EPISODE · Jul 3, 2026 · 1H 11M
Escaping the Vortex of Fear
from Dreamland · host And,If Studio
This week on Dreamland, Whitley welcomes Ronnie Pontiac, writer, scholar of esoteric traditions, and longtime student of the hidden spiritual currents that have shaped human history. Ronnie’s new book, The Unobstructed Way, reopens the astonishing story of Stuart Edward White and Betty Grant White, whose early 20th-century communications with “the invisibles” offered a profound vision of consciousness, immortality, and the afterlife as realities present here and now. Ronnie takes us into the forgotten world of the Betty Books, the Ouija board incident of 1919, the development of Betty’s mediumship, and the idea that awakening is not a heroic struggle but a release from the obstructions created by fear, habit, and the mind itself. He also shares deeply personal stories of his years with Manly P. Hall and of his wife Tamara, whose love, wisdom, and continued presence after death have transformed his understanding of survival and spiritual contact. Together, Whitley and Ronnie explore the “vortex” of fear that traps human life, and the unobstructed consciousness that may be our true home. Get Ronnie and Tamra's book today. Click here. Click here to join Unknowncountry.com's great site and access our tremendous archive of shows! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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