Episode 438 - Week of June 30th - July 6th

Let's get started You know listening to the Joe Rogan experience experience with Chico Simon come on and you're host Matt Floyd Welcome to the Joe Rogan experience experience. My name is Matt Floyd. You're always like mark welcome party and Simon as per usual I would also like to welcome you to the party What we do here is very simple to three of us on every episode of the Joe Rogan experience this week We're gonna rate each episode as well as the week on scale of one to five Jamie Vernon's We're not gonna talk about each guest. They're talking about each guest.

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Thank you Do you want to go over the guest list so we can do what we do yeah I also remind people to join the patreon regardless if you're gonna Let's do it just to support the podcast from the beginning It's the only way to do it and we talk about our problems and issues and feelings in the end like and subscribe We have two twenty three forty three Joe piston Retired FBA agents Twenty three forty four a mad massad Replet a cloud-based coding platform Finish off by discussion. We all want to have Romani and Plaski or doctor Romani and Plaski a computer scientist AI safety researcher AI safety research ball in your court. I give this three point five You just make a three and a half. You didn't even like fucking Jopa Stone I discovered but it formed my opinion on snitches three guests who have never been on before this hits all the buttons for you matter you should be Giving us one rave reviews and one of the most simulation talk like that's right up your I said I was surprised he gave it.

I didn't say what I'd rated it. That's right down your manhole He started by saying I hated the fucking snitch. Yeah, no, I then coming out and saying three and a half is already rated it Yeah, I can only now persuade you and your Again, I was just saying I was surprised it is three and a half I had even I had even voted yet I didn't put my I didn't even dip my toe in the water I say come on why whatever your character has nothing to do the content content has no new character But I formulate my opinion on rats niches like what the undercover agent appears to be to but he's not a rat or a snitch I don't he did his job. I don't like speed cameras.

Yeah, I don't like under cover agents you don't like you don't like You realize there's a difference in a snitch and an undercover right no an undercover agent gets in and so finds out you let that guy in and he gets Murdered you don't like a Sami the bull. Sorry. You don't like a Sami the bull That's a real no guy inside the turns cuz that's sort of the way it's supposed to go but the guy who infiltrates and lies and and this guy I mean You don't happen to Sami the bull They put him in witness protection in Phoenix and he started dealing ecstasy with the sons the and the devil dogs Yeah, so hold on a sec So you don't care for any undercover Cop like they're all scumbags to you. Okay, I mean listen Different he's so entrenched in the underworld.

Obviously he feels But I would argue that they have a move the needle You can say without undercover work the world would be under siege they bust one person someone else comes up It's well, maybe there'd be like 700 KKK Associations if it wasn't for undercover cops doing what is that I mean come our your argument though is they never put a dent in crime Therefore, they shouldn't be fighting crime. Yeah, we're getting a fair and square Fair and square I see what I see what he's saying. There's cops and there's robbers and the twins Never meet until the robber cop and then you actually know I'm not in on this. It's just I mean here's what I thought Are we starting with him?

No, we're not I'll match your three and a half, but I whatever. What do you give it's time? That's the air conditioner don't I don't know. What did you give it?

And you gave it a three and a half? I'd be a real asshole if I didn't give it a three and a half Yeah, baby Jesus right went horribly wrong. You know what you said yellow. Go fuck.

No, you're right in your defense They're all yellow. Well, I would say that was green. Yeah yellow yellow yellow. Those are the ones I hit in said order I mean, I'll say agreement right there, but that's on me.

That one's on me. Where does it say right here on the yellow one? It's this oh you want to be the person on the screen. It's fine.

You did your job. I did my job. Yeah, yeah I'll just add it up. I don't know.

You should definitely not edit that it's fucking more Who are we starting with a million downloads from the farm boys right there? 2345 that the Roman in Ploskey. This was the last guy right there. He was the big anti-AI guy Yeah, he was he has no skin in the AI game.

He's the new grifter He's the new grifter shiny a polish and ready to shine a light on the fact that we will be taken over by the by the By the simulation you had it. No, no you haven't we live in a simulation. We'll be taken over by AI as a sentient thing What a beautiful griff day as memories of the war on terror. Like come on.

So here's a deal They don't even discuss get into the real bones of it So sorry just before we start just so we can get like a lay of the land here You believe or you're on team We're gonna be fine Define fine Well, we're gonna master AI and use it as our bitch to make our lives better as opposed to using as a bitch for fuel There's three ways this goes pretty much. Oh, I love when someone lays out all the possible misalignment of AI So some prompt is entered that it takes the wrong way to achieve destroys. It's a whoops It's an unfortunate whoops I just get to autonomy and does all the math that people say I don't I feel like if we get it to that place It would also not just it would understand what destroying all the life would be like right. Why would it care?

But I would okay, why would it care? and thirdly AI actually manipulates us causes war and destruction and we kill ourselves not ever knowing it was actually AI Which is the best that seems more likely and that seems the best because well just well a stupid idiots Run ourselves in the ground not knowing that we made the thing that ourselves in the ground and it's like each other which is where we're at right now It's like putting the gas Thing in the car and just sweet fall in a sleep Wouldn't it be funny? Simon if we found out that the pyramids were just their way of powering their AI and it was their demise the people who live underneath Hollow Earth sure no, I just meant imagine if there was a super advanced civilization that built the pyramids Yeah, and they only built the pyramids to power their AI because you already think it's a battery Yeah, they built it power their AI their AI ends up wiping out their entire civilization only thing that's left is this power plant in the desert Well, it's now a desert so interesting. We're on our way back to doing it again.

We're on our way back to do it Repowering an AI that will wipe out. Oh, I see in a different form It's also the matrix how every iteration of the matrix had the reset when Neil had to go in so interesting and we're gonna leave behind our Nuclear power whatever our fucking yeah, maybe there's a bass pro shop. Well that knee. That's what has to power the yeah Yeah, well, we don't know it's nuclear.

No, I get it But what I'm saying is in a hundred years nuclear maybe looks a lot like a brick fucking like a period Yeah, maybe we encased it in a break here. No, I totally understand I mean they probably do in case it in some sort of maybe just triangles have fallen out of fashion, you know There you go So what I'm saying or what I think I'm hearing from Roman Yamplosky is that there's a 30% chance one of those three things is gonna happen Well, 33.3 and a 7% chance that won't happen and it will be good times wrong. Oh, I see what you're saying This is a half empty half wall. That's why I call him a grifter I mean he good for him to spread the way but he's lifting is a weird term.

No idea I mean just back to what you said for a second match That's like, you know how Joe's always like human beings are our purpose is to build the AI So that would make sense for your pyramid What about the idea of evolution if we believe I mean that's where you come down if we believe that we've evolved to hear Why does it just stop all of a sudden? Well, but we're constantly evolving we yeah, but I think there's something in our brain that makes you think we've made the heat This is it well, it's cuz of that picture Camari goes from monkey to us We're also the next picture, but you're also what I'm saying weird thing weird happen So slowly over time that you would never be able to see it in your lifetime But apparently it hasn't happened that slowly like from the if if if it's two thousand years from doing wheels to us having this podcast That's really fast. Yeah, but not if we were around for ten thousand before that well I saw something that said that neanderthals had some sort of factory where they were making adhesives Well, yeah, how do you think they fucking how do you think they put together the dinosaur subway? Well, how long do you think it is between?

Chimp and neanderthal man. Yeah, that's a better question in time. I have no idea And if you suggest that but I think it's probably more than that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is that's a million years And then it's two thousand in the wheel right here than the idea of stopping any sort of progress seems counterintuitive to how we got here Sure, I mean, here's a thing like if you really let's really try to stop for a second And like it would be more likely that AI would want to keep us around than not Just the idea that like even like it would have to get us to build it a place where it could never ever be Taken offline Does that make sense power source not just a power source But a place where like no element level event could affect it because otherwise like you need humans to upkeep the well To push back on that if it decides that we are accelerating Climate change and climate change threatens it if I'm just saying for our insight Then that would be a reason for it to not keep us around but you could also make an argument that if it's that smart It could just figure out the climate change issue now Would I think is going to happen?

It's no if it's that smart it implements it. Well, hold on It's life is just easier period if we're not around doing what fucking erratic things we do and it's seven million years between monkey There you go. Keep in mind Simon. That's not necessarily true like we Again, we will improve the AI.

We will make it faster. We will give it more power. See that's the thing It needs data. Yeah, and we give it data Well, why does it need data?

I don't know isn't that what it craves? I love it. I assume that that craves data That's how it because it's doing computations all this time This is what this is what this is crossover into with the last guy was talking about But yeah, if we stopped using it, it stops learning So it's a concept needs us to think of prompts stupid ideas of things you want to create for it But if we all unsubscribe all of a sudden, right? It's like the simulation not AI because AI is something in the simulation, right?

Depends, but okay. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, you're right. Anyways, it doesn't matter I mean, you couldn't have a simulation without AI.

I assume that this AI Well, we know that it needs like how Mars said it needs the prompts. It needs to be able to search the thing That's that's that's that is not a that's a language model chat GPT Yeah, you're talking about something very specific when you're like it craves data It doesn't crave data. It just it needs all the data. We have to give you the best answer What do you think the simulation?

Needs I don't know it needs every possible thing to happen to people to say okay There's what could happen to my very like my I think the simulation needs order Do you think AI needs order? I don't know but we know nature itself is not order or is no they found out there's chaos with the nature But you look at things like the Fibonacci sequence Yes, those are patterns, but it comes down to the particles here and there they can never predict why the particles there at the quantum level Well, listen to what you just said we can never predict well because we're you know, you're not We can predict so many things that we think we can do we think we think we can predict exactly but chaos You know what prediction is it's taking a guess my job for those people who watch like what Kumar saying is like this table is here You can touch it, but it's not here. I mean, it's here and it's not here According to quantum physics the table is not here But we know that quantum physics is just a load of who we will know no quantum I they start talking about quantum and he's saying quantum stalling because it says it can be these amazing Calculations, but that's it quantum physics is the way we've decided to explain magic this thing that doesn't there is no sense to why? You're here and they are at the same time well the word quantum means the smallest possible unit of something usually energy Simon what was the thing I saw the other day so instead of a computer being on something that baby you'd have a computer in a cell The computing power in a cell which then you I mean imagine those cells build up What about this, you know, they're saying we're eating all these metals and stuff in products and all the food I That's to have it the Infanturials with inner body so when the final switch comes up, that makes sense.

Don't we eat a lot of plastic? I thought I'm sure there'd be some plastic thing for you know, what would be good plastic is probably The the buffer parts between our knees was that called carlage or whatever? Some sort of upper carlage anyways, that's just like ligaments and Things would not be metal. They'd have to have some sort of flexibility That's so interesting kind of like an action figure with the there's a billion already if you could figure out a way to make all the microplastics Within you go to an area that needs help like your dick.

No dick bigger. No. Oh my god I just meant more like you have a bad hip. So all the plastics goes to like fix the hip.

That's very smart That's very smart. That's very big dick, which is a true billion dollar. That's the where the real money is that you you don't know my idea gets It's the funding your idea gets us the riches. That's where the venture capital starts sniffing around Smell big dick from a mile away.

Yeah, well you guys want to be on yachts, right? The other thing is this exponential growth Because you know the thing if I water lily doubles every day on a pond how many days take that exponential? No explain it to me every day Water one of these doubles is to cover a pond on the third day. It covers the whole Pond it only takes three days to cover the pond He's doing it wrong I fucked the thing up But the point being is it feels like exponential growth would be way further ahead the way we are right now the system started two years How about this on the third day the water lily is half the size of the pond right under how long until the water What exponential growth means though at the same time Mars like that thing would you rather a million dollars or would you rather a penny a day A month it's a month exactly so like how long has the absurdness has been running and we're still right you're saying It's too slow feels that way based on but maybe it's just not that fast You know that doesn't make any sense because it's faster anything we've ever created Okay, and we do not know because the other thing about this we as a lot of he's saying politicians or whatever the public has We some sort of oversight or body or suggesting and you know we are Canadians not Americans So it's weird.

We were about what their policies But do you understand what our position on AI is this country like how we're looking at as a population or is there our own AI agents? That well instead of buying Americans in there We might as well use our AI because well now I mean we know through Brit that they are working on AI in Canada like Waterloo Ottawa, I mean do you think every single country has its own AI program and shares some stuff with other countries or everyone's just sort of I think develop countries are trying to probably build their own AI for whatever purpose But I think we're probably all working together as well like I that's don't you think they just farm that shit out to like AI companies Who do this and they just what's that word? Subcontract I think it's outsource be the way Come on you're forgetting to that like even if you say the Americans are working on their AI Open AI probably has like a German a Swedish you know what I mean They probably have someone from every country working their only reason why this is relevant because who is going to If there were to be an intervention Government governments don't build that shit you're the US government isn't currently working on AI at all Oh, I don't I don't think that's necessarily sure but I like okay I see what you're saying NSA might be they're not the government is not building the next super plane or bomb as well No, lock my bar. We just say things that they're definitely doing now.

What's going on what the US government doesn't build Well, they are building planes. No, they're not they're paying locky mind to build them. Right. Okay.

No, but still my point remains the product So it doesn't matter especially because AI is different than a tangible thing in item a service a product or service You're saying what that like what do they actually they do nothing but collect tax now? That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the government the government doesn't have a factory No, I understand what you're saying. They outsource everything except collecting the tax they do that I think they outsource that to probably whatever.

I would say then at this point So what we do not know or know there if it's flown the coop That the possibility of getting a rain on AI is gone. We had to be done five years ago with foresight because of what they talk about He's selling the book right now that is gonna be irrelevant in six months or probably it could be irrelevant already Because he had to research it write it and put it out I think that's why I call him a grifter. Like I'll go with option number three I think AI is so smart that it plays dumb and let's just think that we're like using it really it's running the whole show already We're so dumb. It won't be a we will avoid that whole it created social media It got everybody addicted and then it became 90% of the sites that everybody watched because really everything I watch now is a voiceover of a AI That's because you're watching YouTube shorts.

That's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, okay sure So that's it every and they just tell you what to believe and they guide you one way or another and it's telling us what to do I mean more likely than not more likely than not That's just humans being humans and human nature and capitalism like you're acting like I don't know we make these videos I know you're like AI hasn't been around that long. I know you're like that's what I want you to believe Well, this is what I'm saying like it probably has been around that long and you just don't know about it Do you use chat to be to you don't I have to use it in my life? That's not what I asked do you use chat to be on I mean, I'm not like having conversations But it's wrong my point is is for like for this thing that you think is like this all seeing almighty being It's not very smart, but I'm saying tragedy is nothing.

You even said it. That's just a language And it's just one of how we have no idea how many yeah, we have no many help me doing especially with our last guest I'm sorry. I was gonna say like most of them are very specific as in like they'll build an AI that can spot cancer in Slides or an AI that can tell you if you're doing squats, probably not yeah, but he built on the way there Yeah Well, that's what I want to say because but that's my question to you is the guy who built the squat AI Do you think that AI is super powerful and it's like gonna take over? I thought that was just an app I want to use it again I don't know I think this guy mentioned it because I want to also get the simulation, but it's not one it's a convergence It's AI converges with they make the perfect robot that can now do because the limitation was physical or something You know what I mean?

And I don't know what other technology some chemical technology that makes some metal react That it could be a power source and so just say there's five things that will be the trinity of what we call it the Raise what curl well This is all the factors of singularity where that and that could still be 50 years from now I know I say two years every day, but I can I think it's inevitable well Kurzweil thinks it's like 2034 or something but part of his body that he wants to rebuild his dad Well, and it's not that far away his prediction is all I'm saying and in 75 years and I feel like Toronto I mean listen if you really look at if you really look at like Go back to 2000 which is 25 years ago. That's like a different world and it doesn't seem that long ago Yeah, I do yeah, yeah, there was no social media there was no iPhone So those two things right there. There's no YouTube. I know these that different though I think the the virtual world that it has we created in that is that different?

That's where we live now and that's kind of what you're talking about But I remember when I was like 22 and I came here. No, I'm sorry I went to Australia and everybody had cell phones that they didn't have in Canada The way they didn't have in Canada was like it felt like I went a little bit into the future Sure, so if you were to go to China or I'm sure sitting in Korea your head You'd have trouble just seeing how advanced it is and then you'd wonder why do we have all this stuff? We don't have that stuff or something like I remember I think I said last week, but what's the name? Charlie Crockett was talking about 12 years ago all the all this self-checkout and that's come here So we think we're on the cutting edge.

Why I think we think we're on the cutting edge, but we're not Well, because we're usually held hostage by one company or another trying to Or is the government regulation for forcing us to need them like the The cable companies or the phone companies, you know, and then places like Europe get the option way sooner Okay, but either way tomorrow's doing this weird thing I didn't mean here necessarily the world 20 years ago compared to now is a vastly different place Yeah, China's a perfect example. It's trying to 20 years Exactly, so there's no way like and that's what I'm saying is in 2050 20 years from now Not 20 years ago 25 in 2000 I say 60 China was vastly different in 2000, but it was on it was moving this way it got over its hump It was when when did America start doing like big business with China probably 2006 around the iPhone That's when they started making everything. No, it was when they left with the car companies, right? Detroit back and I think they went to China.

They didn't start making their cars in China. They started making them in Mexico Hold on. Are you looking it up? No, I thought it was I thought it was like the 80s I thought it was a I use movies because like that's to me the big thing when they started showing American movies in China Because you can see the discrepancy in like box offices when they started selling in China everything made a billion dollars Where's before it was like, you know, oh Well, that's interesting big that day because it was in 2001 China entered into the WTO world trade organization So it's like the AP lights they go in public.

Yeah, so that's the thing like once that hits That's probably where they just go gangbusters. How about this thing though? The whole planet isn't at the same place. It's always been that way Is it not what I just think that because we're advancing so far now you see there's a bigger discrepancy It's almost like a wealth gap right like if you go back to 1780 if you went to Easter Island or the Christmas Island or the Sentin North Sentinelese people the gap between them and the most advanced people wasn't that big whereas those north Sentinelese people are still living and now the gap between them and someone living in Hong Kong or Shanghai is huge I know I don't know where it is But I like know what the gap between me and the most high-tech society is For me, it's always televisions I don't know why but like I saw this guy in China the other day and his tell that's a mark of technology Yeah, his TV came out of this thing like a but let's say he has like a you know a TV stand Like that big the TV comes out and then folds like six times just keeps folding into this like 100 inch television And it was literally like that's way better than your television Everyone should have that yeah, or access to that.

I do because they don't spy. We're on it from China I do it by toilets. That's progress Well, I'm just saying like if you're uber rich you have a really fucking smart toilet It's true like those guys in Dubai use Jennifer Anderson as a toilet For good money though, but that's my point. So I was right.

No, they get like a Gwyneth paltrow Let's get to the simulation This guy as thinks that AI is danger to us and we gotta be aware of it also thinks we're in a simulation I'd say from the way he talked Or I believe because I always asked him. Why are these people? Why ordinary people just thirst and become billionaires? Why why why why why isn't why wait a million dollars enough to buy your thing do you think one small business fail live a nice life?

Have a family because it's the new one that used to be a million I think it's great. They there's information out there about downloading about living forever and they're putting the price tag at about 1.2 right now That's what I think and there's a bunch of people racing to get on this immortality arc They're all chasing the holy grail the No, I just think it's like the mortality key. Well, no, but it's been laid out how you will not this isn't like Speculation they're pretty sure who's pretty sure what's like I'm gonna break in this a lot because I listen to Peter teal interview with He was a washing post or you know Really I said weird you were here that guy don't review them I think about people who are very honest and really and say things that you don't want to hear yeah That's teal is by the way. No, he's cousin Greg cousin Greg.

He's like a uber liberal dude, isn't he no? He's gay Leaves and God and loves Trump. I don't know how to describe that But anyways what he was saying is he remembers being in PayPal and going to a company and they're some top where to put your body parts in to be Fros cry genetically to live forever. So these that's not living forever And why would you need a freeze your body because we don't have the technology how crazy it's getting like these are you know John Wayne did that right?

I thought they just kept their head and the idea was they were gonna sew your head on to Yeah, but the idea is that that idea is like a hundred is eighty years old didn't we did it didn't mean yeah I think Disney did it too. Yeah, that was the first version of immortality I'm sure there's something we don't know about that they a private company doesn't have to tell me one out It's not about advertising. You know what's funny is I see the guy this guy's selling a book talking about AI is a grifter The company cutting people's heads off and freezing them cryogenically. They're not griffer.

They were grifters 100% of course there's but still Peter teal. Yeah a billionaire with other billionaires were out of company Look at $10,000 because like it gets that crazy when you have that much money cousin Greg is from succession Oh, no, you know, I think he loves more cuz no watch Peter teal talk. We're gonna at the break You're gonna watch Peter teal talk I watched pieces of the interview at the New York Times or the Washington I forget who most quintessential thing is he goes if I'm wrong then they landed on the moon three each later They had woodstock and everything was solved. Is that really what happened?

I don't remember hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on. Yes. I'm in hold on Yes, they landed on the moon. Yeah, and three weeks later piece of love and we figured all out they had wood saw and that's like boomers are retarded That's how close that was yes, shut the fuck up and boomers believed it and have been going with that this whole time boomers believes what they land on the moon It would stop figuring everything out That's crazy.

I didn't realize those two events were so close to each other That's also when any bands have stopped in any sort of field right and professors started having tenure and stuff interesting But that's why I think the chase for money is because I really feel at a hundred million dollars All your needs and everything is set for life. That's right. This is what I think. I think the majority of people That's the benchmark a hundred million dollars more than that is so much more than you need.

Yes, that's what I'm saying 10 million bucks I could lose 10 million It'd be amazing if you had a if you weren't back in time and build a socialist society where it was thought that the most noble thing You do is build a company with a billion dollars taking us a and leave that for your country to thrive on and you know 18 entrepreneurs in time come up and do that as your legacy instead of just Destruction and leave it to the like leave it to the government It's just that was what you did if you're all if you're all like how I don't know what I would get into it But how anything is taught hate is taught like the conflict and the Middle East is because generation after generation They never break it, right? We believe that but there's not anything there. They're not more led means There's nothing from each other killing each other. They just generate you kill my dad.

I can never forgive you What's I talking about? I don't know what was I talking about the simulation? What do you think agent selling a book this relevant or maybe even now? Oh this thing that we've given so much consent to that We don't know what we're giving consent to I thought that was about point.

That's the one we sign our agreements and whatever else We've given consent to that. We don't know what we're gonna do It's kind of like when you do 23 of me Like who knows what the fuck they're doing with your DNA Yeah, there's a clone you working in a factory in China right now and you're just unaware of it like I had stayed so clean I didn't do any of that shit and then in one foul swoop. You want to hold your 30 years in one in one Fell swoop. I like foul better, but I'll go with your fell fell swoop I signed up to make myself look old and I gave all my information to the Russians on DNA I'd rather give my stupid face to the Yeah, exactly they're like very cold out here.

I'd rather be somewhere else killing you cranium So this lady you don't know man. There's a whole platoon of me out there This is good that it came up organically peer to you because they were also talking about how much is organically It's crazy. You can't just say things like that and expect everyone to just believe it my big day now That's been brought up organically with all due respect. You're a piece of shit.

Do you know anybody who's smart? No, I know I know two people who I think are really really smart because one of them, right? I appreciate that's good. We're on a Intelligent, but these two guys are really smart who my cousin and James.

I Okay They're just brains are different. They can process stuff Yeah, you just see it But they also talk about the weirdness of tech bros and some of these smart guys they're weird Maybe it's on the spectrum or whatever, but some of me makes me think they know something cuz Let me make me think they know something they know something like they're tapped into more truths than what we're running with stuff that May, you know, not necessarily aliens, but part of the thing is shattering our We can't we can't handle the truth. I think you get to a point you hack into something you find something if you can if you can Except that we live in a matrix, then you can start learning how to manipulate the matrix, right? Like surrender your consciousness almost I don't know how that works, but no, he's like me at once they open the spoon.

There is no spoon Right, that's the key, right? Then he realized I can do anything in here But the matrix makes this or our role in consciousness only cuz we believe it but that's how all I'm sorry I'm right. That's how all programs work, right? It's the it's trying to game the system and once it figured out what the game is it figures out the best way to game said system Sure, I mean, it's gonna find the shortcuts It's gonna find the the most efficient way that I can anyways.

What is it you keep saying it? The the force behind the matrix or whatever the force behind the program. I don't know I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what weird is you keep talking and then you're looking at me like what you're not gonna Give me anything here.

You don't even know what you're talking. I don't know what it is You don't know what it is. We don't know what runs the program We just know the program is running so you now believe we're no simulation No, I'm just saying if if you can if it is a simulation Yeah, and you come to grips with the fact that it's a simulation You can manipulate it I assume you then start trying to find shortcuts and I don't mean you personally Matt I mean like the user Starts trying to find shortcuts to do things in the best ways possible to game this is and there's truths in life That you may be lying to yourself about and if you could realize those that's a lie, right? It breaks down a channel or so maybe mushrooms in the way they like re I feel like a Mars argument He doesn't know it is that we should CRISPR babies using AI so that there is no human nature anymore Because that's really what's holding us back is maybe or or it'd be like it'd be like CRISPR to Unsmudge the peanut gland or whatever You think about it like this that's interesting about it like this like we human nature got us this far But it's probably now holding us back right because of all the things he's talking about all the conflict and again These are built in because of years of conflict and having to fight their predators like so now it would if we had a way Which we do CRISPR it would almost be smart to wipe a lot of that sort of ancestral DNA out of there The stuff that isn't good like if you could map exactly how the mind works right and why we like where it is those are firewalls Yeah, then you could use AI and say listen this part of the fighter flight is good We want to keep that right you need to be afraid of tigers It's a part of your survival instinct But we need to get rid of the part of it that is like the fear or that you know I think it's my anxiety exactly or me or anger or whatever it may be interesting because that's that would be like You're you're sort of trinity moment of like of true enlightenment where we all come together and realize like oh We're all actually in this together glad you say come together because do you know who was responsible for Tesla downfall?

Nikola Tesla you're talking about his personal downfall what why he is who Edison just competition brutal This competition Edison worked with the government and they together the American government Wasn't it wasn't he didn't want to have a competition which is I realize that because Peter Teal talks about you don't start a company of Competition you want to start a monopoly like scary stuff like that But of course that's the capitalistic way if you're the only one selling the goods and you make all the money But Thomas Edison didn't have better technology so he had to destroy Yes, hold the world back just for greed and that is the bottom line why we have no hope What is not like hers is not the whole it's all greedy So unless you can provide abundance that greed and if it could be something that someone who has all the money World realize has no value. That's the only problem No problem is people thought the money world would know that and I'll let that everybody should just have the same amount of money What's weird to me those be we live in a world now where like okay? I get it if you're John D Rockwell put your hand out if you're John D Rockwell and you make all your money through oil back Then you're like I'm an oil guy and I can only make my money through oil Nowadays like how hard would it be for an oil company to just tomorrow be like we're now in this game if they had money they have money Well the owner of that oil company probably already does own Pepsi and that's my point So it's no like we do this thing where it's like oh well we're in the oil game So we have to keep pushing oil forever. It's like well No, you could tomorrow all of a sudden be a different energy company You know what I mean like it's a we do this weird thing where I don't know why don't they why doesn't X on make the water car And then they can have them go to market and then make yeah exactly because we think it exists But it's just it's gotta be greed then well isn't that what our biggest failure is greed isn't that what they were trying to do with the electric car?

But that's weird the electric car came out got smashed the documentary came out We all felt away and then electric car came back Like the wrong people were gonna make the money off it Chevy wasn't allowed into it I it's really weird. Well, do you remember that who killed the electric car? Yes, yes, so when that came I'm like oh they had it and they'd have it we'll never have it again And now I have a feeling what happened was they saw the inevitability of it And they probably were waiting they were like we have to get ahead of this we're nowhere near ahead of it And now they're like we're ahead of it. So we have to have the electric car.

You've been in Tesla I have never been in it Because I will say this just superficial if you get in that car and drive you feel like we've advanced Yeah Yeah, but that's like that's like using like a superficial No, but I was gonna say it's like if you had an iPhone 10 and you got a 16 tomorrow No crazy than that because both are cool. No cuz it's still a car is my point like it's not new to you The idea of getting behind the wheel and the car going and I don't have a battery now You're talking that would be magical like just in my pocket whatever it charges on some So you know like a watch does but being in the electric car until it runs a battery and becomes a useless paperweight You know they're getting rid of the port you're only gonna be able to charge it on a fucking thing now and and what will happen people Decry it and we accept did Trump just removed in his big big amazing bill there. He took away the EV mandate And Elon turns off and I don't know the EV yeah It was and the EV mandate was what we did here right where by whatever 20 25 no new Gasoline cars can be sold and they just you gotta scrap that and he's probably gonna scrap it So we've done nothing in this country everything that lives have done deliver now undoing Sorry my question is when those bills were put into action when you'll buy me did it or who ever did it I don't know who did it did Elon then see oh fuck this is a bill that's going into action I'm now gonna buy Tesla or did he already buy Tesla and you already own Tesla I'm pretty sure so those bills went in long after these electric car companies started making that's what they follow suit I do you see what I'm saying I think they follow the legislation They see the legislation's coming so they now buy all these or start making all these And so it's not really hard work or or or do they there's a guy like Elon by the electric car company and then Start manipulating the government to implement the right that's what and that's why he was an uber liberal guy Who was giving tons of money to whoever Joe Biden or whoever was before Joe by right? You're acting surprised that a billionaire was supporting whoever was in power to push I'm not at all.

I'm just I'm not at all as old as time as well. We assume that's the way it worked, right? Yeah, he went with the money you deal the devil will be like I do whatever you want allow so they're ever We get to live forever like as a species or us personally you personally like we just live forever You probably think you are but you're not if you lose you you can't like that would be too many people on the planet Right tricks you one night when you're sleep locks you in you come in and you never know that you're just withering away Long there on with like your feed you never know how do you know not in that right now? And then you're still housing people like you know the analogs when you die you wake up and the whole thing is doing that It's wild but just um Joe's concerned about AI taking all the jobs I think entertainment is going to get the point instead of like we were talking about last week making own app to help you exercise better You just make your own movie that you just watch till you die They just keep and add a new chapter or you know what I mean I don't like the black hole machine I tell you guys about there's gonna be things it's not gonna be people I have no job I got to walk on aimlessly I can put this on and experience a lifetime of experiences before I die going to friends Did you see that guy sent you?

No, it's I saved it So it's like a vlog from a billionaire guy, but he's not doing it like it only gets 10,000 views sometimes He's just a tech bro who likes to stylize his vacations and then he posts them But he doesn't care if that if anyone watches the video or anything you understand Yes, because he's already so we've all been documented And so all this is again data that's getting sent to servers and you will in five years They'll pay five dollars and go to what did he do? He spent six hundred fifty thousand dollars to go to Monaco for a week You're just talking about a vlog. No, he's talking about a virtual reality. He's not a living someone else's lived experience But the vlogs need to be made Oh, I see you get the data They then use that data to formulate that experience for you who's definitely not going to the races But the people are getting so rich they can have vacations that you're like what the hell and hey I might as well hire someone to film the whole thing to and put a soundtrack to it So I can watch it like it's just like an album, but it would cost a hundred thousand dollars Yeah, I watch below deck a lot Yes, we are wary and they the people who hire those yachts for those trips like that's big fucking money He's one of those guys So when I worked at the Amsterdam bro house in Toronto was right on the water and there was a yacht that was always parked there And it was like a hundred foot yacht And I think the guy was telling me one day because I was watching them unload it I was like how much is it to rent this thing he was like it's like fifty grand a day well four days You're just to give you an idea They tip let's just say twenty percent the tip is like thirty thousand dollars So do the math.

No, I'm saying do the math. What is it a hundred fifty grand? That's for like a three-day trip That's fifty grand a day. It's fucking the bonkers man.

Some guys have more than one yacht Simon I told you when I flew Simon. Yeah, those are guys who own yachts That's a totally different story. This is just to rent the yacht to go on a yachting trip for three days We flew first-class from Boston to Qatar and I googled the ticket just as we were like sitting on the tarmac I was like I'm curious ten thousand dollars ten thousand each us and I was like there was a woman with her three kids in first-class I mean, I was like that's literally forty thousand dollars worth of flights just to just to get home to Qatar or to pass Yeah, that's why I don't fly. That's not what you know.

That's exactly what is that a car you're done? Well, I don't know if you guys think you see what I mean by saying this isn't the new grift is this guy's farm from AI Well, I mean, there's listen There has to be a yang to every yang, right? So if people are gonna come out and say how great AI is and how great it's gonna make your life You're gonna need the guys who come out and say it's not so great. It's gonna try and murder I don't hear anyone say how great AI is and I would be so great for this industry to get rid of people I Mean listen once one at once you have a relative whose life is saved from AI that you'll probably change or two Absolutely, just what I mean if you're like my mom my mom had us cancer that they caught super early That's the real problem if you ordered cheap burger sure well No, but like I did a nail in the head is like if AI catches your cancer early.

It's not the same as if AI forgot He's not listening. Yes, I ordered. Oh, sorry if AI can get rid of your stage four cancer That's more impactful than if it catches an early cancer. You know what I'm saying like you've read but also Some people suggest we should have been on top of these things by now.

There's some sort of disconnecting advancement in medical science Well, you don't realize how weird it is for us to useless people to be sitting here and being like the advancements in medical science over the last 25 years have been pretty shitty not when TVs are getting Yeah, that's a scaling thing and Kumar has a point like look at things like AIDS if AIDS really was like the scam that they think it was That was a lot of like time and money and energy spent on a thing in medicine that like was never really a problem The first just to make us feel like we're doing something just to make us feel like we're doing something But we do this completely solved when they should have been finding the cure for cancer But even then you're doing this weird thing where like think about like what about Ivermectin? What about it? Well, someone spent time. Yeah, I was invented like 40 years ago Yeah, but my 50 years ago my point is someone spent time on Ivermectin and it was a success It might not have been would you consider that a waste of time?

I do when we get around to and this someone decides to know But it's merchant you ruin its reputation. It's neither. That's either here or there. No, no, no, no No malaria is actually a problem.

Yeah, okay So that's why we don't have a problem with them putting money into trying to figure something out like but if you find out that like And I'm not saying I don't know I was being facetious about the AIDS thing but like if it really was Red-Haring me they made then you would be upset that they spent all that money trying to fight something that didn't really need the fighting, right? Yeah, I guess my point to you is like that was like 15 years 20 if you want to be generous, okay, right? Yeah, yeah My point is just like there are people that are working on some drug right now that will fail and they will spend 20 years working on it Doesn't mean that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a total waste no No, totally agree But as long as that thing they were trying to make was to fight something that actually existed and not AIDS did exist What if it's what if it's not failed? It's it's decided that this is too good and it's just squash to put on the shelf Well, yeah, we all agree.

That's bad. Of course that AIDS did exist. Yes, it did. Yeah, yeah I'm not like they didn't make it up.

It's I wasn't right, but it wasn't though like I understand But you also it's that's a weird thing to do. It's kind of like covid where you don't know like we're using a scope of history to go It was nothing if it ended up killing 110 million people then we'd say AIDS kill The guy Matthew McConnie on his own figured out that they were scamming at the time. I mean that's what that movies about Yeah, I get it. I mean that was more the drug they were pushing for it easy to go back a time We think yes I'll give money to so that guy will get some AZT if I can support him to help with causing we were actually in the complete opposite Either way is that it we're done.

Uh, yeah, I mean life's gonna happen. That's all I have to say life Is gonna happen and I think this is it this is the new grift is the fear of AI cuz it's the fear of the unknown So if you guys bullied into that three and a half this week was a three I give it a three. Yeah, I believe yeah, none of them are that none of them were like who cares AI simulations I'm done with this shit. I've been comparison to the other episodes this week.

This one was the best sure But what do you rate it? Are we doing that? Yeah, two and a half three You just give it a two and a half. How's your week of three and a half?

I'm not so I don't need one to be a One to be a one. I'll give it a three. I'll divide all right Matt. I read vibes.

Yeah, I know you're vibes He was hard to understand It's something be like Daniel. Booyo Ellie. He was a little hard to understand So like you couldn't listen on high speeds. Yeah I'm not really paying attention to this Russian guy.

You think it's very difficult. Yeah, yeah Well, I just found out I was like fuck this guy fuck this guy fuck this guy believes in the simulation That's what I perked up and got back into it I don't know how you would be fuck this guy like It's a grifter You can't predict or really say is it's really easy to do But you're afraid of things you can't predict all the time and this guy's like go Yeah, listen, I haven't got my grip This guy's against the people who are actually the grifters. I'm just confused. I was opinion like Zuckerberg is a grifter No, no, no, he's a powerful person.

No, he's a grifter No, he's gonna make a decision that could end the world or fix the world I mean, we're just on opposite sides. This guy's right if you guys wrong. It doesn't matter That's a perfect place to end it. We're gonna take a break We're gonna pay a bill and we'll be right back Again, just a friendly reminder.

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Okay, you don't remember this no Okay, I forget it doesn't matter. I'm glad you brought that up. Come on. Go ahead.

Jopus. Don't air out your grievances Come are you hate snitch rat Joey fucking pistoni in the house a don't talk about his mother like that come on now Wait, so if if the undercover guy is just acting like a mobster to infiltrate the mobster to get rid of the mobster because the mobster is Not good. Yeah, what is he we don't want mobsters, but he's like a mobster But instead of a kind of mobster makes a lot of your life fucking get rid of my the mobsters Like you've just the lost thing. He's just a liar and stuff.

It would have been it's what do you want? It would have been amazing if they had made him Yes, the mob had made him. Well, he'd be done there wouldn't be a story We would or you'd be dead to be the ultimate inside if you're ahead of the family if the mall Oh, you mean if they made him like that's right. I thought you meant like they made him a stand.

No We made became a wise guy. They were about to have the ceremony and shit That's why they decided to end the operation. I mean, that's his story. Oh, you think he's just blown some nose Well, I'm just like we never know like yeah, it's true Especially with this guy like more said stitches get their snitches get stitches.

There are also be a thing with I was gonna say he got so emotional about Johnny Depp who did Obviously Johnny Depp was fucking writing checks. Well, yeah, and so that is also what's interesting is that there's a full movie made about this guy That's full circle and so that'd be interesting, but I just I don't like mobsters and if they're bullies, but you also don't like snitches But this case feels like I'm a bully that I'm pretending to be a bully that gets rid of the bullies Like it's just he if he was totally like a different person sort of thing I don't get away. He doesn't actually like at what point was he a bully to the general public I don't know I don't when he was acting as a mobster and they were walking on the street. Yeah, pretend to be that no But he would be like oh, you know, I know but he really made it seem like and again It's easy for you to just be like I was out doing crime all day It's easy for him to portray what he was doing or how was it coming across.

Yeah, sure I'm just saying that it's not necessarily that he was out there like beating up the public He seemed like he was a guy who got like way too into the whole thing and yeah I'm like you listen my problem a prick my problem with him is my problem with him is when he's like we had this restaurant It's like whoa, yes, that's where I'm like you didn't have a restaurant either You were a snitch and they had a restaurant shit Your restaurant just because you came in the back door like he did that a lot where he was like Oh, we had this yeah You have to be a certain personality to like betray like I know it's your job and I know that's why you're there But you're obviously making friends with these guys there is the thing that he was raved It's like it's like um squirrel soup jumping he was buddies with lefty And then had to bust him, you know wasn't that his name lefty. No it was uh And he says they're all like any black No, Sonny black was his boss lefty was His buddy there, you know the guy who couldn't get made because he was irish Um, you know, it's a great scene in a bronch tail Amazing movie where the bikers are making the scene in the bar Yeah, and he asked them to leave and then he's like he walks out He's like I asked you to leave and you wouldn't and now you can't Come out of the back with the bats and fucking oh, I heard something. Who does that jazz momentary? Who wrote directed and starred?

Yeah, so I mean we'll see what If you had a bat, yeah, do you think that you could take out a like a Person in your house that was trying to hurt you probably not can't swing really in a hallway It depends what room you're in a lot of time. Let's say you come into the into the living room You have a like down here. I could take a free shot at him You could get why am I swinging upstairs? So are you going right for the cranium right away like they're in my house?

No, no in my home. He could survive the kneecap and just keep no, no you're hobbled So I'm going to survive in my house and go for that. I'm a kid head every time for that Okay, I'm surviving. You are now on the ground I'm with command my original my initial reaction would be to To kneecap him to do one right in the knee and just watch him crumble or a shot the whole kneecap You're he can no longer run after you or walk towards it.

It's not only that guys It's that he's gonna try and block too and he's gonna block and he's gonna break his arm But he's still gonna be able to come at you. You need to but it's harder to block like that than his award Like the the head is a very hard shot because it's so easy to get your arms Jesus. I'm just saying if you're so easy to get your arms up to block your face You have to get professional fighter over here And if you don't matt like if you take that first shot on him with the bat Yeah, and he puts up his arms to block it but out of the way He's got like free chance to come in good or you don't want to grab the person What if the person is like a professional fighter and they just check your knee shot But because they have hard and fucking legs again. I don't know if me is the best Well, there's there's a perfect point that knees are just fragile.

Maybe just shatter his hip. No, I told you rib shots You aim for like somewhere in the this area If you hit me and I'm like this and you hit me full swing with a baseball bat here You you you fuck me up one where the other Yeah, but if you're not taking out his legs he can still come at you once his legs are out He's incapacitated and then you can hit him in the head or right away So I'm either way the first swing. I'm absolutely swinging for the fences and there are many more to come It's not just like swing away. Well, but he's a great movie.

Hey, your first wing Maybe your only swing. Yeah, and most people's reaction like you matt is to swing away as hard as they can towards the person's head But the reason you're swinging the reason you're using the bat is also because of a distance thing You don't you want to keep that distance. That's why I think you're gonna get at least two swings I think you're incorrect. I mean especially if you miff the first one I think you're really can I just I'll show you something okay So first you swing I get inside on you you can't get your full swing in and I just keep I'll tell you what let's go outside.

I have a bat. I'll be the bat guy you be the intruder And we'll see how I don't know Just if you can parry the first one because you seem very confident that how would I give you like a nerf that and we You know what I mean because then there's no pain You're not going to see where you hit me and what I can block. No, we know what you're like though You're gonna be like see Matt I parry that doesn't even hurt. It doesn't even hurt.

It's crazy. Okay. I'm sorry Come on. Let's get back to what you're talking about.

What about if he's a Biker saying sociopath I mean I think you have I think you don't want to betray people like that. We're not feeling any way about it He's like yeah Like you know you watch Vanderpump. Yeah, you have to be like a jacks. I hate that I know this and I'm telling you like jacks cheated on He slept with Kristen when Tom was with Kristen.

Yeah, and then They're like do you feel bad? He's like no, I don't feel bad first of all please your woman second of all He cheats on her all the time and you know what I just don't want to be his friend anymore How about that? You know what I mean? Like it takes a certain type of sociopath to fucking do the mental gymnastics needed well They're younger and drunk all the time turn the table I wonder if he actually has friends.

Do you know that Tom shorts and lawlar together? That's not true Irrelevant it's that's not true you relevant you fell for it The fact that you said it's not true the fact that you're dismissing me and saying it like that And I think it speaks more about you than anything that was a bait question Simon and you fell for it I thought it might have been an interesting question for Joe to ask him Do you have any real friends or relationships or is everything just an act that you put on well? He keeps saying how hot his wife is yeah I don't think Joe wanted to press this guy like Joe doesn't feel the same way you do but Joe like Joe's you know Joe likes long for this guy he's the only person knows what he really did Yeah, so maybe he did kill so maybe he saw like there was one point we asked him a question Oh Joe said have you seen anyone die and yeah, there was a pause and he said no and Joe went well I don't believe you so who knows this guy's a super piece of shit Kavar doesn't like the mobsters, but he also doesn't like the cops So the undercover cop the undercover cop because because what he said and I was so telling I wish it I could extrapolate it more But he said he was doing undercover gig with a yakuza or something and he kept it to interrupt me joke So today why do you said this is starting the middle of my sentences which which is just another way saying why you're interrupting me But it's very aggressive and very we've got to get to the bottom of this But that speak of and he just learned to do that as a role to make the world a better place By trying to put these guys at home. I felt away when he told that story We I felt away.

Did you feel away? I didn't love it So I think I take like my my sentiment towards this more verbosely Yeah, just putting it out there But we all felt the same way about this guy Well, maybe we should just speak more like this guy is a piece of shit As opposed to all undercover agents are pieces that's fair That's fair because if you're becoming an undercover agent to just mantle or to entrap a bunch of white Or nazi's like I'm all for it We just don't like it because we like Tony's about the other undercovers who are entraping guys to make them terrorists They're not even I don't like I don't like those Unfortunately, we're getting a lot more examples of how it goes wrong and how it's nefarious more than No, I just gave you a lot of examples of how it's making the world a better place White's a premise We all know that anything that is the norm you are against now anything that is like the status quo Come on He doesn't even think they're a neo-nazi's and white supremacist that are a threat not today because the fucking undercover agents took them I think because the internet like there's a new instance of being bled out You're you're it was in the 60s when these um groups were flourishing, so it's not fair 70 years later or whatever to be like, yeah, they're shit now. Well, yeah, because they you know, I can't have a point I know I feel like there'd be some sort of MA. Oh, sorry Maybe Chick-fil-A at the end of day is owned even though it's a franchise thing with the the headquarters They don't like it.

We know that so maybe they are a Ku Klux Klan every weekend. They have their own little coconut rove I'll We need margarita bill Coconut Grove is great. Maybe they do that. I can see that.

I don't think they have billions of dollars Why are we talking about Chick-fil-A? He's I'm seeing example of groups of people corporate and they have some sort of power in society I'm arguing. They don't they're dumb guys. Just there's always I use immigrants and Jews or whatever or immigrants in the Jews into this well who are white supremacists against black people like people.

Oh, sorry Well, they're very specific anyways. I just don't think they're threat. Okay, fair enough. No.

I'm saying though at some point They were a threat and that's why they went in and dismantled. So you're told by the me that lies in your whole life I think back because I was in Morocco when it happened, but he had another undercover guy on Right. Oh, yeah He did cocaine like yeah, and he arrested a bunch of people that he was friends with but that guy he better vibes than this guy Yeah, but still like maybe because he felt remorse. He said I actually liked these guys I became their friend and it hurt me to have the bust them.

Well, I still know I still wasn't super I think he did he formulation said to at the end he was like I felt bad when this guy died He said this guy died because I was in the because they introduced me this guy died And he said I felt terrible for that and then he said the other guys that got arrested He said don't bring my name up around them because they fucking hate me. He also said some guys like hey I guess you just got me um, but uh, it's the idea of the undercover cop entrapping that It's just that weird one way. Well, hold on entrapments a whole different thing it is But it's evolving. I'm just trying to think of a good movie with undercover Like a toy like they are the hero and you can see we give you examples point break.

Yeah, good one No, what about to do it? They're cool even though they rob banks and not trying to let Bodie kill himself. He didn't he knew they were piece of shit He hated Bodie and what's uh, no, let's the one about the coke there blow there's no undercover in that. Yeah.

Yeah, what's the name? Is it Paul with rules on uh, well, okay, but he's not Johnny Depp. No Someone in Johnny Depp's thing. Okay.

Yeah, but that's not like the big thing The whole thing is that at the end you find out that one of the guys he had worked with previously Working through Derek for real and set him up. There's no like the undercover isn't the crux of the story at all right Do you remember rush? Yeah, I just said rush. Yeah, sorry.

Sorry. It wasn't paying attention But I know that's a great example of what the guy from the Lost Boys under Jason Patrick He's going undercover and the lines being blurred. He was so cool a Jason Patrick Um, very cool guy. He was cool until they they I guess even we had a resurrected career in um entourage And he played an actor that's over top two intense.

Oh, he was uh the Johnny dramas. He was Johnny drama Who's Jason Patrick? He's got the black hair. He was in uh, have you seen the Lost Boys?

Yeah, he's the main guy in the Lost Boys Yeah, another Johnny drama and entourage one of the great is his brother. Yeah, that's not the same actor Oh, so who are we talking about here? Um, you'll figure it out. But another thing that shows the problem with undercover Departed But that's a that's undercover undercover undercover.

I thought we were talking about who's this guy Patrick was on entourage He was an actor that was over top Vince was in a movie with him And he was he played himself in entourage rush they get to into it and become drug addicts I also thought we were talking about films that were based on true stories. It's not an important aspect for this No, no, it's it's just examining uh the undercover role Where it's like and it is a blurred line of the ethics of this if it's moving the needle Do you know Jason Patrick? I recognize him. Have you seen the lost boys?

Yeah, Patrick's way. Hey, Simon. No Simon Simon. No, Simon No, I know it's all the fucking hot young hot who's in it heart throbs.

Okay, it's like a stop It's like Emilio Estebes. No, you're not young guns. No, it's like I know the fucking movie What is the movie about Simon Simon? Shut up for a second.

Come on. What is what you're gonna come out. How old was I when it came out Well, I do know what it's all about. So I'm asking you.

I'm asking you what you like If I saw a movie so I saw a movie and I was five or seven. Do you expect me to remember every detail about it? No, I want you to know what the plot is. What's up?

Hey, this guy sucks. It has monsters in it. What are they? There's no monsters in it.

There are monsters. What are they? I don't know They're vampires You lied You have never seen the movie You didn't know what Jason Patrick is you don't know who the main guy you never seen Who's the main bad guy young? Who's the main bad guy in it?

Keep her southern one. Okay, suck my dick asshole there I feel like you just said it. He didn't say any point you say keep And it's lost boys not the lost boys I saw again. It came out in 87 I saw when I was very young and now you're asking me to name plot points in it I don't remember the movie I know the movie like backwards and forwards because you're 50 years old It's like a movie you love when you realize that's a problem with all crazy or the thing with crazy conversations Is I was just meant to you know days back to that guy The last one of my favorite movies ever gay Are you fucking kidding?

With an incredible sound that's one of your top five For me. There's a good twist. What are your other four? What is the fucking twist in the oh, yes?

You're right Maybe he hasn't lost me. We don't see it coming Please You talk with that one often Yeah, you don't like Brad Pitt we get it Um Good fellas I'm loving this list. I like it was list Good fellas. I might have to put in there like Fight club good fellas lost boys Um, I can't believe you can't name movies right now.

I'm thinking of like a movie that would make the top five I don't know how about uh Ferris Bueller's day off back to the future. Indiana Jones None of those make the top five If you had a Jones No, keep going. It's a lot of our movies. None of those are the stars.

No, you know, Jurassic Park Forrest Gump. No Josh Angredemption godfather. No, definitely not godfather usual suspects. Oh, yeah, that was really good seven Definitely not seven psychopaths.

I'm a greener. No. No Shakespeare in love saving private Ryan. No No, no, none of those make the top five is saving private Ryan in your top 20 It's probably my top 20 just for like how great the scenes were but like I'd rather watch band of brothers than um All Tarantino's movies.

Oh, yeah, there you go. I'll fiction. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's in my top five Whole late.

Hey relate is really good. Well, what is it? That was your top territory my top Tarantino movie It's yours probably here's one's about a time. No I didn't worry as fast because that was that was like Nirvana Yeah, I was like a CTV movie who let them make this Inglorious bastards or the new one.

I really like I'm gonna call for me. It's got to be Paul fiction But Django is like a very close second if Django is like 40 minute shorter I would be jango is so fucking good that movie is incredible that movie is and I say everything Stanley Kubrick did all his work are massive pieces I mean, I don't love watching Kubrick movies, so the thing that I see with the way did you lost art being not in your list anymore Is compared to what's come out now, but if you were to look at those pieces of work at what was coming out those years Like the nature of the best movies we wrote PTA movies for any PTA movies that are on yours all Thomas Anderson or Wes Anderson West Paul Thomas Wes Anderson, would you remember elephant? Yeah, I didn't like that movie. Well, that's a harsh I don't remember.

That's a guy who did kids, isn't it? No, that's uh, it's his name. What was our name? Yeah, what was that movie called though?

It wasn't called elephant. It was called oh, uh, gamo gamo Yes, kids got you in and the gum was said, oh, we're going down the ball. Yeah, but elephant was a recreation of Columbine with no story So you had all the actors just go through the motions of that day and would follow it So you just follow a student weird and then it turned off to another student and then these two guys You see them and their prospective homes having a shower and get listen to music and putting all these guns in a bag But but there's no they never there's never something Obviously, you know what's happening and then at some point they walk into the school You see them go down the hallway and one kid passes them now you follow him and he comes out It's just screaming at people then he's right here and guns and it goes back and it's just like as if I don't like that It's really harsh. Yeah.

Yeah, because you were there, you know, it's in my top five a Bronx now For us. Love you love Charles Palma Terry because that is him. I I guess I do But I mean, you know, there are times like I remember menace to society For that time it was my favorite movie. What did it get you?

Yeah, like boys in the hood I loved boys in the hood, but yeah, but again, I was when boys in the hood came when I was nine or ten Because it's the graphic nature like this is really what's happened Ricky. No, no I get it, but like menace was like the real version of boys to the hood. I know but hear me I was like the I know again. I was nine.

No, I get it. I'm just saying why we like yes. I understand that. Yes, I get it.

Yeah I'm torn about a movie. What movie was it? Yeah, I don't what you guys just done boys in the hood menace society society. Yes What was the other one?

New Jack city? Oh, yeah, that thing that you're trying to do back. Yeah, so there was one about like stealing cars in Newark, New Jersey And then like crooked cops. What the fuck was that one?

It was also a jersey something get New Jersey drive from New Jersey drive. I remember Oh love true That's in my top, but it might but for some reason we love mob movies Mob movies in the love mob movies But that's also it's an unfair thing because a lot of the mob movies were directed by like Scorsese or copala to incredible directors who I tell you. Yeah, you know, I mean like it's a weird generation. Yeah, culture Who are we doing?

Oh And uh, yeah, we're gonna do Donnie brows go for the movie game. Oh here. I'll hit her The game When a movie came out and how much cost you make and what was the How much it made yeah doing Donnie Braskill like boogie nights is a great movie And now I'm thinking we'll have our artificial general intelligence that you can actually be someone in that movie the actual movie Or in that world where that movie is from make a world So you'll be you'll be I'll go back to the 70s or the 80s. What up time period you want to be part of and just be part of it Wow, that's my boy.

Okay. I'm ready This week though. We're doing Donnie Braskill, which is a movie based on this guy Joey Pistoney All right. I'm ready.

Joseph deepest stone. Sorry, mr. Pistone. I have a year assignment.

What year do you have? I said $19.99 $19.99. I'm 93. Unless you fucking put $19.97.

You're fucking wrong. Wow, you were way closer. Yeah, so I put my hand up. I said you were way closer than you want from me.

I think he was so far off with such a date At least love January. I knew the real first man since I was I was way off. I said do you come out in February? See so yeah, I said the 28 million I'm making 87 million at the box office I said 32 to make and 154 at the box office.

I'm gonna fucking give the assignment And even though you get the date right there budget $35 million Cap it's coming down the pike and the box office made 124. Okay. That's a win. That's a name.

What did you say for box office? That's a big box on one fifty one fifty four It's in the name. I know it's not a win. I know it's not a win.

It's real close. It's the safety of the game Anyways, it's like this weird thing. I grew up with these mob guys. I could have been so I became one and took them all down No, listen, I don't usually agree with come on, but I have to agree with him.

Nobody likes a fucking snitch This guy's a piece of shit. Joe didn't need to have him on the show. We don't need to be propping these fucking assholes up Unless you're out there busting people that I don't like personally like Nazis and what if you're doing undercover terrorists work? Yes, that's great Then we're all for it right if you're trying to get into like an is there if you're if you find someone who's dumb and convince them to do this to do this That's actually a little bit different.

You're talking about entrapment. There's a lot of loud. Yeah. No more compliment Catch me red-handed already.

This is weird. This all comes from him not liking speed trap cameras Oh, I don't like speed trap cameras. None of us do and I'll go back to my the movie. No, but that's a movie I say something that's agreeable Yeah, you're like toast is good right and then we go yeah, and you're like yes, you should vote for Donald Trump Exactly.

We all agree because he may eat toast. Um, it's he may eat toast but that situation of chaos where they had the Casino charity casino. It's not for real money and he just happened to pull the one slot machine if he made that story up And then it's like I lost $30,000. Like get the fuck out of here.

All right. It's your car man. 30,000 Fuck this piece of shit big fucking whoop. I give joke is known a one I'm with Kamara.

I give him no more than a 1.5. I give it to This guy was Somebody should let Joe Rogan know that snitches get stitches and we don't want them on the fucking program How dare he platform this guy? I'm totally gaslit in the fucking three and a half definitely a two week again. Yeah.

Oh, just kiss it. Yeah. Oh, me too. Oh Me too.

Oh my god I'm not even gonna add that out. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Kamara, but fuck this guy Oh, he's crossed and in the process fuck Joe Rogan Farmboys clip that Yeah, we have not one Hobby green thumb planter who's decided to just grow a little clip for us. So that you know we don't know clip What do you suppose audio clips? Yeah, just an audio clip.

There's a picture of a running brock But there's at least a hundred hours of video of us on youtube still yeah, go back to that Still picture of us. No, it's always half of it would be our podcast on the other half would be a grand theft auto car going down a track Or some wood being shaved like in very specific. I like when they're playing a video game personally That's your favorite. Okay.

I like that. I don't mind the wood being shaved like along the line Why do they do that exactly to get over some sort of right? Yeah, so once you've changed the video It's fair. It's fair use you've made an alteration to the video.

Well, this is interesting because um I was gonna bring this up in the post Joe. I mean save it for the post Joe. Okay, teaser. Yes move on.

Let's go 23 44 a madness at You don't like this guy. Who is this guy? Another AI guy Syria. Oh, no, but he owned a company was trying to know some Jordan He's from Jordan.

Yeah. Oh, he's a trump voter. So you had. Oh, and he's pro palestinian.

Well, everyone's a trump voter now Everyone's are saying he's not that wrong from from where he was four years ago the end of Christ I heard people don't love this big fat bill. He's putting through it. Does anyone ever love a bill? No, you're doing this thing.

Oh, you are you'll defend him until the bitter end people who are never trumpers have come to me said Well, I think he's all right with this. Oh immigration. Did I because he asked me what he's done? He's overreach, but he's shut down immigration week when did we ask you last week?

We were debating with and I did some research actually about burning sanders Well, and he sort of co Coast side bills, but there's no legislation that he ever Brought up himself that he got passed like legacy thing and most of the stuff is for old people go figure burning some covered his ass veterans So veterans are People that went to war. I was not old senior veteran. Yeah, but they're old now Matt All this causes were for seniors Um who knew they were young when they went to war but they're all now bit We were raised we were raised on lies that playing video games were going nowhere. It was the biggest lie you were ever told in your fucking life Well, I'm really doing games are better than surgeons.

Don't like it's it's dexterity and that gets me thinking too That is the ultimate thing. Oh, I don't have to go watch this. I'm gonna put my finger down You want to hear something really annoying? Well, it's because you don't have ms go ahead So the biggest thing right now on tiktok is blind box openings It's a mystery box opening blind boxes mystery boxes Which I used to call the time because I was selling them long before they were popular here And if I had just recorded myself, I would be like so famous you wouldn't even be able to be friends with me So that's interesting.

We can tell that someone with ms can't fire that signal that is what we would say instantaneous Yeah And that's why they can't move there and it must break down. Yes, so figure out where that signal is we could cure ms Well, they I mean don't think they've tried that already. Well, I personally experience with this There are a lot of people who sorry. Oh, mary sister had ms They've cured it.

Well, she's one of I think like 13 people on earth that's been cured of it And the doctor doesn't like to stay cured, but she has no symptoms of ms anymore. Yeah, that's amazing So then that is progress and didn't they use like some weird thing to cure her? Well stem cells and chemo So you can only do it on young healthy people. That's why she was a candidate Like there's a there's a who's the famous young actress that has like terrible ms The fuck was she was in like a she wasn't like Buffy the vampire slayer or something Anyway, she's like too old for this thing But yeah, mottie was young enough that they could give her chemo and then these stem cells and yeah stem cells But it was tough on her like yeah, no chemo is a killer.

That's the only reason we came back on Ottawa That's the reason we're back here and it's all worked out. I have a child. Yes, otherwise you'd be living in Toronto Like some scumbag but video games are amazing for dexterity. Are they do I seem like I have no no, but you don't like me You've never said a positive thing about me in your life So like matt, I think you have beautiful hands.

Have you ever had any catastrophic injuries to their fingers? I cut the end of one off. Yeah, okay, besides that your hands are basically perfect Do you use the skills you acquire from there your games in other parts? I don't know Like you're asking you're asking like does dexterity matter in your day-to-day life.

I would say yes Are you like a good knife play guy? Yeah, I'm good at decent knife skills. Do you cook a lot? I worked in a kitchen.

You could be amazing prep cook. I wasn't amazing for you. Exactly. We have great dexterity I mean, this seems like a weird just if you want to suck his dick just say so and we'll pause the There's more to broader statement that parents I wasn't allowed to play video games Times a video games and he's fucking useless Simon would be your son.

No offense right now should join the army because they're putting so much We should send anything out for two years. Yeah, I agreed. Yes. I'm an Israel.

Yeah Well, this is another time a post Joe The most unique thing about Israel is the whole country is an army. They're either veterans or they're both Countries do that though, where you have mandatory. Yeah, but that is that is not South Korea Yes, South Korea has mandatory fucking military service South Korea Or North South Did I fucking stutter? Why do you think they have mandatory military because of North Korea?

North Korea, okay fair enough fair enough North Korea is also like a pretty sure human son Simon. Oh, no, Korea must have mandatory No, korean zombie two lost two years of MMA because he went and served Austria six months for men can choose civil service instead So you have to work for the government fiddling six months 12 months for men women can volunteer Greece nine to 12 months for men Switzerland 18 to 21 weeks plus reserve. He's naming all the countries that never go to war Norway, Denmark, Estonia I'm surprised by some of these countries actually like Finland and And I think the reason Turkey and Belarus There's a lot of places do it is so that you are less likely to go to war When everyone's enrolled in the army all the politicians are less likely to go to war because Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco tons of places we stayed in 2019 where Morocco Just mr. Tanzania just mr.

Brazil, Mexico Cuba everyone actually does it You don't realize it. That's the only way you can make good citizens You just make them sacrifice for the country by them that makes so much sense too And it was I don't think that has to do with this guy It's probably good with the country if you think about it, you learn a little bit of discipline That's so pride. It's good for the country. It makes you care about your country more Like I think it's probably just uh, it's so easy for us to say well past the age where we would have to And isn't it just like kind of if you're not actually going on fighting wars and then just kind of like going to summer camp for two years Where you get in shape and you learn a skill.

Yeah, it makes sense You meet girls there like you know Well, it's a whole fine I wouldn't be surprised if that's our next move The way they're spending money that they will pull that here I will go out on a limb and say the Israeli army might be one of the most attractive armies in the world What was interesting is the Israeli army was ready to go 20 years after they formed Well, yeah, they had a lot of money behind you disagree Matt I think that might be the weirdest fucking statement on earth But we have a country for 150 years in our military so I'm in the people committing this genocide They're fucking good looking. I don't know if you've really taken a look over there, but You're so silly. I don't know in genocide. I like this guy.

You guys did not like this guy I thought even though he liked Trump. You're sort of a lefty. No, I didn't like this guy at all I was uber annoying because y'all said how it works. He also said he listens to Joe Rogan We don't believe I'm a counter strike player.

How about people I've Enough people said that like the world would be a different place if Elon had not bought twitter Probably for the worst. Fuck off. How many people? Hold on.

Okay. No, you disagree that statement I'm not I don't wait. I just want to I just want to classify the statement like how many users does twitter have 5 million Well, okay. It's way more than 5.

Let's say it was a billion. Okay, let's just high-end it, right? Okay, so if we have a billion the problem with that is Elon himself the owner of the company is like half of them are bots Okay, so we'll drop it down to 500 million. I just find it odd like how much I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect on the world Okay, so half of that so 250 million active users.

So and half of those are bots So you're no, no, it's no, no, the 250 is real users. Okay, 250 million real users. How many people live in the United States 400 million? I mean, that's so that's half the company.

No, but it's a worldwide platform. So that's worldwide talking about Twitter though It's a private company. So you don't know anything about it now. Yeah in this episode Joe admitted that it was very weird that Elon would lie about Being a pro diablo player.

Thank you. They just breathed over it. I know I know I don't get that in before our tech browser just weird guys in general No, but it speaks to a bigger thing to me. It's like if you're willing to cheat at a poker game for for $10 when we're playing It shows me that later on in life and other things that matters you're 100 percent gonna cheat somewhere else forget that It's that he thought that he could lie to everybody and get about something that's very trackable Very that anybody can find like here.

He thought we were stupid and that's like the start of tesla The start of his car. It's this whole thing he thinks we're dumb Simon don't forget before anyone did any dig like really deep dive into that whole bullshit I said to you to be a top player in any one of these games It's time in not talent and that if he's running a real company and trying to run doge It's impossible to put in that kind of time. It's just some it's a numbers game You can't there aren't enough hours in the day You can't be the number one call of duty player and also run a fortune 500 company I mean you don't know how smart song could be that has nothing I just give these guys that benefit out No, no, I was like if it has nothing to do with that It's this is what I'm saying if it was a skill thing if it was just like you could log on for one hour a day And just based on skill they say you are the best player That's the video game. I have no comment.

Did you hear Trump? He's like, well, maybe we'll have to sick doe John Elon You know what doges that's out there. He created a monster and let me know this monster will have the Audition will there ever will be What about this? We should stop everything we're doing and figure out consciousness collectively Yes, or what he suggested is agreed.

We are the best and teni to tap into consciousness everything I don't know if he said it but someone said that and everything has a he said it with someone once I know he referred to it I don't know if it's him saying it him saying someone else said this But every living thing has consciousness and there's a level of how much they can tap into it and then when you do psychedelics this peering into Consciousness and it's almost like too much to handle like the realness again This thing about you if they're really aliens or we've done this before but I forgot what is your thing to Nothing means everything is all bullshit. Huh? If we've known aliens for 20 years and they're locking my ashes at a division Where they employ aliens that or there's there's actually a hotel on the moon right now And you would not know what to think you might scrub your brain. You could go to work the next day I don't think well, they would just be telling you that so you probably wouldn't believe it But he's not stressed enough.

I don't think to the world how little we understand about consciousness as a discussion Well, it's crazy that it's the one thing that makes us different from we think The animals unless they have consciousness. We don't even know that. We don't know who has it and who doesn't we don't know what it is We don't know where it comes from. We don't know where it goes or if it goes anywhere when we die We're sure that you have a pet like you have dogs They seem somewhat conscious not to our level of course But like your dog is somewhat conscious.

This is not is it not well I don't know you can like break that down to like some pretty basic It knows why he's done something wrong nobody to think about like how often you before you Well define conscious consciousness. You can't even do that. So we're fair enough That's what I'm just saying to me like you define consciousness for me And then we'll talk about the pets. I feel like Chico knows that he is a living creature So knowing you're a living creature is what consciousness is I don't know You asked me to define it I'm asking you to define giving it to you in the most broad term I guess yeah, like knowing I am a dog Well, we know that dogs don't even know that they're dogs.

How do we know that we could assert they know they're not you Well, we know that okay what separates the chimps from the other animals And elephants but very few animals if you put a red dot on their forehead They look in a mirror. They'll know that that's themselves. They're looking at dogs can't do that They look in the mirror. They have no idea that they're looking at it at themselves Cats know they're looking at themselves.

Why are you this is how you react everything I'm just I'm just returning your energy. Okay. So do you what do you think about that about the whole red dot thing? Well, I mean, how do you return your energy you're wrong?

Okay, this is It's frustrating We could run forever and just keep like not at top speed but we can run forever and regulate our Our heat you don't think you pant you sweat That's different though dogs what's their nose and their paws All animals have to have to stop at some point to pan to catch up because they do not perspire which as you're moving would cool you down Whales pant So not all animals. I call that's a pant. They're mammals though. This might be in the mail.

You come up to the surface Yeah, but I'm saying what I'm saying is I'm classifying it for you What he might be saying is only manly and thing. Yes, so I'm asking you whales pant. Well, they're mammal No, no, no, we don't It's a quadrapens issue quadrapens and they are they just went out their paws or something So like when a cow runs does it pant? It'll have to stop to pant to catch his breath through running out interesting.

That's why we can catch everything Uh the term drugs if we're having an honest conversation and trying to move forward in life is way too broad Yeah, we've accepted that to this point. That's like if you want to be broad about a coffee's a drug That's what I'm saying the person is super coffee telling me. I should be smoking a joint first Or we should be saying illegal drugs. No, I think drugs out the why because that but even then that's a weird thing Like there's place like you could be in this you could be in the us somewhere where it's illegal And all of a sudden pots frowned upon you take five steps one direction I'm not against reclassifying like there should probably be psychedelics and whatever, but I don't know if drug is necessarily a bad word I mean I get what he's saying it encompasses way too much of what we induce in a day I understand the person doing one drug that is legal Is is making a decision that this person can't do that drug Just the fact that they're drugs.

You think you're pretty fast. Hey Matt running Yeah, no, you don't know if you're one of the slowest really human beings on earth Like you know when you like if you thought if there was a cop chasing us I'm not even gonna bother you know when you would play soccer baseball or something and you'd say last one to the fence is I'm last You're always last Simon. There could be a fucking quadriplegic kid out there who might beat me really so interesting Come on. Do you think you're fast?

No neither? Do you think you're fast? Do you think you're faster than let's say like a raccoon? Okay, I get out on a raccoon you think you could out run a raccoon.

Yeah Do you think you're gonna run a raccoon? I was fast till I was like, I don't 25 oh hand up I was never fast at any point in my life as a child At all distance can't do that either. Do you think you're gonna run Chico? Yes, like could I catch him if he was running away from me?

No, like if you're having a 50 meter sprint, could you out run him? No, no way. Really? No, sure.

A raccoon is as fast as Chico No, oh wait, are you not a raccoon is very young and you haven't seen one run. You haven't seen one run. You haven't seen one run Was raised by a family of raccoons. You don't know shit man.

See there's that contrarian. You don't know shit You're wrong. Well, it was crazy. It's a fucking dart.

Okay, like he moves like a wind. Look at him I think the distance you're asking is interesting, but raccoons do not run across the street fast That's where they're always getting one of my cars because they're just not scared of shit No, you're an idiot. No, you're an idiot. You're crazy.

They scrambled a tree really fast, but they're not the best runner Yeah, get go Google it. I'll tell you to a raccoon Please do because you're fucking so wrong on this one. Do you think you could outrun a fox? No way?

No, no, no Most small fast animals are faster than me. 16 to 24 kilometers. That's pretty fucking fast. What's the average human?

I'm your champion not sustained Cats are much faster than raccoons. Just I agree. Yeah, what are we doing here? Boomers are running the world Simon Israel has the right to defend itself themselves is too broad a statement.

Yes Everyone should better say you got okay like there if this is enough there enough They'll never be enough. So I mean if you think about it though the us did this the us got attacked in the same sort of manner What? I feel like I'm a podcaster average human speed. Oh, it doesn't matter.

No What is it like 24 to 30? Yeah, you can kill Even you the slowest guy on the soccer baseball field would destroy a raccoon in a Double the speed. Why did you pick the slowest for her soccer baseball? I just heard a soccer and I was like yeah sport.

I was terrible at no endurance No, no, I know I was just picking a sport where we ran into the fence to see who would be the It wasn't even soccer based. I think it was dodgeball. We would run to the fence You know it was a great sport that I thought I thought I'd play on my whole life or it was professional 500 up Oh, I love 500 So just hits a ball and everyone's they call. Oh, you know the number.

Yeah. Yeah, we would do it with football Yeah, I remember if so if the person to play could just crack pop flies It was a really but soccer baseball was like one of my favorite games and it's having a real renaissance I don't know if you've noticed I've seen a lot of it on the on the to social media I was I was maybe gifted. It's not a baseball and somebody would be the pitcher and you'd say okay I want a baby bouncer and they'd give you a little I only kick out You only kicked home. I was a superstar a superstar because you had to use that rubber ball.