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EPISODE · Aug 17, 2026 · 1H 16M

Everything You Know About Narcissism Comes From a Five-Second Google Search

from Men’s Therapy Podcast · host Marc Azoulay

Narcissism might be the most overused word on the internet, and one of the least understood. On this Men's Therapy Podcast roundtable, host Marc Azoulay brings together four voices who each see the topic from a different angle: Dr. Mark Ettensohn (clinical psychologist, host of Heal NPD), Dr. David Hawkins (Marriage Recovery Center, author and clinician), Sarah, known online as Cluster B Milkshake (a self-diagnosed narcissist who built a following documenting her own recovery), and therapist Darren F. Magee.The panel opens by separating pathological narcissism from garden-variety grandiosity, then digs into why the clinical literature and the DSM's narrow definition often talk past each other. Dr. Hawkins pushes back on the idea that most "narcissistic" men in his practice actually meet criteria for NPD at all, distinguishing narcissism from emotional abuse and immaturity. Sarah offers a rare inside view of what grandiosity and collapse actually feel like day to day, including how it shaped her parenting and relationships. The conversation moves through the empathy myth (having it doesn't make you good, lacking it doesn't make you evil), the near-universal presence of developmental trauma in diagnosed cases, and closes with a genuinely hopeful case for why recovery and treatment are possible.Connect with PanelDr. Mark Ettensohn: Website: https://www.healnpd.org/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHeT5kujD1JqHRAi-x8xD-w Dr. David Hawkins: Website: https://drdavidbhawkins.com/ Marriage Recovery Centre: http://marriagerecoverycenter.com Sarah / Cluster B Milkshake:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/cLuStErBMiLkShAkE Darren F. Magee: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/DarrenFMagee Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/darrenfmagee/ Resources MentionedIndividual Therapy:https://menstherapy.online/?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Service&utm_campaign=Individual_TherapyMen’s group:https://menstherapy.online/mens-groups/?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Service&utm_campaign=Mens_GroupsMTO Slack:https://menstherapy.online/slack/?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Slack_CTA&utm_campaign=MTO_SlackWebsite:https://menstherapy.online/

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