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EPISODE · Jan 21, 2026 · 1H 4M

Epstein and ICE: The Cost of Looking Away

from Point Taken with Steve Scaffidi & Kristin Brey

Momentum matters — and this week on Point Taken, Steve Scaffidi and Kristin Brey ask where it goes when the spotlight moves on. They start with the Jeffrey Epstein files and why the push for full transparency and accountability seems to be fading in 2026, reacting to a heated exchange between Scott Jennings and Leigh McGowan on the seriousness of what’s still unresolved. The conversation then shifts to ICE protests in Minnesota, including troubling reports of off-duty police officers and civilians being racially profiled by federal agents — and what that means for trust, law enforcement, and civil liberties. Later, Steve and Kristin break down Wisconsin’s newly passed data center regulation bill as construction begins on a massive data center in Port Washington, followed by a reaction to actor Ben Affleck’s comments on Joe Rogan about artificial intelligence, creativity, and the real-world costs of powering AI. The show wraps with a wide-ranging Ask Us Anything, covering non-verbal communication between the hosts, personality tests, books, the NFL playoffs, late-night TV, religion, politics, and whether Point Taken could ever broadcast live from Washington, D.C. Smart, curious, and unafraid to sit with uncomfortable questions — even when the news cycle doesn’t.

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