Eric Dane

Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard. I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi.

You're in the middle of a giggle. I was laughing because I just opened our paper that like says who we're doing this intro for and the credits and stuff and you know gives us a refresher and it just says Eric Dane is an actor period. Yeah Rob really phoned in this description. It was Emma.

Oh it was Emma. Let's give her credit and let's see Madden. Now she didn't phoned in because I'll never say it. I'm just going to do it.

But Rob he of course is open season on Rob. Eric Dane is an actor. You already said it. But I think what will be really fun about this episode is he's a very good friend of mine.

Yes. Most importantly. We have a very funny beginning of our friendship. Yeah.

It was tumultuous. It really was. We had a very tumultuous start but we love each other so much in the nicest way. But of course you know Eric Dane as well from Grey's Anatomy as McSteamy.

And boy is he. He's still steamy. Oh also Easter egg. He was one of the two handsome guests that Monica was dealing with the height of her my heel.

Your peel. God that was embarrassing. And this was the one that we agreed I should have just brought it up. Yes.

Because I know him well enough. Yes. And I didn't. Did he ever bring it up?

Maybe if he's listening now he's finding out for the first time that you were wrestling with a I had a heel that day. She doesn't normally cover her chin that much when she's talking. And I normally don't have my face falling off. He's like I really like that Monica Gale.

She always covered her face when she spoke which is interesting. Okay. I have a question. If he had texted you and said hey what was going on with Monica's face would you ever tell me?

Knowing the way we've been talking about it and it's been out in the open. Probably not. I don't know how that would make you feel. That would be helpful to you at all.

But I can tell you honestly there was no such text. In fact I've never ever received a text that asked what was going on with her looks. I know we're past the me trying to commit you to look but no one has said that you're You said that people have texted that. They want to hook up with you.

Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not doing that anymore though. I know.

Yeah. So even when those texts come in you won't know about those either. Okay. Grey's Anatomy.

The last ship. Fucking Euphoria. This motherfucker is on Euphoria and he's acting his ass off on Euphoria. He's so good.

Yeah. He is in Bad Boys which is to my great relief. Not even relief. I was never doubting it.

But it's doing so good. And yes. And he's the fucking bad guy in Bad Boys. What could be better?

Ride or Die is the name of Bad Boys. And he also has a new movie coming out August 8th on Prime Video called One Fast Move. Motorcycles. Vroom vroom vroom.

You love them. All right. Love you. Everyone enjoy everything.

He's an old church. He's an old church. He's an old church. Hi pal.

I swear to God. I was about 14 seconds away from texting. Oh really? Oh.

Good to see you. I really like this. Thank you. I'm so good to see you.

You too. Have you been offering all the drinks and everything? I have this thing which is unreal. Cring top.

I don't know what that is. What kind of alien stuff? Very sexual title isn't it? Cring top.

Yeah. God bless him for naming it that. What are we driving? We're driving a matte black Beamer SUV.

I was going to bring the brand national. When did you get that? I got it last year. Original miles on it.

It was in exquisite condition. I put a great suspension in it. I basically made it like a daily driver. Big aluminum radiator.

Be cool radiator probably. Rebuilt the motor. Redid the exhaust. Oh boy.

Oh I must see this. Why didn't you drive that? I don't know. It feels very disrespectful to me.

I was like do Dax want to see this car? Of course. Jesus man. It's so beautiful.

I don't know if you know Chris Pine. But I didn't know him. In fact I had run into him twice. And I had this whole story that he didn't like me.

So then we interviewed him a few weeks ago. And he rolled up in a 69 911 green. And I was like oh this is going to cut through everything. And it did.

We just started looking out the window at this car. And then we kind of both started liking each other. And it was all based on him driving that car. Although if you would have drove that Grand National I don't know that we would have ever come in.

We might have gone for a ride. We might have gone for a ride. We might have also had to get out one of my stupid cars and gone for like a cruise. I can't believe it and drive it.

But I'm going to get past it. By the way we've known each other for 300 years. There will be a time when we both get in that car together. Are you still in the same house I last visited you?

Yeah. Is there a garage there? No. It's just out in the elements.

So you and I could go anywhere today. We could. Let's go. I almost feel like we're going to have a sex scene.

And we need to have a boundaries conversation. Is Monica the intimacy coordinator? I love that. I would love to do that.

Well I am ultimately because I edit the show. I think we should go places and if you want things cut out you tell me. You know you might be inclined to think like oh it's easier when I interview friends. But it's actually harder.

I don't know. You're awfully good at this. I told you this when you started. I'm like you're really good at this.

So I'm confident that today is going to go smooth on this little ride we go on. But when you're really good friends with somebody we know a lot of stuff about each other. Right. What do we discuss?

Yeah. And I don't really know what anyone's comfort level is in public. I'm going to have a downy on. It's like where are we going to go?

All the way? All the way. Also comfort levels change throughout time. One time I brought up that Dax had an orgy and pooped.

And he got so mad that I brought it up. Even though he brought it up somebody before. So it can be testy. Yeah.

It's scary out there. I don't think I have. I don't know if we need to revisit that. It might come up organically.

I don't know. It's certainly good on the day. So dude the last time I was here in your yard was a radio control car track. That's how long ago it was.

It was a dust bowl. What do you think? The progress. I think it's beautiful.

I love this house. Thank you. I love where you live. It's got so much style and character.

But you have a lot of style. I think what would be really amusing for people to hear is the birth of our relationship. Oh my God. These are my favorite kinds of relationships.

Do you share this? Let's go. We've discussed this and we've laughed about it. Do you want to start or should I?

Go ahead. I'd love to hear your perspective. Dax and I had like sort of a contentious beginning. Love it.

We were at a meeting at a friend's house. Somebody's living room. A nice house. An AA meeting.

Can we say that? Yeah. We're both over. We're both public about it.

It wasn't a business meeting. It wasn't a business meeting. We were in an AA meeting. But that actually helps the story.

So we're at an AA meeting in a very nice house in Bel Air. Very civil environment. And somebody I brought to the meeting with me was sharing and just did not stop. Was droning on.

And there's a timer and Dax's friend, his sponsee actually, who I didn't know. Can I already say you're being very generous about your telling already. Aw. Okay.

That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm impressed with it. Okay. So his sponsee was running the timer and he kept resetting the timer to like 15 seconds every time this guy would go over. And the timer went off like seven times.

He was letting him continue. And this may be our first disagreement on the history, but I think he was more setting like a good 30 to a minute. But regardless. But this guy was droning on.

And he did not pay attention to the timer to the point where I was even like, dude, that timer fell for you. You have the anxiety of having brought a new person to that meeting, which is kind of insular. And by the way, I brought a person who probably shouldn't have been at that meeting. But I'm stressed for you.

I'm already in the hole a little bit, right? I was not in the best state. Sure. Let's just say that.

I don't remember where you guys are. I may not even have been sober at the time. That's why you're there. And this poor kid buzzed the buzzer one more time.

It was a very expensive multi-weight candle burning in the middle. So I was going to set him ablaze with a candle. Got it. And Dax stands up and points at me and points outside.

And I'm like, okay, motherfucker, let's go. This has been brewing. Yeah. It's been brewing.

I don't know why we had this like thing. Do you remember? Yeah. You can provide that backstory.

I'll just continue on with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're outside. Oh boy.

And Dax is like, what the fuck was that about, man? And it's just as I'm about to open my mouth, our sponsor comes out and gets in between the middle of us. You have a shared sponsor. We have a shared sponsor.

He gets in between us. He's like, what the fuck is going on? He's about to fight in the driveway of our host's home. Right.

I don't go outside to talk. It was on. We were going to fight at the same meeting. And I got to be honest with you, Dax probably would have fought.

It would have been a drudging. Really? Yes. A drudging.

A drudging? Again, very generous of you to say. Can you fight? I mean, I can fight, but Dax is a unit.

He wants to fight. This guy looks for a fight. Is that help? Yes.

Oh, look, man. I have no notes. That was such a generous retelling of it. Pepper and some stuff.

Yeah. I'm going to turn the candle. I think I said outside, motherfucker. And we got outside.

And again, we're at someone's house who I love and want to respect me. For sure. His opinion on me is very important. And here I am doing that.

It was crazy. I just have to ask you. Were we about to fight? Oh, I was.

Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't know. I thought we were just going outside to have words.

Oh, you did. Oh, see. Well, look, dude, you're a big motherfucker. We were scrapped a little bit.

Yes, but I'm not going out to argue until you throw the first punch. It's on. I'm going out there. It's like, my best shot is to throw a meteor.

Oh, Jesus. Well, it's great. Despite that, over time, I start falling in love with you. It's the craziest.

And I can almost remember a couple of moments where it happened. You came in one time and you had a share that was so fucking humble and honest. And I relate so much to you. Come to find out as we become friends.

We have the exact same bag of bullshit. Right. Which is, of course, why I think there was tension from the get-go. But you had a couple of shares where afterwards I said to you, man, I really enjoyed that.

You acknowledged something I said in your share. And you actually proclaimed to the group. You said, you know, I hated you for so long, but I've come to really love you. And I think I might have returned the favor in the middle of the room.

Which must have been a relief for all the other people. I mean, how funny, we obviously showed up the following week and just rolled past that whole thing. I know. I'd be bad at putting in time on that.

You think that was 10 years ago? For sure. And then I just came to slowly, like you, like you, like you. And I think also when I went out, I think that was really big for me.

Because this is what you and I share. And I think it's a really unique opportunity for you and I to talk about this. Which is, we're dudes who had a lot of time and went out. Yeah, humbling experience.

I want to almost compare it to gambling addiction. It's been explained to me that these guys who get really deep in the hole, at the end of their addiction, they're not trying to win. They just have a fantasy. They just want to get back to zero.

And it's almost like having a lot of time and going out, it becomes this huge thing over you. Like, will I ever have that again? Trying to get back to that number? Yes.

You and I were never trying to get to that big number, which is how we got there. But then this paradigm shifts where now you're trying to get back to this number and hope that you can exceed it and then find some freedom again. And you're not going to experience the freedom until you get to that number. In my case, it was like, I have to wait nine years to experience that freedom again.

Or even, if I'm being dead honest, there was some self-esteem I got from having been someone at that meeting who had some amount of time. I'm sure that led to some of my judgment of you early on. To let go of that is really interesting and hard. Because you know what's interesting?

The first time we actually met, I'd given you a ride home. And I just got in a new car. And when you jumped in the car, you were like, ooh, that new car smell. And we started discussing cars.

And then you shared with me. Do you still journal every day? Yeah. Every day you were journaling.

And you shared all this stuff with me. And it was actually kind of a nice experience. And somewhere along the way, things got derailed. Do you remember I went and got your motorcycle for you?

The Ducati? Yeah, you had a Hypermotard. That's right. That needed to get picked up at Beverly Hills Ducati.

And I was like, yeah, I'll go do that. That might have been the beginning. Because I remember trying to get to your house. And I was like, when do you want the motorcycle?

You know, I don't know. You weren't in a hurry. I was not in any right state of mind. Yeah, and I just remember, I can be very honest.

I felt kind of insulted. Like, I somehow became this guy's errand boy. I have this motorcycle. Or taking advantage of it, which is you already do.

Big trigger, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Long story short, I adore you. I adore you, too. And I've had some of my kind of favorite moments in sobriety.

Calling you and then going over to your house and shooting the shit. And that's the crazy gift. How do I articulate this? Caring about someone and wanting someone to do well is a foreign feeling for me.

And I went from somehow seeing that you were an adversary that was going to attack me, that I needed to fight, to someone I deeply rooted for and wanted to win. Me, too. And I can't say that about everybody. To be honest with you, you were an anomaly.

I typically get along with everybody, but I don't root for everybody. Yeah, right, that's hard. You're somebody I really root for. In all your successes, I've genuinely gotten a warm feeling from it.

But in these trips to your house, weirdly, as much as I knew your sobriety story, I didn't know your life story. And I really remember leaving one time thinking, oh, man, my friend has had such a ride. And it's harder than mine in ways, even though I think mine was so hard. The other thing I think we share besides the sobriety journey is this masculinity journey.

And I think that's why we triggered each other, maybe. Correct my memory. Did you grow up in the same sort of dynamic that I did, where I didn't really have a father figure or somebody to model male behavior? A thousand percent.

So my dad left at three. And I had an older brother. That was helpful. But I was really looking around at the other boys and going, oh, what are they doing?

Oh, they're jumping bikes. You got to jump your bikes. Okay, I'll do it. Because there's no one telling you at home, like, you're on the path, and you're becoming a man, or you're doing the right stuff.

So I was just so desperately pursuing whatever the male thing was. And it's a plague. I always had fear surrounding connecting with other guys, boys, then young men, and then men. It was always something that was difficult for me to do, to establish that connection.

My father passed away when I was seven. I think it's because I never had anybody to show me how to interact with people of the same sex. When you're really searching and trying to claim your masculinity, because it wasn't passed on to you, I just think it sets up a kind of precarious situation. Precarious is a good word.

The specific part of your story that I heard that broke my heart and continues to break my heart for you is the notion that you were encouraged to be strong and brave. Let me bring Monica up to speed. So my mother woke me up. I was seven years old.

She woke me up at, like, five in the morning, hysterically crying. So already, I was terrified. When you see your parent out of control like that, you're like, oh, shit, something's wrong with the world. Exactly.

And she told me, I have to tell you something, but you have to be strong through the tears, hysterically crying. And she tripled down on that. And I finally promised her, you know, I'm going to be strong. And she said, your father's dead.

And it was April 1st, 1980. My uncle had come over to tell my mother, I think. And I saw him sitting at the dining room table. I did not want to cry in front of him.

I wanted to explode. But I held it all in. Like anger? Tears, anger, frustration, rage, you name it.

And I made some April Fool's joke. And I don't think I slept, but I went back into my room. And my father passed away from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Oh, boy.

Just to add extra trauma to it. Abandonment. But also my grandmother, who we lived with, who was a major maternal influence in my life, died of an aneurysm four months later. Seven was difficult, to say the least.

But I also think it set the tone for the next however many years I've been around. I'm still dealing with it to some degree. Yeah, well, loss is inevitable. It can happen at any moment.

Will happen at any moment. That's what it teaches you when you're a kid. It teaches you, oh, don't really trust anything. Everything can go away in a second.

Exactly. Nothing's stable. Yeah. And now she's always going to drop.

You just don't know when, but it's happening. Was he a big, handsome dude like you? He was handsome in his own way, I think. He was more of an artistic bohemian?

Yeah, he was an architect. So smart, but really creative. Yeah. The notion that you had to compartmentalize.

You couldn't be a kid. No, because everybody around me was telling me you're the man of the house now. Well, and you've got to protect mom now. That really resonates of being hyper aware.

I've got to act a certain way for mom. She's now my gal. I'm now responsible. But I don't have any idea.

I can barely get myself ready for school. But I'm now in charge of this person's emotions. But I just remember hearing that in your living room and literally wanting to hug you and apologize that I would have ever been a force again in your life that's threatening you. We actually may have had that moment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just incredibly sad and touching. What happens to you in school? Do you start acting out any weird way?

I start trying really hard to be friends with people. And as an alcoholic, somebody who deals with alcoholism, I was a chameleon. I was whatever I thought you wanted me to be. I overcompensated in a lot of ways.

Oh, man, I love you. You're such a sweet boy under all those muscles. I mean, Kettle Black. Same situation.

Do you have brothers and sisters? I have a younger brother, Sean. He was two, so it didn't really affect him. But I'm not so sure.

I don't believe in Big T, Little T. What's Big T, Little T? Like Big T, Little T. I think people aren't all that unique, and we all experience sort of the similar feelings at different levels of intensity, but the same feeling.

Surround the circumstances Yeah but when you're feeling Like a chameleon I guess did you have any sense of Because now this is a character defect Like this is how I've come to admit That I am culpable In a lot of this Which is like I had a sense of justice And I felt like What was happening to me Was unjust at times And I felt entitled To a lot of stuff I did too I felt like the world Took something from me And I was owed Yeah It really loosened up my morals Mine too So your ride through school You moved to high schools midway I did This was actually good for me Because I was a really great Water polo player And that's all I wanted to do The school I went to The team absolutely sucked We moved districts I didn't need to change schools But I wanted to Because they had a better Water polo team I went to a more competitive program And it wasn't necessarily the best But I was still pretty fucking good And now you guys were competitive And you won matches Yeah Did you have fantasies Of going and playing in college I did I didn't have the grades though It's so interesting Because you're so fucking smart What was happening academically Academically I just couldn't focus and settle down And I didn't have great study habits I always tested well But that only carried you so far And when did you start Experimenting with stuff Junior year It was marijuana at lunchtime Wow you chose to try it At school for the first time Oh yeah So my water polo season ended early Which doesn't imply That we made it very far Prematurely Not deep into the post season And I had to fill A fifth period elective So I took drama Because I knew the gal Who was in charge of attendance And I could just leave school At lunch every day Oh beautiful Great plan I got into smoking marijuana I didn't really like it But the people I was hanging with Really enjoyed it So I did what they did Well it's a turnkey group of friends Oh yeah I think they've underestimated That part of it Yeah I just jumped into a team That had already been together For a long time Us drug addicts will take anybody As long as you want to party Right Yeah yeah You must have seen American movie That great documentary No what is it About Mark Borchardt He's making horror movies In Milwaukee You know he's like 20 year old doc He's the greatest Oh yeah I think I did And Mike Shank was his buddy He was sober But he was addicted to scratch off Yeah He's explaining why He became friends with Mark Borchardt Mike Shank is he goes I used to really like to drink vodka And I always wanted to drink a lot of vodka And no one really wanted to Then I met Mark He was like a wild dog He always wanted to drink vodka And that's it That's the foundation And I totally relate to it Whatever you're doing If we're doing that We're buddies You and I hung out I used to check in With my girlfriend Breed outdater On my whereabouts You should hear these descriptions Of who I was in a hotel room I couldn't even really describe Some of these people I had a moment of clarity I went to this guy's house Well I mean are we being totally honest I went to the dealer's house To pick up whatever it was I was picking up He's sitting there And I'm in this house It looks like The fucking Sanford and Sons No their garage It's not even their living room And I'm sitting there And I'm waiting for him To like put together This whatever it is I'm getting Care package Care package And there's stuff on this table And he points to this stuff And he's like Hey you want to try this And I stop and I go Wow I made the big times I have arrived I'm in this absolute salvage yard And this guy's offering me A substance off something I don't know what it is I'm about to do it Yeah yeah Because fuck it It's preferable To how I feel Were you already successful At that time That complicates it too Somebody could see me Walk in and out of here But also it's just like I have some great friends And I've managed to surround myself With people who are very smart And successful And really great people And I'm sitting there going like What am I doing here Watching yourself from above yourself Yeah That's me like walking Into random crack houses in Detroit Look at this guy go He seems to not be afraid at all But I'm terrified up here Oh my god Okay so weed wasn't my first thing But I was late in it Because I was an alcoholic And I was not ever going to drink So I did not try it Until much later than I think All my friends did But in 11th grade I decided I'm going to drink And I remember getting Three beers out of my fridge And I really did that moment And I was like Oh fuck yes This is exactly what I've been looking for How do I stay this way For the rest of my life That's the function of addiction right there So how old were you When you got sober the first time You must have been 26 26 That's young Monica that was part of my rationale For picking up I was like I got sober when I was young Maybe I'm not at home Yeah Who were we just interviewing That had been sober Since they were a kid Bobby Lee You've done a really long stretch From like 16 years old Till 30 I'm more impressed by those dudes Than anyone else I say dudes I mean women as well But I go to all men's meetings Just to clarify Well look at our friend Who broke up our scuffle Impossible 18 19 years old And never looked back Yeah it's impressive Because the voice in my head is like Well you were much different back then You were scared a lot And you had a lot of discomfort And all these reasons why I'm now magically a different human being It's going to be different this time You seem like a gentleman I'm in a different station in life We're not going to get off the rails with this And then all of a sudden You're Sanford That's the goal And not the water polo Oh I pivoted real quick Because water polo was over It was You weren't going to go to college I wasn't going to go to college And play water polo It's shocking to me I think you're very very small Well thanks College is probably something I would do well in right now Yeah At 51 Maybe it's time Well our friend Eric You know Eric Eric goes to UCLA extension class He takes like microbiology Oh my gosh That's amazing That's cool By the way Eric's another guy This is what I'm saying My favorite people are people I started out not liking I hated Eric Did you really? Yes we talk about him all the time Oh my god He's like one of your best friends Because I moved up here Two years after I graduated high school So I had a manager That managed a couple people In San Francisco That would hold these Intensive workshops And bring casting directors From LA Legit people To come help run these workshops And eventually She moved me to Los Angeles The manager did Yeah little known fact Alicia Silverstone and I Went to high school together We did We moved down to LA together No She was a freshman I was a senior And we lived in the same house With this manager Who was actually really great At 19 I couldn't appreciate it All I wanted to do was party But looking back She had different sort of Acting classes for us Throughout the weekend It was very structured And as a playground For a burgeoning young actor It was absolutely perfect And it just took off her I was her like minder On a Pizza Hut commercial You were I was I was sent to be the adult In the room Which is why If anybody would ever trust me To be the adult in the room By the way I would have never known this about you But I have such great envy now Some of the roles you picked up In the early years Which is you were on Saved by the Bell This would have been a dream That was my first job I liked the show a ton I would have been so excited To be on it I wasn't that familiar with the show But I remember It was kind of a weird experience on that I learned something very valuable On that set We did some take And I think I was getting hit By a volleyball And falling out of frame And I didn't like the way That I had done it And I yelled Cut, cut And this director I swear to God He had an ascot on He holds me aside He's like Listen, I'm the only one That's allowed to say Cut on the stick Eric, I did the exact same thing I was on punt And there was no action or cut It just went on for 40 minutes And then I get down to New Zealand Without a paddle And I mess up a line And I go, cut Same thing I'm like It's my way of going I fucked this up Yeah, me too And same thing Steve Rowe was like Listen, brother That's not for you Yeah Well, my guy wasn't as nice He was a little bit more racist than Steve Well, if you had to spend another three months with you Maybe he would have Who was in the scene? Was Zach Morrison the scene? No, it was Mia Remini Oh, was this at the beach club?

Yeah, I was at the evil volleyball player Oh, black shorts and all I'll go back Legs look great, I bet No, terrible legs Wow My wife described me as I look like a man riding a chicken Oh, my God Have you seen that meme Of that pug standing up And it's like Old guys wearing skinny jeans It's so funny Big abdomen Big abdomen Real tiny legs What's your temperament during that period Before things really hit? Are you optimistic? Are you a pessimist? What are you thinking?

I'm insecure Doubtful that it's going to happen for you Well, that's the one thing I always thought I was going to will Into some sort of reality I always knew that at some point Just outlast everybody The war of attrition Yeah, yeah And I'm going to get somewhere You also did Married with Children and Roseanne When you went to Married with Children Now, here's where I'm really arrogant Cocky and too optimistic I'd have been like Wait until Kelly Bundy meets me Dude, I thought we were going to settle down Pick a fence Super high episodic fee Because the episode of Married with Children I did Was supposed to be a spin-off To be a new series Oh, my goodness Yeah, it was called Radio Free True Mean And it was about a college radio station And it was me and this other kid And Keri Russell No! Yes! Do I love her? Yeah, she was great even then I don't know how you were that age And just every set I went to I'd have fallen in love with someone there I still do Yeah, yeah It's a really romantic setting I have a question Did you feel guilty about leaving your mom?

I didn't She's a pretty good self-contained unit She was always good at taking care of herself I was excited I adore my mom And we have a great relationship You do Number one gal Additionally, I was thrilled Literally what it felt like Is I was about to be single for the first time I wouldn't be worried at all about her Or her feelings Were you on your own when you moved here? Yeah So that's the difference I actually went from one mother to another mother Not the manager The manager Oh, the manager We all lived in the same house Oh, wow I had a soft landing But again, I was thrilled about mine I was like, I'm only going to think about me now The training wheels are off And by the way, she didn't ask me to be that way I just was that way It's not her fault My mother was also very stable at this point And married and happy So I didn't need to be worrying about her But I did And so I really liked being out here And being like, it's all about what I want to do And all I got to think about is me And I love thinking about me I don't know if I felt that way initially I think eventually I adopted the love for thinking about me That's something I grew into That's one of my favorite subjects What would make me happy Enough about me, let's talk about me Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert There Okay, so I'm going to consult my timeline Charmed is the first time you're a series regular Interestingly enough So I was dating Alyssa Congratulations I mentioned, did you also grow up watching Who's the Boss? I did I was so in love with her I had a massive crush on Alyssa when I was like 14 And by the time I was 28 and we were dating I wasn't a child anymore And she was a person And a lovely, wonderful person if I can add We dated for a little bit And she was obviously doing the show Charmed And she asked me if I wanted to be on it And I think I ended up doing like 10 episodes of that Oh, just him? Well, we broke up My time on Charmed was Was it the first time that you had some economic stability?

I had done a show for ABC called Gideon's Crossing with Andre Brouwer before And we had gone a season Oh, okay And then Fox had given me a development deal So I was already kind of economically, for a 28-year-old, pretty comfortable Right I wasn't wealthy, but I was paying the bills as an actor, which was nice Is there a moment you decided to get sober? Was it your first attempt? It was my first attempt that stuck I went to a treatment center in Pasadena I didn't have two nickels to rub together when I was 26 And I went to get sober And I had some friends who had gone through this place And they had put me on like a state bed It was like a behavioral modification center So it was pretty hardcore I was in there with a lot of felons, drug-deferred And I got along so well with everybody I did, I was like, these are my people I was there for like 88 days Oh, that's a good stretch It was a good stretch And I got out, and it was a soft landing again My best friend had gotten sober three months before me So we all moved into a house together and went to meetings So that kind of makes sense Because you got sober and then things take off in a kind of substantial way A year sober, I think that week, I had gotten that TV show Wow The promises only took seven days for you Yeah, things happened pretty quickly after that I mean, things really took off when I did that episode of Crazy Anatomy Oh, man So what's really funny is I'm reading about that I guess I didn't realize you had guest starred on the 18th episode of the second season And that the response from the audience was so awesome That they made you a regular for the third season Yeah Now, that towel scene I know it inside out I've never watched that show That's how ubiquitous and iconic That thing was that I've never watched the show And if I were a great painter, I could paint the exact image of you in the towel Yeah, that was something I just put the towel on And they had some skin come out I put the towel on, you know, many times This would be the one I was just telling Rob this That season two of Grey's Anatomy Because you were a Grey's Huge That was perfect timing for me I was in college and loved it That show was fun to work on That's a very unique experience for you to have had Because you've been at it for a while You come out of a shower You put a towel on And now you have a nickname Yep And the whole country knows it Yeah, it was wild, man What did that do to you mentally? It was wild But also, I had been sober for three or four years already So I had my wits about me And I sort of knew what reality was And what reality wasn't And I was able to differentiate between the two And I was able to sort of conceptualize what that was Keep it in its place Enjoy it Dip in every now and again And come back I think the net-net is I didn't really handle it very well Because if you take the whole eight years on Grey's Anatomy I was fucked up longer than I was sober And that's when things started going sideways for me Because you relapsed in the middle of that?

Oh, yeah But do you think that was part of why? I think it may have been It was overwhelming And I think I just wanted to pretend that it wasn't And that I was comfortable with it Act like you've been there But you haven't been there In fact, very few humans in the history of mankind have been there You haven't been there And it's very hard to sort of digest And you're just trying to start acting the part You're like, oh, now I'm making some money And now I'll drive this car Now I'll live here You go to like Rome And you get up on stage And there's 5,000 people screaming And you're like, oh, yeah, this is comfortable Naturally, this would be happening And being known for being so hot That's all weird So that was weird for me Because I never saw myself as that It was a real source of self-doubt You felt fraudulent in that role? Yeah, I felt fraudulent Wow Again, back to Chris Pine This guy had all this judgment on I saw him in Star Trek I'm like, of course this motherfucker's the lead of Star Trek I'll never be the lead of Star Trek Look how gorgeous this guy is He tells us he had cystic acne And was a recluse And he's like, what? I'm a sex symbol?

And you're like, oh, right That's never the experience that you're fantasizing about My exterior did not match my interior God, it's so hard to believe Even though I didn't even see the show I saw you in that towel Yeah, I was like, look at this motherfucker Of course they're calling him McSteamy The guy who's a babe I saw me in that towel, too But also the character was this hot plastic surgeon I stitched myself up And, you know, they really laid it on me Was he arrogant? Well, I guess so Because Monica has had to admit to herself She has a certain attraction to guys on screen That are arrogant She was watching a Bradley Cooper performance And she's like, God, this guy's a dick I want to fuck him so bad I did say that And it's hard to reconcile when you think you're a feminist But, yeah, it's tricky But you're also like, are you? McSteamy was fixing babies Dr. Mark Sloan Thank you, Dr.

Mark Sloan Oh, what a name? Yeah, babies that have been in car accidents Saving lives Yeah, I was doing a lot of corrective plastic surgery That kind of counts No vanity problems Yeah, no, no, no Fixing kids The hot times Of course you're walking down the street like, I'm not that That kind of bums me out Because I haven't met you yet I'm looking at this guy in this towel I'm like, what a party this guy's having Every girl in America knows he's got a great chassis And they've already whipped up a thing Like, what a gift Kind of breaks my heart When we're experiencing that internally It's so funny you're describing that And I'm over here, I burped You know, it's like It couldn't be more The opposite And by the way, I already kind of have clues From when I did finally meet you You talk about Duncy with such love in your heart It's very clear that you like him When you think he's a rad dude Yes How do you get on with people When you're stepping into this show Where these people already have this Long-standing work relationship And he's the alpha of the program Can you little brother it? How did you fold into that? You kind of little brother it Because I'm a lot younger than he is And they're calling you McSteamy Right out the gates Well, he was McDreamy I'd rather be Steamy than Dreamy I know, but Patrick knew it was his show He's very confident I don't think he ever felt threatened by me It was apples and oranges Did you love Can't Buy Me Love as much as I did as a kid?

I loved that movie Just a young coming-of-age teenage rom-com He betrays his best friends to be cool So hard heartbreaking i think i've done a little of that at times what was his name great question arnold is it arnold they would say ronald miller ronald miller ronnie miller i couldn't believe ronald miller was with her and remember seth green's little brother and the dude farts out the window at the party and settering spine at maximum oh my god what they're being friends with was that i rewatched it was like oh my god you were in my favorite movie that's right how did you end up leaving it would be so hard for me to give up security i didn't leave so much as i think i was let go at that point you were struggling i was struggling they didn't let me go because of that although it definitely didn't help i was starting to become as most of these actors who have spent a significant time on a show you start to become very expensive for the network yep and the network knows that the show is going to do what it's going to do irrespective of who they keep on it as long as they have their great they're fine i wasn't the same guy they hired so i understood when i was let go and shonda was really great she protected us fiercely she protected us publicly she protected us privately we interviewed her and i thought she was radical she's radical i love shonda rimes and she protected me but i was probably fired in time all right it wasn't ceremoniously like you're fired right it's just like you're not coming back you're not coming back was there an inciting incident for the relapse because here's where i think you and i are similar which is it can almost be dangerous for us to shore up some safety and security because like when you have that and that racket in your brain stops i gotta have a job i gotta know what i'm doing next year and i gotta be financially situated when those things are cleared up i start thinking maybe there's room for a little dance for a little play well i had also gotten sober when i was really young and i think it was just post that writer's strike and as a result we had a short season i think we did 18 episodes instead of 24 so i had a lot of time on my hands in the off season i remember turning to rebecca and saying i'm gonna smoke a joint and you know if the wheels ever come off this thing i'll just go back to a i love a exactly it's a great place i don't even know why i'm gonna leave it and i smoked that joint and in the nine years i had been sober weed had changed i had gotten so stoned i could only answer any question with yes or no whatever the question was it was yes or no because that's all i could muster so then after that i was like weed not for me but maybe wine instead of going like okay dude you're a drug addict and an alcoholic and you need to be sober i was like maybe i just did the wrong thing yeah i've never tried to drink not to get drunk but to enjoy the taste of this and i did for a little bit you and i also have one more thing we're similar in our addiction i think from my assessment of you i have friends where if they go out they're going to be in the hospital in a few days sure so there's this misleading level of control it's an achilles absolutely i can make it look good for a while and it always catches up with me but for a while i can make it look like i'm fine yeah i'm kind of control freak and i can make it work it's not a lie to myself as much as a reality i choose not to even question is like well how will i feel when i'm pulling it off in quotes well i feel good and i will not feel good i feel morally bankrupt eventually but in the beginning i feel good it works for a little bit i don't want to say i wish i had the other version because i don't want any other version but i do think if i paid a little harsher consequences probably the ride would have been different i'm going to agree with you on that but i'm also going to push back gently regardless of the consequences i think the feelings are probably very similar some people just need to go further down the ladder to experience those feelings that's a good point but you know we all know people we've gotten sober with people where it's like they smoke that joint and then they're on skid row shooting dope in 72 hours for sure they're in a hotel downtown smoking crack yes that's just not how it happens not how i do it either which you're right is misleading it is it is but you're also probably not playing off as hell as you think you are right there are people who see me and they're keeping their mouth shut or they're not but they see i don't disagree with you all right had to say it you know what's funny is i've seen this over the years 20 years in aaa people become friends they'll actually go like i wish we partied together i have so much gratitude that you and i have never partied together i know i want you to see me in a way that i would break my heart that i have been that way i agree in that hour 60 or something where you're a monster you're a ghoul you're just combining things that aren't supposed to be combined i'd be like where can i go with this okay this is so much fun after graze you do last shit for five seasons and you're the straight-up star of that show i'm going to immediately parallel with euphoria because i'm curious what is your preference to be on graze as not the lead person or the lead of something or in euphoria you're supporting do you have a preference i don't feel differently in any role yeah by that i just feel like i'm me you go seeing the scene the scene yeah it's the role if i'm the lead i don't feel like i'm the lead you don't feel any pressure no and if i'm number 12 on the call sheet i don't feel that way either that's great okay so euphoria now this is my first time really watching you act i was so happy i couldn't explain to you i've known you for years god you're the only one happy watching that show eric is fucking insanely gifted he's great at this no right too but i just felt so proud of how great you are wow thanks that's a wild wild character wild character in between the last ship and euphoria i had taken a year off to kind of course correct and write the ship personally and professionally and i met with my representatives and i said okay ultimately i'm the one who makes the decisions but i think we've been going about this all wrong i never felt like the guy in the towel and i never felt like the captain of the ship i felt like i was this character actor stuck in this leading man's body and i wanted to do something that i felt could challenge me and provide me maybe with some growth as a result of the challenge and my agent said he represents zendaya too and he said i'm negotiating this deal for zendaya for the show euphoria you want to meet with sam lebson what a great role for me to pivot off of what i've been sky's the limit once you do a role like that i've gotten some pretty great opportunities as a result yeah i think about this all the time i'm friends with donofrio and i think of the gift he received by coming out in full metal jacket it's like for the rest of time we all know that motherfucker can do shit for sure no one's ever going to be fearful to throw something his way but he's not going to deliver and it's permanent yeah he created something that was absolutely memorable and timeless and will transcend it's so different from who he is that's settled now donofrio is a bad motherfucker and for me euphoria for you is like oh yeah we can throw anything at this dude thank you brother did you have any vanity in being that fucked up and twisted i don't think you can i had to let go of any idea of looking good with that role is it hard it's hard after the fact when you're doing it you're like this is great you're performing you're acting you're lost in the role in the circumstances and i think after the fact you're like oh i did that but i love that character and i never judge that character i don't think i could play that character if i pass judgment on him he may not be everybody else's favorite but he's certainly mine yeah had hunter been in things before i don't think so no i think that was her first i know she's so good unreal oh this was a curiosity when your agent goes hey i'm negotiating this thing with zendaya at that time she's coming off of disney she'd done a couple things like greatest showman okay but the shows are like fucking swing for the fences and beyond and i wonder are you the type that looks at a project and assesses what you think the outcome will be what i'm guessing is that it was pretty high risk at a moment it was high risk the givens were the writing was tremendous the story was great the scope of the vision was massive it's the most beautifully shot show ever on television and articulated sam had a very clear idea of what he wanted were you a fan of barry levinson movies as a kid love barry levinson movies the natural is one of my favorite movies of all time oh absolutely fuck me keep working that movie how do i become this guy right oh okay so when that comes out and it ends up being what it is now i don't know biggest show on tv it's the second biggest show hbo has ever had and they had game of thrones i think we get 20 million plus that is so bonkers how does this success differ or how is it similar to the gray's success so gray's i was out front a little bit more this the younger cast are the ones that get all the exposure and i'm okay with that i enjoy my position on that show yeah come do great work and then not be in the gossip for sure okay let's get to this might be the thing i'm most jealous but i didn't know about the grand national i love bad boys in a way you're not gonna find a guy who likes bad boys more than me and i also just love michael bay directing fucking love it probably watched bad boys 10 times before i did chips like why is the action so good what are the tricks what's happening in these car chases why is the shit so good mike he puts together action probably better than anybody agreed there's all the spectacle but he has an intuitive pacing where he pauses things and he lets you regroup and you add some comedy here and there he's got a fingerprint of action that's so goddamn intoxicated he directed the first two and the third one and this one are directed by two guys named a deal in the law bay's in the movie he's acting he's acting he was in the third one too i think he officiates the wedding or something but these guys deal in the law are also very adept did they come from the michael bay world they didn't come from the michael bay world but deal in the law directed a movie that i watched before i met with them called black they're from brussels oh wonderful they direct action as adeptly as mike does and they get story really well and they understand the tone and they understand the comedic breaks and the space in between that they know how to fill it and it's very connected it all tracks and it's a jerry brockheimer film i'll still dare you to be in that movie very stoked you must be very stoked i mean we watched bad boys again it's like you're gonna be on saved by the bill or dating elissa milano yeah i mean you really don't know what to laugh and you're the bad guy yes i'm the antagonist in this piece because we grew up on a very it was invented by there's a version of action comedy maybe starting with lethal weapon and then into die hard it created a whole genre of action we could probably go before that and say beverly hills cop or freaking with uh you're right i got no way to stand up with this argument no i'm just saying yeah yeah french connection but not a lot of comedy yeah pretty serious the bad guys in those movies when we were growing up think about busey and fucking lethal weapon he's almost as memorable as mel gibson yes so terrifying and then fucking rickman in die hard alan rickman in die hard is a memorable master class yeah bad guy master class of bad guy but this was a fun bad guy will to his credit fundamentally understood that the worse i was and the stronger my role was the better it made him look in the end when he kills me yeah yeah yeah and he didn't have an ego about it so he kept augmenting this role making it better and better yes oh man joy were you around a bunch i was is he as dreamy as i've imagined he is he's an extraordinarily affable approachable open guy who is an absolute professional i mean you look at him and you're like that's it works hard he made this all happen no one knocked on his door he makes it better how few people can go from fresh prince to bad boys he's super talented we're just now informing people they didn't know yeah i wasn't as a talented guy and we had to do some stunt training where we were rolling around together so i got familiar with will before we actually got on set he's a big gentleman too right he is a unit i had to move him around a little bit it's not easy yeah strong gentleman very strong super successful academy award i'm so pumped that you're in that and then yesterday i watched one fast move they did not give me a screener for bad boys so i've only watched the trailer so i can't speak with any authority on that but the trailer was spectacular and i can't wait to see it's fun so one fast move you're back to playing a shithead a little bit shithead this is a movie about you knocked a woman up 20 plus years ago you don't want anything to do with the outcome of that and this young guy who's kind of a little lost in life in a bit of an outlaw comes home and ostensibly he's gonna go say hi to his dad and you race motorcycles i can't believe i get hired for this it was so much fun yeah so he wants you to teach him to race obviously he wants you to just be in his life but this is this weird bridge where you guys can spend time together in a way that's not too scary for you as the it's like a father-son story right in the world of super bikes we race motorcycles and we heal and it's classic yeah you were at a track non-stop for this movie oh yeah i did some of the writing we were at the atlanta motor speedway and we were at another track about an hour outside of town now as the listener will remember i once went and got a motorcycle for you the hyper motor you did but then you said goodbye to riding when i had kids i sold my motorcycles so responsible well i was also influenced by my wife maybe it's time to get rid of the motorcycles i didn't push back at all i was like okay that was adult of you i'm sure i'm going to track day next weekend have you seen tion's bikes yeah motorcycle oh my god those are so cool they're gorgeous he's often at the track days i go to he's so serious about it that's his life he loves motorcycles famously bought the whole stunt crew on matrix harleys super generous guy totally being back around the bikes did it in clearing oh i wanted to buy one i wanted to go home with one of course i was riding this r6 that was like just juice to the gills and it was so much fun when they were like hey you know we got to get you from start to 100 yards down the track i'm like 600 yards down the track and not stopping and this bike is like at 110 miles an hour it's the last drug left for me that's still no hangover are you on a bike constantly do you just ride at tracks though i ride around town and then i try to do track days as often as i can the appeal of it to me is being present 100 but you didn't come home with a bike i didn't come home with kj came home with a bike okay that's your co-star yeah he bought a ducati a ducati a ducati a ducati sweet kid very sweet kid is it true to be like this job makes you confront your age kind of regularly i've been getting roles for a while now as like the father i'm getting to an age where as clooney said people no longer want to see me kiss the girl well that's not true yeah you're right i'm not there yet he's not there yet i don't know they'll ever be there paul newman's at the very end you're like lay one on her oh my god dude did you see that doc by chance which one the joanne woodward paul newman doc that is incredible it's like six parts or something and it made me rebuy into the fantasy paul newman yeah my favorite i met paul newman once where i went to this opening of this show he'd done for hbo called empire falls it was one of the last projects he had done and i went to this thing at the metropolitan museum of art and the party was going to be in the egyptian room after i was stoked to go to this thing because all i wanted to do is meet paul newman my hero and towards the end of the movie i knew he was already in the egyptian room nobody was in there yet so i left and i went in the egyptian room i had all these great things i wanted to say to paul newman yeah and he was speaking to either chris albrecht or colin calender whoever was running hbo at the time and i went up to them i mustered the courage i waited for a break in the conversation and i said excuse me mr newman and then he started the conversation again with the other guy so i said okay maybe he didn't hear me so i waited for another break in the conversation and now people are starting to file into the room oh no you're losing your opportunity dude i waited for another break in the conversation and i said excuse me mr newman and he started the conversation up with the other guy and then a waiter came over and said another sierra nevada mr and he said okay oh yeah and i was like this motherfucker's ignoring me so i finally all the wind was out of my sails i get in between them and i say excuse me mr he looked at me and he said yes and i said i just wanted to say hi okay so it gets better i'm walking away i'm scratching my head like what the fuck just happened and rebecca was talking to robert goulay who was on stage at the time doing nine rebecca says honey this is bob goulay and i said yeah i know who you are i'm still scratching my head like what the fuck just happened and he says what's the movement and he ignored me for 10 minutes brobert goulay says ha he ignored me for 30 years that was great do you have one that went spectacularly though no you don't meet your heroes that one didn't go south though that just wasn't like i had planned it it's a good story it's almost better than if he was nice really i have been around bill murray twice oh yeah and have known better i'm like it's probably never gonna happen but if we're ever gonna talk i want it to be because somehow he has some interest in me it's the only way i'm willing to do it because i just can't if it's that which it would be uh mr murray um bill yeah can i call you bill yeah he's the dude i've been around twice like there he is but we're not gonna get anywhere there are a couple guys like that it's escaping me now but there was somebody who i had seen who i just was like so intimidated i didn't want to go over and say hi yeah all you're doing is saying hi there's no commonality there you're just going over to give them offerings it would be as if you were at a restaurant and a person three tables over just came over and said hi you know what's happening well i think you're not famous if you just think about planet in the real world where you're at dinner and someone from three tables over just comes over and goes hi you're like this is a con artist they want something from me and that's just people's reactions well no famous people know what's happening when random people come up whether you're also in the business or not they know what's happening yeah but it is a conversation with a stranger and there was nothing that you There's not even a meet queue. It's not like you spilled something, right? It's not like you ordered the same dish. You're like, how's the chicken parm?

Yeah, or I'm thinking about getting it. So you're on Euphoria. That's going to go, obviously, until people want to not do it. I don't know what's going to happen with that show.

Now, I know season three has been pushed to 2025. Oh, here's a question I have about the show. When I'm watching it, it's a lot. It's a little unsettling at times.

And what's weird, too, is I think people who are not addicts would assume that it interests you when it looks good. But weirdly, it interests me always when it looks bad. Well, it always interests me. Yeah, that too.

Good, bad, indifferent. The one I think of is leaving Las Vegas. For people, that's like a horrific story. And I'm like, the idea of going and finally declaring I'm going to drink myself to this is appealing.

But alcohol wasn't my thing. Yeah, it didn't get you there. It wasn't enough. Nah, I think it was.

No, no, I just, it never appealed to me. It's a lot when you're not like watching that show. And I do wonder sometimes, to be in the show, to be in the world, is it dicey at all? No.

Probably feels even more alluring watching it than being inside of it. The allure for me is like, oh, I know what that feels like. Oh, that feels good. I don't want to do that anymore.

It's got a beginning, a middle, an end. And I never saw this show as a love letter to drugs and alcohol. I always saw it as like a cautionary tale. The comp for it, I think, is less than zero.

Like, when we were younger, we saw less than zero. And Downey goes, apeshit, and he's a drug addict. I watched that movie, and I loved it. And I knew it was heightened and crazy.

And I think some people think the young people watching this aren't also in on it. This isn't looking appealing in, like, normal life to them. I agree. I think parents feel like if their teenager's going to watch it, it's going to influence them one way or the other.

Right. That wasn't really my experience watching our version of it, which was less than zero. Some of it's scary. A lot of that has to do with the actress' portrayal of it, so real.

Oh, this last season when she's got the itch. Everything she does is so true. Just taking everyone down with her. Yeah.

That was awful. That was hard to watch. This was a tough year for that show to get it back on the air and also outside of the show a couple of things. Well, that very heartbreaking.

I mean, I just loved that character. Angus. Angus. He was a sweet, kind, gentle soul.

I truly loved Angus. Yeah, it was really heartbreaking. That was a tough one. Yeah.

What a beautiful performance. He hadn't acted in either, right? No. It's really impressive.

Sometimes when you don't know any better, It's a gift. You're not trying to do anything. You're just saying the words and you understand the circumstances and you hit all the notes. Okay, so Euphoria is 2025.

Bad Boys comes up June 7th. One Pass Move comes out August. What do you want to do? I think it's interesting to have done this now for me 20 plus years.

You want to work at home? I'm doing a show called Countdown for Amazon that shoots here. You're already shooting that? I started shooting in September.

Oh, good. So you'll be allowed to do a show in between whatever happens. And I'm just happy to be home. I want to be near my kids.

I'm not like, you know, put me out to pasture. But like Pitt said, he's like, I'm no longer like night shoots. I just want to be at home. But you're doing such spectacular work that I can imagine being still very hungry for it.

I am hungry for it. And I think without knowing specifically what I want to do when those opportunities present themselves, there's that attraction to the material that would make you want to invest. That's case by case. You're great in One Pass Move.

Let me also say that. You're fucking spectacular. You have some hard scenes and you're playing a shithead who's a drunk and a womanizer. Yeah.

Yeah, on vanity role again. With those roles, you kind of just have to lean into it. If I were to play a role like that and wonder how it was going to look or be perceived by the audience, then I don't think I could achieve the tone or the notes that I needed to hit to make those performances track. And at the same time, you want people to like the guy.

Of course. You want people to like empathize with the guy. You got to love the character. You can't judge the character and you just got to go for it.

Yeah. Well, Eric, this has been a really fun life experience for me to meet you, to have that beginning and to come to adore you. When we'll have a long talk at your house, I leave and I'm like, I've learned something about myself. I feel that often when we talk.

It's funny because the beginning was rocky. I think you nailed it in the beginning. I think it's because we have so much in common. I love you.

I love you. I'm so glad you came and did this. Thank you. And thanks for being so open.

Yeah, of course. I need to get back to your kitchen. It's been a little too long. Sunday night at 6.

Oh, baby, really? Oh, that's awesome. I know you're probably family time Sunday. Generally family time, but also sometimes I can wiggle away.

And then, of course, I got to see this Grand National and we got to go cruising. Let's go for a ride. Everybody go see Bad Boys. I'm sure they will.

June 7th, I will be there. I will go see it live in a theater. It's the only way Bad Boys should ever be seen. Agreed.

And then everyone check out One Fast Move. You are, once again, great. I love you. Thanks for coming.

Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong. We have a couple updates. On behalf of the Arm Cherries, they have corrected me. I'm not Year of the Rabbit.

This is very disappointing. I've always thought I was Year of the Rabbit. My mom was Year of the Rabbit. I found out you were Year of the Rabbit.

Rabbits are great. They snuggle. They live in a hutch. I identified as a rabbit.

Yeah, you kind of look like a big rabbit. My mom calls us her rabbits. Well, it turns out that the Chinese calendar starts in February. And so I did not make Year of the Rabbit.

But now I found out I'm Year of the Tiger. And a tiger eats rabbits. No! You can't help these guys eat.

No, he doesn't have to eat rabbits. He can't eat grass. No, they can't. They must eat meat.

They can't live on grass. Don't justify eating rabbits and me. By the way, you can't even eat me. I'm so fast.

I'll scurry out of your cake. You'll run left and right. You can't get me. So yeah, you're the tiger.

That's a horrible revelation. It is. Although, you like tigers. And then I also found out there was a dragon.

And I want to be that. Now that you pulled on the string just a little bit and everything unraveled. Yep, that's right. There's more stuff.

I did a lot of screen grabbing recently. And whenever I do that, I'm wondering if I'm ever going to be able to locate them all, you know, as I go through. But let's see what I did. Oh, this was just a really funny comment that deserves a shout out.

Regarding being on your period around bears, did Monica Padman check to make sure that the administrator for bears.org isn't a bear? Oh my God. Because a bear would definitely say they keep on your period. The bears kind of lure?

Yeah. It's a great question. It's a great question and a great thought. And you should be suspicious of bears.

I did not look into that. I've seen them ride a unicycle. If they can do that, they can definitely administer. Administrate?

Administrate. A website? They use Squarespace. Beautiful templates.

Very easy. Okay. Here's another one. What do we got?

Oh, and I almost had a screen grab because I would imagine this is the last thing you want me to do. Can we get a rundown on your workout split and food plan and a fact check, please? Some of us bros on Reddit are looking for funsies. All the caveats about what works for individuals apply.

Look at that. Look on your face. I wish we had a photo. You're almost throwing up.

Are you finding that some vomit? I feel like I've already said that. I just wonder how long it's going to take us all. I bet I can do a 30 second rendition.

I eat my, I try to eat my weight in grams of protein. Yeah. No, I don't. I eat 200 grams of protein.

You have to because now I'm putting myself in their shoes. They're asking for what it is exactly. I'd be annoyed. Well, it's the good culture cottage cheese.

I've already said that's got like 56 grams. I eat two cans of the chicken breast from Costco in the can. That's all. That's 40, 50.

You put anything in the cottage cheese? I eat it plain. I eat it with olive oil in it and pepper. Okay.

And then I will also have a protein shake after. In the morning, I have an oatmeal protein powder in it. Okay. And workout is six days a week lifting and generally hike twice a week as well.

One six-mile hike, one three-mile hike. Okay. That's it. What kind of lifting though?

Always legs. Legs have to be a part of every single workout. Always two like exercises. Okay.

Reps of 10. I will squat 140, 12 times times four sets. I will deadlift about 240, 10 times four sets with 10 shoulder shrugs at the end. Okay.

And then I will bench press two 70-pound dumbbells, four sets of 15, and then I will do pull-ups. I'm very in a pull-ups now that my gym is set up. I need gym. I can do pull-ups again.

Oh, nice. I'll try to do four sets of 12. I'm trying to add to that though. I do want to do four sets of 20.

Whoa. And then I never miss my buys. You know, I'm crazy about my biceps. What do you do for them?