EPISODE · Apr 16, 2026 · 58 MIN
Ex Machina
from The Next Reel Film Podcast · host TruStory FM
“What will happen to me if I fail your test?”What kind of mind gets built when the creator cares more about proving something than about what they've made? Join us—Pete Wright and Andy Nelson—as we continue the Thinking Machines series with a conversation about Ex Machina, Alex Garland's 2014 directorial debut. Domhnall Gleeson plays a programmer brought to a remote glass-walled compound to evaluate Ava, an AI created by his volatile CEO Nathan—Oscar Isaac in full god-complex mode—with Alicia Vikander delivering a performance that refuses to let you decide whether she's feeling anything or performing everything.We dig into the film's central argument—that consciousness and morality can be built separately, and that the gap between them is where things go wrong. We spend real time on Kyoko (Sonoya Mizuno), the character most viewers underestimate and who both of us now read as the true instigator of the film's crisis. And we wrestle honestly with the film's male gaze paradox: a critique that deploys the very visual language it's critiquing, implicating the audience in the same trap as the characters.We have a great time talking about it, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel—when the movie ends, our conversation begins!🎬 Watch & Discover🎥 Full Conversation on YouTube🍿 Apple TV | Amazon | Letterboxd📽️ TrailerIf You Liked This Conversation:The Next Reel: 28 Days Later (more Alex Garland)The Film Board: Civil War (more Alex Garland)Movies We Like: Costume Designer Alana Morshead on Never Let Me Go (more Alex Garland)The Thinking Machines seriesSupport The Next Reel Family of Film Shows:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Shows:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next ReelSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Audible
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“What will happen to me if I fail your test?”What kind of mind gets built when the creator cares more about proving something than about what they've made? Join us—Pete Wright and Andy Nelson—as we continue the Thinking Machines series with a conversation about Ex Machina, Alex Garland's 2014 directorial debut. Domhnall Gleeson plays a programmer brought to a remote glass-walled compound to evaluate Ava, an AI created by his volatile CEO Nathan—Oscar Isaac in full god-complex mode—with Alicia Vikander delivering a performance that refuses to let you decide whether she's feeling anything or performing everything.We dig into the film's central argument—that consciousness and morality can be built separately, and that the gap between them is where things go wrong. We spend real time on Kyoko (Sonoya Mizuno), the character most viewers underestimate and who both of us now read as the true instigator of the film's crisis. And we wrestle honestly with the film's male gaze paradox: a critique that deploys the very visual language it's critiquing, implicating the audience in the same trap as the characters.We have a great time talking about it, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel—when the movie ends, our conversation begins!🎬 Watch & Discover🎥 Full Conversation on YouTube🍿 Apple TV | Amazon | Letterboxd📽️ TrailerIf You Liked This Conversation:The Next Reel: 28 Days Later (more Alex Garland)The Film Board: Civil War (more Alex Garland)Movies We Like: Costume Designer Alana Morshead on Never Let Me Go (more Alex Garland)The Thinking Machines seriesSupport The Next Reel Family of Film Shows:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Shows:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next ReelSitting in the...
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