Episode 81 – Kalic and Rafuse on U.S. Presidents in Wartime

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Dr. Jonathan Abel and Dr. Bill Nance are joined by Dr. Sean Kalic, Director of DMH, and Dr. Ethan Rafuse to talk about their project on U.S. presidents in wartime. They discuss the themes and trends that emerge from a study of the topic. They dissect the human dimension of the task before the presidents. They conclude with lessons for today’s warfighters. “History is only a confused heap of facts.” – Philip Dormer Stanhope, Earl of Chesterfield Host: Dr. Jonathan Abel, CGSC DMHDMH Podcast Team: Drs. Jonathan Abel, Mark Gerges, and Bill NanceArtwork: Daniel O. NealMusic: SSG Noah Taylor, West Point Band

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