but the let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fuck there's what's happening i am mark mariniss wt at my podcast welcome to the show uh... today on the show i've got one of the original crew of the s and all the gang that uh... that started s and l and that's garret morris and this is uh... and it's a pretty astounding interview i would say and i was a excited to talk to get so that's happening today also many of you know obviously that the other day on uh...
well on monday when i did the plug for david boe's new record a black star that uh... i had not heard the news that uh... the amazing david boe was uh... no longer with us i'd take it the night before night and i woke up to this horrible news but uh...
i remember when i was reading the copy you know like i i had this you know we were doing an answer the album and i was uh... profoundly excited that david boe with had the new record out because um... not unlike many of you uh... i have to attribute david boe with with really being responsible for a lot of my creative confidence a lot of uh...
the way that you know i realize that you could really do whatever you wanted to do and you could really be you know whoever you want to be and also that you know some of his music most of it was transcendent and and and never hackney or or or never like anything else and i was uh... i was sad when i heard that he had passed away i guess i wasn't devastated because you know people pass away i'm gonna pass away we're all gonna pass away and and i thought he had left an amazing amazing you know almost eternal bunch of work that you know i just i i i i look at i look at the records in and i think the first time i ever you know come came in contact with with his work was i was fifteen i was a camp and some guy had that great as its volume one with space oddity and changes and some other stuff maybe was changes when i was in seventh grade changes came out they know is fame and and i heard that uh... you know maybe john lennon is saying on the background but i think it was that was i think it was famous and i think it was a and i think it was that thing that sort of said like who is this guy and then later you know i got the changes one album because i can't have it and then even later than that you know years later in high school the steve the guy at the record store next door started turning me on to you know the deeper cuts of boe making the understand why uh... you know boe was a genius a true fucking genius and also you know his approach or deconstruction or embracing of of even extraterrestrial sexuality on some level you know it was freeing david boe provided those of us were sensitive and creative the freedom to know that it was okay whatever the hell you were gonna do was okay and if you felt heavy-hearted about it you could just put on a fucking david boe song and be elated and transcend the commonplace garbage that culture provides for us he was unto himself he was like another fucking planet and it was always consistent but uh...
i know that when i heard he died that the first thing i listened to was a station station twice station station twice now listen to the song heroes once and then for some reason i put on larger i just want to hear larger it was a little more fun and so i listen to larger and that sort of uh... you know what i did with that day i think one of the hardest things about your heroes dying is that your heroes die and i don't know about you i may think about death in the abstract and i may sometimes think i'm dying but to really process mortality is fucking terrifying to me and i want it to be less terrifying i want to accept it i want to know it i want to feel the humility of it and act accordingly in relation to that without the fear and i think when david boe does something like you have the fortitude and the creative will and the grace to work when he knows he's dying the we've something the testament of that process and and a sort of timeless gift to those people who loved him into people who don't know of him that's that's an amazing humility and commitment an acceptance but i always have david boe i can go into my house right now and play heroes ten times in a row if i want and i've done that you know back in the eighties for some reason the song heroes still to this day when he hits that high note you know i just it consistently it takes me to another place into something almost dark and victorious and it's so satisfying you know then you go to the pop you go to the idiot and then you go you know you before that you go to lu read you go to transformer and then you know how excited like to this day i'm so excited when you know satellite of love comes on transformer and you can hear david boe singing in the back and from above with somebody i'll always say uh... you ready to switch and oh oh oh you know in that moment where you just you know it's both ahh hoooooo and and if someone you're sitting with doesn't know the song very well you're like listen listen listen when david boe hits a high note in the background of satellite i love you like that's fucking boe uh... you build such a relationship with the work of these people in the good news the good news is that we we will always have that and that the sad news is that you know his generation of artists you know are getting older you know i was a pretty big hit but then he started realizing sadly you know david boe was not old old but he knew it was coming and he gave us wax are and he gave us everything that he gave us and uh...
for those of us who love them it's all there man it will always be there and you can share it pass it on down or just sit with it miss you david boe i am you're so fucking great so what else oh it geniuses geniuses i'm not calling you all geniuses but you know if you want it's okay you call yourself geniuses you want you call other people geniuses but you know there's only a few geniuses and i know that some of you uh... we're listening uh... the other day before charlie kelffman those of you who who hung in for the uh... the opening ramble and i told the story about my dad's cousin brent the genius now i don't keep in touch with that side of the family and it's my father's first cousin so i you know i i i don't know really what what all happens but because of the beautiful advent of technology you know people can get in touch people can get in touch and i told that story and i got it uh...
an email through my website email uh... brand maryon the genius chef is a subject line high mark we met once at my grandparents fifty at the anniversary eli uh... was my grandfather and bookie uh... maryon was my grandmother and i knew he liked bookie they were you know they were in jersey they were i i love don't believe i knew i came to my bar mitzvah if my dad's uncle if my grandfather brother i knew he liked bookie very well i have very good memories of them but i met them when their kids were almost grown obviously but anyways he goes i was into your most recent podcast this morning it brought such a huge smile to my face to hear a story about my father not sure if you know but he passed away in two thousand eleven he really was a very smart man and i feel fortunate to have had in my life thank you for sharing your experiences my mother was in this well after knowing there was a girlfriend mention that was her she asked if i could let you know that quote she did not smoke pot that night unquote come over for eggs anytime my dad trained me as a chef just marin because a few you were like what happened to brent the genius was sadly a brent passed away but his son uh...
just reached out to me and uh... and that was uh... that was a that was a nice way to uh... open the email box alright so this brings us to uh...
garret morris uh... garret morris gets uh... sometimes does not get the recognition he deserves he was obviously uh... or maybe not if you don't know the first uh...
african-american performer on s and l on the original s and l he'll tell that story among many other stories he's a character he's went through some shit he's got a great spirit and uh... and he was in was great fun to talk to him i learned a lot of things about him and about s and l and about uh... just the struggle that is the creative life so let's go now to uh... my conversation with them garret morris yet in the middle of somebody i had to tell them we want to make it tonight what do you mean that time i'll have to see how they run she's killing my ass it's good to know it doesn't go away it doesn't go away thank you i'm a bit of a thing i think i think it is so look i'm right now i may not be able to make it tonight okay yes i'm fine just said mark marin the law's and it is not i think yes it marked this is how important i think it's hard and talk over the l time for the middle of the landale well as a hard and parking lot of people that was a hand-cut okay all right hit me and the face hand-cut part right okay i got it yet now you heard more just not even get off the way to the time but let me call you back baby okay okay but yes let's get it on but some kind of that's what happened with me i know it happens i know it happens you're thinking i have a lot more money than i do huh you're thinking i had a lot more money than i do oh you guys trust funds act like you don't have them i got no trust one i built this garage from scratch mr maris is looking like something from the 60s ladies and gentlemen it does right yes bring me back that's right look like something bigger girl from moustache it looks like a hippie archive right some some beautiful west i will have that wet top on that you were so did you work today yeah i did yeah over to bro girls yes i do look after renegotiation yeah they're gonna be broke okay i love it they're gonna go out for a while this time of the hardest working finest looking ladies but they're hard working they don't they don't bring i mean they give you every inch you quit you don't quit man i mean it's been even working a long time you're lucky i've been lucky i've been lucky i've been lucky i've been lucky i've been lucky i've been lucky i've been lucky i've been been as well only twenty percent of working at any given time so let's first of all say i'm lucky you're doing good yeah i'm doing all right i'm not competing well now let's go back because like i just ought to learn michaels yes i know oh my god now get you flex now get you flex okay i just not i did the best i could you know you know just like i had to name what you said i had to name a laura and every knee must bah you did it feel that way when you were there hell yeah are you gonna pull that i mean laura never pulled that out but she just understood that the most solid you are as a master of the worst it is it's not like it's not like my grandmother would never ever smack me right my grandfather would whip the hell out of me right and he put well my grandmother how she got me how she looked at me uh-huh the look in her eyes yes was of such total disappointment you have totally totally completely disappointed me right that was you want to just fall to a hole that was that was a laura and that's laura and i feel that and i don't even know him okay so you would look at you and say because and you know doing those times i admit i did a lot of stuff that i i want to say i had to say regret anything i was in that at the time it wasn't it was wrong what was wrong i'm gonna say drugs a lot of drugs yeah i got on co-cave me back there when they called it the white lady yeah right when it was still okay to do after dinner no but see white ladies a nice term sure man fuck it can i say the one before i'm gonna fuck it that's gonna wreck you know like yeah so i found out that the white lady was really her mr and her mr.
and her mr. yes and she had a long dick a long one right she had dick to spare yeah matter when she walked out of the street she scratched it and got scarred so that's how long this dick was and the white lady crossed and she shoved it up my ass and just kept the day she said hmm i feel good here i feel like 30 years wow that's a long time but hello yeah 10 years ago i joined me at the house anonymous and although you're not supposed to mention it no i mean the guy here about earth anonymous the guard is alcohol yeah as if people on coke and her one yeah and meth don't get wrecked too oh sure but they run you crazy yeah they call you they better they better you they get your sponsor not gone they get it you can really have it just get real much more just stop annoying me stop but no i'm gonna stop okay i'm stop i got 16 years i know the feeling i got 10 years as octopus 13th graduation yeah thank you in a long run with the blow dude oh 30 years bro that's a long time one deviant it's up to get that fixed i got it fixed i got it fixed but you know we but i remember you when i was a kid from s&l and but the thing is that ladies don't let me feel real oh okay you look great you look great i mean but you're with all of them but you were but you were acting before that yes i have not been on said it not live gave me the comedian mentally right i was just an actor for 16 years i've been starting off as a single-regal hair balafonte wait so where'd you grow up and you all lose down really when you all was lousy on if you lived there but then you were born born born in the old race in the old and modern city Louisiana my grandfather was about this minister who had a was assistant parent pastor in New Orleans uh-huh but my mom was raped uh and i found out about studies and when she had me she was 16 okay and my grandfather was will go to his this function but basically he treated her like pico metal yeah put her out the this is the minister the minister right uh-huh but uh they did take me my grandfather my grandmother took me which actually was a great thing wow yeah so i was raised when he left New Orleans to go in the pastor church in beluxin then in modern city i went with him in four years of age so in this uh in elementary school in the winter time i was in modern city and then the sun might go back to New Orleans so i had a winter for modern city sun for New Orleans and you saw your mother though did you have a relationship oh yeah i have but my mom you know that's like if for the first 14 year of your life your grandmother is the thing you're calling her you're relating her like she's a mother and i used to realize i realize the difference so i began to call her with a lot of people to use in down there is madir right and by the way it is not spelled m-e-d-a-d-e-a d-e-a as some person has spelled it in his movie okay right it's m apostrophe d-e-a-r madir we are correct that guy yeah it's not madir yeah you hear that tiger right it's madir straight right it's right that's right get that my grandfather despite all the other stuff he did was responsible whatever happened with my brain uh-huh because i now understand from the experts you got to talk to the child sing to the child right so he had me on his knee at like two and a half three reading the bible right figures he produced a well constructed my own person yeah maybe you're on that one go either way right but what he did was because he read to me the other time i was told that it's three and a half years of age i actually was reading the bible now mark if at three and a half i was actually reading the bible i didn't know what the first i was reading ten years ago right there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there but um i that was my first thing then when i was four years old they found i had this real world choir voice i was singing hi to her right so i started singing it you were singing the church choir it got the church choir yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and on Thursday that yeah i was in a junior choir and on Fridays i was in a senior choir this was like six years of age so you had that powerful voice i was pretty good at the vii how did a vii but quiet boy sound that's how i started i was singing that he flat above high seat real high yeah i was singing up yeah yeah uh and so my first year was with gothamusing and i also had a very crazy grandfather because way back i don't know if you know blues was called evil oh yeah but he had me his son listening to ray Charles and Charles Brown yeah and lose Jordan in his posse me right so he was a hypocrite he liked the blues oh he loved the blues right but he also i was singing gospel but he had me to listen to ray Charles name in his office so and also on Monday nights and Thursday nights on Monday night you had the bell tells one hour the church night you had the firestone hour yes it was classical music yeah so i was really he was hooking up to music in general and i think for that at early age i never even started a different i started only as music even now yeah you know i can listen to okay some question country western run me crazy okay yeah but i'm a great level of um erl's uh uh uh scrotch yeah oh my god this is a banjo player yeah oh god yeah okay you never heard about it baby yeah yeah yeah uh so i was into Hank Williams yeah i was also into a guy named Lewis Jordan who you never heard of ever Lewis Jordan doing the four days he ruled yeah he ruled my early experience was like that so i evolved out of that and at a certain point even thought i'm gonna be a minister which because when i began to deal with theater and entertainment i knew that i was i was gonna try to be in music yeah and into theater well your ministry is its own theater and hello so i was doing what that is and i was going back to New Orleans during the summer and taking the music there yeah yeah i mean i used to um there was a top club in i was going to good time in New Orleans right by the way a great the great position i don't too say it passed away yeah and i found out he was born in grittown too right oh really close by yeah and he mentioned when the club talked about the club he mentioned the one in the club i used to stare through the window and the dude dropped in uh huh right yeah there the dude dropped in and joined chairman and and and and as a kid i used to peak too and just say damn one day i want to be and i'm talking going and just do what they do it oh i was um i was however a student at dillard with Ellis Marcellus oh really yeah when he was then playing the saxophone is he the dad Ellis Marcellus is the dad of obviously some wicked witch produced this man Ellis Marcellus every he's a genius and every one of his children's achievement come on something have you know they talk about robert johnson which of the crossroads Ellis made a deal with a devil somewhere on a seventh sisica every one of his son made several deals he had an ongoing relationship and when i was a kid the first time i heard kujaz and what would be called avant-jec dodger was through the horn his horn and to a piano player named roger dickus where was that that that was at dillard with the rest of the hour the freshman where's dillard that's in the ology ludian okay it's probably lcio and he would be there then as a student playing great saxophone not playing the kind of jazz i heard from part of cellist in it i said Ellis what is this you're playing right and he's already heard miles and people like that and i'm like damn i'm loving this ship right and right in picnics who by the way wrote a symphony that was played by the new honor symphony when he was like when in his 20th and so these guys i went and i lost him because at a certain point he was gone i've got people graduating but he could tell he was a genius i could tell even then yeah sure yeah later on when i was reunited with him in terms of his fame he was not playing the piano and until they stayed i still took of him with that horn right like when you were a kid right right yeah but where do you go from dillard oh oh from dillard i went to new y'all up to new york um you want to host or sure why not well i i want to get you to harry bell finding when you meet him in new york's in new york's oh at the end of dillard um i had deteriorated into but the time i was a senior i was down on an honor roll anymore what i was well i'll get to it i was on an honor roll for like my freshman year something or year junior started falling down and i was i was also i was being written up in hoo hoo and university and college and then i lost that and i lost my own scholarship um because um a whole lot of things happen domestically that i'm going to be going to but basically as blissful and as progressive as my mother's side of the family works yeah when i got to new alums i had 180 degrees on the other side with my father's now my father was never on the same yeah my grandmother was apparently in a class with that lady who was civil mother civil's mother okay yeah yeah um because basically uh i'm gonna go through it but she imported a whole negative energy in terms of lowering the self-esteem of practical all of our children and because i was rated by my mom's family and had my instagrams tag she couldn't deal with it right so by the time i graduated from dillard after having told everybody what i want to do is go be in show business and write saying act whatever she's saying to me no you don't go so what you can't go she don't want you to all her kids mainly you're my protagonist you owe me your grandson right you owe me now i'm 20 years old right yeah i've already made it a clear that i want to write acts and she says no you can't do anything with that you're gonna feel like that you stay here you teach school grandma i don't have an education thing i got now i don't care you owe me i'm your grandmother now mind you what can i say ladies and gentlemen love my grandmother but she was in this case a bitch because she had me to raise me right my mother's family why did you listen to her my then my grandmother had died yeah my mother's uh my grandfather had met another lady so basically that family had disappeared so i was forced to deal with my father's side of family and i'm much more dependent way and i was a rebel um which by the time i did get to really go to get my degree and leave um we had a confrontation which involved me coming in to get my clothes uh she said she's waiting for me she talked to me first now she ever seen soap operas yeah this is where it worked because my grandmother by now is a master manipulative and i now know it right so i'm 20 so she comes in first of all she talks very seriously about how i'm being unrealistic you're not good how can you go there you know come straight about all of that look show me no no no i just said then she cries ah when i got you she didn't know no that didn't okay because she saw not the one got me you know she did the next time boom this i'm talking about the south man where grandmother beat the hell out of the kid okay sure enough she whipped the hell out of me oh she will have this uh and um i just stuck my head took one thing and when i left and this is the absolute truth and i'm on the same because i'm on the economy yeah when i left my grandmother cursed me she cursed my father's mother cursed me and told me i would not succeed no she so basically when i went to new york i held all that drudgery in me she said she cursed you she no she cursed me and said i cursed you you would not just leave him by the wrong anyway i yep it's in york city and my grandmother had a dollar my my oldest on my father's side could also try to elope and had problems with my grandmother because sure where's your father and all this he's gone like i said he was devil and so when i went to to new york yeah after having had this from grandma i'm going to thinking my aunt she was the rebel she elope she took me up yeah not no my grandmother called her uh-huh and has dug into that part of my aunt that's still that still that still had that um brainwashing yeah yeah we talk about brainwashing we talk about abusive yeah that abusive energy was there she enough my aunt put me out you got to new york so first five so for the first yeah for the first five weeks that i was in york i was homeless and i was sleeping on top of rooftops i'm sleeping in those little drainage thing that happened and i had a degree in my location right and i had many women could i uh and been involved in a vocal contest in philadelphia uh-huh why one second place and this lady met me then said well if you come to new york call me i'll help york so i didn't realize that i can't let it right away i wouldn't have had to have that but i had so much pride and all that stuff right and i just turned and went to the ymca i would have gotten help all of that all i wasn't thinking like that yeah so i left my brief my suitcase with this lady because i was too ashamed to tell her i was homeless she's thinking he just leave the suitcase and he's going out he's better all right sure enough i get arrested twice the first time i black cop lets me go yeah he found out i'm from dillot and all that he's looking at you can't sleep on top of rooftops okay they go to put you there right sure enough i don't do it we're like so enough the next time i'm not putting a ratio thing on this but his white captain's right me scolds him and puts handcuffs on me and i want to finish it yeah all right so now i'm crying because i know what's gonna happen is what my grandmother predicted she predicted i would feel and showed up that's what's going to happen yeah until on the money that i am in the courthouse i see something mark i'd never seen in my life i see a black judge i think it is a show or something this one can be the judge right and the white guy said yes she right yes she right yes she right and the black sergeant the black i feel he goes up to him with something in there right as whole of judge says really i didn't realize that he had whispered to the judge that i was a college retro right because i had seen my uh diploma yeah the judge said really come up here you college graduate so i said yes sir his name was kenis w stam um he said uh you college graduate i said yes sir he said what's your pre-sus actually he said what's your graduate university now he's going to test me because he thinks i'm lying oh he's gonna see my mind right because proud i'm a Buddhist so i'm not gonna say god did it oh jesus did it yeah i might say god did it but not necessarily okay uh providence at calls him the week before to be in a convention called by Dwight Eisenhower a convention of black college president and lawyer like lawyer so he had met my president right so he said you come from jillan which is president name i said albert w did he said send that boy to my chambers right now i'm sitting there now no something that's happened yeah i'm sorry i'm crying right because i don't know whether he's gonna pack me up and just put a ribbon on it and save you back to the other yeah sure enough he comes in he called the ym c8 and uh the ym c8 uh the executive director um says yeah we'll let him see he's gonna get the job so now still i got a job and while i'm there i go downstairs too because then my wife was in top shape and i still was singing a lot of German leader french arts song and town and all that stuff and you have to sing a classical music even if you're on the more lyrics out of it means you like an athlete you gotta go through it four times a week to a coach and just have that muscle do it is this opera or is it just classical that's a concept that gives more like stuff you hear from handles or you and stuff like that okay okay it's not the arseus yeah maybe some arseus like i sang dala suapace on s and i said yeah because i was a math graduate now that's the more lyric there yeah so anyway yeah so you're in top shape though yeah the gentleman who uh was with the bell of fonda singers who just come there rehearsal right where were you rehearsing the ym c on the really yeah ym c on the history so he hears me and he says to me well you know the little for tenor the bell of fonda thing but for tenor the bell of fonda thing or a group that harry managed and basically sent them out by themselves and only sometimes he sang with them at the Greek theater at um in new york city i saw that but they want about itself so i went in audition and i got a job right and you're like 20 21 21 yeah um i got a job so that's how i started off now the first 10 years of my career basically every half year before like 10 years i was with bell of fonda but that was like maybe six more to you at a job did you have a relationship with him no i can't say that i'm telling the other guys there because i was in the third group right time i get there they're older guys have been in the first two groups right who they really related to him on a much more personal but you're mad at me and i met him and he made jokes sometimes because i was i'm out of it but i was definitely introverted so the fact that he didn't talk to me wasn't maybe because i didn't just do what they did so he had like a franchise going with these groups yeah yeah yeah and he just been to the group whenever it got good okay now that's another story because he disbanded the third group right after we won the focusing award for that year okay you want it yeah we won the focusing award for that year and he just met him but uh why you have to ask him you know i need a dead job but uh so what's my time six months off right so what happened was that's how i got into business and the other six months i need to be doing other stuff or doing offer a broadway plays or we even do the couple i did a couple pogan veses or show bo to two and i was acting off broadway when i was with him so i was building my resume as an actor just an actor when i was working with him by that time i had already hooked up a couple plays uh which uh one of which uh one was a thing called a secret place yeah laura i'm gonna learn my salon laura came town looking for a playwright a writer and one michael's yeah and one of my friends said um hey you look for writer send me a play so i did he read it basically um it has involved a young man who is the child of a minister who has a whole lot of stuff he becomes a cop yeah but a whole lot of stuff is involved in the state and the church and it's more a uh in and out of circle that's about how that works in the mind of anybody who's dealing with trial and steef shit well thank you my ex-wife would disagree you're married at the time no no actually i went mad at that time no i had been a voice at the time already right uh we didn't get to that part right so laura he's looking for a playwright right but you've done you've done some tv already in the movies or anything i had done some movies a couple movies i did um now first when i did a part was where it's pop up yeah with carl ryaner was that fun oh that was a lot of fun carl ryaner's great to work with me yeah yeah he's a sharp guy yeah and he enlarged the part a little bit from me oh yeah yeah and then i did uh the anasthen tapes you know that um city lumen oh yeah in which i actually shoot shawn connery and kill him that's uh he's a deep guy that lumen yeah he was good good good christopher uh welcome was in that oh yeah yeah do you remember did you guys talk and hang out with him a couple of times but um my main uh friend was a guy who was now passed on dick Williams who was a part of the gang that committed to robbery so chris chris chris will walk in dick Williams and the front of us was yeah the ones that and and and shawn um rob just building right and um so i i dick and i was friend didn't make a dick um had a workshop that i worked at which acting workshop oh yeah yeah dick dick had an improvisation workshop we did a lot of improv uh not like second city because second city was more trying to teach you how to be funny right uh i'm probably more to kind of be real which meant you can be funny sometimes you can run back sometimes so you don't you deal with the real stuff so in dicks workshop and in uh give it more than workshops and then grand street here internet workshop at the time more uh if you're in a black workshop or latin where it was dealing with more like problems um junkieism you know um junk of a dicksie drug addiction and precting pregnancy um social issues community yeah and it could become funny yeah sure so for me um when when i did finally become a prodigy not read for plan plan players and they started improvising yeah i was at a serious handicap moment because second city i was so amazed particularly at all of them yeah but for me john and put me with more so gilded just like effortless effortless in getting to the thing that was funny you know and there there well how did that be so lorn thought he's looking for playwright and how do you get in there oh oh you want the nasty story say no not really what okay what happened was uh there were a couple people who felt i could not write uh and a matter fact because after about eight months being there i realized that although i could write plays and wish you had long speeches but he hired you right right but i wasn't getting down to writing stuff 30 seconds long i mean it long and i had to write except that i did give one idea yeah they came out of a play yeah in the play right secret place secret place that the point because it's about a cop who infiltrates this black nationalist group right and in that group we hear the group say comically that when they go to fundraisers attended by blacks they don't get shit yeah right yeah oh they get a little bit yeah when they go to uh uh uh a fundraiser attended by whites particularly youth ridden whites yeah take it loads of money yeah right yeah so it wasn't so much they were putting down but they were glad that these whites have a little bit of guilt all right yeah yeah right so the joke was this black nationalist group waiting for black cars gets invited from white people right all right that made it in right so it almost did for me until the person i told it to told it to somebody else uh who took it and wrote it as their role and didn't let me in right you're not mentioning names i'm not gonna mention name because you're gonna guess it but this gentleman is a brilliant man uh his life now he's talking about other than he's now politically active oh yeah very important political person and was one of the writers arrested now the original so you know it is like uh he was a brilliant man who i knew at the time was a wrestling chap i knew that but i'm so grateful if you're fuck with me yeah i'm coming at you even if i know you can break my leg he's right he's a stalker gonna rest and that day i was going to right i was gonna do a school image of you know school image of you know he knocked out of white producer in 1967 have you ever heard him since no okay oh no okay so so i was i was i knew it was gonna be rough yeah i knew i might win it he might fuck with me yeah but i was so pissed off that the one idea that i got instead of saying i cooperate with you right because he had more going he had more juice about it he could have done what he always do partly in somebody who's less experienced right he told me like really to this day that particular moment of life to me is not one of his brightest moment no he's a brilliant man who has a lot of great moments but that moment was a moment when he simply took advantage of the one he thought he could do it too yeah so what happened was i'm a buddus right who believes for buddis then no i wasn't but i'm now and i was there i was that it called effect called effect could i was still cool about i'm gonna tell you how serious it was i wasn't even sweating i was so serious i wasn't even nervous i had made up my mind i can take that guy down i was gonna do something to let him know how much i didn't like what he did sure if i get there and somebody else i say oh yeah learn once you're in a green room yeah so i'll go to green room and they're looking at coolly high and they kind of my part and i think mr mason and that's the thing no i'm saying the movie you did yeah yeah yeah and uh lon said i want you to audition for the not read from panda i'm glad but did lor no that you and you and that unspoken guy were at at odds or no i i remember saying something about it yes but let's face it yeah it's like your word against it for sure but do you think he had you in as some sort of concession like you know it's let me let me get to the part because basically two people didn't want me there right two people on the staff the others were dealing with hey keep him here but some people who were reducible green were the two writers the end writers uh loran at that time showed me that he's the guy you may be a devil but you his devil and when he wants to get ready he'll get ready you then all right so basically that's what he his response to them was so he agreed um to hook me up and then not ready for time but i'm pleased and really and check me not have me be a writer which means that year when they won the writing the Emmy i didn't get one so this day yeah it's something that's in my crawl yeah yeah the boot is taking care of it right uh boot is taking care of that right right but here's the thing is that particular piece about the uh black nationalist yeah yeah that piece um came out this week and i did do it yeah right you acted in yeah and it uh was a way of really making it funny and making a point because in it i say uh yeah i stand here represent 400 years of oppression you know you white people i know you feel guilty about it when you treat my grandma my great grandpa and my great grandpa that's right my great grandmuddle you're the same got raped by her sleep master and my great grand father we'll see yeah he too got raped by his same method they matter mind him again oh by anyway i know you feel guilty for all those who feel guilty don't worry i come with relief i'm gonna relieve your guilt here's i'm gonna relieve your guilt send me some money okay send me some money send it to and i gave you a message and i say if you send me forward you live for it i will send you an official documenting document certified new as an official certified Negro right and that's how it came out yeah that's funny i remember that yeah but that's not that involved and you didn't get the enemy for writing it no i didn't get the enemy for writing it damn but uh you know that's the way it's something that's you know i put it down more so that's how show business go i didn't look about it as racist right but look at what as system not systematically racist right the system sure but uh the people there deal with deal with deal with but did you feel that you know when you're working in that first in those first few seasons did you feel uh isolated did you feel like yeah yeah yeah but my isolation i have to blame on my part if i was definite a introvert 100 percent yeah i didn't do just supposed to do what you know after the show you should hang out with the people on the show go to the bar with them even their relationship that's when that was established right when you were you're the first guy i haven't talked to any of the originals you're it buddy really i talked to the rain went alive one for like 15 minutes that's it really no no no no no no no no no yeah okay i didn't talk to chevy i didn't talk to Dan i'm talking none of them i haven't talked to her it wow really and i've talked to a lot of SNL people but you're the only one that has been in this garage that was an original prime time player wow does that that put me up on your white camera okay okay glad i'm talking about the level of your taste but i see what you know okay well all that stuff was established in those first few seasons you do the show you go out your party you hang out you meet because it was getting out which i never did just because that's who you are it was because you can like people you're just a personal you're introvert and i would go home yes it's a lot of cold and do a lot of okay i'm not trying to sound like i'm some uh probably be going to do a using monage i'll have with a couple of yeah couple of girls yeah that's what i did that's right that's not terrible but it does mean that it's something like missing that golf game that you talk about right you know that golf game where the business happened right right you should build a relationship you should make sure that if you work with have an attitude of positive contributing that they feel you're contributing if they don't then you're like that guy's a problem you're not confused yet sure yeah uh and i and i realized that's one of my fault but by the same token as a certain lethargy involved in a show that has established a premise that you start working out because i feel that the radical premise that is established in 75 should have included with ease might be able to be a black thing on every show right i had a fight for it to be on the show at all i had a fight for representational being on the show oh and not being a couple of lines even though i did but finally started happening with uh baseball be met at school and stuff like that yeah um but again i'm not even saying it's i accept some of the response but a lot of you have to do with the system and people who simply don't want to fight what they see the system do it so you you you consider yourself being stereotyping and in the token black guy and and sort of pigeon-old in roles that were were minimized yeah but i might i don't think of myself as a token but i know that was being used okay uh they don't know what's going on behind we used a couple years ago right with that show right there's not a black people so a lot of bloodletting was being done but it just wasn't working right so a lot of people will say well why did you so and so watch this as if if you do if they do that it's going to happen right in mind the republic is right now it's giving those motherfucker wouldn't do it nearly as good as maracas doing right now yet they're saying when they're president they don't know that yeah he's the president and he knows what's coming out of him when the real president is there yeah same thing with program that people look at it and think that you can actually work out your activist in terms feeling believe me i'm practically where bernie sanders is in my head right i'm sure and you know what i mean i'm sure but rock is too but i like the fact that he realized he could not do that he's like anything done now i disagree with does not have the single payment thing okay yeah i wish he would wait harder not to have those motherfucking insurance companies and charge it everything okay on that conservatives have a good argument but still it is an accomplishment to have it at all right nobody ever did that's right yeah incremental progress right is a little progress and sort of thing like people look at programs yeah even like the one i'm on now yeah i have people say two broken what does that what does that as if i can go tell fifteen writers hey god damn it from now on you write every 14 and every line's got to be one that i get every laugh at foot you know why because of my fans meet me on those feet that said to me hi no i'm losing my job oh first of all and then what i do i call that fan and say let me some money he said god are you crazy you know me so you follow the thing of these people on those feet at your peril well you got to make yeah and there's a life before a compromise is just got to deal with what you can live with look obviously there's about two people i thoroughly admire dr. West and tabbas who have had me on the program but i don't really like the real tenor of attacking the integrity okay of the better because he doesn't do what i on the arshwood left side would like to have i'd like to have marijuana universally legal i would have like to have medicare that's it no forget the insurance i'd like to have that but if he's there and only once that it has happened if corona westwood in there or tabbas on me it wouldn't happen either right because the forces against us i don't think i can really gaze at unless i'm there i have no right to say here attack as integrity i have some concerns about a tabbas smile uh smiley presidency now i'm not putting to have his eye because i i really admire the challenge of his show but i'm just saying i would not attack the president of llamas integrity on that one gee with everybody else i did it from the right side so did you feel like you were getting this you were getting a lot of this type of feedback when you're on s&l did you feel i got a lot of that i got um okay i'll give you a story because i used to look at the jet to see myself and the jet hasn't yet every day jet every week yet would mention black performance right the jefferson right there never mentioned never did that was easy that look i'm on tv yeah i'm black yeah right uh and all the time and you know i'm not looking for it with this statement please nobody called him yeah there a whole lot of things that happen in that that image show way back there i used to go just to look and see mind you i'd already been nationally criticized and lauded for being said that lot of said that lot and a whole lot of things that issue and from it i'm sure affected comedy and stuff you know then i'm just a whole lot of stuff i've never ever been and never been into the body to want to show for anything really never right not that i should have been but i'm saying as a win which seriously i know no i'm saying which i know that certain people out there who think because you're black that's all no black people have a right to have that difference so there's some black people look at me really in a way that makes you feel great the others who look at me really even now as an absolute uncle talk right or as someone who because i didn't perform the way they would have should be dealt with as anatomah and i'm gonna call some name a great program that are on one program they were gonna do a re-thing of on Saturday night like we're going back okay Saturday night and they send a lady to invite to do a video do a recording of me about to show for 45 minutes 45 minutes right they don't invite me to be honest you i'm not going to say who to work well then please don't fulfill me a lot of more and they invite my beautiful lady Jane and she had me to actually be on stage with the person is right and i'm gonna i'm gonna pay it on way right i went up for the person right sure enough they do nothing at all about me right now mind you i absolutely absolutely view eddie mr free as an unqualified genius yeah who deserves all of the praise yeah for whatever you don't yeah i don't see why that means garrad Morris is anatomah to some blacks i don't understand that yeah there's some really on the higher levels who feel that way and this particular person showed it to me because when they did in fact have me it was when the commercial was coming on they had about 10 seconds of the 45 minute thing which tells the world doesn't know it but i understand that that's what it's saying you motherfucker this is what i take it anyway but when you were there i mean working with these people like you did you get along with like jambalushi and jane and everybody look let's put it i think john was an extraordinary ingenious actor i was on cocaine and nobody did to my personality i never did what he did with cocaine but i'm gonna grant that a lot of the negative stuff that found us to begin to happen for you now he came out of that all right i didn't realize you guys were in you had fights and stuff no it's more like that win which for whatever reason that he began to deal with me as an enemy yeah i'm sitting here and i never understood why yeah unless it was because of my rankings which you know which everybody whole lot of people talk about me then and it's crazy oh you know look what i mean because people do and they all okay i did it okay so there's some stories that i did not engage in but i'm allowing my because i did so much other crazy shit throw that in there too all right because i was so that's absolutely that i'm actually naked in front of a cook Douglas right which i never did but i'm gonna hate throw that in there too say whatever the hell you want right in other words the belief is that if you can say i got what great of cocaine then you can lie about him and he should have never did everything right did everything so how did it ultimately end there like what happened with you and lorna how'd that go well nothing happened really in five years we were all fired all right go uh and i think a lot of me had to do with what all of us were doing that was dysfunctional i didn't realize i just talked to no john's well yeah uh could have let you with it let you yeah um but um i personally and don't have a lot of stuff i'm saying about the other people anyway because freepid i really didn't hang out with them and it's not a part of me to give up on that i mean i'm talking about you know about me sure i'm talking about you do you have relationships with any of them now and do you ever talk to them do you ever run into shapies always were answered that like this i've been in a hundred shows but they're only sure that people want me to actually have a relationship with is people who say that no i haven't although i wish that guilty of what's the wrong because guilt was a kind of lady who she would make you she would write you yeah um i love jane but i think jane was in in multi-vinny yeah yeah lucky devil uh and um although lauraine is on the west go again my i had gone out of my introversion so i'll tell my i don't know people from my high school sure no i know i know i obviously people would ask that but i'm always like i'll ask anybody yeah you know business how come you guys were in a movie you're not hanging out but tom davis has not became uh uh uh better friend before he passed away yeah not too long ago oh but i that's right because he was very very young yeah um but other than that no i you know it's as much my fault as gang um you know you got a real well how did it feel going back for that that anniversary that was great that was fantastic man and you guys you it was no one amazed me look not unlike when you just did that bit earlier is how easily and quickly everyone popped into those old bits oh yeah it was like fuck it yesterday i mean you see dandy the best nomadic yeah right fuck fuck right now who like yeah it was like time travel dude i come fucking believe it i actually admit not that i'm saying it's a good thing i'm betting seropillot right and the thing is it's hard it's really and i'm gonna say this as a compliment yeah you've got to be really you've got to really impart what is going uh and intellectually dysfunctional aura for me not even to notice that you are really good-looking chick okay i put that right right okay because she's really a very good-looking chick but i swear from all i've seen a it took me a moment to say oh get all that other stuff out of the way and yes you all right so what happened after SNL well after that i had a couple years in which i was you know recovering i went to my own lick my moon or my where'd you go well in New York my wife then freedom i'll say hey let's go there like you know let's check it out and uh at first it was snow because i did a whole bunch beautiful years of horror films excuse me yes i did it for the money fuck y'all okay uh and they paid some nice break for these films and i did uh and what i can start coming out about in the 90s yeah oh you're still out of your mind yes i'm a man i'm still doing the cocaine thing yeah and um it took me a moment i forgot what it was but um did the jefferson's yeah did the jefferson the jefferson right that's good oh my god i was good oh i love loshurman and isabel and maulin who i've done so much with lady um but shumman was so jonjina so visible and um michael moi who was one of the writers is one of the guys who got me in right and they had a whole six episode series yeah with uh me as uh son who had uh conned him out of money and then i came back and uh so you guys some respect as an actor when you came out here yes yeah yeah but because of the mantle of comedy that was so on me nobody knew that before that all i did was drama i had at least about 20 dramatic stuff we did car wash before that was before that was right right right right right right yeah one of my one other thing i did with dramatic sense then the thing called jackpot yes check it out on your uh netflix or whatever jackpot starring jared moi and jonison gris but um it's been few and for obviously and i'm not complaining because i've done martin i've done jamey fox uh Ellen show you down quite a little right now you're well employed yes thank you and morgan murphy and she hooked us up that's right who by the way you should know that this guy should thank morgan murphy uh because she's a fine looking british lady yes apparently is non-judgmental well it took a few years it took a few years it took a little we worked it out you worked it out okay wait what's the story about you getting shot yeah i uh i heard a telling that story because i i know you i know you got shot i think she's got shot but oh yeah um what i'm um i'm gonna get my car done getting done how long goes this 1993 i ran the um um um marathon did you last year the marathon on hope no okay yes right i'm not fact i'm 94 94 uh uh uh no i went on the actual 94 it went i got shot uh and um no marathon after that i uh was um getting my car done a guy there's a guy uh his name is kamadi uh it was kamadi but he was taking care of somebody else when i went to his plate so i said well kamadi i'm gonna get some energy so if you want something he said no so i go out and there's a couple gangs on either side of the street yeah and a couple of them said hey uh stand hey i do so they don't meet yeah right uh but i don't realize that some people don't right right and i have on this black jacket that had a fur on the back of it right and i'm thinking that this person who jumped me wanted to jacket uh but he jumped me wrong because believe me i at the time i was five foot six yeah wait maybe i'm hard and fifty five pounds although i am a black belt at the time yeah in no way am i about to charge into anything okay my main thing is to follow richard primes where i'm trying to get out of your way to comedy first of all all right i'm trying to reason out of your way right and only if you get me in a corner well i'd be like a cat who even for pitbull gets a cat in the corner before the pitbull kills that cat yeah he's going through a lot of shit which after the thing you'll say damn i'm sorry i did that yeah right so i'm saying all day to say had the guy come in front of me with a gun and say mr. Morris hand me your money i was hand me that coat i said yes i said my coat he had my money my wife's at home go get that bitch yeah take my car everything no he came from behind now i hadn't been in a dojo in years and again i'm saying my mentality is not to charge anybody with a gun you got a gun my hands going up right as a matter of fact the first thing uh duck soon son who taught me uh taught us first he starts a class off with you know you know person bullet i asked my man nagas said nagas what he said and duck soon repeated you know he said he says you're not faster than a bullet he starts his catheter yeah right so believe me had the guy come from his front i would have been told he can't run so i go into my routine right away so i hadn't been in a dojo so i'm in brats in his ass right and i turn around to side kick him and the gun is pointing at me right now say hold on but pow oh yeah they go through my arm into my thing uh get a colossomy i had to wear for like eight months i was out for um it ricocheted my body knocked out of all of my arm i was in a coma for like four days i had i had arterial restoration and you were working at that time right i had to have one my number five is missing because the bullet um went didn't go through it went into the middle of it and it was a dumbbell that didn't explode so i got out of miracles and only because it traveled ricocheting did it lose velocity so by the time it hit hard bone it had lost enough velocity oh you were not gonna beat you right so i had about t the other wheelchair another couple of years of the body care so and i was so i would not walk or run i was so i wouldn't run which they'd chew on that and i wouldn't walk without assistance well if i could get it up but i can walk without assistance you know and to show you how things happen that can lower yourself a theme in one case and raise it another you and i believe they're getting fired could actually raise yourself a thing but would you all right i got fired while i was in in a hospital undergoing ten media operations the producers of the show fired me from the show i was in what show martin okay and the thing that really fucks with me is that martin went around the world onto talk shows telling people that he went by my bed and cried for me when in fact i was sitting on a bed after the second third major operation and got a script saying about my part stand stand sells the radio station and moves to china now tell me mark does that mean i'm still in a fucking show no i don't have a hell no right yet this guy at the nerve to do that and then go around telling people he had done the opposite and i know it sounded like i'm dropping a dime but i don't mind dropping it on what i consider to be hypocrisy right in the booth of hypocrisy yeah okay having said that those people who know him know that um brilliant comedian yeah maybe even a genius when it comes to that yeah but when it comes to treating people in a certain way yeah he's also a genius at that too yeah but i could never imagine myself having somebody in a hospital who's been in my show right having me do anything else but write the play in a way that fits what happened why can stand i've been in an accident and still be in the show right what happened to me came out of ego that's what i'm talking about sure yeah somebody who had had something against me anyway for whatever reason i got to chest now right because he was believing that it was drug related which it wasn't right he didn't know the story he didn't know the story and didn't care about the story of an acting out if it had been gerrylish what about the guy who'd been in your show for three fucking years what about your leadership wait until you know the fucking real story right you never talk to me you never said anything to me yet based on whatever you thought i was fired after after after four major operations and i i'm sorry for with this when i talk about i got to tell the truth so you've you've recovered i doing all right i'm doing fine yeah you look good well thank you you got all your marbles well my ex-wife my disobe that was so many ex-wives too uh-huh you got kids no i don't i have a whole lot of beautiful neffries oh that's nice they i look i hope they listen happily jawfully they keep me broke okay so i don't have kids that put my money on by and that's sweet though you're doing all right you got actually they work for me oh do that yeah then i'm my machine which very seriously because of my needs to know oh that's great and did you did you own a comedy club yes yes yes and for those who may be interested we are on hold until february la blues and comedy check it out we're on hold until february what does that mean on hold we're down uh the short scores until february and what do you do how does that show work what do you do down there uh me and a guy named deacon jones was a great uh having three b-3 august we do blues and comedy because my opinion blues itself is just somebody so the variety show right um so uh we do uh interspersed our blues our songs with uh several comedians and what's the venue uh huh where's it at well right now we know where oh all right so you don't have a home we don't have a home right now no and when we walked into the you were in my kitchen you saw that that uh that drawing of red box oh red fox there hey he was a god to me man did you know him let me tell your story man one of the most beautiful stories in my life yeah was when i went to safari safari to see him mind you as a kid i've seen him at the dixest area in the orland uh and i've seen him on tv uh and i had already had the honor uh when i was inside in that life of knowing that he had implied he had incurred whether or not i could come do an episode of samsung and as i'm sitting there listening to him do his show doing his worst safari safari in love figure okay he's doing gotta wash ass right yeah classic yeah so i'm going through the whole thing and my wife at the time frita says he's talking about you so i said now you're talking about me then i listened and i realized he said this guy came to him to a new hollens i said oh yeah right you know he does what stand up gary marsh everybody give gary marshall hand and he talked for about a minute about me they say okay man sit down i see my dressing room half-swords and he called a guy there they have a poco or pippy go take the dressing room and i'm not gonna say what else happens to the dressing room okay yeah good time well good time i had a good time right good time i tell you this he had the finest looking young chick from ohio you talking about robin the craze was a pretty good coke too he robbed a wound oh boy he he he he he he liked to have fun he did you say pretty good coke yeah didn't say that but you didn't say that i said it no okay yeah everybody you bought it right he had the kind of stuff that key to proudly now yeah he wasn't that way when i was somebody for you yeah but i got talking to about key he talked about himself key richard when he was come richard when he was come richard when he come to the show the good thing about key yeah is that he wouldn't have the bad connection i was there yeah because that would be stomped on all this time right right he would have pure pharmaceutical cake that rises up from the fucking bottom he'd bring it i said why is it if you're about it yeah i read that's that's what it's your look i'm carrying it up to my mother and he was just ooh the whole fucking table man nah that's key i talk to him that's why he's still alive gary yes i know you talk about really knocking you out because i know what you say about his other life i regard him as an other genius who yeah oh yeah other he i heard across the room on the phone gary is that you yeah yeah you know who also knocks me out what i mean who is i think one of the most magnanimous guys who i know to talk about it's acting i love it's acting tom hanks oh yeah i saw him on his rubbish show right now dig cavities everybody's there right i'm not even in a room yet i'm behind the cavities he's right like that ladies and gentlemen first i saw and he starts quoting cavities thing oh the top star tonight yeah come on in here this is tom fucking hanks right now i know you said he's like buddy yes he is but you understand every time i miss him nice guy he's been a nice guy you're not even aware of the fact that this is a fucking academy award winner who got millions in the bank and some he i mean i'm sure he gives whatever by that way yeah he seems like a good guy yeah well i tell you something man your grandma was wrong you did all right thank you show business is very very good to you garem words thank you muk hey you do all right man it's just go right ladies and look at go i'm working from a home player i know that some porno mags around here we'll do that after i'll give you some porn i want to see some genogemos and then some less the nesadero i could do that right on the computer but nesadero real yeah yeah remember i do remember her all right buddy thank you all right man okay thank you muk that was fun lot of fun lot of fun man oh let's see what time is it can i go to where you go away yeah is that six twenty nine yeah i'm a six twenty yeah i'll go anywhere yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's easy from here man right i'll show you show you i'm coming over baby if you're talking about with you okay okay i'll be able to be all right okay bye she sounds like a nice lady okay that was uh garem words i hope you had a good time uh i i i enjoyed that immensely go to wtf pod for all your wtf pod needs let's not get into it too deep i'm sort of in a time crunch right now i need to play guitar right go clean right into the the little beast with the black beauty