Episode 8: Gary Gulman

In the Season One Finale, Jeff talks to comedian Gary Gulman, an apex Reluctant Phoenix if there ever was one. In 2017, Gary was hospitalized with major depression, given ECT therapy and was unsure he'd ever do standup again. Now you can see his one-hour standup special "The Great Depresh" on HBO. In this episode, he talks to Jeff Simmermon about his mental health struggles, the transformative effect his special has had on his life and career, what it takes to stay healthy, how to support depressed loved ones and why relentless cynicism is complete bullshit.