Episode 5: Fashion As Art | Émilie Hammen & Elizabeth Way

Is fashion art? Curators Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Arturo Galansino discuss the overlapping histories of fashion and art, and how contemporary designers are reconfiguring fashion's place in culture.   'Art, going back to the Renaissance, is emotional. It's intellectual, is apart from the body even as they paint are painting real life.' says Way. 'The Pre-Raphaelites and the arts and crafts movement took high art down from the wall and put it on the body, in their homes, in their lives.'  The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.  About the speakers  Émilie Hammen is a fashion historian and director of Palais Galliera, Paris. Elizabeth Way is a writer and curator at the Museum of Fashion, Institute of Technology, New York. They are joined by their host Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.  About the Frieze Masters Podcast  The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).    Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.   Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.  Listen now on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.  Image: Issey Miyake for Pleats Please and Yasumasa Morimura, Guest Artists Series No. 1 printed polyester dress, fall 1996, japan. Gift of Issey Miyake, Pleats Please Issey Miyake, Guest Artist Series 1, Yasumasa Morimura On Pleats Please ©The Museum at FIT