one of these Street 500 or 750 when Yamaha or Kawasaki had way better looking bikes? Oh, yeah. And better performing and certainly better quality. With these models, Justin, you've seen these bikes up close and dealt with them all the time when you worked at Harley. How many did you see Soul when you were there?

I mean, we actually sold a decent amount, but you also got to remember that those were the bikes that the riding academy used. Yeah. So, like, a lot of people, you know, it all depended because if people rode that all weekend and felt comfortable on it, it wasn't, like, such a dramatic step for somebody to, you know, then get out. I mean, you think a lot of these riding schools teach on these, like, small bikes. They're teaching on, like, 250cc, you know, on the Rebel, these little bikes. And then even if you're going to buy a Sportster.

it feels a lot bigger. The reality was, as light as they were, the physical size of them didn't feel small the way some of these other bikes did. I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, people bought them. I mean, you know, it was also an entry into Harley Davidson. Sure. Yeah. A very low price point. I mean, all things considered. But the critics pointed to the budget suspension. The fit and finish wasn't that great. I do recall that. And a limited cornering distance. Even Harley Puritz didn't embrace them. And they were quietly discontinued by 2021. It's funny. I do recall Harley not announcing that they were discontinuing it. They just kind of like didn't even mention that where they weren't even going to produce it anymore.

Yeah, they just probably said you whispered, like, yeah, we're not going to make this thing. Because nobody cared. Nobody likes this thing. Oh, my God. The V-Rod. I can't believe this one was on it. The V-Rod was not very successful, apparently, for Harley. Here's the interesting thing, though. They only picked 2001 to 2003, the early models of the V-Rod. Yeah, I kind of like that one. I like the original. Exactly. But they're saying here the early V-Rod models introduced the liquid-cooled revolution engine co-developed with Porsche and aimed to attract performance-oriented riders. While innovative, it alienated traditional Harley fans with its sport-like...

sport bike-like engine characteristics and unconventional styling. Early models also suffered from throttle lag, awkward ergonomics, and small guest tanks. Later versions refined the formula, but the initial release remains divisive and is sometimes avoided by Harley traditionalists and performance riders alike. I don't know. I've ridden this particular year, and I've also ridden the newer ones, like the 2015. I've ridden those. I did not think that there was a performance lag. I didn't see that. Awkward riding position? I didn't think the riding position was awkward. Did you, Dustin?

No, I mean, to be honest with you, it looked like it should have been a lot more awkward than it actually felt. Right. It felt like, I mean, well, fairly traditional for, I guess, in terms of any bike with floor controls like that. You know what I mean? It's no different than if you're riding a breakout. Sure, right. It's that C-shape that you're in that people are talking about. But I didn't feel the bike was uncomfortable. In fact, I thought the seat was very comfortable.

um and i know this bike had a lot of get up and go that's for damn sure i remember that um yeah yeah well they were they were like they were like 11 it was like 1130 cc's yeah 1130 and then they went to 1250. I forget what size the gas tank was in the original one. The original one was a three-gallon tank. Yeah, it was a three-gallon tank. And then when, or after, I think it was 2008. Maybe it might have been 2005. They went to a five, yeah. And it was under, the gas tank was under the seat, which I thought was kind of weird. But yeah. Because that's an airbox up top. Airbox up top, yeah. It was pretty cool, though. I love this month. This year, the 2003, I would love to have one of these. Definitely. You know, they always kind of like hinted that they didn't sell that well, I guess. But...

i mean maybe not out like i mean maybe there's areas of the country that they didn't sell that well but by us yeah i mean we were always sold out of them like you know we were always trying to locate them from other dealers because we had people that wanted them and we i mean we we never had an issue they were very popular right in in our area so they probably just weren't getting the overall numbers that they wanted but who knows how popular it is like maybe it's not popular like out west but like you know you take like any of these like urban areas you know what i mean yeah yeah i imagine that in any of these big city type areas that's going to be fairly popular yeah well i think probably as a commuter bike maybe i don't know um next The Harley-Davidson TwinCam 88 between 1999 and 2006. Is that 2006? Yeah. Well, I have the TwinCam 88, and anybody who knows, yes, I have that. Chris, you got this TwinCam 88 as well.

Yeah, that's a good engine, actually. Well, the twin cam 88 engine, empowered by many soft tails, touring, and dyna models from the late 1990s to the mid-2000s, though powerful, it had a notorious flaw. What is that flaw, boys and girls? These spring-loaded cam chain tensioners that wore out prematurely, leading to catastrophic engine damage if left unchecked. Replacing them with the hydraulic units or gear drives solved the issue, but not before many owners faced extensive repairs. Pre-2006 models are especially risky unless already updated. So we know all about that.

I think mine was updated. It must have been. I can't remember if it was Rob or G's garage that told me that it was a hydraulic. Yeah, see, it must have been because your bike has... Well, I got 77,000 miles on. Right, see, and if it was not upgraded, by now you would have had the problem. You definitely would have.

It hit me when I had, what did I say, like 30,000 miles on it or something like that? Yeah, you were at 20 or 30. Well, I bought the bike at 25 and then wasn't very, it was probably right around 37,000 miles that happened. So, yeah. So those are the ones you want to avoid unless if it's been, if you're considering a TwinCam 88 model, Harley-Davidson, one of the things you might want to do is opening up the cam chest and see if it's been done.

Or definitely check service records to see if it's been done before you buy. Because it's an expensive and time-consuming repair. I know. Again, here we are with the Harley-Davidson FXR models at number five, the early 1980s models. Ironically, the FXR is now beloved for its superior handling and rigidity. But in its early years, Harley fans dismissed it as too Japanese-looking and too different. Now it's pretty hard to make your bike look like an FXR if it isn't one. Yeah? I don't know.

The 82 to 84 models in particular suffered from poor marketing and identity confusion, sandwiched awkward between AMF-era design language and the rebirth of traditional Harley aesthetics. While the bike itself is solid, resale value and parts available for the early FXRs can be hit or miss, making them a harder sell for casual riders. I don't know. What do you think? They're worth way more than they're actually worth right now. Oh, really? No kidding. Oh, my God. You can't touch. It's stupid. You could buy, like, FXRs are going for, like, the same price as, like, wow.

I figure, like, you could buy, like, probably, like, a 2015 or 2017 fucking, well, Dinosoft, however you want to call it, for, like, the same price you could buy, like, an FXR. Seriously? Really? Wow. It's kind of a boring look, though. Yeah. I'm not a fan of the look. FXR. I don't know. It almost looks like your Virago. And that's got the... Yeah, I can see that. It's actually got... Yamaha ripped off Harley big time with the Virago. And you know what? But this engine, that's the Evolution engine, isn't it, Justin? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's the Evolution, which is a damn good motor.

No, you can't kill the Evolution. It's a great motor. Wow. And finally, number seven, the Rocker C from 2008 to 2011. I like that bike. The Rocker and the Rocker C. I feel it's cool. It's cool. It just came out too late. It did. It came out at the end of that being popular. Yeah. You know, like the big wheel chopper had like a huge...

Like, there was a period of time where that was, like, the thing. Like, people were spending $100,000 on these custom, you know, big wheel, like, choppers. And by the time they came out with it, people were fucking over it. You know what I mean? They had, like, a year. I know. With its stretched rear fender and fall hardtail design, the Rocker tried to channel custom chopper style straight from the factory, but many felt it went too far. The trick seat design was impractical for passengers, and the unusual rear end comprised suspension travel and comfort.

It's styling also aged quickly, leading to low resale value. Most buyers looking for a soft tail now steer towards more practical and better performing models. Now, for those of you who don't know, the trick seat they're talking about is when you lifted the seat forward, behind it unfolded a small seat that came out for a passenger. And it floated. It looked fucking terrible. Really? It looked so weird. And it couldn't have been comfortable. It just couldn't have been. No, that's not a bike made for long distance. It's not much for passengers either. No. No, not at all.

I actually, I actually had the chance. Justin, I'm sure you've had these in your shop. Yeah. But I've actually had a chance to sit on one of these at when, remember when Harley-Davidson had, when Raway Harley-Davidson existed? Way back in the day. Oh, it exists again. Yeah, well, they had one there. And when I had brought my sports door over to get some work done back in the day, they had one on the floor and I was looking at it. I thought it was pretty cool. And then I saw the seat folding back and I was like, it was kind of cool. But at the same time, I'm like.

Yeah, but this bike lacks a lot of practical essence. Speaking of that, have you been there since they built the building across the parking lot? No. So now, I haven't been there in a long time. It was Liberty Harley-Davidson. What did it change its name to then? Well, it's Liberty again, but it's not owned by... It was Hammond. Yeah, it was Hammond Harley-Davidson. So the McTamneys had it when it was Liberty, and originally they owned another dealership that was closed. God, what was that town? It was like a half hour south.

I'll think of it. But... Oh, you think Long Branch, Harley-Davidson? No, no, no, no, no. It was older. The one up in North Jersey, maybe, you're thinking of? No, it was... Let's all throw names out. It was like... I wonder if it was a town, like, on Route 9. I used to work, like, right there. I know what you're talking about. It's right before the Route 1 bridge. Hold on. Is that the one I was thinking of? Because there used to be a Harley-Davidson deal on Route 1, just before you got to the bridge that went over the Ryron on Route 1. Was it East Brunswick? That might... Yeah, it might have been East Brunswick. I think. There was, like, something... It was, like... I'm trying to remember what town, but there was, like...

There was a Harley dealer in that neck of the woods, by that Spotswood area. They owned that and Liberty, and then they sold that or closed that or however you want to look at it. They had Liberty, and then Hannams out of Pennsylvania bought it and changed the name to Hannams. Hannams still owns it, but they changed the name back to Liberty. this huge two-floor... Remember the parking lot? Yeah. If you pulled in the parking lot off that main drag right there, where that... If you pulled in the parking lot off the street, say one o'clock in the parking lot, it's going to be that dead space area. There's a huge two-floor building in there. It's totally different. Wow. Didn't know that. The next time you're up, take a cruise pass. Take a two seconds.

So anyway, but there you go. The seven Harleys you should not get. Now for our final hurrah, Jochen Zeitz is no longer. Now this is old news, actually. It's been a few weeks, but Jochen Zeitz is out as the CEO of Harley Davidson claiming that he's retiring.

Who believes he's retired? They fired him. I know all about it. Because see, that motherfucker was a woke asshole and went absolutely batshit crazy with that stuff. Oh, man. Wrong crowd to do that with. Oh, man. And this happened just before Sturgis was kicking off. And this whole woke thing that came out that apparently his agenda he was trying to push. And it alienated a lot of people. And there was this...

People were saying that when I was up at Sturgis last year, they were saying, people were saying, well, Harley-Davidson booth is like totally empty. There's like nobody there. And I was there. I'm like, I don't know what they're talking about. There were a lot of people at the Harley-Davidson booth. But either way, Jochen Zeitz is out as the new CAO. And they have not announced a new guy yet. And so there's a lot of speculation going around. Well, it serves them right for hiring a guy who used to run Puma.

Puma. Yeah, Puma, you know the shoe people? Right. To be honest, he was kind of a weird fit from the get-go, but I feel like Harley, at the time that they made that decision, was to some degree going through a bit of an identity crisis anyway. I think so. I feel like as much as it was a weird move, it made sense when you consider all the other things that they were doing. I mean, they were talking about coming out with...

like a crew sport bike they were talking about uh yes you know they were opening up the world to like these adventure bikes they they were like really just trying to almost shed the image that everybody fell in love with which i really thought was weird because like here's the thing i understand like the whole you know you can't rest on your laurels kind of thing sure however i don't think they were at a point where they had to worry about if they had like To this day, the reason, like, people, they didn't lose that kind of want, whether you're a lawyer, a doctor, a biker, a construction worker, a teacher, it didn't matter. Everybody kind of collectively, like, thought it was cool and wanted a piece of that. So if it ain't broke, you know what I mean? Try and fix it. Now, if all of a sudden you're like, okay, the fucking novelty's worn off.

you know what i mean then fine try some other shit and and get a little bit crazy but the reality is what worked for harley for a hundred plus years was seemingly still working and all of a sudden it was like they were just like well it's not working anymore to basically do what everybody else is already doing and it's like you know the reason the reason that harley was one of the most successful brands is because they weren't doing what everybody else was doing so it's almost like to me it was like a step backwards because it's like you've got the secret sauce figured out that everybody else is trying to figure out and can't seem to manage and you're like you know what instead of doing that we're going to try and mimic what everybody else is doing because they don't have what we have. And that, to me, was just kind of like, I could never really wrap my head around it. Well, you know, going back when Matt Levitach was the CEO, and he was there when they first introduced the Pan Am, when they first introduced the Bronx Street Fighter. So everybody was like, okay, cool, let's do this. This might be good for Harley Davidson to expand our horizons and see what else we can do. But then mysteriously,

He disappears. He steps down. And almost immediately, Jochen Zeitz is the CEO. Almost immediately. And then they trashed the Bronx. We're not doing that. But I think then, right then and there, they alienated some people who had hopes to see this new, this quote-unquote new Harley Davidson. But it didn't happen. But thankfully, the Pan Am did hit the floor. And it is a success, which is a good thing. But now that Mr. Zeitz is out, because they realized what he was doing wasn't good for the brand.

What's next for them? What do you think is next? I'm not saying that my opinion is the right one. Everybody has opinions. You know what they say about opinions. Make sure that there's tape to it. He missed that completely. But, you know, going back to, like, okay, so you were saying, like, you know, they did the Pan Am and it was successful and everybody was talking about, like, how it could be good for the brand to expand the horizons the whole nine yards. Okay. Well,

While I understand that and while that statement makes sense, where I struggle with that a little bit is, you know, Harley Davidson fans are typically like diehard fans, curious the whole nine yards, right? So if you start trying to just expand into these things that don't really fit that model, to me, you kind of end up watering down uh, the thing that gave you such a strong balance. Yeah. And like, you know, you're, you know, if you have these guys that are like fucking diehards and they have the reasons why, and then all of a sudden, like you come out with an adventure bike, it's, it's a little bit confusing. You know what I'm saying? So like my whole thing is, is like, I'm not saying like, look, if Harley wants to sell shit to people that they weren't selling shit to because they didn't fit that image, then I don't know, maybe, maybe find,

like a unique way to do it. Like, okay. So like, you have like Hyundai and Kia, right? They're, they're both owned by Hyundai, but they're, they're two different brands, right? Like Harley wanted to like say like, Hey, listen, they're going to be made in our factory, but we're coming out with another brand. Livewire. Livewire one. If it's going to be, and it's going to be whatever. It could have been Pan Am. Of course. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it doesn't have to be the Harley Davidson Pan Am. That at least leaves, at least Harley Davidson's.

you know, kind of whatever, but it puts money into the company if they want to try to sell to people outside that without, I think, moneying, you know, because your typical Harley biker, rider, whatever you want to say, done up in Harley shit. Don't you think it's going to feel like a little weird when he pulls up to a light and there's like, we're going to call him like your typical BMW rider because that's essentially who the Pan Ams are kind of geared towards, right? When you pull up next to your typical BMW rider, kind of wearing all kinds of Harley shit. and it you got both these guys looking at each other like where they like feel like they should be like it's the identity crisis well hey we're you know we're kind of the same but they're both looking at each other like we're not the same well you know what the hope is well the the hope is that uh the younger generation who is into sport bikes and your naked bikes and things like that but but again listen remember now everybody eventually becomes a cruiser rider whether they like it or not everybody young kids that were coming in yeah

Of course, of course. They never went away. Oh, no, no, no, of course not. But eventually, everybody turns 50 years old and says, you know what? I need to chill a little bit. You know what? And a comfortable cruiser just might be the thing. And let me trade in my Bronx motorcycle for this soft tail instead. You know, that is the hope.

That is the long-term vision of what the thought process likely was. But it got abandoned. I think it's unfortunate because, like I said, it could have been, it's not a replacement, mind you, much like the live wires and electric bike. It's not a replacement for the internal combustion engine. It's an alternative. And I think that's the thinking we have to keep in mind. It's an alternative. Oh, I get that. No, no, no. And I understand it. Yeah. I feel like, you know, and Chris even said this before, you know, you think about brands that saw how successful.

Harley was that they did everything they could to mimic what they did. That should tell you, guys, you figured it the fuck out. Yeah, right. You had every other brand of motorcycle ripping Harley off. Every fucking one of them. You won. You've got it figured out. Just keep doing that until that doesn't work anymore. Then figure it out. I'm not saying you have to wait until the bitter end, but you know.

you know you've won you've been on top you've been on the throne for decades now you're still on top you're still on top regardless i feel like it might have done if anything i feel like it might have done damage possibly possibly but uh i think to your typical harley loyalist uh not so much because we all just went like yeah whatever um but you know what one of the things i think like things that should happen now whoever takes that step who ever sits in that chair should really sit down with the with people there and say okay here's what we're gonna do and in my humble opinion we had talked about this once before justin and you brought up the modern classic now janus motorcycles has been doing this for years making this motorcycle that looks like it's out of the 1910s and creating it now harley-davidson should do the same thing bring out that small displaced displacement motorcycle that resembles something they did in the 1910s what they need to do is they need to get their pricing yes and figure it out because i mean that's what they got to get under control yeah because like the prices of those motorcycles they've always been a premium product and i think people are okay with paying a premium to get that product right and i'm not suggesting that you cheapen it to the point where it doesn't right until the finish you don't want the finish to suffer but like at the same time like

I mean, I feel like it's gotten out of hand. It's way out of hand. They did that fucking... What do you call it? They did that vintage bike.

The Hydra Glide. And it was like, they wanted stupid money for that, and it was basically just a road kick. It was $35,000 they wanted. Now, here's the thing. You know what I'm saying? That's fucking crazy. This is true. You can't do that. That should be a fucking $18,000 bike. Yeah, I don't think the money that they're charging is to cover their production of the motorcycle. I think that majority of that money is to satisfy the investors. I think that's what that is. I don't know that the Harley-Davidson production has anything whatsoever to do with the pricing of these bikes. I think this is just a...

a bank account satisfaction for investors and board members. It's just stupid. There's no need for it. Speaking in terms of the Hydroglide, one of the dumbest things is they limited production to 1,500 bikes. Why?

They do that because then they feel like they can charge a premium because everybody's going to want it. Well, you know what? Let's make that bike available for everybody if everybody wants to buy it. And let's make it affordable for everyone. All bikes. The thing that Harley's always been big on is limited disc and special edition that, but the reality is none of that shit holds its value. Everybody's figured that out at this point. That's like, for example, I got the 2003 anniversary edition Heritage, right? It hasn't retained value. It's got some value, but it hasn't retained value because they produced so many of them. Well, you could buy a...

non-anniversary heritage of the same year for the same price. Yeah. It's not like it's going to be worth more because it's that anniversary edition. Yeah, I know. But I think the thing is, you know, originally, people thought that it would be. And since then, Harley's kind of banked on...

you know sell it to somebody with the mindset of this is going to be worth something someday but I mean time has passed enough where they've put out enough shit that like under the guise of hey this is going to be worth something someday and But not when you produce so many. So, I mean, the novelty of, you know, hey, this might be worth something someday, people have figured out, I'm not getting anything extra for that, so why should I pay $35,000 for something that I could fucking buy for 18? For example, with my bike, the only thing people are getting, the anniversary editions, the only thing you're getting with that is special paint, really. That's it. That's pretty much all you're getting, you know. Which, in reality...

you could go to a custom painter and have a one-off bike instead of a one of X amount of thousand. You know what I mean? You know, it's funny because way back, I think like the third year I owned my bike, my tool bag that I had hanging off the front bar between the forks, it slipped down while I was riding and put a dent in my front fender. So I brought the bike to Harley and I showed him, I said, can you guys bang, can that be banged out and fixed? And the guy says, as soon as we tap that, the paint's going to crack and come off. So it has to be repainted.

So, and I said, okay, well, can we do that? He goes, yes and no. Yes, we can repaint it, but no, because that paint is no longer available. Because they were telling me it's a special silver paint that they can't get anymore. Now, I don't know, because he's saying it's a special 2003 anniversary silver. And I don't know the truth behind that, but they did fix it, they did repaint it, and it matches exactly to the rest of the bike. So, I don't know if there's any truth to that, quote-unquote, special paint. Well, you can buy, I mean, so there was a guy that I knew that had an anniversary roguelike.

When he first bought it, he put like a custom fender on the front. It was like one of those like wraparound fenders. And he had it color matched to the anniversary paint job. And then as time went on and he got older, he was like, you know, I just want the original fender. So he called me up back when I was working there and he was like, can you get the original fender?

And you could order painted parts from Harley directly. Okay. But the thing was, is because it was an anniversary model from whatever it was, like 08 or something. Right. You know, they had obviously made extra then, but once whatever was sold out of inventory was sold, obviously they weren't making anything new. Yeah. So like...

You know, if it was like, you know, you start looking that up and it's like, well, maybe one of the saddlebags was available. The other side wasn't because that had been sold. You know, those have been sold since maybe the rear fender was available. The front wasn't. I mean, there was like, you know, it was basically whatever was left in stock. Right. Kind of deal. You know what I mean? Yeah. Wow. Well, there you go with that. Yeah. So, I mean, there are a lot of things that Harley can do. We don't know who the new CEO is. We don't know what direction they're going to take the company. They didn't even ask one yet, did they? Nope. Not yet. Not yet at all. They have not. All right. So let me ask you a question. And I feel like we've talked about this a million times over. But let's say.

like a year from now, all kinds of shit goes fucking sideways. And like Harley is just not what Harley used to be. And now it's time for you to get another bike. And you're like, I don't like the way I don't like where Harley's at with everything. And I'm talking about like brand new. I'm not saying like you're just going out and buying like a used. What brand do you get? We did have this conversation once before. If I were to go another brand, I'd likely go with Triumph.

Yeah, that's probably more than likely where I would go. What about Indian? You know, I had the chance to ride a couple of Indians when I was up in Sturgis last year. I rode the black Indian, in fact. And it just, you know, I got off the bike and I went, meh. You know, it didn't wow me. There was nothing about it. There's nothing about the brand. There's nothing about the motorcycles that just, none of it just speaks to me. It doesn't.

It doesn't wow me in any way. I look at it. I go, eh, it's all right. You know, the Triumph, I go, this is cool. You know, I'll do that. There are a lot of brands, a lot of bikes that I'll look at and say, oh, this is cool. This is nice. I like this. But, you know, the Indians, they just, for some reason, I don't know what it is, but they just don't do anything for me. So, yeah, probably more for me, it would probably be a Triumph. What about you? No. No? Well, I mean, I do think that, you know, some of the Triumphs are cool, and I like, especially some of the...

traditional stylings that they've maintained on some of their, you know, models. But at the same time, I mean, you know, the thing that's cool about the Harley is like, you know, you're buying, you know, an American brand. And it's like, you know, so if you go Triumph, obviously you're giving that up. I know Chris would go buy a Canon Spyder in a heartbeat. Oh, yeah. Snowmobile with wheels. That's it. Hey, I just want to do just a couple of things before we knock off. We have, we got, we got Binnet to do. Can we do Binnet real quick? All right. Sure.

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Uh-oh. No, it's actually good. It's actually good for a change. I like how we're always so blown away. It's not people telling us they hate us. This comes from Kevin. And Kevin's in California. And Kevin, it's a real simple email. And it just says, I just wanted to say, you guys get me through work. You are the best.

Well, here's my story today. Kevin, thank you very much. We appreciate it. And we hope you enjoyed Tim's broke dick story. Kevin, buckle up for episode 427. You know about all these people who are listening to our podcast and they're like way back. They haven't even gotten to where we are now. Are they in for it or what? What I want is... Remember how there was that whole sports star thing? That mysterious sports star fucking... I'm going to have to go back and listen to every fucking episode. What I want is somebody who's like...

just starting to where it's like they're just blowing through episodes and it's like a lot more fresh in their head like I want them to get to one of these episodes where we talk about like this elusive sports their fucking shit and somebody sends an email and they're like dude it's fucking episode 47 fucking thank you the only thing that I can figure if we just can't find it, is that it was like a conversation that took place either before or after recording started. I doubt it. I doubt it. Because, dude, I am with absolute certainty it happened.

I know. I did not dream this. I know, man. We've had some interesting stuff. And I'm not the only one who remembers it. I know, I know. Oh, listen. A special congratulations out to Cleveland Moto Podcast. They just celebrated their 500th episode. Wow. So they're just ahead of us. Congratulations to Phil Waters and the crew over there. Nice. Great job, guys. Congratulations. And I know Liza and the folks over at the Misfits, they're already well past their 600th episode. Wow. Yeah. I don't like it. No, not much, but, you know, hey, whatever.

It is what it is. But we're slowly creeping up. We've got some. As we do. We slowly creep. We slowly creep. And we've got more shows coming. But that's it. I don't really have anything else to cover with this episode. I do have some interviews coming up. I'm going to be talking with Holly from the Ohio Bike Week. We're going to talk about that event. I got the guys from Sturgis. We're going to talk about the Sturgis event up at Buffalo Chip this year. And I have a couple other events, interviews going to be coming up as well. So stay tuned for all of that. Anything you guys want to bring up?

That's a good thing. That's a good thing. And your bike is broken. So let's get that fixed and get some riding in. And Justin, he's still broken, and he's not riding. Tim's dick is broken, so he's still not riding.

But there you go. So that's it for now, boys and girls. Thank you very much for listening. This has been episode 427. And we're going to be pulling out of here. We'll be back again. We'll be pulling that string. So that's going to be the new thing. We're pulling the string out. Just when you thought you were safe. Your own blood. Your own blood. Yeah. All right. So.

I am Ted. I am. I'm Ted, your host. And of course, join as always with Timbuktu. And of course, Chris, the Joker and Justin. And this is like, there's no strings attached. Wow. There you go. Why are you guys stringing me along? Oh, what would you like to say to him to sign off the show?

Ron, like nobody sees you. Ed, Justin, Ron, like everybody. Chris, what would you like to sign off with? String lives matter. Ouch. Ed, Justin, we know you have something to say. I gave it to him. I'll be nice. You'll be nice. You want to say something?

I think I'm good. Okay. Well, that's it. Thank you for joining us here on episode 427. We'll be back. There'll be another show next week, and there'll be another show that we have. So we're going back to our weekly shows, be it interviews, be it the four of us getting together and making stupid sounds, whatever it is, there'll be weekly shows. Oh, speaking of that, you know what I was thinking about? I have to interrupt you, but here I go. See, this is where the show goes on for another 20 minutes. Skype.

Skype is done today. Skype is done more. No way, really? Yeah, 20 years. No kidding. They pulled the plug and they closed down, huh? Pulled the plug. Wow. I was thinking about that because there was a period of time where that's what we did. That's what we did. We did Skype, yeah. That's because you had other apps come out that were better programs than themselves. Hey, you know. And ever since Microsoft came out with Microsoft Teams, which my company uses a lot, almost every company now uses them, that Teams effectively killed Skype. Pretty much. I think they like merged.

Yeah, because Teams is very... You can see some Skype stuff in there that they ripped off. I got an email from Skype that said if you sign it to Teams, like with your Skype information, that all your shit is there. That tells you right there to Teams over Skype. I just wonder if it wouldn't be good for us to switch over to Teams. I don't know. It's the main thing now. I'll look into it. Zoom is just...

I don't know. Zoom is just not where we are. A lot of guys are using StreamYard. Some guys are using, there's a couple other ones that other people use. Yeah, it's on a big podcast. We could always try the tin cans with the string in between. Yeah, pretty much. Oh, stop at the strings already. All right, boys and girls, thank you very much for joining. We appreciate you coming back to the podcast all the time, as usual. And remember, boys and girls, you say stupid crap so you don't have to. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. We're done, boys. All right. We'll chat with you guys later on. Feel better, buddy. Thank you. Yeah, everybody feel better. Yeah.