Expect the Unexpected with Pramol Dhawan

Stability, calm, and order are giving way to fragmentation, volatility, and surprise. In his most recent PIMCO Perspectives, co‑authored with Marc Seidner, Pramol Dhawan says that this shift makes 2026 a year when investors should “expect the unexpected.” He joins host Greg Hall to explore how this new world order is reshaping markets — from the opportunities volatility can unlock in global fixed income to the evolving rebalancing between stocks and bonds. They even get into why the world is tilting toward mercantilism, though thankfully, not in a way that forces you to dust off your economics textbooks. Show notes: (0:00) Intro (2:30) How politics are shaping economics (9:55) What the return of the stock-bond correlations means for investors (14:33) The case for active management in global markets (18:03) Risk and opportunities in what’s ahead (26:28) Why emerging markets now? (31:35) What “unexpected” really means in “expect the unexpected” If you enjoyed the episode, explore more of our resources below: PIMCO Perspectives: Expect the Unexpected Related episodes: Dan Ivascyn: Beyond the Base Case in 2026 Don’t Ignore Your Core: Process and Progress with PIMCO CIO Mohit Mittal Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures