Episode 5.23: We get a lot of mileage out of our values discussion with Rafael

National Odometer Day sounds like a joke until you follow the math hiding in plain sight. We kick things off by unpacking what an odometer actually measures, why it can help prevent mileage fraud, and how it connects to geometry you can feel in your hands.From there, our conversation opens up with Rafael del Castillo, CPM's Executive Director, as we reflect on five years of the More Math for More People podcast, the guests who’ve shaped our thinking, and the kind of math education community that forms when people show up ready to share. We also get real about remote work versus in person time: some work can happen virtually, but values clarity, strategy, and deep listening often need space, presence, and patience. The heart of the episode is leadership and strategic planning through the lens of healthy tension. We talk about values that pull in different directions, why “both-and” thinking matters, and how leaders can listen to learn rather than listening to respond. If you enjoyed this, subscribe, share it with a colleague, leave a review, and tell us: what tension are you trying to navigate in your work right now?Send Joel and Misty a message!The More Math for More People Podcast is produced by CPM Educational Program. Learn more at CPM.orgX: @cpmmathFacebook: CPMEducationalProgramEmail: [email protected]