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Episode 50 - Brinnstar! - XPlicit Materia

Hello everybody, welcome to explicit material, the podcast where a nerdy drummer talks with friends old and new and today is one of those new friends because this is the first time we're actually meeting in person because this gentleman has been following me on my live streams and I don't know how he met his either Instagram or whatnot but he's just been a constant supporter and it's just been so fun every weekend. I'm like, you know what, he needs to come on my podcast because he is also a content creator, like a bulwark of a content creator. He's a musician. He's got a Spotify.

He's got a Twitch. He's an animator. He's an artist. He's got he just got so much stuff and it's all great.

It's so funny and like I just I need to have him on. So here he is. Everyone, please welcome Brinsar. Hi.

It's an honor man. I've been following your stuff for a little while. I saw you on TikTok and I was like this is I follow I try to follow like all like musicians and cover artists and things like that especially video game stuff and I just I was like this is awesome and you're like you had a live and I'm like yeah I gotta be there and it just it was just really fun and really positive and it just was like I just kept coming back and now now it's like part of like oh it's Monday when chain on it. I mean it's just I greatly appreciate it.

I really do and then I checked out your stuff and I'm like wow this guy's got really good animation and also really good music like you can't be both. You can't be like a good musician and good at writing songs and also a great animator. You can't do that. That's cheating.

Yeah. I mean okay I'm gonna pull the curtain back a little. I'm like a sample artist. I don't know how to play the tune or do whatever.

It's all samples and stuff but hey it's okay. However someone writes music because you know I've been down the musician path and I've dealt with DJs as well as actual musicians who can really really play their music and I you know like writing music is a different beast altogether and it doesn't really matter how you write it as long as it because the point is you're creating something out of nothing. I mean well I mean in some sense or you're creating something out of something but I don't know it's just it's the arts of creation and it's evolved since it was back in you know how old in times where you had just had an acoustic guitar fiddle. You know but music samples have always been like really fast and like as a kid I hooked up my game cube to my computer and I ripped all the smacks and other sounds and I just had them to like to have them for no reason at all.

I think that's awesome. I didn't know you could do that. I had a Frankenstein it was before stuff even made sense. It was like the old Mac days.

I had oh my gosh Linux you know you got a computer just like back in the day the Mac PC wore us out like hey I have a PC and if you said you had a Mac people would like people would like. So true so have you like did you start as an artist before you were kind of working into the like music realm? Did you start with animation first or music first like or do they all know? I used to I used to like run with a group of friends that were like all artists and I drew like once or twice a month so not like a whole lot but I do it all like here and there and then I I spent like a lot of my 20s kind of like doing the concert with a bunch of like just friends and stuff and I didn't really like draw a whole lot and so but like TikTok came around and I was testing how like I've been in marketing for like 13, 14 years like as a graphic designer and so I like I like I have to know about social media and stuff and I have to be on top of stuff just because I am because I'm a nut.

I people started talking about this thing called like TikTok and I'm like people won't shut up about this dude saying what is this? So I had to get I had to get under the hood and I started just recording stupid videos and one went like really viral and it was the dumbest thing I ever made and I was like well if I wanted to go viral I want to be for something I made not like oh look at this thing. It just never always works like you know I talked to all different sorts of artists and musicians and whatnot and they're just like it's always like their most popular thing is always something that they didn't even think about. They didn't even work hard.

They just like put it out there in the universe and sure enough for some for whatever reason it took off and it had a life of its own. Oh yeah and so from there I was like you know what I want to be better at art because I'm not at the time I was fine I didn't really wanted it to be and I'm like this is a good excuse to kind of like draw all the time and like just kind of build up together and I kept going and I kept like I started with sketches and I was like can I put more time in to like maybe I could like color it and like this looks good but can I put more time into like inking it like this looks good but can I like color ink and shade it and so it's just kind of like I kind of optimize myself to where it looks it's like it's like it's like a sketched inked color shaded and I like screw it. That's awesome that's awesome that like that happened it when does that happen like when did that start really 2019 oh wow 2019 I have like a full compilation on my on youtube channel I have all of my 2019 stuff which is like 30 minutes of stuff I've done in the 2020 which is 30 minutes and 2021 is 49 minutes and that's all all my animation there's no breaks oh they're about like music okay so music I've always been interested in music and I started playing with this pro this game on PlayStation 2 called I don't remember what it was but it was like you took samples and mixed up and I'm like this makes sense to me like I have no rhythm at all I can't I can't rhythm I can't I can't play DDR I can't play like Megan I can beat Beatmania beat Saber I am the worst the worst at it and so this puts samples in like for me and I was like oh yeah the drums are on time wow imagine that like a lot of like real deal musicians would look at that and be like that's not real music or and then they would you know like they didn't take the time to you know but they took the time to learn something else you know it's like I just kept going to programs and then I went to GarageBand I did that for a while and then I was tired of telling people I worked in GarageBand so I bought I bought the other thing the Big Daddy program Logic or Procholes Logic thank you yes good old people like hey what do you do music in and I'd be like GarageBand in the ball is that? it's an awesome thing and they're like oh I used to like it too like yes yes good yes thank you yes Logic is the you know the understandable step up and then after Logic then it's Ableton and once you get into Ableton it's like I look at people love like producers that's all they use now is Ableton and I look at it and it just looks like a foreign language it's it's like it's literally hacking to make music but it's great because it's it apparently has it uses the least amount of processing power than any of the doors out there yeah and that's why people use it and you can there's a lot more features with you know MIDI and whatnot I mean you can do the same things with Logic too it's just a little kind of me that's not what it was built for well I just I just picked up Logic to do the same stuff I was doing in GarageBand just so I could tell people it wasn't GarageBand there's like some more samples and stuff but I don't know what I'm doing I yeah I mean you know what's crazy though it's like I can't remember the artists or the DJ this is when trap music was like this is in 2013 and trap it was like the music at the time and we were on it was at work tour and we were on the Spotify stage and we were with all the DJs we were a band but we were like a band the electronic mix you know so they put us on the electronic stage if you will and it was so fun but one of the more popular artists his name was I forget his name but I remember sitting in the bus and I was we were just talking about like we're you know collaborating together because we were a band and that's how we wrote music we wrote music with actual instruments or keyboards or and then you know we would add electronic you know patches here and there and if you would I remember us having a conversation I'm just like I don't know how to do any of that like I don't know how to do like Logic or anything like that I just put things together and they just you know and we were just we like wow so you just that's what you just it was just it was kind of mind-blowing because it was like two different worlds colliding we never did a collaboration I wish we would have but like I mean that's basically what I do is I just take samples and like does it sound like garbage no no okay all right I've got like I've been trying to do like themes and stuff like my latest album sorry I don't know my latest album I'm working on is called Fatality and it's supposed to be like an homage to Mortal Kombat now every key is in a minor key because I want it to be dark and every this this sounds like sub-zero this sounds like scorpion this sounds like reptile I love that they're not official but so I'm finally at like a point where I can like make stuff sound like evil or dark and I don't have to like I don't know it's cool I don't yeah yeah when you're stuff's great like you know at the end of the day that's all that matters and I think at a certain point like I think it's possible that music becomes something it detaches itself from the artists I feel like and it's somewhat everybody's at a certain point yeah I really appreciate that because you are like a real musician that did like the real deal I've been fumbled around with this program doing stuff dude man like I like growing up I always felt like the little nerd in the side and so like the fact that we're talking I feel like like the cool guy and then like the I don't know it's like this two different worlds hanging out well that's funny that you say that because I was never the cool guy I mean I just fell into something that you know my parents were musicians and so I just grew up in the musician well yeah well I wouldn't call the musicians they were singers they were entertainers my dad was an Elvis and is still he hasn't done it in a long time because of covid but like he's an Elvis impersonator and he that's what he did that's how he met my mother and they toured that's what they did okay you tell me they met in Vegas if you tell me they will do it well no they did not meet in Vegas they actually met in Memphis oh good that's better that's better actually met in Memphis I believe it was Memphis or John I can't remember I'm lost in the I'm a terrible son for that apparently but no but my parents did in fact move to Vegas I lived in Memphis last five my dad had a little club where he would do his Elvis show and it was in Memphis it was right across from Graceland and then he moved to Las Vegas and that's where I lived till I was 20 and then I moved to Nashville so anyway like yeah I just grew up in in bands like that life was always around me you know hang out with musicians since I was like little little kid and then I started my own band and then just kind of just took off from there but I never I during that time I was the nerd like I was always playing video games because I was you know when I was a kid I grew up in hotel rooms playing Nintendo and you know and I'm an only child so I didn't really have a lot of people to hang out with and so I was just always I just kind of became obsessed with the the games the stories the adventure in my head and I would use that you know sort of you know in the music always inspired me to and it wasn't until you know I got a drum set that I was I kind of merged the two together and then I would always practice the video game music because I just love it I just love the the games and the music yeah absolutely and so it just never left it but I you know it always those two trajectories you know gaming nerd and musician they just kept you know kept on going and if I had not done the music thing I would definitely be doing more of the you know I would more of a collector more of a you know the gaming sort of side the retro collecting right video game reviewer sort of thing but yeah that's that's it I'm an only child as well my dad is a musician not a musician a magician I can't do any of that but he he he he he sorry I went full porcupig there he grew up like he did magic like as a hobby and then all of a sudden in he was in Iowa just his area just had like a demand for like musicians and he was like the only one so he was the big name on campus for like a hot minute and then he later went into IT but he was like major in entertaining just big entertainer on stage big presence big big mom was in oil so that was a lot of fun well that's that's an interesting little combination of people I'm a major fan of IT that was big into IT and stuff and so growing up I had like one of the first max and like one of the first like fast internet class and so like I grew up I grew up like with Sonic and Mario and all that stuff and the art and then like Mega Man and stuff and so I would I would pick up he's gone where did he go he's disappeared he's a physical shame oh no sorry something was talking to my something is talking about hang on I'm so sorry no you're fine it's a snake I was freaking like a hair or something it was bothering was like tickling up feet underneath here is just a jam as in bare feet if you yeah yeah I was kind of waiting for tarantula and that would have been really exciting oh dear god I'm so sorry continue so yeah so uh so like I would draw the instruction manuals and stuff because like I'm kind of old I'm back I was born in 83 so I was a lot of time on the internet nice good deal yeah um so I would draw the instruction manuals and stuff and then eventually the internet came out I would draw from that and so kind of like technology and my artist stuff kind of led to me be like a graphic designer like I use Photoshop all the time and stuff in Illustrator and I design stuff in magazines and this is going to be me just patting myself on the back for a little bit but it's kind of cool so I've worked with like the Boston Red Sox and I've made promos for them no way yeah it's not really it's not as fancy it's like a just email I mean like and like we want uh an ad and I'm like yep that's awesome dude that's great I've worked with Publix the grocery store I've worked with Ben and Jerry's just a little promo not a huge thing but hey that's not cool that's so I worked for a travel agency that has an ad sale department and so they would go out and get clients and so every so often they were like oh yeah hey uh Boston Red Sox needed that I'm like do do they for me and like yeah I'm like okay uh it's like in Florida where next to like their training center they train like not that far from here oh is that right I don't know that so there's there's like an ad I made is in the ballpark and that's kind of cool so I I do a lot like I have some mild credit to my like name a little bit that's awesome just like I also I also draw Sonic the Hedgehog well let's get it yeah let's get into that let's get it so like you grew up around gaming because you know you just said you're dad's an IT and you're just sort of in that and you just kind of fell into it like which kind of what kind of games did you like take to the most like you said it was like Sonic 2 like I took the Sonic the Hedgehog and like Mario and like kind of the stuff that was like a really quick reaction time stuff and RPGs but like later like I didn't know RPGs were like slow and methodical and like press your turn and you select spell and then they're this little game called Super Mario RPG came out and I'm like I love RPG so good now and then I was like I guess I should buy a PlayStation because this what this final fantasy something some anime character with a sword I guess I should check it out and it blew my mind in half this is the pinnacle of realistic it is and it's like big armpit cloud I'm like look how real it is I know I know that was the first time I ever see saw a weapon so huge which is actually right there oh yeah yeah I got that I got that a Gatlinburg Tennessee where a Gatlinburg is like a sort of touristy kind of place where you can like rent cabins and stuff so we've been there a couple times just to rent a cabin and hang out and drink all day but there's like it's like again like a tourist town and it's like southern tourist town so there's a bunch of weapon shops there's like four or five you just walking down four or five and like a bunch of whiskey tastings and like yeah it's really cool it's a lot of fun if you have it here in the Tennessee area give me give me like two seconds I get better if I show it oh I love show and tell if you're listening to this on the audio side he's going to grab something to surprise me with and I'm going to try and describe what I'm seeing oh my god it says all the sword it's the link it's link sword it's the master sword that's amazing that's amazing you got that a weapon shop I'm assuming yeah I did okay that's how you get it man you don't get it from online you got to go into the shop and I like I was like it was only because I could pick it up and like when I unsheathed it I was like I need this this is mine now I have this I don't what is it yep here's the money huh dude that's so that's great because dude when I bought that actually it was my it was my my best friend bought it because I was actually broke at the time and he bought it for me and he's like here you know you can pay me back later uh it literally that is all steel it's like 50 pounds it is unwieldable yeah I could barely hold it like it's like this is completely unrealistic like this is like cloud is strong that's the thing he's so skinny it's just kind of like this is even more unrealistic it's fantasy everybody yeah it is fantasy yeah I grew up with video games and I kind of have a long story about sonic it's like it's stupid but you tell it do tell that is there there is no stupid I was born in Anchorage Alaska and then i but uh mom's job had her move to Ohio Cleveland Ohio and that was 91 so the genesis in sonic just came out and so all my friends are gone my lifestyle and like you know Alaska Anchorage Alaska has 24 hours of night 24 hours a day and here I'm in a place where the sun sets and rises all the time like an asshole and so everything was like brand new to me and so like sonic was like this goes like it was um it was just fun to play and hang out but then mom's job that she moved to got eliminated the year she was there so then we had to move to uh Houston and so but I took like sonic with me there and so uh like I like all my friends and everything I was just starting to get used to for a year went away but sonic came along with me so he was like my friend yeah that like came along also yeah it was kind of fun because like when sonic 3 came out I was all like a kid like hey sonic 3 yeah I'm freaking out then we were gonna go back to Alaska for like a family trip but it was the day like sonic 3 came out the day we were leaving for Anchorage and I came home from school and like dad had got the game early so there it was just sitting and hanging out for me and I got to play for like an hour and I was like I was time to go and dad was like well guess what we're bringing it with you so I got to bring sonic to Alaska like to hang like I was like me my cousin just played sonic 3 and mean being machine while they did like adult bullshit or whatever so we'll be kids we're gonna do a kid bullshit over here oh yeah so like sonic's like my best friend that like came with me to Ohio and all that that's beautiful because like you know what as a kid to him moving around constantly like I could have like a negative effect on a kid you know so you know we need to to grab on to something that's sort of what I did I mean it wasn't it was a different ability for different abilities it's different for me because my friends were touring but we had a home we never like moved home so I always kept my friends together but I think video games are so beautiful that they can you know especially as a kid and a lot of people a lot of people like they can they teach us how to be good people in a lot of ways and what I mean by that it's like yeah you can go the RPG route because that's actual like legit stories or they can inspire you by you know essentially wowing you entertaining you as a kid because you're not just playing the game you're not just it's not just a game as a kid you're actually the hero in the story you know as you know as you're you're you're you're you are wanting to do good in the game you're never you never play as the villain I mean I mean nowadays you know it's fun to like go back and forth and GTA and all that stuff but when we grew up we were just like these you were Sonic the Hedgehog we were you know Simon Belmont fighting evil you know we were heroes you know and I think that has a good imprint on children as opposed to yeah absolutely the negative aspects of video games a lot of people point out too like oh they uh the violence and this that and the other and I think that's just a constant bullshit I yeah but yeah but between the violence is like teamwork and camaraderie and like people come strangers coming together and working to towards a single objective there's a team building relationship building like absolutely I try to swipe a guy in the forehead but at the same time little jimmies learn how to talk to random people 100% 100% yeah I think just I was so I was so I'm so grateful that video games like came into my life at a time where you know it was a lot of moving around and you know just being around it was a lot of stimulation outside in the outside world just being with traveling musicians it was a lot of fun but you know when you're an only child that could it could take a negative you could feel lonely you know if you didn't have something to fall back to I have a music question if that's okay it's kind of like but okay so whenever I see people do covers they always have to like change the key they're playing in of like the song is different you switch songs all the time but you're not how come drums aren't like in a key like you don't have to like change like well I mean if you want to get really technical they can be Terry Bozio is actually he's one drummer that I can remember when I was actually taking lessons I asked that very questions like do you like why don't drummers change their toms to the tune or the yeah of whatever the song is and he just basically looked at me just because you don't have to because you know when you're performing people don't hear that you know they just hear the bang they just hear the the fun you know but Terry Bozio he's insane and so he will literally do that he will literally change the tune he'll play like he has a million different drums if you've ever seen it's insane like he'll tune his I don't know how many he tunes his symbols I don't know he's just one of those drummers that just like he's a god among men when it comes to drums but yeah tune his you know his okay it was fascinating because you just play whatever song you haven't even heard the song most of the time and you just go for it I'm like what is happening yeah that's a beauty about drums is because drums is it's about for me anyway it's about the it's it's fun it's a visceral sort of fun thing and you know there's other aspects of drumming that people take a lot more seriously I was never that like I took to drums because I looked at it said that looks like a lot of fun that just looks like you know and and being around music and my mother performing on stage while I was in the womb I actually I feel like that helped aid my sense of rhythm because you know my mom was performing on stage while she was pregnant and then the bass drum is like hitting right here and she says she says that I was kicking with the beat I don't believe her I might have been cool though that's cool I like that that's a good story story right my mom was a hippie like scientist photographer that went out into the wild and took pictures of plants and but hey you're in the same sort of realm you know artistry yeah no my mom is a painter not professional but she's pretty good yeah and a baker and she had a little bakery for a little while isn't it funny kind of how like how we grow up to be sort of like what our parents are you know just like we take things from you know because we're just inspired by them if they're good parents well my mom I didn't know she painted till I was like I know I was like 17 on an airplane going to Vegas and my mom like I was like hey mom wanted to try to draw Goku and she drew like this perfect I'm like what am I looking at how you you paint and draw just like I used to paint when I'm like what do you what it's hard it's hard to it's hard to like look at your parents and like think that they were like young you know go getters out the world and creative and doing all sorts of things because we just know them as like I don't touch that what are you doing get over here yeah yeah yeah yeah hey don't touch that was my nickname yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but before us like they you know they went out and enjoyed and drank and had a good time and were you know just creative monsters and then we came along and ruined it yeah yeah yeah we had to make them responsible human beings while you're here I'm like where did the name Five Knives come from I guess but I want to know so I was actually not a part of the creation of the band originally I was their second drummer they were only a band for about three four months before I came into the picture and so they had a original drummer and then he laughed and so they saw one of my like youtube drum solos like way back in the day and they're like hey come on in audition you know we heard from you from this guy and so I came in auditioned and everything worked great they're you know they're amazing people and they're just they're super talented but originally started as like a DJ project and then Nathan Marlowe was like let's make this a band let's like actually make a band let's get it let's get a girl singer let's like sort of do that and so there was this old national band called The Wursties and the girl is Anna and a Marcel who's now Anna oh she just so anyway Anna she came into the picture and it just all perfectly like her voice her attitude like it was very palm-based you know and so it was just yeah and so to answer your question where the Five Knives come from just sounding cool okay okay okay no big story I mean like during our little tenure there like we tried to figure out if we should make a story up you know and just be like hey there was a time we got in a fight with dude with Five Knives and we beat them all and we're like no oh okay there's like a legend about like the Five Sacred Knives online and I'm like oh dude that's so cool they think the pull yeah totally totally yeah no it just it's just like the Five Knives but four band members all right yeah and so we tried to like play with a lot of things we were like who could be the fifth knife and so we played around with some like I do god jesus make it up for jesus yeah jesus is that you know it's a saber and also the fifth knife no we were like maybe the audience could be the fifth knife I don't know we were just having a lot of fun and it was just okay that was a cool name and yeah I just I found you first and so like hey i'm part of Five Knives I'm like oh well let me check out this small little indie band I bet they have some like cute little what the fuck I mean we were I mean yeah it was it was it was just great man like as soon as I it was a month after I joined the band that we got contacted by Red Bull Records and they were like hey you know we were very interested in you come and sign to our new label and Red Bull Records has able nation and a bunch of other bands that we were really into and were like this is actually perfect and they were still at that time technically speaking and in the label they were just underneath the umbrella of the drink Red Bull and essentially just Red Bull just uses that in that label as essentially a write-off essentially because I can just write off the whole label and which was great for Red Bull Records I don't know if it is that way now but like they had they had more money as a result than a bunch of indie labels as a startup or whatever so they were able to sign us and sort of push us for years we actually had a signing bonus and what that means is a lot of bands who get signed to major labels don't get signed bonuses anymore because they just they just can't afford it yeah at least the major labels don't want to give it to them which is horrible but we actually got a signing bonus so we actually got paid to be signed at first and then you know they actually paid for tour support which is unheard of in today's if you're a brand new band you don't get to support that's not you're getting your money through merch or through ticket sales and that is it and then forget about like making money off of you know Spotify and whatnot because if you're especially for signed to label they get a big chunk of that you know just kind of how it does and it depends on you know your lawyers and their lawyers but I never made more than you know it wasn't like I'm getting too little bit in the weeds here about like musician like I don't know if you already went over this but I just I appreciate it's fascinating yeah I looked at it like as a fun thing and for the label it was more of an investment in us and so because they were pushing out money to their credit they pushed out a lot of money on us and you know we didn't get paid on the back end because of that but we were able to have a great friggin time you know open up for smashing pumpkins had a little tour with Iconopop 21 pilots and new politics and I'm still good friends with the new politics guys that's awesome two of them you got some bang and you got some good stuff it is on my rotation on Spotify I was like that's the stuff that's blowing my mind yeah it's happening we recorded that record in LA we recorded a record in LA like we lived in LA for like three months to record that record which is it was insane you know it was just one of the best times of my life it was it was literally a dream control it was awesome so take all of that what you just said and then me growing up like Alaska moving around and then messing with garage band and then the professional big afendeal drummer is like I'm gonna do one of your songs I'm like are you really that was like that was one of the coolest things that ever happened to me was like because I do like some drum stuff or whatever but I like a man having like a real professional drummer I was like this is the best my stuff is ever gonna sound I should quit now I appreciate it thank you man I really appreciate that it was really a big deal I really appreciate it and it was awesome well yeah you know I jumped into this content creation space in like 2016 after five knives like officially broke up because at that point I was like well the dream is kind of done now so what do I do I know oh my god yeah yeah yeah it's crazy you know like when you when you tell yourself as a little kid that your dream is gonna go is being a band get famous you know tour do that whole thing and that actually comes true when I was yeah 27 got signed and I told myself when I was a kid I was like can we get signed and turn it happened and then did the dream toured made a record did the whole thing and then the broke up and then at that point it's kind of like shit I don't have a backup plan I don't have anything up plan it was you know what's crazy is like throughout that whole time I'm being an abandoned touring and whatnot I actually had a full-time job yeah for the all those years I had a full-time day job that's it's I love your story well it's it's heartbreaking but I like the potential about your I had a dream I lost it and now I have another dream yeah yeah well it's crazy like when I when I started doing like content creation I didn't know what I kind of did a whole bunch of stuff like at first when I started YouTube my YouTube channel it was like I'm gonna do drum covers because I'm a drummer and I like video games and whatnot but my first drum cover was a crazy idea I had I was like I was really into attack on Titan the first season and we were always talking about it at work and I worked with this makeup artist and she was like oh my god I told her this idea was like I want to do an attack on Titan opening theme drum cover and I want you to paint my face just like yes let's do that and my landlord at the time he worked in television so he had his own studio green screen studio and so like can I use your studio set up my drums and make a like a video of drum cover of a green screen background and me playing the opening theme of attack on Titan dressed up as a Titan let's see if this works that'll be my first drum cover on my YouTube channel and sure enough it was and it blew up it was you know I was like freaking million views and Facebook and like you know almost a million views on YouTube like oh crap this is awesome um then yeah so I started doing more drum covers at that point but the problem the problem is I don't watch a lot of anime like I just I just don't watch a lot of anime I'm the video game guy like I love video games not you know I love anime too but I just don't that's not you know I'll get into phases you know I like how to anime phase and then I'll be it um yeah and so I started doing video game covers and then okay this is this is fun it wasn't getting as much traction as the other stuff and so I was coming in and then I started doing video game reviews and I was doing like you know the classic sort of angry video game neurodron kind of you know review process um and then the pandemic happened and then kind of like flipped the script a little bit as far as you know losing your job because at my job I would actually be able to like edit videos at work um but so uh I started like what can I do like I don't have time as much time as I used to to do like these actual video game reviews and stuff like that um and it started like I wanted to do the live streaming for a very long time but I just never had the inspiration to do it until the pandemic really um I started right before the pandemic but then when the pandemic happened I was like okay now this is all I have left now um and so I just focused on the live stream and you know and it was just like I didn't expect anything to happen like I didn't have any dreams for any of this it's just kind of something I'm a creative person I need to put something out there into the universe because I don't I'll go crazy yeah um yeah and so and again I just like I was just streamed to my friends and then TikTok happened and my friend said you know hey get yourself on TikTok it's like all right sure because it took it forever to get on TikTok because I was all about the instagram and you know in the youtube and whatnot and then TikTok happened and freaking yeah TikTok made you really hard yeah and I met I met I met you and then you know things started starting getting followers I started getting engagement for the first time like people who were actually like I love what you're doing like I didn't hear that for you know for four years you know I hear like from my friends like this is really cool this is really fun nice but I would you know yeah yeah this is really cute what you're doing you see this is really nice but you know um but on TikTok there's something different I don't know what it is I don't know because I still really stuff on instagram but something with TikTok people are so positive and so supportive and so like keep going you know this is awesome I love your stuff like I never really got that until TikTok so kind of no TikTok has fosters a kind of an engagement relationship whereas like instagram is such a weird place to be because you can find people that are like TikTok on there but you just have to like get huge and like then people I don't know it's just I don't know Instagram is like really culty and like clickish and like you can like well I'm I'm of the mind that your stuff needs to go everywhere to like just for like because I'm in marketing so you know as a way to like brand awareness I'm glad we're doing this because I'm glad I know that you're in the marketing so I can pick your brain a little bit more yeah I mean well I mean I have like legitimately I've worked for a million dollar corporation to like a mom and pop shop to hospitals and it's kind of the same principle I used I worked in social media and web design for a long time moved to florida and applied for a job for web design and then they had me do nothing but graphic design and I'm like okay you got it but you know I think I think it's so incredible like you have almost a hundred thousand followers on TikTok yes and you like but those stuff that you do create it's like it caters to that sort of quick funny moment kind of creative creative stuff you know and you do a lot of memeing and stuff like that like I don't have the witty nature I don't have that like I can't think of something like that and you know I'm not that witty but like your stuff sure your stuff is funny and fun and I think it's yeah I think it's great and I appreciate that a lot I've been I've been honing down like the perfect like TikTok recipe since since 2019 I've been drawing I used to okay here's here's my long story so I wanted to draw the time was happy with my art and then so I started TikTok and I'm like well I'm gonna like pick an IP and I'm gonna change every week so like one week will be Mega Man one week will be Sonic one week will be this anime and I just do do do do do do and then are you aware of something called Friday Night Funkin funny chance have you heard of that I might have heard it in passing but explain it's a it's a it's basically a rhythm game and it was independent on new grounds you know new grounds oh yeah yeah okay yeah it was it was started on new grounds it's kind of just a small little project and it got just exploded in popularity it's this huge it got this huge thing and so I was trying to think of like I had I was switching IPs I got to Animaniacs and I was like I'll do Animaniacs and for one of the Animaniacs like shorts I was doing like well I could do like I could put Animaniacs with this Friday Night Funkin stuff and do like a mock rhythm game thing with like Animaniacs with the Friday Night Funkin cast and whatever it'll be my it'll be my thing for today I'll do something else tomorrow so I just put it together through online whenever to think about it it got 300,000 views in six days oh that's crazy and I was like oh my god isn't that so bizarre I mean it's not bizarre because it's funny and it's great and it but you didn't even like think that hard about it you know no no I was I didn't want to do it because it was just gonna be painly asked to do because I would draw like four six the five or six panels and then I would I usually did that but this one it would be required like the characters like move around and dance a little bit so there's a lot more drawing and I didn't want to do it because it would take forever and I'm lazy same same so and so I did I spent like five or six I'm like here eff it this goes online whatever I'll do a new one tomorrow I'm switching my piece tomorrow whatever but it went so hard I did a second one and that got kind of the same attention I did a third one but by the third one I was like okay you either have to stick with Friday Night Funkin or change it up Animaniacs and I grew up with Animaniacs I'm like I'm just gonna do this for like a year every day and so then I drew Animaniacs every day for like a year and I had some pretty good successes I had one video went to a million views on YouTube and I was like holla holla good dalom but then like Animaniacs hype you could I could pinpoint the moment everything started to just crumble like the second the second reboot season came out and it didn't perform really well like it wasn't it was fine but it wasn't really what's the word oh good and so the hype just drained out like and so like all my videos are all my views the interaction I was losing subs it was like I was like all right I need to like think about like what's a good like what's a good solid fan base well Sonic has a pretty active fan base and I like Sonic so I'll just see what happens well now my normalcy is like like 10,000 views each video on TikTok and like a couple thousand on YouTube but I'm like yes do yes here we go I found the thing where we're back at it to win it and I'm and like Animaniacs are like blacker why that's one to drop but now I have like blue and red and other colors it's like colors so it's a lot more visually like and there's a lot more cast of characters to pull from and I like four exactly right exactly now yeah and there's so much you can do with it now even if it's like the sonic thing you can just you can do all sorts of different characters oh yeah there's a ton just I like sticking with one IP because when you when you think about when I first started doing I was like oh god I have everything available and so I go through TikTok and I look for sound so I hear a sound I'm like could this work with Avid or the Last Airbender could this work with Mario could this no how long does it take do you have like do you have like templates already made and then no everything from scratch okay how long is it for a video like two two hours two and a half hours oh that's not bad look at you no no I've gotten pretty fast at it I've gotten pretty out one single character drawn and shaded is about half an hour if it gets really complicated if it's like a dang an opera character or like some anime character it could be 45 minutes because they have like buckles and buckles and buckles and buckles and buckles and buckles a lot of buckles really I mean she's holding it I mean kingdom hearts you know like yeah Donald has a zipper on his hat down the middle what is that what happened whatever apparently they shop at Gucci or somewhere they stop at a really nice so sometimes it can get complicated but I've gotten pretty fast at having good quality stuff get out so it's like two and a half hours for like and I want to do it every day because you know I don't know what could hit you know I don't want to sleep on something and then maybe that's the day that that's where that's where it hits so yeah I don't know it's good it's good stream fodder you know I have like seven or eight people come hang out all the time and I my stream is chock full of stuff that people can like press buttons and like an explosion happens or like a snipe shot appears and it's like a gunshot goes off and I have it if they get me in the forehead I give them a sub random so they shoot me in the head and they clip it and they get a gift so I just have a bunch of like stuff people can play with the whole time so I haven't I have not gotten to that level yet but more stuff more stuff specifically I followed you because I like I like to follow you have good quality you have good content I'm along for the ride because I am 100% sure you can make it out of like I follow a lot of people and I just like watching them kind of build up and go places and I just you are like I'm just excited to watch you like this thing just kind of over it'll be one video we'll go nuts suddenly you will just be there you'll just be there and I'll be like I know that guy I'll be like give me the cross sure I appreciate that makes me smile thank you I mean I just I don't know man it's I didn't think anything would come of this but I honestly had no idea about TikTok until my buddy was like get a TikTok and I was just annoying about TikTok it was almost like it was almost like a person talking about CrossFit all the time you know it was just like TikTok yeah did a TikTok fine if you don't have a TikTok it's like not having a youtube 10 years ago like what are you doing like go yeah and so yeah I'm just having fun but now it's like now it's like inspiring me like you know people like you who are so supportive and coming to the stream it's like now I'm like it's giving me more inspiration to take this other places like I had the confidence now the confidence is building now you know as opposed to I love your stream not like there's the talent obviously but what I really like is the positivity because you'll get some people like you'll request some people requested a song that is like nothing there's I don't know what the hell is going on but you will be like well that was a really fun tune I really like that or like even the crazy ones like man I don't know what's happening but that is a lot of fun like you're always like you put like a positive spin on stuff like it's such a nice place to just hang out and like have a good time or like I'm Mr.

Grumpy Gus someone comes into my chat and requests something like ridiculous like hey could you draw the Tetris piece and I'll be like what the fuck is that I maybe like if I do this long enough and if more people start to join in the in the stream maybe eventually I will have the day where I'm just kind of like I don't want to do this anymore but dude like it's not it's just it's just fun like it's just kind of crazy like just having five people in at a time just like enjoying I don't know it just reminds me it kind of reminds me of like when when I was in bands and whatnot and we'd have rehearsals um you know it was it was always fun to have like a like an audience watching us practice you know and it was just like our friends and then we were just hanging out and after the practice we would come out and drink and whatnot and it just kind of reminded me of that where you're just hanging out with your friends and you're in a band and you're playing your music and you're just entertaining your friends and they're entertaining you and they're a part of the process even though they're not really a part of the band but at the same time we're all in sharing this energy together like and that's what you know the live stream kind of reminds me of and so like I'm having a lot really telling about the quality of your stream was you were rated by like 50 people and after like a couple people dropped off but you were consistently at 30 for the rest of it and retaining people and that many people is super hard on on twitch because I got rated a bunch of times by like a couple other people but you know my art stream is such a disconnect from like people playing Mario 64 or something that they're like oh art okay oh me anyway but you had people come in from a completely different type of stream Kennedy or something hung around for the entirety which is just super telling of the quality that you produce so I was like I was like there there's the proof I don't have to do anything it's right there that's that's cool and forgive me like you know and I should probably just tell this I don't watch a lot of twitch even though I use it and I should watch it a lot more just you know being a you know a full grown adult you know with a family and a full-time job it's kind of hard and you know I want to spend time with my wife and she doesn't watch twitch we just watch actually we're getting yellow. You have to run around and do the gamut there's a bunch of stupid you know I do I don't have any of that stuff you just said so I spent a lot of time gathering data and looking at numbers and looking at what's popular and looking at what's doing well and what sounds are doing well and like da da da da da da da da and I don't not that I just I do it because I'm crazy. We're all crazy and we all have our moments. Yeah it's really really hard to like the average viewer if you have five or more viewers on twitch you're in the 2 percent like one or 2 percent on on twitch and then there's like the elites that have like hundreds of thousands and it's like yeah they have all the followers.

Yeah there's like there's like five people that make a career on twitch out of what they make and then everyone else is like kind of making it and then you have people that just help with the bills and you have to turn it on sometimes. Yeah you know it's I've discussed on the podcast a bunch with different content creators and and my sort of philosophy on this whole content creation thing it's like I would love for it to be a thing and like to have you know a thousand people in a room like but I want to be careful in sort of getting lost in that sort of thing because I feel like a lot of people get bogged down with trying to numbers. Yeah with numbers and but they get this idea in their head that because ninja you know has 300 million followers and he's making all this money that they can do it too and yes they can't you absolutely can. Yeah but then you know like I don't know maybe it's because I'm older and realistically in practicality become more of a thing when you're a little bit older it's like okay this could be a thing but I have to be careful I have to you know like at what point do you start sacrificing other parts of your life for this content creation thing.

Yeah does that make any sense? Exactly no it totally makes sense and ninja got lucky was playing the most popular game at the time and is actually really skilled at the most popular game at the time so being really really good at popular video game at the time I mean sure yeah but being a master at something takes forever and he got lucky and he fell into a certain demographic. Yeah I feel like a big part of it that a lot of people miss. Yeah you know it's important I picked him up as like a spokesman so he got he got promoted by the thing he was playing and then it just self-generated you just he got he got I don't I don't have an opinion about ninja one way or another because I don't want to I don't want to go down that road or whatever but he did get kind of like gifted like all his stuff was just kind of like here's you have it now.

Well I look at it like it could be any well it doesn't necessarily have to be pertaining to streaming too it could be bands it could be artists it could be celebrities like it like it's it's kind of a thing it's it's sort of like writing momentum and some people can like get something and then ride that momentum into stardom and but 95 percent of people will get something cool really happen and then and then yes yes oh my that I had a video like my video excuse me that it got to like a million views and I was like yeah yeah and then and then YouTube was like okay well we're done with it now and then all my lifeblood in youtube just drained out the back just immediately like I went from get like 100 subs a day which was ball or to like 12 yeah well it's just it but it messes with your emotional well-being I feel like if you don't have a strong if you don't have a strong center like and you already have sort of like emotional issues anyway I can I can imagine that sort of like tease to really mess with you mentally like it was I thought I made it man I thought I thought getting a hundred subs a day for like two weeks I was like this is it we're here boys we're doing it and then we'll let him die down and it was like oh it was like when Andy like have you seen a toy story where he's like I don't want to play with you anymore and then what he's like falling into the trash can that was me it's an emotional roller coaster and it's like so when you know people say that you know like you're gonna make it and you're gonna do this I gotta be careful it's like not fully believe in it but be confident of like I'm gonna at least I'm gonna little baby steps little baby I know everybody that I follow well that's not fair I know a lot of people that have a lot of potential you your quality is good the music is good the content is good there are and your your niche isn't super saturated like there are some drummers out there and there's some video game drummers that are already established but there's not like a billion you know there's not like video game reviews because like every white guy with facial hair has a video game review at some point I'm right I'm right I did it you did it we everybody does it at some point white guy with facial hair has a calling from god it's like I need to review a video game like and put it on the internet and then it doesn't do shit and you're like oh well all right oh god oh that's really funny and like the video game review market is saturated a bunch of people like you and me doing the same shit on the same jokes saying yeah yeah yeah my last like couple reviews I wanted to bring my dog into it because you know I was really into Sir Maximilian Max dude you know and he's got his little dog I was like that'd be really fun to bring in my dog and see what you know it was cute but like at the end of the day it's like someone's already doing this like you know yeah that's that's the problem and like like there are a lot of people that do animations and stuff but I give a crap about it and there's not as many I was I'm part of this is I'm now just patting myself on the back again because I'm so cool but I'm part of the YouTube shorts creator collaboration so they have like weekly meetings where all the creators like get together and they like ask questions and stuff with like someone from YouTube and so everyone on the call was like some sort of like like a chef or like a self-help or this artist or like and then a couple gamers in there that had this background which isn't that you'll find the purple background as the gamer I'm trying to recreate that for my art I just can't get it I was just like fuck it I'm just gonna just do a bright white light and then maybe some I got a I got a disco ball emotion yeah yeah yeah or a sound sensor disco ball and like I think I like your setup I mean what else are you gonna do like the gamers that go hardcore wall of video games that go for a mile and then like their LCD screen with like their name on it and then like plushies and toys it's some part of this like no this is good well I have something I was thinking about here you can't see I have a goofy movie that you can barely make out and there's I'm a fucking yeah a certain point you just gotta go fucking like I mean again it's just it's like you know because I never collected I would I would trade games because I was poor and like you know that's I had no choice but to trade games and I'm kind of kicking myself or not being a collector because like I see like I follow the all these people on TikTok and on YouTube and they just have these walls of just of nerd culture and I'm like damn it like yeah I kept all those games I could be in the same boat like I could you know I had I'm a same thing I have like a couple I've kept I've started rebuilding my collection but you know it's hard to find like games are so old games are expensive now but I have like every game on the market like I but I would I sold them back to like GameStop because I didn't have money coming out my ass but you know at the end of the day too like it had I I wouldn't have had the ability to play all the wonderful games that I did play had that not been an option for me yeah exactly I mean at least I was able to play the new game right for like for getting five dollars on this like fifty five dollar game or whatever you know so it's like you know it's a double edged sword I mean I don't have a big collection but like the hearts here man I'm I'm there yeah I'm like everything I buy after certain age when I got like a real job I was like okay I'm keeping everything I buy now yeah so like from like the we the we on I have pretty much everything there's just bullshit just stacks and stacks of utter garbage dude yeah I had a gentleman named Michael K who's also a fantastic drummer does a bunch of covers and stuff like that he's starting like I've noticed on his TikTok by the way it's absolutely criminal he doesn't have like a million followers because he's got the set up he's got the he's got the collection he's a huge gamer and he's a great drummer like he's got all of them and I saw you know I saw him on you on TikTok I had him on my podcast like I need to talk to this guy because it's awesome and sure enough he's in Memphis which is right freaking three hours away yeah sure so we should hang out when he says anyway but yeah Michael K he has just an awesome in awesome setup like just an awesome like he's got all the systems and all the cords and all the everything and I'm like that I wish I could have that I wish I could have that I don't yeah I mean I follow a bunch of the game like twitchers twitchers that's not the right word to which people and I just know it's so funny because like it's which is kind of the people on Twitter just starting to like huh TikTok has a marketing tool so there's all these like pre-established to twitch people that have just started and then I get to come in and find them and go oh this is awesome and then they see oh who's this guy and then I have numbers because I've been doing this forever so I think what's going on is these people like see like a hundred thousand followers I better follow this guy and it's like you idiot I've tricked you I've nothing well no actually you know that's that's a thing man that that is a thing because it is it just it's a human element of life it's a symbol of status you know in real life it might be a car or a house or something like that to say hey I am actually well off in the social media sphere if you have a big amount of followers that I know it's your how much it's your self-worth but like the amount of followers you have or subscribers you have are not where your viewers come from all your viewers are brand new this little number that like people define your self-worth on means nothing it like if you make content it's not guaranteed to go out to that many people like one hundred of those people might see my stuff maybe you know it's actually uh it's actually uh reminiscent of I remember a long time ago when I was still in a band I can't remember which band I was in at this time but we had a we talked with a marketing company at the time and I'll always remember this I can't remember if it was the marketing team that said this or if it was a songwriter friend I can't remember who said this someone said this but it stuck with me and they said all you need is a hundred hardcore fans and I was like a hundred or was a thousand it's either way a hundred or a thousand whatever you just need a thousand let's say a thousand it sounds like a better number um you need a thousand hardcore fans all you need and with a hardcore fan or hardcore follower hardcore anything they will literally do they will they will follow you they they will buy your t-shirts they will do everything because they love what you do they feel like you are unique in so unique that they're willing to support you in anything that you do you just need a thousand of those people and that sounds like such a small number in comparative to you know the numbers that you see on social media but like that I was that that rang with me it's like that's so true I totally agree there's a Broadway play called title of show and the song title is I'd rather be people's oh like nine people's favorite thing versus a hundred people's ninth favorite thing that's awesome that's awesome and yeah that's great because that's that's the that's the it's so easy to get bogged down to numbers because it's just it's the first thing that you see you know it's the first thing that you feel when you post something it's I know it's it's like youtube celebrates like those big numbers with like plaques and stuff and it puts more importance on it but it's all it's bullshit it's bullshit man there's like if I have a hundred thousand followers on youtube two day what do I get entering into like some special building where the create are the creators like oh hello mr brinstar welcome to the user no one gives a shit man I mean yeah at what point because because people say he's a youtube celebrity you know he's not a celebrity what am I gonna do I can't I still have I still have shitty insurance I gotta pay this much for and a hundred thousand followers doesn't all of a sudden like give me a discount I'm like crapping floor to blue bronze insurance like and your avatar is a cartoon so people don't even know who you are if you came into yeah I know my avatar is this little wizard guy like yeah maybe you should start dressing up as that and you're oh that's pretty star hey how's it going you want to do it for a long time I was really really camera shy I didn't I don't look like like your typical like I'm older I have a lot of gray hair I'm bigger and I was like I am like a disaster and I just had fucking one day just fuck it and everyone said it was hot and I'm like what the fuck you guys are hey people are people are in whatever big is it's a thing it's a thing on TikTok it's a thing on TikTok people know people know I know I saw I saw some like attractive girl that was like lusting over guy that looked like me and I'm like what the what happened I know like as we were growing up we're like what now nerds are cool like what is going on I couldn't dude man yeah the world is shifting on its axis man yeah ridiculous I mean it's it's fun I just a certain age and I'm sure you feel the suit because we're about the same age there's a certain point just gotta say fuck it you know it's like I just have fun you know it's like have as much fun with the time remaining you have because your 20s are gone my 20s are gone oh they are obliterated you know obliterated we had a good time and now it's just like now what do I do you know it's just like as an adult like I'm an actual I'm closer to 40 than I am 20 what oh no I mean like when I think about that shit but you know I will say I will say like when people say it's a number I mean it sounds corny and it kind of is but at the same time it's like it is what you make it like yeah you know I know I I agree like I've tried to spend the pandemic like trying to get better as an artist and I spent every day drawing and improving my skill so that's why I do it every day because it's an investment into the day you know instead of just letting the pandemic kind of happen I wanted it to be I put an investment to something we were investing in the day's do blur together yeah you're you're investing in yourself is what you're doing yeah taking time to invest in yourself and you know no matter what that is always a better bet than investing oh hang on there's saying that I'm thinking of and I can't think of it now I can't finish this up finish the thought but you're just you're investing in your personal yeah you're investing in yourself because that is never time wasted you know it's it's because that you're building a foundation on top of that foundation you're building the floor and on top of the floor you're building the ceiling and the top of the ceiling is the roof and you know it's like at a certain point you'll have a full mansion and yeah that's what you're building towards when you yeah exactly and it's just a little bit it's just a little bit here and there that's all you need but everyone wants you put us humans we all want that get rich quick scheme yeah I do I mean let's be honest here we all want to like you know just wake up one day with a million dollars and you know fan riches I mean you know I exactly I spent more I spent more time trying to get rich quick by putting like two and a half hours every day into something which is not quick at all but you know you have talent you're using it like it's fun and like I you know I like I love stuff like that you know and I agree to this podcast so I can like talk to people like you and and just it like pick your brain and your journey you're you know how you are you and why you do the things that you do and how you got there what I like to do is help people and on that note can I give you some unsolicited advice on how to promote yourself absolutely I'll take that you're gonna laugh and I swear to god snapchat snapchat snapchat and Pinterest and Pinterest because Pinterest is snapchat both have a TikTok feature because of course they do it's kind of a pain they ask to upload videos to Pinterest because you have to like register and then make yourself a business account it's totally free and then you get the privilege of uploading video to there it's called like an idea an idea pin is their TikTok version but Pinterest is the most seo searchable like when you search stuff what's the first stuff that comes up Pinterest links like all of us Pinterest has it Pinterest has it down to a science and so if your stuff is on Pinterest you have a higher like searchability just because it's on Pinterest so I don't think it like a hundred views or so on like Pinterest but that's like but when you're doing the you'll choose to like go out there yeah wait you're kind of you're juicing the algorithm yeah overall yeah exactly of who I upload like it's it's like five minutes it's a pain in my ass to get it on Pinterest but it's you know if it goes big on Pinterest it'll go big on Google which is that you're set you're set if you can if you can mess with Google you're done and then I put it on reels I put my stuff on YouTube reels because who owns YouTube Google owns YouTube so if you're part what videos come up first if you search Google YouTube videos wow look at you I love this I love this is exactly what I need I'm like I need a guy who just knows the ins and outs of all this algorithm bullshit like what is going on here yeah what they're not gonna push they're not gonna push Microsoft Bing videos again out of here they're gonna push their own video did you wait man and then it's not like wait and then snapchat spotlight there's no real reason for this but there is in marketing there's a term for like just self-awareness it's like serial commercials they don't have a call to action like like most most commercials have like a like buy now or call this number or act now come to our store is like a call to action but if you see mascot serial commercials it's just part of a complete breakfast at the last line it's not buy now it's not try today it's not please consider it just it just exists which is self-awareness to make you feel better so when you go and see all the serial things you're like oh that commercial made me feel good and now I want to buy that because I associate good feelings with that because getting her name out there is like self-awareness it's like it's like a step to an episode of madman over here this is great sorry i'm far 15 years professional marketing I can't help it did you ever watch that show madman madman no I came and went I feel like since you're in that sphere I feel like you really like that show because it's about advertising that's you know it's essentially it's marketing no I I'll finish this point then i'll go I love advertising because it's just like it's a sect of like humanity and what we thought was important for that moment in time so you go back to like old magazines like from the 70s and look at their car ads and their bicycle ads and stuff and like just what what priorities are important really come forward because you go back to the 40s then you get tape or a badge for like dieting like well that's different cigarettes yeah yeah then you have the Flintstones talking about like buying a carolina cigarette or whatever nothing quite as smooth as a thanks thanks Fred and they're both smoking it up and like okay it's kind of crazy yeah like moments in time so Snapchat which is also it seems pointless at first and you're gonna like when I uploaded it I just uploaded a snapchat because it was just I just wanted to see and I did it for like several months with like no traction but I had one video get like a hundred thousand views and I'm like what and then it just kind of kept happening and so I get like Snapchat every so often I get like 500 000 views suddenly from their spotlight feature and nobody nobody even thinks about Snapchat nobody even talks about Snapchat being in the game but getting 500 000 people is like those serial commercial ads you just get it out there and still then what I'm hoping like you know you ever think you ever like you're on YouTube and like oh what's that one game I played a long time ago oh let me look that up on YouTube so what I'm hoping is that people on Snapchat like oh that was a fun video and then weeks go by like what was that sonic video the soprano which is what I'm today and like well it's gonna come up well my Snapchat's not gonna come up because you can't look up Snapchat on Google but my YouTube is gonna come up which has all the money on it so get your name out there and then like hopefully in a couple months you know they'll naturally find your stuff and you know what I had a lot of interaction from asking people to follow my YouTube on Snapchat like usually getting people to act on like links and stuff for social media is if you get like one person like I have like 15 000 people on Instagram and I can get I can get like three people to come into my twitch maybe but on Snapchat I was like hey guys my subs on YouTube stock and I want to feel better about myself can you follow me on YouTube I literally said that I was like hey guys I'm gonna go and follow me on YouTube and then I got 30 subs like immediately that's awesome from Snapchat dude wow okay I'm gonna download all this information and I don't know it's a pain it's a pain in the ass and you will not see results right away so it's it's the everything on humanity it's everything you maintain well I look at it like it's like it's work essentially it's that's where you're working and it's like it's like you know at a day job whatever it's like you know every day is just minuscule little things that you do every day yeah they're boring they're not monumental but every so but you're but you're doing something for the whole and so like one little thing that you've been doing this whole time like cleaning the counters you know or something like that like yeah you know yeah you're just cleaning the counters just because you're not even thinking about it and it sucks but like if you don't do that then things just pile up and it looks like yeah like it's already looks like shit so it's like that's how I kind of you like that's sort of like the only kind of passion about this is I'm friends with a lot of creators who like like I like what do you want like I really want to be a youtuber like okay well you have to like upload this and you have to do shorts and you have to do the TikTok thing and then like well there's a lot of work and like well yeah you wanted this to like operate it's like like all these creators that like like then then a week later like oh my youtube video isn't doing well I'm like well did you upload like clips to TikTok did you upload clips to youtube shorts well no and like you didn't upload anything to the biggest app in the market right now and you're wondering why your video isn't doing well yeah yeah I get the same way I mean I get it like it's just it's a lot of it is a lot of work and a lot of people say you're just posting stuff on your phone and it's like no it's actually works it's like 15-30 minutes a day of just and you can't use the thing that pulls it to everything because it doesn't the the the app likes it when you post through it more than a third party I know I I I learned that old facebook days you can't like facebook didn't like you know using youtube links so I would have to post you know just upload the full video to facebook and then I had to upload the full video to youtube and then I had to upload the half the video to instagram then I got like yeah yeah it's like 30 minutes every day of like mindless gobbledygook yeah disaster but then you know on instagram I'll get on reels I saw that your reels are like 300 100 which isn't like amazing but that's still good because instagram is a completely different market than tiktok yeah so you're getting your name out there which is awesome but instagram lags instagram you'll upload something in a week later that week old video will take off so I'll have I just had something recently get to like a hundred thousand views and but out of nowhere it's not there and didn't do anything for like a week and then all of a sudden like you have a hundred you have the math notifications we can display right now and I'm like okay let me see something's happening unbeknownst to me so Pinterest is the same way but I think I think you're like you have one thing that's like instagram sucks and instagram does suck it's kind of as a fucking they've got bots they've got their whole every day I get an alert that's in my notifications like oh you should make open up a shop and I'm like of what the latest the latest instagram thing that I'm getting in my wife too actually we're getting emails now that so and so wants to follow you so and so wants to follow you so and so wants to follow you it's like well then let them follow me what like it's my my life no you don't have to approve people to follow you no yeah it's weird yeah so it's spam it's just it's just it's just another form of you know it's like click the link and whatever but I mean like now that I'm getting people like hey we are company that wants to sponsor you and I'm like okay what you it was I actually got like okay we want you to create a custom 30 second animation for us and we will give you 50 dollars so the going rate for animation is a little higher higher higher than that just well I was like cool oh actually I do want to get into this before we I got to go going here a little bit but like you also do commissions yeah so tell me how that nobody works I'm just saying like because I'm a commission you have a few things like hey okay um I do commissions and I try I try to price it for the everyman there's like the professional market where it's like thousands of thousands of dollars but I'm I'm not in that world so I have like the general like everyman commissions and on on brentstarcom.com is like my prices and what I do and you can buy it like like like a just online store or something there's just buttons it's like this is 35 dollars this is 30 I actually use that picture I drew a view in a car as like an example for one of the things I appreciate that was awesome by the way that was really cool yeah I know I like doing art for kind of smaller content creators because most artists don't draw fan art unless they it serves them like like peanut butter gamer or like pewdiepie will get way more interaction than like the small streamer but it's really nice this small streamer deserves the art yeah I like to kind of like give the streamer like something oh I know what has drawn stuff for me before yeah it's really cool like I was like I was so happy I was like oh man like because that's not just that's not nothing you know that's like nobody knew a lot of my audience didn't really know who you were but not I do and that's kind of cool yeah I really appreciate it and not only that's because that's like that's like a super nice thing to do for somebody because that takes that takes time that takes time and ever like I mean it's not like you spent like a whole week doing my thing it's just kind of you know but it was just a nice thing it was just something that was unexpected I don't know I like doing nice things for people and I feel like like your content deserves that it's sort of like rewards is I don't know at that time you get to like a hundred thousand followers and people are just kissing your ass with art and stuff at some point it will like art will like so like Jane animation's great animator amazing person I don't know in real life but I would like to wink and um but the end of video has like a long just the scrolling wheel of fan art of this there's just tons of it and at some point like it kind of like devalues all of it but so now as a small creator you can like get one thing and like oh neat this I like this is cool yeah I mean it's going off about nothing I mean yeah when it you know when you know I think it's just inevitable when you know if you get to a certain level of notoriety you know you know it's just inevitable that some things will some people will get lost in the shuffle because now you're in this level of okay now I have to do this now to do this now to you know now you're over here and it's easy to like get lost in that sort of thing because you know you're essentially making it at that point and yeah yeah so like I'm trying to learn to appreciate this time right now I'm not saying it's inevitable that I'll make it or anything I'm just saying that like there's there's a different user experience from talking to five people on Twitch versus like 50 with a chat as garbage and you can't read and everything so right no I agree what did you want to I'm sorry I could you said you said my commission oh yeah yeah I noticed that you do do commissions so like you know how has that done very well like as uh you know what would you do is for like give me an example of like to someone say hey can you draw me a logo or can you draw me a shirt or something like that is that how it works yeah um it kind of it would be kind of different if someone wanted to sell like merchandise well unless I knew like if you if you specifically wanted a logo or a shirt I would do it and I wouldn't be weird about the licensing stuff but if like random people that I don't know come in and they want to resound my artwork there would be an upcharge because they're making money off of my stuff versus like because that was actually my next question is like do you license it like it is your pen so it's like how does that all work I for like a company I would just give them a charge and I would be do a licensing license to ship do all ownership it would be like joint custody of me I would get the art on Mondays and Fridays and then you know no it would be they would own it they could do whatever they want with it and they could sell it and go crazy but I would own it I could I have legal rights like show it all not sell it but put it as like I made this oh nice um but I don't I wouldn't sell it I wouldn't have any reason to but I would be like yes I did this Pepsi logo and Pepsi is like cool I'm not that I mean that would be neat but um so but a lot of my commissions have been like they just want like someone has a character and they want to see what it looks like in my style versus like selling it and if I'm being really honest business has been garbage but hey who do you have the option like that that's still pretty cool so but but if you want art for like merch or something I'm down and I'll just the regular rate I'm not gonna upcharge you the licensing fee you can just I might I hey I might take you up on that I'm sure I'm gonna take you up on that eventually you know but hey I gotta get going here we're star thank you so much for being on this podcast it's been a pleasure to actually be happy yeah and talk with you and pick your brain a bit about your world and your content and and just the just I love it I have a new friend now see this is fun yay new friendships uh yeah but I'm really cool like I'm it's really big on I really appreciate it I love your work I'm a huge fan of your stuff uh being invited was kind of like I'm like okay just don't fender allow and you'll be fine well I appreciate that you're boosting my ego a little bit here and I appreciate that but uh you can follow him on twitch on youtube on instagram on snapchat on TikTok print star he's everywhere uh he does commissions getting so there you go that is a thing yeah you might want Spotify I forget yes he has an album I got a grand full of five dollars from my label the other day and I was like yeah she's here you know we're all just we're all just doing very I'm a professional musician now oh man uh but yeah I appreciate it man it has been a pleasure everyone you all have a good one I will see you later

Episode 50 - Brinnstar!

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