All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuckers?
What the fucksters? What's happening? I'm Mark Marin. This is WTF.
This is my podcast. Welcome to the show. My guest today is comedian Ryan Singer. A good friend of mine has been on this show in small bits and pieces many times over the years today's Ryan's day to have his full interview.
He's been a good friend of mine for years. He's open for me on the road. He's got a new CD out called Immortal for Now. He's also going to be appearing tonight at Doc's Lab, which is the old purple onion in San Francisco.
And he's on the show today. Ryan Singer. Yay. I'm going to be the last day of shooting for season four of my show, Marin, which can be seen on IFC starting in May.
You can watch seasons one through three of Marin on Netflix. It's not really a plug. I'm not trying to plug. I'm just telling you.
So let's reenter the conversation about the buzz that's coming through my receiver. And this is a problem with dealing with audio that you now have some sort of sense of perfection invested in or some sort of emotional commitment to the nostalgia effect of running analog audio through old receivers and equipment to time travel like I do. I can't I can't not have music on right now. I just I don't know what it is.
If I if I have music on almost all the time in my house or wherever I am alone primarily, then whatever voices that are not singing to me within me that are not generally saying pleasant things or maybe not reflecting on the best things, they get sort of drowned out by some of the amazing musicians and people's records that I listen to. So it is psychologically beneficial in my great journey to avoid and distract myself from existential paralysis. I think that's healthy. Am I a better person?
Do I feel better? Yeah. I feel better than I expected by something that's pleasant in my ears and not necessarily something on a computer screen that's going to cause me anxiety, like the speedball that is Twitter. But I'm getting to the point where I might have to try to build a Faraday box.
I didn't know what a Faraday box was. I'm not sure I do know what a Faraday box is. I'm not sure I understand what a Faraday box is, but if you're getting if your equipment's getting pummeled by external waves, I believe they may be called RF waves might be the ones I'm dealing with radio transmitter waves, something antenna, but the Faraday box is something that has to be made out of steel or copper mesh from what I understand and it has to surround the piece of equipment and then you have to ground it and it will deflect whatever electrons or electro bubbles or electricity waves are coming at it or coming at your receiver or whatever piece of equipment it is that's picking up these waves and causing trouble in the quieter moments of wonderful music. So I'm going to get that stuff and I'm going to build one and it's going to be a big pain in my ass because now I can't look at my pretty old meringues.
I got to look at this giant box covered in copper tape that I have to put over the thing in order to play a record. Faraday box apparently planes are basically flying Faraday boxes so we don't get jarred by lightning and fried in our chairs before the plane crashes. But Faraday box on the horizon protected from renegade frequencies that can just pound their way in and cause some unpleasant noises and buzzing and bad sounds. So that's where I'm at.
I'm at the Faraday box stage. All right, so let's track it. And you know, see, some of you wonder why is Mary and talk about himself all the time? Go back on the go to the archives on how dot FM and listen back.
One of the reasons I choose to talk about my small world and my large brain keeping me trapped in my small world and whatever I take in within it is because there's a it doesn't necessarily hardly ever date itself that I was very aware going into this that if I did a podcast or utilize this medium to talk about current events or be constantly in relation to current events that that I would have they would have a shelf life of nothing. They would be dated. I knew that. But I'm not always insulated well friends.
So the other night I kind of fell down a pit. It's stupid. I did a few sets at the comedy store. Did one good one.
Pretty good one where I kind of got out on the ice and dicked around a little bit and paid off. That was early show in the original room then I did the main room where I just did some good material that I liked with a great audience. I followed the octave smear enough who who also did well the comedy store. Bring up Rogan after me and I killed it was a great set and I did a later set in the small room again in the original room and I'm trying to work on new materials and the way I do that is to get on stage and I ramble through some stuff that I think is going to go somewhere and I hope that the great muses the comedy muses deliver to me in that moment where I laugh is needed.
The line that I will need to get that I wait for it to spontaneously occur and sometimes it's a longer way than others but the premises themselves were funny enough to at least be entertaining and my struggle with them was funny enough to be entertaining. But I did not receive a transmission. I did not receive a transmission from the comedy muses from the great whatever I wish I see that's that's exactly what happened right there I waited for something an analogy a metaphor I hope it would pop in did not pop in I didn't outline this but it didn't pop in so I was left hanging and you saw it you witnessed exactly what happens to me when I'm writing the material on stage. It doesn't always happen.
All right but it's just part of the process so I did that which you know I should just be doing the job I should just be doing the job I should be entertaining. I got up on stage that third show I was doing and this is what sent me spiraling and you're going to it's stupid I was looking for an opportunity to spiral so I go up there and I riff through some stuff didn't work great got some laughs was trying jokes that worked on the very first show that were new and and they just didn't pan out that third show didn't pan out and I knew that but I knew it wasn't bad and I'm in the hall after the sudden getting ready to run away in my car because there were friends of mine there to see me and I didn't feel good about the set and I still have that sensitivity some guy comes barreling out an older guy maybe a little older than me all lit up looks like a tourist he goes hey hey hey he goes you're funny man you're funny it was the material okay and I go what he goes you're funny you're really are funny up there you know I can see that you're funny but the material just wasn't there and this was a compliment that was negated immediately after was set up from me with that I utilize that but the bottom line was because I said my first time seeing you I think you're really funny it's just a material you know I'm like all right I get it man I don't need to hear three times but he was right I should have just done the pro set I went up there and noodled around and I had to I felt that that tinge of humiliation this is the downfall of doing comedy is that embarrassment is incredibly disconcerting and uncomfortable being embarrassed is a horrible feeling it's a very tangible feeling it's not deadly but it's it's it's horrible and there's no shortage of the opportunity for that when you do stand up comedy and one of the reasons I think I did is I'm a constant economy was to have a certain amount of control over that but I did go on beating the shit out of myself realizing like yeah that material isn't there it'll be there I didn't say that though I spent a couple days and like not even having any more I don't got any material in anymore that was the end of it there's no way I'm gonna be able to pull another hour out of my fucking heart and out of my mind it's over that's why I went because that mother fucker said that and I think he was honestly trying to compliment me where's the Faraday cage for the brain where's the Faraday where's the protective mesh one builds around their inner sanctum of their mind where when there's just a little vulnerability I usually have one I've been pretty good with my my mental Faraday cage of protecting myself from bad energy coming in and collapsing the whole sound of the inside of my inner monologue and dialogue and interpersonal relationship with myself from within but there was a little vulnerability it was a little crack in the mesh that night and that guy just spat out that half compliment and set an electron past my my mesh that protects my mind and it just started to wreak havoc by the time I got home I needed to stuff my feelings with food and to masturbate it all away and then I woke up feeling gross and shitty and small and human and not completely sure I would ever be able to do anything funny again end of story but let's get now to my guest Ryan Singer Ryan Singer a great friend of mine someone who's been on this show in various capacities over the years live shows the creation creationist museum show he's been in here for short interviews well now now today is Ryan's day today is Ryan Singer's day here on WTF he's been a good friend to me and he's a funny guy I've taken him out on the road with me he's actually tonight in San Francisco at the old purple onion which is called a Doc's lab and he's got a new CD out called Immortal for Now and he's a searcher and he's the real deal he's out there doing the business folks he's out there doing the funny so let's go now to my conversation with Ryan Singer this is it I guess this is it long time coming right coming down the pipe no but if you thought that have you at all Harvard any resentment or malice in your heart with the wise you know I'm Aaron's friend why haven't I done a well I mean full thing well this is where I'm launching from my perspective on this I mean some people have asked me like oh haven't you done a full length one I was like well listen I've done a live one and asked bin I was a while ago I've been in the garage a bunch of times yeah and then I was like I understand where they're coming from but they don't understand where I'm coming from or to the degree of all the other things you've done for me right you've helped me out a big time I mean you're my mentor oh come on so you're driving my whole car you're gonna teach me how to polish boots later I will do that I don't know like this one those things where I've got my own style that I think is the right way to go but I imagine there are other people that are like don't ever do that with a boot who the fuck told you to do that I feel like you are polishing boots in my mind the image I have is you trying to like strangle rabbit or like I feel like it would be very furious no no it's meditational like I got shit I got all this stuff but okay so let's go back the first time I met you was in Cincinnati yeah Cincinnati years ago I think I had you sign your book for me yeah you were there that's back when you were still a ramerica radio days oh that horrible weekend where no one showed up yeah well I mean except me in a bunch of a bunch of all the comments and take yeah and take that was a bad weekend because I'm like I felt like I didn't want the guy to give me the money because like he had he had really assumed that I was gonna just pack that place because they're American literally it was the opposite yeah but that there's no way that dude would not pay you I mean that's the kind of guy he was when he was he's he's back there working again but he's not booking the club anymore but that's the club I came up at so it's like you can't like in our minds that was never even an issue but let's talk about the evolution of the wild man because I think at the time I met you it was just beginning but there was a time previous to that where you had a haircut that was the proper haircut yeah you dressed like a road comic you seem to be on a different trajectory so let's let's walk it back so you grew up in Ohio I grew up in Ohio yeah very catholic family you know but let's let's hold up here so you grew up in Ohio how many siblings I got to two two born and then others three sisters sisters sisters yeah two sisters no brother and sister I got a couple steps sisters well out of fragmenting yeah a lot of fragmenting a lot of babies but which part of Ohio Southern Ohio State Ohio yes I don't know much about Ohio Ohio is like a classic American state you hear the word Ohio never means good things yeah which is interesting to me you know I try not to I take it with a grain of salt out here especially you know when you got the you know coast bias yeah sure you know everyone calls it the flyover states right you know you don't really pay attention to that because you know a lot of the food comes from there so it's like well I mean you're eating out here oh so you're like fuck you we have pigs yeah we have pigs we do pigs my mom and Anne actually have a grass fed cow business that they've been doing for years right now yeah an organic you know no no stairway they've been doing it for like 10 years like tomorrow you could go visit cows oh yeah I do all the time you do they got the horns to the ones that are from like Scotland or whatever they look like where the wild things are those bees yeah and they're in their scary but do they live on the farm they live on the farm your mom and aunt does my aunt lives on the farm that my grandpa and grandma had wait a minute yeah your grandpa and grandma had a cattle farm or whether or no it was not always a cattle farm what was it was a corn farm and they held on to it yeah my grandpa was Air Force guy who's like a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force and then he bought a bunch of land out there because right at Air Force base is out there but outside of Dayton outside of Dayton so a lot of Air Force people out in that area and they bought land when it was like coming back from what years ago from like a little tent colonel during what period in the military well gosh he was Korean War oh really yeah so there's land available land grab I mean if I got a deal a break for being in the service sure you think oh yeah a ton of acres out there and a beautiful house spent a lot of time out there as a kid growing up your grandparents place yeah my grandparents on my mom's side and how many acres like are we talking I'm I'm guessing I don't really know I'm guessing at least probably 30 40 acres oh that's a pretty big yeah so okay so your mom grows up out there sure and it's a big old farmhouse legal farmhouse and there was corn no pigs he didn't do any of the farming yeah they did lease out the land a lot of people lease out there right you guys do it pay the lease and give us a cut yeah yeah but there's always a corn subsidies for this or that you know they do more with corn I think I might be ingesting corn right now not even know it you probably are I think there's corn in the air now corn syrup is everywhere corn syrup is everywhere and there's corn other things I don't know they just corn always gets used I don't know why the white corn I guess soybeans are kind of moving in they're kind of moving up the charts well corn is like I think generally the cross-border everyone's decided it's not good corn syrup is shitty it's a it's a horrible sweetener that gets everybody fat and you know it's hard to digest it which is where you get all those classic corn poop jokes it goes in the same way it comes out which one is no point in it and I'm a big fan of those jokes sure how can you not be yeah I'd say it's each and Sean I like the way you got the corn in it for texture man I just saw on Instagram today Tommy Chong is getting ready to release his new mixtape called corn in my shit never goes away yeah so they grew up out there and then I spent a lot of time out there's a kid they would just drop us off during the summers of course but no animals back then no no other hell we said a bunch of dogs and cats run around all kinds of cats and random dogs run around now is this the grandmother I hear so much about that's grandma Jesus that's what we call her she was hardcore Catholic I mean we're talking like when I was a teenager if I was dating a girl the first question I remember was is she Catholic right don't be unequally yoked and I was like I mean I'm equally yoked at some biblical term about not being I guess Catholic so you grew up with that shit I grew up with that shit like the because we could drop out there on the farm for like a month at a time it felt like on the summer and you just you know wake up every morning and we have to you know do all the farm work and all that if it's if they're in the land out they did that they had a chicken coop you know that's how we went and got our breakfast we'd go and raid the chicken coop grab a bunch of eggs and then you bring them in the house and you grab a cook eggs yeah fresh eggs like that and I'll tell you something it's when you're a little kid it's scary as hell stealing eggs from chickens yeah because you're stealing their babies you know what I mean and they don't like that shit so you and your brother and your sister are you the oldest no I'm the middle child who's the youngest my sister oh yeah and so yeah but like I did learn a valuable lesson because there was one what is it a rooster I guess the guy who just got to you know I guess have sex with all the chickens and I was like my grandma's like yeah that's the guy who that's the one you know and he was the one who got real the most pissed off when you're in there just squawking at you and but yeah we do that and I think they did have a cow too because I milked a cow as a kid somewhere yeah it's a vague memory I remember grabbing those things yeah and there were horses too because my aunt had it was boarding horses she always kind of lived on a back house on the farm and she would board in like train horses yeah so I remember there was horse lady horse lady so a couple donkeys here and there really huh huh donkeys yeah I learned how to ride a horse when I was very young can you ride it now yeah but I'm probably I went and saw I was out there last summer and they have this big black stallion and it's gorgeous and I was actually scared to approach it because it's been so long since I've been around the horse you guys stay on the horse yeah yeah you do and they are huge I know they're terrified me yeah I did ruin a horse once or a pony you broke a pony well we could you not supposed to feed them when you're sitting on them yeah they always told us that but we did anyways because we're stupid little kids right and what happens was they get used to eating while someone's you know doing that so then this horse wouldn't stop turning its head around and just biting your leg yeah I had that experience horrible when putting a saddle on they bite you on the side that's fucking worse there's no way like dudes who have the mindset to deal with large animals like that they're just sort of like they're just dumb fucking animals and I'm the boss I don't have that I barely have that with my cat and they're the worst because they don't ever register that yeah no I can't I do love a horse man but I couldn't people are like oh I want to I never understood that either like oh I want a horse yeah I want a horse give me a horse it's like you want a horse yeah like a lot of responsibility yeah like that's a fucking horse but okay so you're getting eggs grandma Jesus is killing us with you know fill us with like book of revelations type shit where's your where your parents during this they drop you off at Jesus farm oh yeah and they're on their own I mean they're both raised in Catholic you know big large strictly Catholic background the back but you're not Italian you're not Polish Irish okay mostly Irish Catholic yeah I got a German English French I don't know but mostly Irish my mom says it's the black Irish where I get their hair I think so I'm just seeing that now I never realized it but you're like some crazy mick yeah yeah so that makes sense but it's so funny because like you know the rooster thing that like a lot of your your bits now your broad crazy man bits you know have to do with survival and persistence and mysticism and in biological things to a certain degree it's all grown man the vision the I've kind of transition it's interesting because like when I first started comedy I was kind of this same style but I couldn't get work because I was just too I was too much of a maniac I didn't know how to write a joke yet exactly so I go on stage I'm like I'm an artist don't tell me what to do yeah I can say everything I want I swear to go and so then five years later I'm like well I'm still just at open mics well let's go back so tell me about the Catholicism that was dumped into your head because I think Catholics get a little mad at me because sometimes I'm dismissive or even seemingly anti-Catholic but it is a pretty big mind fuck oh yeah and it is it gave me a great blueprint for what I really am into now in life which is like that you know that mysticism of the universe and all that kind of stuff so that's funny so you transcended the sort of mundane yet ornate mysticism of the Catholic Church but the template was there so you just started filling it in randomly with your own information I don't need Jesus I got crystals that's no good no no why not I guess but so what were you terrified of your grandmother or how is a tiny little lady yeah tiny little lady and she was a living saint you know according to everybody so but you know you want to miss yoke or whatever so yeah she was very Catholic like she told me I mean she had pretty much convinced me that I was I mean I guess I didn't need much of a push but even as a little kid I think I was kind of a megalomaniac or a little egomaniac yeah you know convinced me I was very special yeah you know that's what grandma's job yeah exactly grandma's job was I think this one a little above and beyond to the point where she's like you know the Virgin Mary will come to you in a vision probably because you're very special oh really and then she gave me guidelines about like when I know if it's the Virgin Mary or if it's Lucifer pretending to be the Virgin Mary which happens really yeah if the Virgin Mary appears to you yeah and is not barefoot that's when you know it's the devil closing as the Virgin Mary to trick you into some make note of that so she told me that I remember I had one of the most distinct images I remember is I have in my life as a little kid we'd always go to church constantly with them and we're out there and they'd have like little cafeteria luncheons afterwards and one time we were just hanging out at the farmhouse and she showed and she's like you want to see a miracle and I was like oh I'm like six seven years old like hell yeah I want to see a vehicle and she shows me this picture of the lunch line of the church cafeteria and there's a space in between two people in line yeah and in the middle is a floating Virgin Mary I'm sure yeah like before show Photoshop this is way before this is what 1983 yeah and she's like that's the Virgin Mary she was captured in this photo and I was like this will be the thing even as a little kid I was like this will be the thing that forever cements my faith in God that picture that picture I bought it I bought it I bought it I bought it I bought it I bought it I can't remember exactly I was somewhere between like six and nine years old Wow and so then for the rest of my life that was the one thing that I'll no matter how far away I got from the church which was very very far I always had that one thing like stuck in my brain that I've seen the Virgin Mary you can't hear you I can't yeah and so then before she died this was I don't know maybe like six or seven years ago I was hanging out there and I was like at the farm still out there she stayed there till the end uh-huh and my grandpa did too open to this past year he passed away he was 89 or no he was 89 when he asked away and she was I think 87 Wow but uh so what happened was I she would always ask me like are you going to church blah blah blah you know I'd always lie and say yes and I was like you know what the one thing that's always held me on you know I've always had in my mind I was like that picture you showed me of the Virgin Mary when I was little kid and she just looks at me and she goes what and I go remember you had a picture from the church where the Virgin Mary was floating and she goes oh um no I don't I don't remember that and then like instantly I just remembered like feeling like oh it's all it's all gone now because you don't forget a miracle right like right I mean that's the way I that's the way I was like right you can't forget a miracle happening and then someone told me well your grandma was as religious as you know you say she was she probably experienced miracles all the time so this was no big deal or I was like no you remember showing your grandchild a photo of the Virgin Mary 87 still I mean that was enough it was enough for me to finally release all of that really that moment that moment it was gone what other shit did she tell you what about like I was younger she told me like I would show up at school like when I was a kid how often were you going to church when you were kid did you Sunday every Sunday with the family and then every Friday at school so every Friday we have really in well I was I had well when I was a real little kid up until about 11 I wanted to be a priest I had the whole mass memorized like I was that's why you were special that's why I was like the next chosen leader of God like that's all your grandmother didn't still that she didn't still to me that was essentially it was it was Moses Jesus Ryan saying everyone's been waiting for that I mean I really thought I was gonna be at the you know the front lines of the war because she told me the war between the devil and God you know the second coming of Jesus that would open up that would be the big battle for everyone's souls and she told me that it would happen in her lifetime and you know she's been dead down for about six or seven years it's probably happening yeah you're just out of the loop yeah you might be on the wrong side yeah or maybe this is hell or heaven or per period or whatever not not that's happening no if it's happening it's happening it's happening it's happening it's not yeah heaven or hell this is earth and it's you know it's a troubled place yeah but there's no indication that that war is not going on it's just really how you frame it isn't apparently you've given up your leadership potential yeah and now we're just a lost planet because Ryan singer you know decided to hang his hope on bullshit just waiting for that moment where they come and they come and get me out of the you know the doldrums where I'm saying we need you now you know how open are you hey man I am you know my 2016 schedule is pretty open right now so be ready for the message for the almighty hey Ryan your grandmother just reminded me up here that yeah yeah well you know I went by the peacemakers look at like I gave myself that nickname you were the peacemakers I was the peacemaker yeah I would go around recess in school breaking up fights I'd be like stop fighting the peacemakers here you got to stop fighting and really oh yeah so she really filled you up she really filled me up I mean I got in trouble in mass in school because I'd be performing doing all the things and the nuns would be like what are you doing I'm like you they thought I was mocking the ceremony right and I was like no I'm practicing you know I'm like I already like even as a kid I was like I'm I'm better than this guy is yeah I guess I was boring stuff like yeah get me get the peacemaker up there let's get some charisma happening in this ass you know I mean I can like rip a little bit yeah do some riff and the homilies you know I was like I'll go off book on the homilies that's when you like they tell their stupid jokes you know some of some priests actually had a little bit of sense of humor and those ones were like they were living gods like if you ever went like people would say oh this priest you got to come to this mass because this priest is hilarious yeah and so I do okay I check it out and and it was a guy who told us street joke yeah that was the guy who is in his own shit not even using his own shit but but that's interesting so you were you you believed in hell oh yeah I don't have a memory of learning how that's how strong it is still a little bit probably if I was to be honest like I don't remember learning but it's always been there that's like a real that really framed my life you know the idea of burning oh god was it tangible I mean that the peacemaker was a you know before you you realize that the devil was pulling at you but yeah I guess you knew they was pulling at you every day right well sure yeah as the peacemaker when you saw a couple of kids fighting in the playground you're like Lucifer yeah I'm gonna go get him out of there yeah yeah the devil is fucking with my friends better go beat the shit out of the devil over there yeah the I always and then I learned how to masturbate that's when I realized that was a big moment realize when I was like well because you you're taught that you're talking to sure you start going to go get out there now back and helping you just help it and so then you know slowly but surely I shed the the peacemaker after that and I know the masturbator and I was the best of it I am the lizard king yeah that's about around the same time I realized yeah how we're gonna live in I was probably 11 I think we start jerking off yeah I think that's when I first did to I think it's about the year that's my transition from just laying on my belly on a mattress yeah and wait for something to happen yeah to like actually taking the devil yeah let him a devil enter yeah it's like a devil said you know you make this you're more fun and if you turn over and you actually get active with this not rely so much on like weirdly rubbing the fucking mattress never I never was that guy there I know like went full-war into it no that fucked pillows or fuck the mattress is sort of like I had a weirder way I've talked about it before I it was sort of like my and it was I've never heard anyone say it like literally the first few times that I fucking jerked off it was like filling a bath up in that water shooting out the spigot to stick my dick in there I don't know how it happened like you know like you know in touch of your feminine side you were I guess I was a little girl yeah because you hear about like shower heads all the time yeah women and yeah yeah even at a young age you were in touch with your feminine side I guess oh I guess yeah and I kind of jerked off weird for a good part of my life it was weird it was almost it was girly a little bit yeah well there I mean mine was reloaded like I mean with with guilt and shame the first time you grabbed hold of your dick you're like here we this is it like I remember I'll never forget the day because then I could hear friends in the back one of my best friends live right behind me yeah and my other best friend live right next door to him I'm all the same age and the one kid had a trampoline so there's always kids there just jump around having a good time yeah and I was it was after school I jerk off the first time and then I can hear them all out laughing and having a good time I'm like oh they're laughing at me because I just jerked off because this was also like part of this was an age in 1987 or whatever where it's like if you jerked off you were gay really and like fucking world you grow up well I grew up in that Catholic Jewish kids right you know I'm jerking off really I love you jerk off twice a day really that's good well I wasn't until I was in high school that that really became a topic for dudes oh so you mean when you're 11 or 12 you're yeah when I was 11 like it was you know you're probably head of the pan being gay was like a real big problem because you were gonna burn in hell for that yeah you're also gonna burn in hell for just jerking off yeah so like you're jerking off I mean you're touching a dick so you want to touch a dick so you must be gay really that was a fun you're I mean I guess that makes sense you don't know much right right so so then I go outside afterwards to go play full of shame full of shame I just they all know they just know I just be a jerk off peacemaker is dark yeah and so then you know sometimes I would just I would just kind of like go home from school and just jerk off really and then just like lay in shame yeah just lay in shame now did your grandmother did you feel guilty around your grandmother after that did once you started not to think about it when I was around my grandma I mean like I mean I felt guilty because I also started smoking cigarettes at the same time and I had a hard break from this like God thing I went like I went like I went all in after I first smoke and then smoked that's when I smoked for the now did you your grandmother characterized the the battle that you were supposed to lead did you know really I mean my grandma mostly had stuff about like you're very special you know Jesus is gonna come back in my lifetime so you'll be able to witness that and she would fill me with other stories like she went to Medigoria which is like a retreat place for like you know Catholics where miracles always happen and she would always just tell me about oh some some priest found a diary in an ancient ruin and it has all these predictions and you know there's gonna be Virgin Mary's gonna appear over New York City on Christmas Eve and so I go to school I tell my friends the Virgin Mary's gonna appear over New York City on Christmas Eve and there's gonna be a great punishment and all this other kind of stuff and then none of it would ever happen yeah and so everybody be like a piece of what's your mother doing where she at she's just kind of you know she's just Catholic I mean I don't know really anymore but at the time she was so your parents are married at this time when you're laughing and jerking off and smoking cigarettes what's your old man your old man's pretty Catholic yeah also raised in a Catholic family yeah it's a judge now but at the time he was a lawyer uh-huh and or he was in law school when I was very young oh really yeah and so I just learned the other day we were on food stamps my mom would probably would get pissed off if I told people because she's kind of she likes status yeah I think but I just learned the other day not a lawyer then huh well no not yeah no you mean when he was in law school when he was in law school and so then you know then he went into title the title business how the title business got pretty successful then it crashed in like the early 90s in that recession how it is and then it's like when you buy a house sign a title on Russia and then and then kind of build it back up after almost going bankrupt and then got a job as a judge got a job as a judge well I mean he ran for off he had to be elected as a county judge and he actually his first time he ever ran for election I was I just dropped out of college and I was moving to Los Angeles did you stand up and I was very young and I mean I was so you came out here before I've been on here a bunch of times like failure I've really embraced failure oh he came out and he fought the beast I fought the beast and went back yeah I went back I you know my first middle breakdown well I've never had a second one but anyway I moved with a guy who's I moved with a guy who my dad was running against it was his father oh really yeah so we had a bet at the time whoever's dad won the election the other person had to let's let's let's let's backtrack so you're jerking off your smoking cigarettes you're leaven your mom's Catholic you're dealing with your dad you know where when did they break up when I was about 16 and he was already a judge no not yeah he wasn't judged about seven years ago and what kind of judges he conservative judge he is conservative but he's a Republican but I think he would probably declare himself more of a he probably leans libertarian so it's not social conservative he's a fiscal conservative and but very socially progressive right that's I mean yeah like you know he's okay with you jerking off and being gay yeah I mean he recently just yeah for sure yeah for sure he recently started a woman's court in Montgomery County Ohio which I think there's only one other court like it in the country and he's you know really into like fighting human trafficking my dad is probably the best dude I know that's good yeah and you get along oh yeah we'll go on great he's okay with your life decisions yeah he is I think he's filled with worry yeah but that's usually what it is yeah you're concerned but always been very supportive oh that's good yeah and your mom yeah always supportive as well get along with her all right you know she's uh we kind of have like a reverse relationship though and was that like I'm almost the parent I have to tell her like you need to call me back she'll be like oh I'm sorry I know and she's out there on the horse farm no she's out she lives with my stepdad and just the suburbs how's that okay he's great okay he's an architect guy he's a real uh this is how this is how he introduces himself everybody he says Jim Tinney Dayton Ohio like everybody it doesn't matter who you are that's how he introduces him so the guy who's been working since he was 14 years old he's like 71 now and I think he's being like forced into retirement by my mom because I mean what's the guy he's a guy you know he's a guy you know he's better she better be careful what she hopes for yeah right you get the guy that can't stop working and you make him stop working I don't know I don't know how they're gonna be around each other all day because both of them need hearing aids but they won't admit it so it's just like constant arguments over things that the other person they think is ignoring them right and they just don't hear each other I think I'm getting to that point I'm yelling at my girlfriend like can you just talk like in a normal tone so I don't be like what what have you had your hearing tested recently what exactly I have not had a tested you should I mean I don't know why it's a vanity thing I guess why people don't want hearing aids yeah I know I don't think I need a hearing aid see what you made it through high school made through high school you smoke a lot of cigarettes smoking lots of cigarettes and June tobacco I mean almost other Ohio boys tell me about that fucking double thing that horrible thing you told me about dipping where you do a full face what is that thing all the mouthpiece oh my god yeah the mouthpiece I think I only try the mouthpiece once when you feel your upper lip and your lower lip with just dip and it's the worst you can't breathe or you can't do anything your mouth just dipping is so specific it's like it's not I didn't grow up with it I can't keep that shit together in my mouth I would have but like you just you get the long cut that's why I know but you could dip regular Copenhagen couldn't you sure I for a while I did do regular Copenhagen but it's like where'd you learn that shit is that just if my buddy Eric Nagel taught me well the only reason I did because I was never that drawn to it other than the fact that I loved baseball and a ton of baseball players dipped right and so I don't know the first time I ever tried it dude I mean I must have been 15 yeah I almost fell down the steps I was buzzing so hard yeah and I was like yeah I'm doing this I'm doing this yeah I mean because that's how I was with cigarettes do you like I also heard the cigarettes load your voice that's why I started smoking because I was like the last one of all my friends to have puberty so I kind of had a high-pitched voice I was like oh I don't know where I even heard that shit and now and then that and that leads to like me and you being stuck in a lifelong struggle with fucking nicotine yeah I mean I've been about three months clean now but you're on and off you're throwing the book and you've given me that book three times yeah I've read that book 17 times it works every time I read it I mean someone's like I think you might be addicted to reading the book and I was like well maybe I should just smoke again so I can get another hit that book kids the way that added mine justifies doing it I do think about I mean although when I see smokers now I kind of pity them you know when it's cold outside and when it's summer time I'm like oh they're living it they're living the dream I stay on these was and just like I don't really think about smoking the actual cigarettes because it just means just like fucking death sticks like just burning my lungs out but you did you know when you go out you fucking go out when I go out I'm like this last time over this past summer when I went out dude I was I you know because it'd been almost five years since I'd done it so I wasn't in the e-sig game yeah and all that kind of stuff these were all new so I was e-sig and dipping smoking I never did so what your brand I do camel lights or my role lights although I was a kid I love new parts or like Salem lights yeah I was a Marlboro red I never went Marlboro red those were a little too I did the mediums for a while yeah they weren't around when I was yeah I mean I was I remember when Marlboro lights came out yeah like lights cigarettes right there was only there was regular cigarettes and merits or true you know those were the ones those were awful you remember when they came out and now they can't even call them lights anymore now there's 90 different types of Marlboro's they just trying to figure out you had to keep people smoking those things I eventually switched to Marlboro lights and camel lights good I thought camel lights were more like Marlboro's I tried Winston's I tried camel straits I tried lucky strikes I've tried pomols old golds because Tom wait talk about old golds there's a period there in high school I smoke every fucking cigarette new ports because somebody meant I think he Richards mentioned new ports once Marlboro menthols which were hard to find which made those cool because the box was like the red box but it was green yeah you can find them that they weren't around much I tried Balkan Sabreini fancy cigarettes and that Sherman fancy cigarettes I fucking love cigarettes I even tried those skinny ones as a non-homeless limb gym ones or whatever those ladies cigarette I even tried those Virginia swims Virginia that's the one they're always do to smoke those you're like weird old southern guys with those things I want them I never did the holder though the cigarette holder I tried it but it was stupid there was some no filter cigarettes were like you know I'm glad I couldn't handle it physically but they were the best first thing right I ever smoke was a camel non-filter camel not feel good but lucky's were great lucky's taste great there's a sweetness to him they smell good your eyes are all right yeah palm all is not bad the palm all no filter pretty good pretty good cigarette I think the appeal to the non-filter to me was like oh this is like drugs yeah it's hardcore yeah it's hard to maintain because you can't smoke as many as you want because they literally hurt you yeah and they burn your fucking fingertips yeah I've had brown fingers dude you have brown fingers yeah well I've never had brown fingers as much as I've had just like totally white gums which is the scariest moment I just remembered the brown fingers and how much did I have to fucking spend a ton like I had fucking brown fingers I never got brown fingers I just like yellowish but I never went brown never let me get there you're nicotine stain on your fucking fingers yeah the worst yeah I remember having that and just being like I guess I'm I would smoke back in half a day the high point oh man oh man I'm hoping I'm not dying I smoke a lot of cigarettes dude we're all dying I know I always fantasizing about Lucy the other day like just one of those Lucy's what are they oh just a loose cigarette oh yeah yeah you just put wherever you can put it like I was like oh man those ones for a nickel oh yeah yeah I got it so I don't know what I'll focus a guard once I gotta be careful I can never get into them I can't help I can't help but inhale so you make it through high school I make it through I'm skipping and smoking did you do well in high school I did okay I was like a C and then you go and I didn't do anything I didn't try driving around smoking and drinking what drugs drugs drugs I was I smoked a lot of weed in high school friend of mine his dad we figured out he figured out his dad grew it on their farm oh and he is are full of it I've but and so I smoked weed almost every day from like middle of my sophomore year through the end of my high school career I miss it for free miss it god damn it we just have bonfires and just stare at you know UFOs and shit yeah the first time I ever smoked weed was out of a corn cob pipe that I made with a pocket knife and a hollow stick and it was a magical moment in my life and then unfortunately the dudes mom figured out that we were smoking her husband his dad's weed and I remember one night we're at this bonfire right just smoking weed having a good time being listened to Hank Jr. yeah I'm the best time of our life well Hank Jr. yeah okay and then so Nelson his dad shows up with a wheelbarrow just filled with bricks of marijuana and then next you know you see and he's got a look on his face that's like he's gonna kill somebody yeah and then his mom shows up and she goes do it and then he has to dump all of the weed onto the bonfire and I was probably the first time I saw a grown man cry and then I was like I'm never gonna see my buddy again what was the point of that she found out that we were smoking it and so she made him burn it all as what an example or I guess so we fucked up weird and so then it was about a month later or maybe a month or two later when he's like it's flies been replenished you know so he was growing you know you're buddy yeah yeah so then we were back in the game I don't even understand the mental logic of that yeah she was also our like kindergarten teacher when we were kids oh so was it like she was punishing him as an example to you that weed is bad like she just caught him or something yeah so you did to these kids now go show them yeah holy these kids believe in magic now you really fucked up how do you feel Satan yeah so but it was weird because uh you know I don't know I was about 21 22 like we just broke in my brain and just didn't it wasn't then I started having panic and anxiety attacks when I get high and it just not being fun so it's like well the only reason I did is because it was so much fun did you move on to other narcotics not until I was older yeah when I got when I was like I don't know maybe 27 I got into cocaine for a little while that's later so what happened so did you go to college went to college went to college went to a bowling green state university for about four years studied theater dropped out I was like you know no one's asking to Nero for his diploma did you do plays and stuff I did like one one short what are they called one act plays yeah the only reason I studied theaters because I knew I wanted to stand up and I was like I need to get comfortable on stage when did you know that probably when I was in high school why because yeah my family all the adults all my kids and uncles they would they'd be laughing their ass off watching Carson yeah and I'm like oh that's I want to make adults laugh yeah that's that's where the juice is right fuck my friends right but if you can make an adult laugh you're doing something right and I was like so then I realized what Stan O'Convey was right and who were your guys my guys are very early on where you know Cosby and mostly Richard Pryor I loved him in carland but some of the first the first album I've heard was himself which I no longer own but the you know that's so it's just so so that whole thing is so loaded now yeah but but then the first album I ever tried to listen to was is it something I said by prior right my dad had the vinyl in his trunk and I was with him and my uncle and they were shopping they'll pop the trunk and I grabbed that album someone to listen to I was just a kid yeah because it just looked cool yeah I was like no you can't listen hell yeah he's like you can't listen to this but you you can listen to this one and he gave me himself instead and the first album that's so funny you can listen to the the family friendly black man exactly yeah so then the first comedy album CD I ever bought was that is it something I said and now when my dad and I are in London if we're on a road trip we'll listen to it oh yeah oh yeah isn't fun to listen to a comedy record with somebody and especially one that you know we're both kind of looking at each other oh yeah and you hope it still works oh yeah just don't gonna work that joke for us yeah that album sure does oh yeah it's great all right so so you drop out of your theater program man what you go back to Dayton and you pack your car what happens yeah go to Dayton you don't say you stand up you save up some money I think I'd been on I think I did open mic maybe a handful of times where before it's time to club and date called jokers which is close now in a funny bone moved in but I did maybe three or four open mics I was like I'm ready for the tonight show and you were doing your crazy shit I was just yeah I was all over the place I was doing like one of my big bits at the time was I was skull fucking the devil that was like you know it's like so you'd seen some Hicks so yeah I was yeah I was a bit kennison guy you know you know because of all the religious stuff I could really relate to you got some great religious stuff yeah and so I moved out LA you did that thing got a job at the ice house work in the box office you moved LA in what year gosh I think it was like 99 wow must have been 99 okay and I was like I'm gonna be a stand up now I was maybe 22 years old 23 years old at the most and where you living I was living in Burbank with my buddy and a guy whose father ran for judge yeah his dad beat my dad oh really the first time so your dad eventually got elected he eventually got appointed because someone retired I was a governor appointed him so you're with that dude you're both judges kids yeah we'll judge you yeah and so we uh his what do you want to do out here he was he moved out to be an actor and he graduated from Bowling Green and how do you do is he still out here yeah he's still out here is he working no I don't think he's doing acting anymore okay but he but he stayed out here so I'm about there and then I'm also working at some Scientology title company in Glendale you're okay so you're working the door at the ice house I'm working the box office okay so you got in with what I got in and so then but I was losing I didn't work there very long because I was losing money working there because I'd always try to sneak away from the box office go try to peek in because like oh our senior hall showed up to do a drop in here yeah yeah yeah and so I would sneak away I'd come back and then so many different tickets that I would always always fuck it up right so I'd go to the ATM that's still in the bar there and I'd have to have like 30 bucks every night because you just took that because I didn't want to get fired right I fuck it so I was like losing money working there yeah and it wasn't very long because it wasn't shortly after that I just kind of I kind of split from I just freaked out and I melt down and moved back what does that mean dude I was just driving around my car screaming wait so you're doing you're watching comedy losing money you're working for the Scientology is that they ever come after you know how do you know it was Scientology front because a dude a friend of mine a guy I made buddies with who was working there he was like behind me in a cubicle yeah he told me that everybody here's a Scientology man and I was like oh yeah and he's like oh yeah he's like oh yeah I need to give it to you it's in my trunk but don't say anything about it I was like okay whatever and then like an hour later this woman who was like the boss she shows up and I overheard this conversation I can't remember his name I think it was Corey she's a Corey we know you have that book because he had gotten in but then gotten out somehow right Scientologists yeah and he started to go into it and then pulled himself out and he's like I don't know what you're talking about they're like she's like we know you have that book give it to us or we will come take it from you and he's like I have no idea what you're talking about right and then it was the weirdest thing and then we get an elevator to go lunch and she hit the up button instead of the down and everybody on the elevator freaked out because she made a mistake like a mechanical mistake which she was like advanced enough in Scientology where she wasn't supposed to make those kind of mistakes anymore and everybody just fucking like was freaking out and I'm like I can't be working this is crazy but how are they freaking out like oh my god you know and she's like I don't know how I don't I don't I never I don't and they're like what did you hit the button man I do that shit every day yeah but uh that was your side and so I was kind of like driving around like screaming at myself like what you know I kind of had like a mental I don't it was weird man I don't know I was just like super like I was just lost but what was your head doing my head was like filled with anger and it was filled with just confusion I didn't know what I was doing and I was also having like this religious relapse is where it was kind of coming from like what is the purpose of my life like existential crisis I guess is what you call it so you were mad at yourself that you weren't doing comedy or you probably that was a big part of it because I wasn't doing stand up and like you know being out here without a purpose is horrifying yeah because you know that everything you want to do is in some office somewhere sure or on a stage and you just get isolated in this weird way and your brain goes away that happened to me man but I was on a lot of coke yeah I wasn't I wasn't in that yeah I was like I know I was still drinking you know I was just drinking every once in a while about you know I never they're women involved no I mean I was living on a mattress in the corner of the apartment at this point that's a worst like a tapestry just blocking me off and one of our roommates and her and a boyfriend were always up super late at night smoking weed yeah watching TV which was like four feet away from my bed I never I never slept because I was working two jobs sleep deprivation is bad yeah I was sleep deprived and I was at classic sort of like LA hopelessness where you've sacrificed all the comforts of life to sort of pursue this vague dream and you're sleeping on a fucking floor yeah it was the worst and then I just had I just started slowly cracking a little bit right and then I started having a while I'm doing the most selfish profession in the world stay in a comedy it's solitary you want to stay in my time no but I'm saying like in my mind right dream right right right and I'm like oh I'm gonna burn in hell that's like the most selfish thing you can be like and so then I go back to I go back to Ohio and I just don't leave like the house for like weeks I just I'm like totally just locked into this religious like beating the shit out of yourself yeah and I'm like oh my god I'm gonna burn in hell I need to get my life back did you seek your grandmother for council no I didn't I just I didn't seek any go to church I started going to church oh boy I started but I couldn't get away from stand up so I got a job waiting tables at a club which one joke is jokers and I could even though I was like I'm not doing this you know subconsciously my brain was like you're not getting away from this so you like it's like almost that weird self-flagellation thing like you felt like you deserve to be punished sure and that's like a Catholic thing yeah and so I go back to school and I'm studying social work so you can do the right thing yeah right I'm doing the right thing and then after about like a semester a couple quarters of social work I'm like oh man I'm gonna make $30,000 a year and I'm not even gonna like this job right no yeah and so then I transitioned to creative writing and I've graduated like two years after that but the and then creative writing degree liberal arts degree and then started doing stand up again after that but like how long did it take for the shit to simmer down oh like the religious thing and all that kind of stuff well what happened like it came to a head at some point where I remember one time I'm laying in bed and like a car drove down the street I was living in my dad's house in like a guest room and the headlights went through the leaves and like they cascaded across the wall yeah and I I thought that they were like the demons you know when the movie goes to when the demons come up and take the bad guy and suck him down through the street or whatever yeah but I was like oh and then I felt my body getting sucked down through the mattress maybe it was sleep paralysis I'm not exactly sure but and I'm like and then I come out of that I'm like what the fuck is going down like religion's supposed to be like a puppy it's about like a dog or something supposed to make it like better not trap you and be a prisoner to it so then I drove to the highest point in town so hack right and I appreciate it and I challenge God out loud out loud I'm throwing rocks at the sky even what do you saying I'm saying if you exist show me a sign you exist show me I don't believe you exist this is your bullshit show me a sign and then I had this moment where I'm like oh man this is like so this is so hacky like what I'm doing I'm like everybody challenges God and then I had this moment where I'm like biblical you're not in you get your shirt hung up with mountains yeah and so then but in my mind at the time it's a stand-up comedy part of my brain yeah that was like you know it's not hacky selling your soul to the devil oh it's not a hacky anyway like nobody does that so then I'm not anymore it's not as popular yeah so I made a deal with the devil I'm out I said if you are real you will show yourself to me you can have me the devil you give me everything I want right and because here was my brain my logic was like you know what if the devil exists that means by default God exists so you know a equals b equals c right trick the devil into proving to me that God is real right and even though the devil knows I'm doing that the devil is cocky enough to think well it doesn't matter and you were strong enough in your will of course right and I do get everything I want to this day but it just takes a long time did I got a word I'm self no oh so no one showed up yeah I mean up until six months ago I was driving a 99 camera I don't think the devil's real I still got three roommates maybe very real yeah maybe you missed one you gave you every day there was a day there and maybe it's conditional so after that happened man after I sold my soul the devil I've life's been good and I got back on the it doesn't sound like you owe much no yeah maybe he hasn't delivered yet yeah maybe times maybe it's tough economy for the devil maybe it's not gonna back up on the mountain and say like I thought we had a deal maybe that's why I go up there every day what happened to the deal man oh god I said I'll simmer down and then eventually you know I start doing stand up all the time and it was like one of those things to where I was like you know what I quit doing this once yeah now I'm never now now it's like I'm not quitting until I'm dead right it was like one of those like I make ultimatum too many too much yeah myself but that's when you stuck with that's when I definitely stuck with yeah because all right so well that's I guess that's a that's a devil working through you you've made a commitment you've given you everything that was no way out no way out no way isn't dude there really isn't and I know that personally that's like when it all goes away but I think that there's probably an opportunity for you being a a lapsed believer in in for reals that you know if it ever all goes away you'll just go like all right Jesus okay here we go Jesus I get it I got tigers I in my pocket it's supposed to give me money I guess I'll pray to Jesus and say yeah finally I can run to Jesus but but you know what so what were your models like when you were working so you started because you're a big road dog now and you do a lot of those rooms in your headline and now and what you just your third record they just put out yeah what's that one called again mortal for now immortal for now immortal for now and you you did the back the picture on the back in Joshua tree Joshua tree with no Joshua tree with no Joshua trees was I the first guy to say that to you like I went to Joshua it was so funny because it was like two days after I showed you the photo yeah I was like how long you been thinking about this is the bother you I was like you what's a Joshua tree for the moment for the spiritual juice not one Joshua tree in the fucking picture yeah I just worked out that way I think that was the best photo we just randomly took because it wasn't like a photo shoot it was just like it was just me my buddy broke some you're just kind of walking around okay I get it yeah so what we're all just supposed to know it was Joshua tree no I mean it doesn't really matter okay it doesn't really matter okay it matters to you well I mean it's cool to me to know that it was taken to Joshua tree just because you know Joshua tree is kind of loaded with all that mythology from the past so now as I know you you've gone through different manifestations of you've done you've done the three CDs you've done your your crazy web series you know you've been in and out of relationships with kooky girls you don't seem to be the drug thing to be behind you what the hell was that period how long did that go on forward with the code that probably went around for about three years I mean I don't think I ever hit a true rock bottom with the drugs yeah the I'll never forget it like one of my first feature weekends ever which was a big week for me was Geraldo was headlining and I got the week to be a feature act at go bananas and since then and I was so excited about it we were in the green room just talking about like things great guy and I was like oh yeah I used to you know do a bunch of coke and me my buddies would just do coke and play speed chest yeah you know because you get 30 seconds to make a move yeah I'll never forget drawers just sit in the green looks and he goes yeah sounds like a real rock bottom I was like yeah I'm a little beyond my scope here and so I so I never really I think two weeks did you do some boy with your other no you didn't know he was a he's in a clean period as far as I can tell I mean what a great week though he was great he was great who else did you feature for that put your mind that made you go like I'm gonna I got work to do oh man there was there's been a lot of people that really made me like feel like I got a lot of work to do draw though was one of them for sure because I look I went back and listen to those tapes yeah and I was just like oh my god how did he put up with me opening for him if I was him I would have been I get this fucking kid like his my opening joke at the time was hey you don't know who I am and thank God you don't because if I was famous I'd be a goddamn monster like it's like okay this is how the next thirty minutes gonna go to fire you know the fire like you so Ron shock was a guy while younger I remember he would come through wily says come to cleven Dayton about twice a year and oh man he was so goddamn good and I remember one time he just murdered he comes off stage and I'd hung out I would just I was a wallflower there you know I was just there all the time and he just looks at me comes off stage after just murdering for like an hour for him as he goes Ryan that's how you do stand up comedy and then walks off and I was like you know what Ron I'm gonna hang out tonight I'm gonna go home and write yeah it was like one o'clock on a Saturday now yeah such a slow groove too yeah and there was a guy named John John Caponeero I know you know John he John Caponeira in a great time yeah first time I saw him I was like oh you can layer you can level your jokes you can have multiple levels to these jokes I joke doesn't have to just stop and he had a lot of juice to a lot of energy yeah he was great because I remember like all those guys would come through wily's like Ken Roderson would come through any rise fast so funny his jokes are so good yeah and then you know go bananas I saw you know stand hope yeah who just blew me away and then you know all this like you know not all of the nice all head bird because he would come through jokers she would bring him through here well that's a great bridge like you know when you sort of abide by the sort of system and the you know the live it like like I you know I spent my life sitting around comedy clubs even when you're not on you just sitting there chomping at the bit you know like when I worked at the store with them back in Boston to catch rising star he just go every night and just watch this shit it's interesting the guys you chose because those are all fucking solid for a lot of different reasons you know there's some real vision to all of them and I guess so you know over the years you realize that you could do exactly what you want to do just got to make it work sure you have to abide by the audience because none of those guys really do Campanera's a mainstream act but you know he was his own thing I haven't seen him in a long time yeah I mean I haven't either but I think I reached a level at some point where I learned you know what you got to learn some jokes you learn how to write a joke yeah I know it took me a long time when I knew that they were there I always knew I had to do jokes but like how do you do them for the ones that you you make your own exactly how's that fucking happen the first time I ever got a week the first week I ever got was each ring was just a Thursday and a Sunday featuring and I was like you know what I knew it I knew I was gonna skip the MC spot yeah this kid's got it yeah it was after five years of knocking a fucking bone thrown his way right yeah and I'm like I got it and Bob Kagg Altway was headlining Wylie's County Club yeah and but they didn't even have me MC Friday and Saturday they didn't even trust me then see right so they threw me up on Thursday and Sunday to feature I was like oh okay my career here we go yeah tonight show here we come and then I didn't get another MC week from that club or at work from that club again for years and then I think slowly but surely I started working the other club in town what happened well why did you feature spot I didn't know where I think the manager of the club really liked me yeah and thought I had potential convinced the owner of the club to give it to me so then it was I started challenged myself to try to write some clean jokes yeah so I could MC and then eventually started getting worked that way you're very compelled now I mean like you know I talked to you know you're a different levels of enlightenment you're at different stages of not doing things or doing things you've got yourself into minor trouble here and there I'm very I got fly by the seat of my pants a little too much but but you do have a system what's the system these days the system is you know I try to I try to lock in do work every day try to hit the mountain you gotta hit them out what does that mean that for those of us go hiking just get outside yeah just get outside and go get away from everything yeah and just dump all that bullshit out you meditate I try to meditate on the mountain now yeah what do you sit down I just sit down and I just kind of stare at tree do you have crystals on you now I do have crystals on me now can I see yeah I have I have just tigers eye and I just got some Chris Garcia your friend in mind yes just the other night gave me a bunch of crystals gifts uh-huh we were doing a three-year anniversary show of the show we do underbell this is Tiger's Eye yeah that's supposed to like help you get money or something and this is oh shit how did I forget what this one was already was that all that's Apache is that Apache tears yes can be it looks like it yeah yeah and that's mostly like I think bring balance between extremes I was like oh that'd be a good one to have because I'm you know sometimes I feel like you and I have that kind of relationship yeah I'm a little too overly optimistic sometimes and you can be a little bit more skeptical so we kind of have a balance yeah there's a balance but I think that like I've grown to learn about you is that you're you're kind of painfully optimistic just because at any given point to be sucked into a dark hole of fucking nothing this over breakfast if you're not careful yeah sure and I mean I also have the circle of Solomon around my neck yeah which is supposed to protect you from the gym from the gym the gym which is the DJ INN which are like the shape shifting shadow people tricksters of the night uh-huh there's this book I was reading on and I got while I was reading the book I was getting even comics admittedly scarce I mean all of our peers is protecting the business yeah that's the one that'll keep you out of work good job on misinterpreting the gin yeah yeah that's that's what you're in the that's the business and there is I get the fact you like part of me really loves when there's like stigma attached to something that might be because you never know there's a lot of loaded things I get into like as far as one like the paranormal that kind of mystical stuff and I do get a lot of it's fanciful and I remember one time I was hiking and I was just at the top of this hill in town I'm looking at like there was a couple helicopters flying around planes were ascending and some were landing and I remember thinking to myself oh man you know a hundred thousand years ago there might have been a human being ancestor just sitting here wondering what all this could turn into someday yeah and I remember even I remember saying out loud just to myself like okay there's a limit to how much whimsy you can have yeah some point without just floating off the globe you know so I got I do try to find it is important for me to get grounded with in reality at times do you do that I think I can't avoid it no you can't avoid I mean because life like your nuts but I think what I see what you and I think because I've gone through my own crystal periods and conspiracy periods is that you know you make choices to you know you have you have some control if you're not out of your mind and you don't let yourself get out of your mind over the you know the context of your perception do you know I mean it's like you can it's like you know are there your foes I'm gonna choose to say no because I don't have time yeah I can you fit what can you fit in your mind right there might be you know it's fine but like what someone else do that research and I'll be pleasantly surprised sure or terrified when they show up but I'm not gonna spend my life I would be terrified okay fine I know you put on to it you said that with some earnestness and yeah no but like but I think that one thing you know from talking to you that we know is that you know you were wired with the ability to believe I got that blueprint man right yeah that mystical crazy blueprint and it's like it's so it's easy for me to latch onto this other world right but don't lose your mind oh no no I believe it's it's more fun to believe I will share with you the quote from Tom Mcguane that I share occasionally the mind is not a boomerang if you throw it too far it will not come back yeah I do worry about that well you should you fuck yeah I think I got a I got a decent grasp on the idea that you know you can only go so far with certain things I do like pushing to edges what's this podcast you do it's called me in paranormal you and how I put it up I put it up twice a week really yeah I do on Tuesdays I do like a half hour I call it a third year bonus where it's just me doing research on a subject comes up a bunch for example I just put one up on the do easy method I've ever heard the William S.
Burroughs wrote an essay on it it's allegedly it's tied into magic he was like a pre practitioner of chaos magic yeah and I should know them a big bill burrows guy but you're teaching me something I probably have the fucking essay yeah Gus Van Sant made a short film about based on it when he was just out of film school I gotta look check that out yeah it's it's pretty fast so that's Tuesday yeah so that was like something Tuesday and then on Fridays I do the full-length interviews with people who have like paranormal abilities or experiences like I talked to a woman who was a medium you know that's what her profession is I was passed passed like hypnotized on one there was one I recorded myself with Shane Moss we did a three-parter where we did DMT together yeah oh really that was that that was crazy so when you go up to the farm and you hang out with the cows occasionally is that ground you yeah it is pretty cool man like there's something very peaceful about just gonna be in back in nature and not being surrounded by like you know Twitter and Facebook and all that shit all right well don't get lost dude you know I think I'm you know I think I'm on the right path yeah my car is got the right oh yeah I say it's the shit out of that car too we didn't need it it was a practical car oh yeah it's practical but I mean there's a lot of energy and there's a lot of like slamming it reverse of a half mile a mile of a hill screaming what the fuck right now yeah we you know in some shit not cars right so far has it oh yeah I'm taking it on a big trip here in about a week yeah it's good man they're good cars I love you man love you too buddy thanks for talking yeah that's me and Ryan Singer again tonight Ryan Singer is at Doc's lab in San Francisco you can get his new CD the mortal for now wherever you get CDs a funny odd sensitive man that Ryan Singer is a thinker all right so go to WPF pod.com soon soon everything's gonna be different everything's gonna be different get some just coffee dot co-op get on the mailing list order some posters do what you want leave a message yeah email me you through there hold on